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#1534591 --- 10/07/19 03:33 PM Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily."
IrieInFLX Offline
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Wonder what it feels like to so recklessly spend other's hard earned money; especially with zero accountability...all the while getting a new contract and a nice raise.

Superintendent Terri Bavis and the Waterloo School Board should be ashamed. Complete and utter ineptitude on both fronts.

As if the poor job performance supported by the facts uncovered in the audit wasn't enough to get Waterloo tax-payers livid, the follow up letter from Bavis and the Board to the state would make any politician proud.

"Auditors: Waterloo CSD 'did not ad...cessarily"

Report of Examination - Waterloo Central...ent - Oct. 2019

"Waterloo school chief gets 3.25 percent raise"


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#1534600 --- 10/08/19 09:19 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: IrieInFLX]
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#1534695 --- 10/11/19 07:30 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: IrieInFLX]
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do you really think that someone who is actually qualified would come to Waterloo ?
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#1534834 --- 10/15/19 07:24 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: IrieInFLX]
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The auditors are critical that the Waterloo school board saved too much, not that they spent too much.

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#1534835 --- 10/15/19 07:56 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: DeReRustica]
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I would say that the Board taxed too much.
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#1534845 --- 10/16/19 06:51 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: all seeing eye]
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at a time when most people can't even handle their own personal finances, you expect that board to manage a budget as big as that one ?
Besides an auditor will always find SOMETHING wrong.
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#1534871 --- 10/16/19 02:44 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: DeReRustica]
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DeReRustica - Not sure whom you are directing your comment to. Correct, they weren't found to have spent too much; they continually take too much.That kind of surplus should be given back to the tax payers.

My taxes went up this year. Yet the district is sitting on 9.6 million surplus? That doesn't seem right. I don't even have any kids. Like many in the community I scrape to get by; have to make sacrifices every tax season to do my part. At the absolute minimum the school board and superintendent should be overly transparent and very intentionally communicate to the community.

If I give a neighbor a loaf of bread. Later I discover said neighbor, whom continues to ask me for a new loaf of bread; has a garage full of untouched bread I'm going to be pissed off and feel taken advantage of.

If you're okay with this you are either very fortunate, or a much better person than I (Regretfully it wouldn't take much to be one, or the other, or both).

This Superintendent loves to spend money, (it should be a requirement for the superintendent to live in the district but that's another conversation...queue Mr "get off my lawn" to reply). That said the majority of the blame falls on the school board. They are to hold the superintendent accountable yet she has them in the palm of her hand.

I can't be the only one this rubs the wrong way but what do I know.


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#1534882 --- 10/16/19 06:40 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: scwoodchuck]
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9.3 million is much more than SOMETHING

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#1534975 --- 10/18/19 07:08 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: Top Dog]
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BUT THE MONEY IS STILL THERE AND CAN BE USED TO OFFSET NEXT YEARS TAXES, IT AIN'T LIKE IT WAS SPENT OR STOLEN.
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#1535025 --- 10/18/19 02:12 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: scwoodchuck]
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That should be reflected in this year’s bills if that was the intent. Taxes for the school district are levied in July and billed in September. By law it is this year that the taxpayers are supposed to experience the relief.

Shout as loud as you want. Taxpayers in Waterloo deserve better.

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#1535037 --- 10/19/19 06:27 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: IrieInFLX]
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OMG, someone should scrutinize you people in the same manner that you seem to inflict on everyone else. The school board is elected in the same fashion as our local officials, nothing more than a popularity contest where nobody is actually qualified. AND if they were actually qualified they wouldn't be living in Seneca County.
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#1535040 --- 10/19/19 10:57 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: scwoodchuck]
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This is like Government Finance 101. So simple.

Your argument is that a government should be allowed to be flush with cash, in this case nearly 10 million, and still be allowed to get in to it’s citizens pockets. So much for balanced budgets and accountability on your end. Let them run wild.

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#1535072 --- 10/21/19 10:37 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: Top Dog]
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NO, MY ARGUEMENT IS, when you elect your friends, or someone you like to a position of having to make business decisions purely on their personality you SHOULD EXPECT MISTAKES.
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#1535166 --- 10/24/19 06:20 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Exactly Chuck.

We need to stop electing people based on what they say they want and start electing people that have a plan. In the case of Waterloo, we need people that are willing to learn how to handle school money before they vote on what to do with it.

Like you mentioned, we don’t have a lot of choices in the voting booth. Nobody wants to do the job. We can’t expect a lot of government experience and forget education as a prerequisite. We need politicians that are willing to learn the job so they do it right.

Drive down Main Street in Waterloo and look at the signs. I would call it a popularity contest but some of them aren’t even popular. School board is no different.

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#1535168 --- 10/24/19 06:37 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: Top Dog]
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That is also true on a national level. It used to be called, "picking the lesser of two evils ".
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#1535188 --- 10/24/19 10:10 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Exactly Chuck.

Like you mentioned, we don’t have a lot of choices in the voting booth. Nobody wants to do the job. We can’t expect a lot of government experience and forget education as a prerequisite. We need politicians that are willing to learn the job so they do it right.

So what's your solution ? First of all most voters bitch and think they know what's going on, but the minute you start talking about the issues you realize they don't know a damn thing, about anything.
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#1535233 --- 10/24/19 06:20 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Send them to training when elected. If we already do, they aren’t paying attention.

The older I get the more I come to realize there is no fixing this.

