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#1536574 --- 12/09/19 06:18 PM Fisa abuse
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17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application

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#1536575 --- 12/09/19 06:24 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
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#1536576 --- 12/09/19 06:29 PM Fisa Errors [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application

No abuse, just sloppy. Has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the warrant. FBI didn't need probable cause to believe he was an agent of a foreign power, a standard that is NOT, by any means, hard to meet. They were only required to have" a fair probability" and wouldn't even have needed 'Steele' for the warrant.

Final DOJ report will conclude as much.
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#1536577 --- 12/09/19 06:56 PM Re: Fisa Errors [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application

No abuse, just sloppy. Has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the warrant. FBI didn't need probable cause to believe he was an agent of a foreign power, a standard that is NOT, by any means, hard to meet. They were only required to have" a fair probability" and wouldn't even have needed 'Steele' for the warrant.

Final DOJ report will conclude as much.


See, told ya so: whistle

DOJ Watchdog: FBI Justified In Opening Trump Probe, But Problems With FISA Apps:


There’s no documentary evidence that the FBI’s decision to open an investigation into the Trump campaign’s connections to Russia in 2016 was influenced by political bias, according to a Justice Department inspector general report...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doj-ig-re...4b00563b854e971



So, you and William Barr can go soak your collective heads.

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#1536612 --- 12/11/19 11:27 AM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: Timbo]
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False information was used to get it

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#1536623 --- 12/11/19 01:59 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/bill-barr-lying-inspector-general-horowitz-report.html

Bill Barr Has Started Lying About the Long-Awaited Inspector General Report


It’s becoming hard to find new ways to describe the depths to which Attorney General William Barr will sink to warp truth and the work of his own Justice Department to advance President Donald Trump’s interests.

Barr distorted the findings of the Mueller probe before he would release it, gave a press conference defending Trump’s actions upon releasing Mueller’s damning actual findings, used his DOJ to block the release of evidence and testimony related to Trump’s wrongdoing with no legitimate justification, and refused to comply with congressional subpoenas in contempt of Congress.

This week, Barr outright lied about the monthslong investigation that produced a 434-page report into the opening of the FBI’s probe of links between Trump’s 2016 campaign and the Russian government.
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#1536624 --- 12/11/19 02:08 PM FISA Errors [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
False information was used to get it

Utterly irrelevant. The precise SAME information would have been able to be obtained regardless of the errors. No mal-intent was found nor suggested, other than by disgruntled Republicans who didn't like the facts getting out in the first place. The intent was wholly justified, patently legal and the findings were upheld.

It was an issue of sloppiness, nothing more, and all of your disingenuous protestations and conspiratorial assertions changes nothing.

Got it?
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#1536630 --- 12/11/19 06:39 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application



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the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to meet the basic obligation to ensure that the Carter Page FISA applications were 'scrupulously accurate

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#1536639 --- 12/11/19 07:23 PM FISA Errors [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application

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the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to meet the basic obligation to ensure that the Carter Page FISA applications were 'scrupulously accurate

Yup, that's the usual result of making sloppy errors.

Still makes no difference as to the final report conclusions. "No Political Bias."
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#1536661 --- 12/12/19 01:10 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application


But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent.

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#1536664 --- 12/12/19 04:09 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
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Lets declare trump very incompetent seeing that evidence against him is all so overwhelming. Since he declared his candidacy, his reputation has proceeded him like a open story book while you Trumpites respond like a nudist walking down 5th Ave.,wondering why you attract attention but sadder yet, your lies and denial belies the behavior of the entire party.......VERY INCOMPETENT
Continue to debate technicality, trump is guilty as sin but we're not telling you anything you don't already know....you just have a credibility problem which is your and his comprehensive struggle.

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#1536667 --- 12/12/19 04:56 PM FISA Errors [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Lets declare trump very incompetent seeing that evidence against him is all so overwhelming. Since he declared his candidacy, his reputation has proceeded him like a open story book while you Trumpites respond like a nudist walking down 5th Ave.,wondering why you attract attention but sadder yet, your lies and denial belies the behavior of the entire party.......VERY INCOMPETENT
Continue to debate technicality, trump is guilty as sin but we're not telling you anything you don't already know....you just have a credibility problem which is your and his comprehensive struggle.

Yup... Distract, Distort, Deny and Disseminate. The GOP's Modern Method of Operation (MO).
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#1536668 --- 12/12/19 05:18 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application

But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent.

Awww, what's the matter? Republicans can't control the level of BS within the narrative of their own party's hand-picked operative(s), so now you have to resort to using the classic "hey, look over there" ploy? The GOP's party disloyalty under Trump is mind-numbingly astounding.

The department of the FBI had dozens upon dozens of Trump supporting agents/workers intricately involved at all levels of the process in question, who posted glowing support of the CIC on the pages of the agency's own message boards (the FBI allows their people to discuss political personal opinions on almost any subject) yet, incredibly, not ONE of them raised a single concern over the agency's handling of the investigations, possible incongruity, impropriety or the report's final findings. Funny how selectively your outrage runs. crazy

Suck it up and stick to the central issues, Buttercup.
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#1536669 --- 12/12/19 05:31 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application

But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent.

Yeah, and ALL hacking that was committed by Russia on the same day and within five hours of Trump asking them to do just that, was detrimental to one party as well. Do you actually have a salient (and non-hypocritical) point to make, here? crazy crazy crazy
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#1536676 --- 12/12/19 06:35 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application


But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent.


Time for FBI director Christopher Wray to clean out the few rogue agents



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#1536677 --- 12/12/19 06:39 PM FISA Errors [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: bluezone
17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application

But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent.

Time for FBI director Christopher Wray to clean out the few rogue agents

Do you have any actual evidence of these so-called 'rogue agents' of whom you speak of? crazy

No?

If so, please do. And let's apply your same "standard" to all the constitutionally rogue Senators and Presidents, while we're at it.
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#1536678 --- 12/12/19 06:43 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Time for FBI director Christopher Wray to clean out the few rogue agents


There is speculation that Trump would like to fire Wray based on his recent comments but would Trump dare fire a second FBI director? One that he hired? Of course he had fired many many people in all types of jobs. He has to be the world's worst boss.
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#1536716 --- 12/13/19 07:46 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: Ben444]
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FBI Director Christopher Wray ordered more than 40 changes in how the bureau seeks secret surveillance warrants and handles other matters after a Justice Department report uncovered flaws in monitoring a former Trump campaign adviser
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#1536756 --- 12/15/19 01:32 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
FBI Director Christopher Wray ordered more than 40 changes in how the bureau seeks secret surveillance warrants and handles other matters after a Justice Department report uncovered flaws in monitoring a former Trump campaign adviser


You do know there is another FISA report do out...the Cruz FISA.
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#1536757 --- 12/15/19 01:58 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: ThomasDecker]
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https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre...total-hypocrite


LOL, this man is like the weather in the North East, he changes his mind every 3 months.

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