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#1536574 --- 12/09/19 06:18 PM Fisa abuse
bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 35875 Loc: USA	17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application
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#1536575 --- 12/09/19 06:24 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
Formermac Gold Member Registered: 10/22/12 Posts: 18920 Loc: Above ground	https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...sed/1499906001/
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#1536576 --- 12/09/19 06:29 PM Fisa Errors [Re: bluezone]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application No abuse, just sloppy. Has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the warrant. FBI didn't need probable cause to believe he was an agent of a foreign power, a standard that is NOT, by any means, hard to meet. They were only required to have" a fair probability" and wouldn't even have needed 'Steele' for the warrant. Final DOJ report will conclude as much. _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536577 --- 12/09/19 06:56 PM Re: Fisa Errors [Re: Timbo]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: Timbo Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application No abuse, just sloppy. Has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the warrant. FBI didn't need probable cause to believe he was an agent of a foreign power, a standard that is NOT, by any means, hard to meet. They were only required to have" a fair probability" and wouldn't even have needed 'Steele' for the warrant. Final DOJ report will conclude as much. See, told ya so: DOJ Watchdog: FBI Justified In Opening Trump Probe, But Problems With FISA Apps: There’s no documentary evidence that the FBI’s decision to open an investigation into the Trump campaign’s connections to Russia in 2016 was influenced by political bias, according to a Justice Department inspector general report... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doj-ig-re...4b00563b854e971 So, you and William Barr can go soak your collective heads. _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536612 --- 12/11/19 11:27 AM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: Timbo]
bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 35875 Loc: USA	False information was used to get it
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#1536623 --- 12/11/19 01:59 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
Ben444 Gold Member Registered: 09/12/18 Posts: 18716 Loc: Seneca County	https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/bill-barr-lying-inspector-general-horowitz-report.html Bill Barr Has Started Lying About the Long-Awaited Inspector General Report It’s becoming hard to find new ways to describe the depths to which Attorney General William Barr will sink to warp truth and the work of his own Justice Department to advance President Donald Trump’s interests. Barr distorted the findings of the Mueller probe before he would release it, gave a press conference defending Trump’s actions upon releasing Mueller’s damning actual findings, used his DOJ to block the release of evidence and testimony related to Trump’s wrongdoing with no legitimate justification, and refused to comply with congressional subpoenas in contempt of Congress. This week, Barr outright lied about the monthslong investigation that produced a 434-page report into the opening of the FBI’s probe of links between Trump’s 2016 campaign and the Russian government. _________________________ Trump == 30,573 lies in 4 years, Only president impeached twice!
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#1536624 --- 12/11/19 02:08 PM FISA Errors [Re: bluezone]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: bluezone False information was used to get it Utterly irrelevant. The precise SAME information would have been able to be obtained regardless of the errors. No mal-intent was found nor suggested, other than by disgruntled Republicans who didn't like the facts getting out in the first place. The intent was wholly justified, patently legal and the findings were upheld. It was an issue of sloppiness, nothing more, and all of your disingenuous protestations and conspiratorial assertions changes nothing. Got it? _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536630 --- 12/11/19 06:39 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 35875 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application Quote: the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to meet the basic obligation to ensure that the Carter Page FISA applications were 'scrupulously accurate
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#1536639 --- 12/11/19 07:23 PM FISA Errors [Re: bluezone]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: bluezone Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application Quote: the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to meet the basic obligation to ensure that the Carter Page FISA applications were 'scrupulously accurate Yup, that's the usual result of making sloppy errors. Still makes no difference as to the final report conclusions. "No Political Bias." _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536661 --- 12/12/19 01:10 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
cwjga Silver Member Registered: 11/06/08 Posts: 12660 Loc: NY	Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent.
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#1536664 --- 12/12/19 04:09 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
Formermac Gold Member Registered: 10/22/12 Posts: 18920 Loc: Above ground	Lets declare trump very incompetent seeing that evidence against him is all so overwhelming. Since he declared his candidacy, his reputation has proceeded him like a open story book while you Trumpites respond like a nudist walking down 5th Ave.,wondering why you attract attention but sadder yet, your lies and denial belies the behavior of the entire party.......VERY INCOMPETENT Continue to debate technicality, trump is guilty as sin but we're not telling you anything you don't already know....you just have a credibility problem which is your and his comprehensive struggle.
