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#1533255 --- 08/21/19 01:40 PM Geneva 's race for Mayor
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Race for Geneva Mayor: I am wondering about what Mark Pitifer stands for. What happened to "All God's Children"? Now a friend of Tom Reed, a Trump supporter.

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#1533261 --- 08/21/19 06:46 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Kudos Veronica, I too wondered about that premise, personally I like Mark a whole lot but noted a few of his postings on Facebook supporting Tom Reed, someone I had the unfortunate pleasure of meeting. It's becoming very convoluted to receive the support and respect from the minority community yet simultaneously support a racist Reed.
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#1533305 --- 08/24/19 12:02 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Explain to us what makes Tom Reed a "racist"?


Edited by rock 963 (08/24/19 12:06 PM)
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#1533306 --- 08/24/19 12:44 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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EASY, anyone that supports the same policies as Trump is CLEARLY a racist. He went down to the border 3 weeks ago and reiterated thus so verbally. Look it up for your own edification, something which most racists fail to do, they call it denial due to intended ignorance. Most racists would rather debate than attempting to understand the position of people of color.Hope that you don't walk into a trap due to the fact that I'm known as a Liberal thinker that need no reiteration or backup from others, something most Trump supporters and GOP members are highly in need of. wink Question: how would you contrude a person who does not steal, murder, cheat lie yet support all these action full heartily?


https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/08/local...reed-defend-it/


https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/politics/2018/10/22/tom-reed-president-donald-trump


https://www.post-journal.com/uncategoriz...use-resolution/


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nate-shinagawa_n_1663432
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#1533317 --- 08/25/19 09:08 AM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Ummmm ok.
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#1533324 --- 08/25/19 05:05 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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Tom Reed supports Trump who is a racist

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#1533325 --- 08/25/19 05:14 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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I agree

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#1533326 --- 08/25/19 05:36 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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Tom Reed supports a racist president

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#1533327 --- 08/25/19 09:09 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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OK, Veronica, we get it. I'm not disagreeing, but repeated posts aren't necessary. It will be interesting to see if a Tom Reed endorsement helps or hurts Mr. Pitifer.

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#1533328 --- 08/25/19 09:38 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Tacitus]
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Are you the forum police? if the sentiment is repeated 30 times, what is wrong with "The freedom of speech"? or are we expressing the rhetoric of Donald J. Trump? the attempts to control one's opinion
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#1533329 --- 08/25/19 11:30 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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bigot
[ˈbiɡət]

NOUN
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city" · [more]
synonyms:
dogmatist · partisan · sectarian · prejudiced person · racist · racialist · sexist · [more]
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#1533330 --- 08/26/19 12:43 AM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Bigot
OED: "A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions."

Webster:": a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

Wikipedia:"A bigot is someone intolerant of others' differing ideas, races, genders, religions, politics, etc."


Thanks for your input which has manage to confirm Veronica's assessment. She question the stance of any of us when we verbally say one thing but our personal actions contradicts our words. BIGOT, RACIST, HYPOCRITE, TWO FACE etc. can often describe an individual who's view take the stance of never considering the views of others. I find it odd that when other question our stance, the instantaneous response..."YOU'RE a racist etc. Take the time to reflect on other's words and why they make those assessment before jumping the gun....If one's wife always carry black eyes, fat lips and bruises, tell us, can one assume that she is being abuse by her husband or is she prone to accidentally falling down stair and running into doors? @ Veronica, I'm sure that you have reason(s) for prompting certain questions and I deem those questions to be very valid in spite of those that disagree. It's very easy to deem myself as a man to understand the pain of child birth but if I never experienced it.... I'm running my mouth based on assumption.
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#1533332 --- 08/26/19 12:27 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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OK, so let me get this straight.
Reed supports Trump, so Reed is a racist.
If Mr. Pitifer supports Reed, Mr. Pitifer would be a racist?

I'm just asking, not making a statement.

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#1533333 --- 08/26/19 12:32 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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I think in one of statement, I ask the question, what makes one identify with another's belief? I think that before you ask me this one question, please answer that particular one in your own mind. I'm a happily married man of 40 years, a beautiful family etc. how do I identify with a wife beater and one who abuses his kids?
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#1533334 --- 08/26/19 12:37 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
OK, so let me get this straight.
Reed supports Trump, so Reed is a racist.
If Mr. Pitifer supports Reed, Mr. Pitifer would be a racist?

I'm just asking, not making a statement.


