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#1536382 --- 12/01/19 07:32 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/world-l...ne-msnbc-panel/

World leaders will avoid Trump at NATO meeting because they have seen the ‘damage he has done’: MSNBC panel
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#1536384 --- 12/02/19 02:36 AM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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The House Intelligence Committee is expected to vote Tuesday evening to formally approve its report recommending that Trump be removed from office over allegations that he abused the power of his presidency to pressure a foreign leader to investigate his political rivals. The allegation is expected to form the core of any impeachment articles ultimately considered by the House.

Democrats are also wrestling with whether to add additional articles, and are strongly considering including an “obstruction of Congress” charge, citing Trump’s widespread efforts to stonewall congressional investigations, including the impeachment probe. They are also considering whether to fold in any of the evidence collected by special counsel Robert Mueller about Trump’s efforts to obstruct his probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
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#1536385 --- 12/02/19 04:31 AM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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Award winning journalist Kurt Eichenwald gave a lot of Twitter readers anxiety and insomnia when he posted a 17-part Twitter thread yesterday afternoon - 11/2/19 - about why it wouldn't be difficult for Trump to use executive power to effectively make himself dictator for life.

1. For those who don’t understand the fragility of American democracy in the hands of an unscrupulous autocrat - a scenario never imagined possible by the Founders under our Constituion - the cancellation of elections is quite simple and arguably legal. Which is why...

2...I fear for 2020. It all comes down to presidential emergency powers. They are poorly defined in the Constituion and under law. They are enormous and Trump clearly has been told that - remember how trump keeps saying he can do *anything* under the Constituion. Back when....

3...there was Japanese internment, Justice Robert Jackson wrote of this power in his dissent that it “lies about like a loaded weapon, ready for the hand of any authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need.” We have already seen Trump do this without...

4...consequence to override congress to pay for his wall. Nothing can stop him because he said “emergency” and there is nothing to stop him.

So, it’s October 25, 2020. Polls show that trump is going to lose in a landslide. He announces a national emergency - we have evidence...

5...”that millions of illegal aliens are conspiring to vote and undermine our democracy. Therefore, I am declaring a national emergency, suspending elections until this corruption is weeded out.” And that’s it. People can sue, but his powers are broad enough and his corrupt...

6...judiciary would have to knock it down. And even if it did, there is nothing in the Constituion that says he has to abide by the ruling. Just the courts own interpretations. He can argue that Marbury v Madison does not apply in emergencies, and who can stop him? Ok, now...

7....suppose the people take up arms or Does anything but acquiesce. Trump can declare this an insurrection amd suspenx habeas corpus, meaning they can lock up anyone they want. Lincoln did this and while it stretches the Constituion - the section on habeas corpus appears under..

8...article one, but never says who has the power to suspend and Trump can simply say, as Lincoln did, I have that power. He also has the authority to shut down the internet or all communications. While technically the electors are supposed to cast ballots, they can’t without...

9...an election victor. And without an electoral vote, The president cannot be removed.

This is all legal. And does ANYONE believe, given he know this, that Trump won’t CONSIDER doing it? A man who publicly stated in 2016 that he might not accept the outcome of the election...

10...who, with the approval of the GOP, declared his opponents as traitors, demanded the imprisonments of political adversaries, declared the press to be the enemy of the people, has spoken longingly of never leaving office, who is besties with every autocrat and hates every...

11...democracy. Yes, as Justice Jackson said, the president - in this case trump - has a loaded gun and we have to simply trust that he won’t use it or that the republicans will join democrats to stop him. And I do not believe for one second that...

12...they will say whatever rationale for the “emergency” that trump cooks up is bogus. Just like they talked about evil hordes who didn’t exist coming into the United States, they have been saying those same hordes are voting. And they’ll say it when Trump suspends elections...

13...so FOR GODS SAKE stop the nonsense of raging over whether there is a public option or Medicare for all as a primary voting issue, or whether someone is a “corporate democrat” or a “socialist”. None of that matters this time. We are IN this position because idiots...

14...did not recognize what was at stake in 2016, played silly games about “both sides are equally bad.” This is the same game that was played in the German federal elections in 1932, where people voting for the “can’t win” candidate gave enormous power to Hitler...

15...just three years later, hitler declared a national emergency, dissolved the legislature and called for new elections. And soon after that, the “protest candidate and his supporters were locked up.