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#1535242 --- 10/25/19 07:11 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: Top Dog]
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When elected the person leaving office is supposed to help them and there is a town law manual but nobody reads it. Hell in Seneca Falls the supervisor is accused of violating peoples 1st amendment rights at board meetings by not letting them speak when State law says they have no right to speak at board meetings and Avery is the biggest complainer so he obviously never read the town law manual. Fixing the problem would take work, and most elected officials think you can fix something by talking about it but have no idea what to do about it and are too lazy anyway.
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#1539600 --- 01/24/20 03:59 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: IrieInFLX]
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Tax cap will lower for school districts, adding pressure to budgeting - FingerLakes1.com

Hear that Superintendent Bevis & Waterloo School Board (Ellen Hughes, Coreen Lowry, Terri Reese, Michael Shores, Charles Bronson, Tiffany Folk, Melissa Nicolini, Renee Thomas, Erin Brown) ?!?!

YOU MUST DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING AN ACTUAL BUDGET AND NOT PADDING IT YEAR AFTER YEAR! Welcome to the real world! Millions of private businesses annually are tasked with making an accurate foretasted budget with many future unknowns. Cut the fat out of the budget. Stop over hiring. You must do better. You must consider the stake holders and the community when making the decisions you do. We all want the best education for our youth but this board fails to walk that fine line between respecting the tax payers and providing a solid education for the kids of Waterloo.

A little reliable birdie told me this board could have cut $1 million off the budget but recently chose not to do so. I have no proof of this other than it coming from what I consider a very reliable source. Don't take my word for it do your own research.
Considering the following...
(1) this school board is made of of Bevis' hand picked peons (Bevis was even able to get the teachers union to endorse) Don't believe me? Watch how they vote...but don't count on their meeting minutes going up in the required time frame per NYS Open Meetings Law.
(2) The recent NYS audit findings that district tax payers have been over-taxed ever since Bevis took her position. (Must be nice living out of the district and not having any skin in the game).
(3) As if that wasn't enough check out the smug response letter drafted by Bevis and Board President Ellen Hughes; it lacks any sort of responsibility and accountability regarding the state's findings. A total disregard for the taxpayers of the Waterloo school district. How more people aren't up in arms is beyond me. We are over taxed as it is and with this Superintendent and board it's not going to get any better.

But let's keep approving their projects, budgets and while we're at it let's give Bevis a raise and new contact!


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#1539640 --- 01/25/20 08:22 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: IrieInFLX]
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When you started using caps lock and insisted that the school was over staffed I can clearly tell you do not know what you are discussing.

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#1539783 --- 01/26/20 11:30 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: IrieInFLX]
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I don't see anybody on that board with business experience. I will also bet they can't even manage their own household budgets.
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#1547737 --- 05/08/20 04:19 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Quote:
Cuomo questions why school buildings still exist — and says New York will work with Bill Gates to ‘reimagine education’

New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) rocked the education world — and drew strong criticism from teachers and others — by questioning why school buildings still exist and announcing that he would work with Microsoft founder Bill Gates to “reimagine education,” with technology at the forefront.
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#1547754 --- 05/08/20 08:39 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: bluezone]
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Seems to me the planning and preparing for the probable flare up of covid-19 in the fall and maybe again and again, until there is a vaccine, isnt a bad idea. I feel sorry for the educators and students who were blindsided with the closures and had to build the plane when they were flying it. I also hear there is a significant need to educate parents to support their children.

We need to be better prepared if the schools have to close again.

Improving technology for both teachers and students and developing options to allow social distancing and preventing crowding in schools, as well as better internet access doesn't seem like a bad idea either.

Hopefully, everyone is smart enough to make sure the teachers are heard in the process.

2. When you quote something, could you mention the source? Took me a lot of time to figure out this was from the Washington Post.

3. Seems to me this discussion has nothing whatever to do with the Waterloo CSD audit. Perhaps, when you do a 180, you could start a new topic? I almost didn't read it because of the topic.
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#1548163 --- 05/14/20 01:05 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: bluezone]
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Comptroller DiNapoli: New York is in ‘dire’ situation, upwards of $8B will be cut from aid to localities


How many school staff will be cut?
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#1548286 --- 05/16/20 05:11 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
2. When you quote something, could you mention the source? Took me a lot of time to figure out this was from the Washington Post.

3. Seems to me this discussion has nothing whatever to do with the Waterloo CSD audit. Perhaps, when you do a 180, you could start a new topic? I almost didn't read it because of the topic.

This is bluezone's specialty. He likes to waste everyone's time by never mentioning the source. Or by changing the discussion to a new topic.


Edited by Ben444 (05/16/20 05:23 AM)
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#1548326 --- 05/16/20 11:38 AM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
2. When you quote something, could you mention the source? Took me a lot of time to figure out this was from the Washington Post.

3. Seems to me this discussion has nothing whatever to do with the Waterloo CSD audit. Perhaps, when you do a 180, you could start a new topic? I almost didn't read it because of the topic.

This is bluezone's specialty. He likes to waste everyone's time by never mentioning the source. Or by changing the discussion to a new topic.

bluezone has done a bunch more no source - no idea what he is talking about posts all over these forums in the last few mintues - sad.
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#1548334 --- 05/16/20 02:59 PM Re: Waterloo CSD - NYS Audit - "Auditors: Waterloo CSD ‘did not adopt realistic budgets’, leaving millions in reserve funds unnecessarily." [Re: Ben444]
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I am going to post a new topic with links to the Comptrollers Report and the article that bluezone quoted the title of.

As far as I know, with the exception of the Town of Seneca Falls, there has been little or no PUBLIC discussion of either the impacts of the State aid cuts or the loss in sales tax, occupancy tax, and casino money on Seneca County, its Towns and Villages or any of the School Districts.

And the public needs to know.
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