Do you believe in tax evasion, cheating on your wife, petty name calling, adolescence behavior etc. yet we as a society expect our local officials, school principal etc. to have a moral compass. Why would we give Trump and those similar to him a free pass? One exception, our agenda taking precedent of morals. Maybe I need to check my personal morality.......I'm making a statement, not asking a question
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#1533336 --- 08/26/19 12:53 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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All those things are terrible. I'm just not sure of the "supporter theory".

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#1533337 --- 08/26/19 12:56 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
All those things are terrible. I'm just not sure of the "supporter theory".


Believe me Sir, no theory, had the misfortune of meeting Reed, the person that invited me to his town hall meeting was embarrassed by his messages and totally walked away from said setting. Maybe you need the definition of SUPPORT?
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#1533338 --- 08/26/19 01:00 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
All those things are terrible. I'm just not sure of the "supporter theory".


I'll ask you a very simplistic question "Why do you support the GOP party?" Secondly "why would I over the last 40 years vote Republican, Democratic, and Independent party? I'll wait for your response.
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#1533340 --- 08/26/19 01:19 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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I don't support the GOP party.
I wouldn't support any one particular party.

I support who I think is the best candidate and who will do best for my City, County, State or Federal Government.

Does that answer your questions?

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#1533342 --- 08/26/19 01:21 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Not really, solely for the simple reason that you decided to weigh in on my response to another forum reader
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#1533343 --- 08/26/19 01:23 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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I thought you were asking me. You replied to my comment.

Oh well.

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#1533345 --- 08/26/19 01:24 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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When no particular topic pertains to me, I see no reason to interject, maybe you're bored and just needed some entertainment. wink
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#1533346 --- 08/26/19 01:28 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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The topic of Mayor of Geneva does pertain to me, so back to the topic.

I see some faults with Mr. Pitifer, but I would not consider him a racist. That would probably be the least of my concerns as far as he goes.

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#1533347 --- 08/26/19 01:29 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
I thought you were asking me. You replied to my comment.

Oh well.


I can see that a nonsensical debate is being prepared by you. I don't do that style of debate. Now here are the ground rules.Ask an mature question with reasons for asking, respect the response of the individual irrespective of your opinion. If that don't suffice, I guess that you need to take your marble home.
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#1533348 --- 08/26/19 01:34 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
The topic of Mayor of Geneva does pertain to me, so back to the topic.

I see some faults with Mr. Pitifer, but I would not consider him a racist. That would probably be the least of my concerns as far as he goes.


The city of Geneva is very diverse in terms of political affiliation, culture and race, sadly you and others feel the need to CORRECT those that have differences of opinion without the benefit of asking why other opinions really do matter. I pray that you're not a city official...for obvious reasons.
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#1533349 --- 08/26/19 01:45 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
The topic of Mayor of Geneva does pertain to me, so back to the topic.

I see some faults with Mr. Pitifer, but I would not consider him a racist. That would probably be the least of my concerns as far as he goes.


In regard to Mark, I've known him for the last 30 years and consider him one if the finest citizens in that region. My point which would pertain to my friend or family, when the values of life are contradicted by one's actions or affiliation, you can bet that I will ask said person, explain such contradictory actions. Or are you one that goes to the voting polls and attempt to give every candidate your vote and support? Logically next to impossible. Over the last 30 years I've seen and observe corruption in your fair city, some in areas that need not have been there, yet those same officials gave speaking advisement only to do something entirely opposite. Bad tactics and policies to say the least, worse yet, you are demonized and criticized for making said observations, thus my reasons for defending Veronica.
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#1533350 --- 08/26/19 02:52 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Veronica, hopefully Mr. Pitifer will let the voters know what he stands for. So far I see lots of fluff. Thank you for bringing it up.

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#1533351 --- 08/26/19 03:41 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
The topic of Mayor of Geneva does pertain to me, so back to the topic.

I see some faults with Mr. Pitifer, but I would not consider him a racist. That would probably be the least of my concerns as far as he goes.


In regard to Mark, I've known him for the last 30 years and consider him one if the finest citizens in that region. My point which would pertain to my friend or family, when the values of life are contradicted by one's actions or affiliation, you can bet that I will ask said person, explain such contradictory actions. Or are you one that goes to the voting polls and attempt to give every candidate your vote and support? Logically next to impossible. Over the last 30 years I've seen and observe corruption in your fair city, some in areas that need not have been there, yet those same officials gave speaking advisement only to do something entirely opposite. Bad tactics and policies to say the least, worse yet, you are demonized and criticized for making said observations, thus my reasons for defending Veronica.