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#1536667 --- 12/12/19 04:56 PM FISA Errors [Re: Formermac]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: Formermac Lets declare trump very incompetent seeing that evidence against him is all so overwhelming. Since he declared his candidacy, his reputation has proceeded him like a open story book while you Trumpites respond like a nudist walking down 5th Ave.,wondering why you attract attention but sadder yet, your lies and denial belies the behavior of the entire party.......VERY INCOMPETENT Continue to debate technicality, trump is guilty as sin but we're not telling you anything you don't already know....you just have a credibility problem which is your and his comprehensive struggle. Yup... Distract, Distort, Deny and Disseminate. The GOP's Modern Method of Operation (MO). _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536668 --- 12/12/19 05:18 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: cwjga Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent. Awww, what's the matter? Republicans can't control the level of BS within the narrative of their own party's hand-picked operative(s), so now you have to resort to using the classic "hey, look over there" ploy? The GOP's party disloyalty under Trump is mind-numbingly astounding. The department of the FBI had dozens upon dozens of Trump supporting agents/workers intricately involved at all levels of the process in question, who posted glowing support of the CIC on the pages of the agency's own message boards (the FBI allows their people to discuss political personal opinions on almost any subject) yet, incredibly, not ONE of them raised a single concern over the agency's handling of the investigations, possible incongruity, impropriety or the report's final findings. Funny how selectively your outrage runs. Suck it up and stick to the central issues, Buttercup. _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536669 --- 12/12/19 05:31 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: cwjga Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent. Yeah, and ALL hacking that was committed by Russia on the same day and within five hours of Trump asking them to do just that, was detrimental to one party as well. Do you actually have a salient (and non-hypocritical) point to make, here? _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536676 --- 12/12/19 06:35 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: cwjga]
bluezone Diamond Member Registered: 12/19/04 Posts: 35875 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: cwjga Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent. Time for FBI director Christopher Wray to clean out the few rogue agents
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#1536677 --- 12/12/19 06:39 PM FISA Errors [Re: bluezone]
Timbo Silver Member Registered: 07/18/12 Posts: 14706 Loc: CNY	Originally Posted By: bluezone Originally Posted By: cwjga Originally Posted By: bluezone 17 significant errors in the Carter Page fisa application But no political bias. So 17 errors made that were all detrimental to one candidate. So if no bias then the FBI must be extremely incompetent. Time for FBI director Christopher Wray to clean out the few rogue agents Do you have any actual evidence of these so-called 'rogue agents' of whom you speak of? No? If so, please do. And let's apply your same "standard" to all the constitutionally rogue Senators and Presidents, while we're at it. _________________________ Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536678 --- 12/12/19 06:43 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: bluezone]
Ben444 Gold Member Registered: 09/12/18 Posts: 18716 Loc: Seneca County	Originally Posted By: bluezone Time for FBI director Christopher Wray to clean out the few rogue agents There is speculation that Trump would like to fire Wray based on his recent comments but would Trump dare fire a second FBI director? One that he hired? Of course he had fired many many people in all types of jobs. He has to be the world's worst boss. _________________________ Trump == 30,573 lies in 4 years, Only president impeached twice!
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#1536716 --- 12/13/19 07:46 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: Ben444]
Ben444 Gold Member Registered: 09/12/18 Posts: 18716 Loc: Seneca County	FBI Director Christopher Wray ordered more than 40 changes in how the bureau seeks secret surveillance warrants and handles other matters after a Justice Department report uncovered flaws in monitoring a former Trump campaign adviser _________________________ Trump == 30,573 lies in 4 years, Only president impeached twice!
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#1536756 --- 12/15/19 01:32 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: Ben444]
ThomasDecker Senior Member Registered: 08/17/16 Posts: 8990 Loc: GreatAwakening	Originally Posted By: Ben444 FBI Director Christopher Wray ordered more than 40 changes in how the bureau seeks secret surveillance warrants and handles other matters after a Justice Department report uncovered flaws in monitoring a former Trump campaign adviser You do know there is another FISA report do out...the Cruz FISA. _________________________ Luke 8:17 James 1:12
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#1536757 --- 12/15/19 01:58 PM Re: Fisa abuse [Re: ThomasDecker]
Formermac Gold Member Registered: 10/22/12 Posts: 18920 Loc: Above ground	https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre...total-hypocrite LOL, this man is like the weather in the North East, he changes his mind every 3 months.
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