Can’t happen here? I never thought it could. Then again, I never thought...

16...that any political party would ever support an imperial executive and usurpation of power by a president declaring he is above the law.

The GOP has shown that, if they can make an argument, no matter how irrational or false, they will justify anything....

17...the bottom line: bad stuff could be coming. It is not outside the realm of possibility. It would not even be illegal or unconstitutional. And it will end the great American experiment in democracy. But rich people will do very very well.
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#1536388 --- 12/02/19 09:01 AM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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The military would promptly escort him from the oval office [Mara Lago].
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#1536389 --- 12/02/19 09:31 AM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Timbo]
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The military would promptly escort him from the oval office [Mara Lago].
Is this after he announces cancellation of the election? Are you sure? I have seen polls that 50% of the military are Trump supporters.
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#1536391 --- 12/02/19 03:00 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/giulian...mp-to-dump-him/

Giuliani melts down after Fox host calls him a ‘toxic chump’ and urges Trump to dump him
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#1536392 --- 12/02/19 03:23 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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Wow.

Bill Christeson @BillChristeson

Was in NYC with a TEAM TRUMP sign for the Lev Parnas hearing. Then I ended up ten feet behind him waiting to clear the metal detector to get into court. I told him, “If you tell the truth, you can be a hero. America could use a hero right now.” He & his lawyer nodded approval.
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#1536393 --- 12/02/19 07:35 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019...o-his-will.html

America’s Descent Into Legal Nihilism


The president would like to be president forever. And he’s bending the law to his will to do so.
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#1536394 --- 12/03/19 01:50 AM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/trumps-...-nyt-columnist/

Trump’s disregard for reality could result in his refusal to leave office after losing in 2020: NYT columnist


President Donald Trump may refuse to leave office if he loses the 2020 election, a New York Times contributing op-ed writer explained on CNN on Monday.

Anchor Don Lemon interviewed Wajahat Ali, and played a clip of Fox News personality Tucker Carlson siding with Russia against America.

“Russia attacked our elections and Russia is attacking our ally Ukraine, over 13,000 Ukrainians have died, but Tucker Carlson and the Republican Party have made this Faustian bargain they will burn everything down for Trump,” Ali explained.

Ali suggested Ronald Reagan would join the Democratic Party if he were still alive.

“But to answer your question Don, why they’re doing this, it is very deliberate, they’re not stupid,” Ali said. “The point is to exhaust us. To exhaust us with disinformation and leave Americans confused. Authoritarianism 101: attack the truth.”

Ali then wondered what would happen if Trump lost re-election in 2020.

“If the election is close, he’ll say it was invalid, everyone was against me,” he said. “Maybe or maybe not I’ll leave, the Republican base come with me, I’m your leader.”

“That’s what people aren’t preparing for, what happens if he doesn’t leave and how much will the Republicans burn down for Trump,” he said.
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#1536396 --- 12/03/19 04:16 AM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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Disgusting!

Orin Kerr @OrinKerr ........... Some are saying that Duncan Hunter, who will be pleading guilty to criminal charges tomorrow, was the first Congressman to endorse Trump. Not so. The first was Chris Collins, who pled guilty to his criminal charges two months ago. Hunter was second.
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#1536398 --- 12/03/19 11:48 AM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/world-l...ne-msnbc-panel/

World leaders will avoid Trump at NATO meeting because they have seen the ‘damage he has done’: MSNBC panel



Watching his retorts to reporters and journalists, it's becoming more and more apparent that mental instability is taking it's toll on Trump. What's more astounding is the fact the the GOP choose to publicly acknowledge this fact. Next November, public sentiment will have each Republican answer for their misdeeds by supporting the lies and criminal behavior.
As a college student, I became intrigued by the biography of Howard Hughes and now find it eerie in how his and Trump's lives parallel one another. A rich mentally unstable individual stands out as evidence of wealth superseding common sense and intelligence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

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#1536399 --- 12/03/19 02:51 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Formermac]
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Replying to @TeaPainUSA and @DevinNunes

That Nunes would have the gall to sit in those hearings knowing full well he is one of the dirty, rotten, stinking, perps aiding and abetting our criminal president is ... well it’s really not at all surprising is it.
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#1536400 --- 12/03/19 03:03 PM Re: Trump [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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“pathetic.”