Another detrimental attribute, can't let things go. I'll give you a lesson in politic Sir. There are several political parties and we all support or believe in each for our personal reasons, you're sounding a bit TRUMPISH in falsely assuming that you are right and all other disagreeing with you are somewhat wrong, get a grip and life for yourself and stay out of the affairs of others. Something which is destroying United States, our political regard for our fellow nations while our own has gone down the drain. Being that you seem to know much in regard to my personal sentiments, I'll go out on a limb and assume you a White Conservative....How dare me!!!!!!! Please use a little common sense and intelligence in the future so that we can discuss matters intelligently instead of stereotypical rhetoric because thus far, you're appearing very narrowed minded and opinionated.......care to return that compliment? Thought so...get my drift? wink
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#1533353 --- 08/26/19 04:13 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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Re-read both of our posts.

I ask a question.....you "go off". I make a statement... you "go off".

I make a comment to someone else... you "go off"

Done with YOU.

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#1533354 --- 08/26/19 04:15 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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I wonder if any debates will be set up. Those would be interesting. I know both candidates are friends, so I'm sure it would be cordial.

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#1533355 --- 08/26/19 04:15 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
Re-read both of our posts.

I ask a question.....you "go off". I make a statement... you "go off".

I make a comment to someone else... you "go off"

Done with YOU.


Thank you, so you did get my drift, remember you spoke to me first and not the other way around. laugh
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#1533357 --- 08/26/19 05:13 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Formermac, take it easy. You're making these sweeping generalizations saying that anyone who has the support of someone who you've deamed "racist", is racist themselves. You're talking about freedom of speech and difference in opinions, but yet when someone disagrees with you on not believing these people you've mentioned are racist, you strike "go off". Just calm down.
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#1533358 --- 08/26/19 05:25 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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LOL, I am calm, believe me, you've never saw the worse of me.. I can hold my own in every venue without the benefit of going NASTY. The problem lies the fact that you somehow weigh in on a particular topic and expect??????? Your problem Sir, I have a personal opinion which has no restrictions in being heard, Your problem? Falsely thinking that said rights belong solely to you....case in point, you weigh in to a posting between myself and veronica . Now don't go playing the victim when someone bites your head off for placing yourself in a two way conversation. PEACE!!!!
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#1533359 --- 08/26/19 05:37 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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Answer a basic question, what compel you to ask Veronica why was Mark's affiliation with Tom Reed questionable? Ever use the PM portion of this forum? So you don't know our personal discussions. Never assume with me that you have the divine right and opinion here yet question those that differ in views opposite of yours......The Fingerlake forum is a privilege afforded most of us, not a setting dedicated to one sided opinion. So in essence, maybe you are in vast need of a calming attitude toward the rights of others. laugh
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#1533362 --- 08/26/19 08:25 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Whatever you say man.
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#1533365 --- 08/26/19 09:04 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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See that wasn't hard was it? laugh
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#1533379 --- 08/27/19 11:09 AM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Like arguing with a child, just let them think they're right.
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#1533380 --- 08/27/19 11:47 AM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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It's more than "thinking son" I KNOW that I'm right, thus the reason that you can't let it go, otherwise if you were right, why not take solace in that profound fact? wink My assessment of you was even correct, a Trumpite that must have the last say, even when wrong

let's recap:


https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/08/local...reed-defend-it/

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/politics/2018/10/22/tom-reed-president-donald-trump




https://www.post-journal.com/uncategoriz...use-resolution/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nate-shinagawa_n_1663432

I find it hypocritical that you care to debate not my words but citation, yet in all your ignorance, supply not one iota of why Reed is not racist but your running mouth. When one can not speak out against injustice, they now become part of the problem, in case you've missed it, not one word on your part about the injustices in Geneva nor on the national and global front. HOW REVEALING in regard to your lack of listening ability due to your excessive need to make a statement. Once again, I pray to God that you're not a city official!!!!!

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#1533384 --- 08/27/19 05:16 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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K, bud.


Edited by rock 963 (08/27/19 05:17 PM)
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#1533386 --- 08/27/19 05:59 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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I still haven't seen proof that Reed is a racist. If Trump backing Reed and Reed backing Trump makes Reed a racist, then I guess that anyone Reed backs, or anyone that backs Reed is a racist.

I'm not sure I follow that thinking.

