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#1535984 --- 11/14/19 09:01 PM Seneca Falls is DRI Winner
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As is often the case, this Forum focuses on the negative. Seneca Falls is a DRI winner for $10 Million. Pretty cool.

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#1535988 --- 11/15/19 06:24 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: John Q Public]
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with Churchill on the board that won't last or go for anything of any real value to the majority of taxpayers. Besides in time every community will get one. " NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL "


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#1536364 --- 11/30/19 12:32 PM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Besides in time every community will get one. " NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL "


Is the $10 million just PR for Cuomo?
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#1536378 --- 11/30/19 08:04 PM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: bluezone]
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buying votes
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#1536386 --- 12/02/19 08:29 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Besides in time every community will get one. " NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL "


Is the $10 million just PR for Cuomo?
People think it's a great deal but imagine what it would like if he didn't take the $10,000,000 from tax payers right from the beginning.
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#1536404 --- 12/03/19 03:20 PM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Besides in time every community will get one. " NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL "


Is the $10 million just PR for Cuomo?
People think it's a great deal but imagine what it would like if he didn't take the $10,000,000 from tax payers right from the beginning.


Would be far better for Cuomo to LOWER taxes

It would benefit the entire NYS economy
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#1536407 --- 12/03/19 03:44 PM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Would be far better for Cuomo to LOWER taxes

It would benefit the entire NYS economy

Oh, really?

FACT CHECK: Do Tax Cuts Grow The Economy?

Even The Brookings Institute doesn't make such bold assumptions:
https://www.brookings.edu/research/effects-of-income-tax-changes-on-economic-growth/

and...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/29/trump-ta...study-says.html
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#1536439 --- 12/04/19 06:34 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: Timbo]
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I would say that Brookings got it wrong.
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#1536440 --- 12/04/19 07:53 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
I would say that Brookings got it wrong.

Sorry, but I'll take the expert conclusions of the academic and well credentialed William G. Gale and Andrew A. Samwick over those of someone who is neither, ANY day.
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#1536458 --- 12/04/19 08:15 PM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: John Q Public]
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The challenge for those participating in the DRI grants are that thy need to spend the money first, have some means to do so (bank financing, loans, private investment, etc.) this needs to not only cover what the DRI says they will pay but any cost over-runs on the project. With projects such as these you WILL incur extra costs and at some point if you don't have a way to limit those costs you wind up paying a lot more than you planned for the $$$ you are to receive.

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#1536463 --- 12/05/19 06:42 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: pingu]
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It's going to end up just like Geneva. Remember they were in a big fight over where to put a welcome to Geneva sign. The best part is the amount of grant money they spend rebuilding the lakefront about every 10 years. If it weren't for the state bailing them out on their stupid EVENTS CENTER, that multi million dollar project would have been a total waste of money. I figure Seneca Falls can waste money a lot better than Geneva does.


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#1536466 --- 12/05/19 09:09 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: scwoodchuck]
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As I see it most of that money goes to promoting tourism and downtown redevelopment, when everybody knows downtowns are not going to come back and there is entirely to much tax payer money going to tourism with very little benefit to the general population.
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#1536467 --- 12/05/19 09:21 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: John Q Public]
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Downtown Geneva is in way better shape than Seneca Falls, regardless of Cuomoís waste of money at the waterfront. There has been numerous major capital projects by investors in downtown Geneva. Geneva has much improved business and residential tenants.

The context here is money and downtown development.

Itís only a few miles away. Seneca Falls canít figure it out. Itís a combination of the downtown merchants, politicians and general population not getting it.

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#1536480 --- 12/06/19 05:55 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
I would say that Brookings got it wrong.


If the other poster feels higher taxes help the economy than the other poster can send in even more money when it comes to taxes


Cuomo will be more than happy to collect the extra money ...

LOL
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#1536483 --- 12/06/19 08:57 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Downtown Geneva is in way better shape than Seneca Falls, regardless of Cuomoís waste of money at the waterfront. There has been numerous major capital projects by investors in downtown Geneva. Geneva has much improved business and residential tenants.

The context here is money and downtown development.

Itís only a few miles away. Seneca Falls canít figure it out. Itís a combination of the downtown merchants, politicians and general population not getting it.
It's called greasing your cronies with grant money, the general population does get it !
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#1536484 --- 12/06/19 09:12 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
I would say that Brookings got it wrong.
If the other poster feels higher taxes help the economy than the other poster can send in even more money when it comes to taxes

Cuomo will be more than happy to collect the extra money ...

LOL

"The other Poster" possesses ample nuance to understand that the devil is in the details, and that simple is as simple does.
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#1536486 --- 12/06/19 09:38 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Downtown Geneva is in way better shape than Seneca Falls, regardless of Cuomoís waste of money at the waterfront. There has been numerous major capital projects by investors in downtown Geneva. Geneva has much improved business and residential tenants.

The context here is money and downtown development.

Itís only a few miles away. Seneca Falls canít figure it out. Itís a combination of the downtown merchants, politicians and general population not getting it.
It's called greasing your cronies with grant money, the general population does get it !


Case in point. This is how 13148 thinks while other communities climb out of their holes.

The poster above is accusing people of committing fraud, while the fact is that business owners needed to support the grants with matching funds. Like it or not, it is how the program works. Go get yourself a distressed commercial property, put up additional cash, and you may qualify. ďCroniesĒ is an insult to the investors that took the chance. Keep in mind the grant doesnít assure you that your investment will pan out.

Stay in your hole and fight about trash, or municipal buildings, or village administration, or historical districts, or hospitals, or whether the tourists are being treated nice enough. Great plan.

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#1536494 --- 12/06/19 11:55 AM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: Top Dog]
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You need to look at a list of people who get grant money, in any town. Penn Yan, Geneva and Waterloo for gods sake. I don't think I have to name names, the list will have the same names on it over and over again. Gov. has been around for a long time, the both of us could make your head swim with stories of corruption. Even right in your own office grin Like, how did you get your job ?

I even think you have family who was on the landfills payroll years ago.


Edited by scwoodchuck (12/06/19 11:57 AM)
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#1536495 --- 12/06/19 12:01 PM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: Top Dog]
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#1536497 --- 12/06/19 12:14 PM Re: Seneca Falls is DRI Winner [Re: scwoodchuck]
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I will agree with you that Auburn & Cayuga County is a hot mess. Auburn is a slum city and morons get things because of their names. But Cayuga County wasnít what I was bringing in to the discussion. You did.

Family at the landfill? You have me confused with someone else. Ramble on.

Better yet, tell me about business climate Geneva 40 years ago and compare it to now. Do the same for Seneca Falls. Tell me about how they screwed up downtown with corruption and how the purple signs and paint on the sidewalk is working out for you. Careful while walking down Bullís Run. Looks like more fascia is about to fall.

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