Schiff presented nothing today

Must be he likes his 'camera time'
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#1536405 --- 12/03/19 03:22 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

The military would promptly escort him from the oval office [Mara Lago].
Is this after he announces cancellation of the election? Are you sure? I have seen polls that 50% of the military are Trump supporters.

Service member's political learnings are utterly irrelevant. The Generals and Admiralty have absolutely no tolerance whatsoever of individual political opinion. It's utterly antithetical to the chain of command and military service as a whole. Command operates (with very few exceptions) completely insulated from external political forces. The US military, while acting at the leisure of the president, is sworn to uphold The US Constitution above all else. In fact, all military personnel have a DUTY to refuse any unconstitutional order REGARDLESS of how high up the order comes. You just have to be damned sure that you can make your case.

1) If Trump were to contest the results of a close election and those results indicated that he lost the election, The House of Representatives would then get to decide the electoral college based upon each state’s delegation. The (Democratically held) House has tremendous leeway in this situation.

2) After that, if the President still rejects the outcome, the president legally sacrifices his presidential legitimacy.

3) Military leadership, by and large, DESPISES Trump.

4) Trump's pathological need to massage his own ego and pad his wealth is in diametric opposition to the entire structure of military discipline, American patriotism and our national security. Make no mistake, if Trump were to attempt a dictatorial coup, the US military leadership, along with congress and (to a lesser degree) the courts, would step in until legitimate and lawful executive government were again properly codified through civilian procedure and law.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/01/trump-us-military-richard-spencer-edward-gallagher
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/penta...new-poll-shows/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/opinion/trump-war-crimes-pardons-gallagher.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/generals-donald-trump-military-criticism
https://theweek.com/articles/880697/trump-degrading-military

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#1536408 --- 12/03/19 03:51 PM Re: Trump [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
“pathetic.”


Schiff presented nothing today

Must be he likes his 'camera time'
Nothing new? LOL What about all those new call records that are going to show the Trump organization is corrupt to the core.
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#1536409 --- 12/03/19 03:54 PM Re: Trump impeachment [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
“pathetic.”



Schiff presented nothing today

Must be he likes his 'camera time'


Republican Rep. Devin Nunes of California was on multiple phone calls with several key figures implicated in the impeachment inquiry not long before Marie Yovanovitch was recalled as the US's ambassador to Ukraine.

On Tuesday, the House Intelligence Committee released its report on its central findings in the impeachment inquiry.

The report said that "phone records show contacts" in April between Nunes, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the businessman Lev Parnas, and the investigative reporter John Solomon.
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#1536412 --- 12/03/19 04:22 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
“pathetic.”


Schiff presented nothing today

Must be he likes his 'camera time'


How anyone can watch this and come to this conclusion is beyond me. It is no wonder we have the most corrupt president ever!

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/03/watch-ad...ent-report.html

Watch: Adam Schiff holds press conference following release of draft impeachment report


House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff holds a press conference following the release of a draft report in the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.

The report arrives a day before the House Judiciary Committee launches its first round of public impeachment hearings, featuring four constitutional law scholars.

The report alleges that Trump leveraged a White House meeting and military aid to Ukraine in exchange for an investigation into Vice President Joe Biden.The report also alleges that Trump obstructed the impeachment inquiry by instructing witnesses to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony.

“In pressuring President [Volodymyr] Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine,” the report says.
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#1536413 --- 12/03/19 04:26 PM Re: Trump [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
“pathetic.”

Schiff presented nothing today

Must be he likes his 'camera time'

WOW! How far did you have to dig to come up with THAT pearl of Tallcot "wisdom?"

It must be that YOU like your 'lackey time.'


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#1536414 --- 12/03/19 04:27 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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Schiff: "This kind of conduct by a president of the United States, putting his own personal and political interest above the interests of the American people, is exactly why [the Founders] prescribed a remedy as extraordinary as the remedy of impeachment." http://abcn.ws/34Kja2Z

Impeachment report details 'scheme' by Trump to pressure Ukraine for his benefit
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#1536415 --- 12/03/19 04:30 PM Re: Trump Impeachment [Re: Ben444]
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Adam Schiff @RepAdamSchiff

The impeachment inquiry uncovered overwhelming and uncontested evidence that President Trump abused the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference in our election for his own personal, political gain.

No one is above the law.

Read our report: http://intelligence.house.gov/report
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