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#1524331 --- 02/10/19 06:33 PM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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The announcement has been made and my hope is that this new president can do what is needed to move the colleges forward, work with the city on mutually-beneficial projects instead of continuing to build a wall around campus and buy up more valuable real estate and take it off the tax rolls.

With any appointment, no matter the profile of the person selected, will depend on that persons ability to lead and shape many aspects of the colleges. Regardless of color, ethnicity, sex or musical preference a good president will be able to build a positive relationship with all stakeholders.

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#1535863 --- 11/11/19 02:41 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: cwjga]
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HWS has from 50 to 80 false alarms per month to the colleges wasting the resources/personnel of the fire department

charge the college $1,000 per false alarm until the colleges correct the problem

$1,000 x 50 false calls per month equals $50,000

$50,000 x 12 months = $600,000 for false alarms calls to the colleges per year

the $200,000 that HWS is offering to 'donate' to the city per year does not even cover the cost for the false alarm calls per year
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#1535892 --- 11/11/19 03:19 PM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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At the beginning of your remarks, you state that HWS SHOULD pay $1,000 per false alarm. At the end it has magically become THE COST - has the Fire Department declared that false alarms cost $1,000 each, or is this just your decree? Do we bill other entities for false alarms?

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#1535919 --- 11/12/19 11:56 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
Do we bill other entities for false alarms?


if they had 50 to 80 false alarms PER MONTH how would you address it?

HWS could transfer all their smoke alarm signals to their security guard office and have their security guards determine if they are false alarms
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#1535921 --- 11/12/19 12:25 PM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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I have a question Bluezone, how much does Geneva General Hospital contribute toward the city's tax base? seeing that if I recall, there use to be quite a consistent frequency of false alarms originating from that facility. Secondly, does the city residents pay a fire tax?

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#1535930 --- 11/12/19 04:43 PM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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So apparently you choose not to address how you got from THEY SHOULD pay $1,000 to THE COST is $1,000. What a surprise.

HWS could do this (delay response until after an investigation), at the risk of the delayed response putting someone in danger - is that what you are suggesting, that student lives are somehow worth less because they happen to be in an environment where false alarms occur more frequently? Would you apply this metric to the Courtyard Apartments, also a source of false alarms?

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#1535942 --- 11/13/19 04:18 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus

HWS could do this (delay response until after an investigation), at the risk of the delayed response putting someone in danger - is that what you are suggesting, that student lives are somehow worth less because they happen to be in an environment where false alarms occur more frequently?


do the 50 - 80 false alarms per month from HWS not put others at risk if they have an actual emergency?
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#1535944 --- 11/13/19 04:26 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
So apparently you choose not to address how you got from THEY SHOULD pay $1,000 to THE COST is $1,000. What a surprise.


where did I state the cost is $1,000?

how much do you estimate that it costs the fire department (taxpayers) to send trucks to the other side of the city (to HWS) about once a day?
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#1535945 --- 11/13/19 04:31 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
HWS could do this


let HWS set up their own emergency station

what is HWS current endowment up to $500 million?
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#1535946 --- 11/13/19 04:34 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
HWS could do this


other larger colleges pay the local community for each call to police and fire
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#1535950 --- 11/13/19 05:14 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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From your 11/11 post:


charge the college $1,000 per false alarm until the colleges correct the problem

$1,000 x 50 false calls per month equals $50,000

$50,000 x 12 months = $600,000 for false alarms calls to the colleges per year

the $200,000 that HWS is offering to 'donate' to the city per year does not even cover the cost for the false alarm calls per year

See, there? You went from charge to cost in a few sentences. I don't know what the cost is, I've been trying to get you to justify your number, which apparently was plucked out of thin air.

HWS endowment, as stated by their President, is $262 million, so you're off by a huge amount - again.

Which larger colleges, and how much do they pay? Please substantiate your claims.

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#1536028 --- 11/16/19 04:55 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
I don't know what the cost is


is it free to send out the fire trucks to the other side of the city for false alarms?
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#1536029 --- 11/16/19 04:58 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
I don't know what the cost is


if the fire department is responding to a false alarm at HWS but there is an acutal emergency and some one dies because the fire department is on the other side of the city should HWS be sued for the fatality?
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#1536030 --- 11/16/19 05:04 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
I don't know what the cost is


if a person gets a parking ticket should the fee only be the few cents it costs to print out the ticket?


there needs to be an incentive for HWS to reduce to false alarms

it was pointed out by anther poster that the hospital has reduced their false alarm calls

HWS should reduce the false alarm calls

there is plenty of money in their endowment to take steps to reduce the false alarm calls
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#1536039 --- 11/16/19 09:18 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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As before, no actual response to my question, but admirable attempts to change the topic.

Try this: if the fire trucks stay in station all day, do your taxes go down?

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#1536361 --- 11/30/19 12:13 PM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus

Try this: if the fire trucks stay in station all day, do your taxes go down?


How much does it cost to send out a fire truck to REPEATED false alarms?
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#1536380 --- 12/01/19 06:30 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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This would have been a much better start to your thread, since it's an admission that you don't know, but would like to know, about the cost, rather than trying to turn your opinion into a fact.

I don't know what the cost is, either. Probably the most difficult cost to determine in this equation is the wear & tear on the volunteers, not the equipment.

Perhaps a knowledgable volunteer can respond?

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#1536387 --- 12/02/19 08:58 AM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
This would have been a much better start to your thread, since it's an admission that you don't know, but would like to know, about the cost, rather than trying to turn your [his] opinion into a fact.

I don't know what the cost is, either. Probably the most difficult cost to determine in this equation is the wear & tear on the volunteers, not the equipment.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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#1536406 --- 12/03/19 03:25 PM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
This would have been a much better start to your thread,


The hospital took steps to lower the false alarm calls.

HWS should take steps to lessen the false alarm calls that generate from the students / staff.
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#1536410 --- 12/03/19 03:56 PM Re: Hobart / Poverty [Re: bluezone]
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Being an expert in electronics, tell us how do you minimize remote receivers and transponders? I'm very curious.

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