I would love to find out Mr. Pitifer's thoughts on both Reed and Trump. Again, backing one or both of them tells us something about Mr. Pitifer, but I wouldn't say he is a racist for backing them.

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#1533387 --- 08/27/19 06:03 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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LOL, The reason that you can't find the proof, you're not looking for it son. Look back on this forum in regard to a young woman's post. Do you know her, do you know her PM to me? None whatsoever...the proof is there and if you had any endeavor to find out, that would have been the case several day ago..... Once again, we don't see that we wish not to see. laugh
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#1533388 --- 08/27/19 06:07 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
I still haven't seen proof that Reed is a racist. If Trump backing Reed and Reed backing Trump makes Reed a racist, then I guess that anyone Reed backs, or anyone that backs Reed is a racist.

I'm not sure I follow that thinking.

I would love to find out Mr. Pitifer's thoughts on both Reed and Trump. Again, backing one or both of them tells us something about Mr. Pitifer, but I wouldn't say he is a racist for backing them.


It appears that you have a comprehension problem as well. Veronica nor myself called Mark a racist, the problem? he endorses a racist. Now follow along.... when we endorse those that have questionable moral and character issues, we have questionable values. Amazing!!! we vet a school superintendent etc. but most White Conservatives backing Trump, see no need to make him accountable to his corruption, lies, petty name calling etc Some thing was rotten in Denmark...in this case, France this past weekend. Those that elected a clown are now experiencing a circus...are you prepared to bring that down to your local level? I say that it about time to question your candidate's agenda adverse to voting your favored party line being the major motivation. I actually like Mark a whole lot but the environment in which swirls around him has me somewhat concern to as to his complete character. let me propose a few questions , do you hangout downtown with drug addicts and people of questionable character? Why not? Yet some of you see no harm in supporting racism, lies, cheaters of taxes, wives, people etc. I have no problem calling it hypocrisy while holding all to a higher standard.
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#1533403 --- 08/28/19 02:30 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
I thought you were asking me. You replied to my comment.

Oh well.


Amazingly, we are acknowledging a new phenomenon, a White president that deem himself so smart that he knows the mindset of every individual in the world. Women, people of color, poor, educated uneducated etc. A sad aspect of this phenomenon, is the fact that it's reached epic proportion here in the United States. While we wait for Mexican to kill us, we are witnessing White men go on massive shootings. There in the Fingerlakes, the same group of Mexican being demonized are working the farms yet like a 2 dollar whore, are told to go home once we're done with them. here on the forum, we have a couple men that deem themselves experts on the matter of racism yet you can almost bet that neither been discriminated due to the fact that are Black, maybe for being White but the audacity to claim to being experts is so totally disrespectful and inappropriate to any person of color. Maybe some time is needed in devoting one's self to education and less on giving lessons on who's not racist. Good luck Mark on your endeavor.
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#1533431 --- 08/29/19 11:49 AM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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As for me, until I hear a republican stand up and admit that their leader in Washington is inept, I will not vote for a republican again. The end....

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#1533447 --- 08/29/19 07:34 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Don't hold your breath. Inept is just the beginning.

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#1533639 --- 09/04/19 08:20 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Tacitus]
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I reposted it by mistake

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#1533647 --- 09/04/19 11:55 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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I don't know Mark Pitifer but if formermac doesn't like him then I like Pitifer that much more.
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#1533844 --- 09/11/19 02:16 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Did anyone make it to Mr. Pitifer's Town Hall meeting? If so, what did you think? I was unable to attend.

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#1533886 --- 09/12/19 04:22 AM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Mark Pitifer is a nice guy but someone who is a better as a neighbor than a mayor. Hard core republican and big Reed and Trump supporter. As a neighbor you can always go home once you get tired but as a mayor we are stuck until the next election. I would love to see him distance himself from Trump's nonsense and Reed's unwavering support of Trump. No surprise he got Reed's endorsement. His son worked for Reed in the last election and may still be there. Reed's like a family friend. The Geneva republican party should have found someone less extreme on the political spectrum.

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#1533897 --- 09/12/19 03:05 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Anyone who has seen Mark Pitifer in action as a coach or out in the community KNOWS HE IS NOT A RACIST. I'm not a Trump/Reed supporter and don't know if he would be a good mayor BUT I DO KNOW HE IS NOT A RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#1533904 --- 09/12/19 04:45 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: 764379255223]
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I agree with your premise that Mark is a fine gentleman, upstanding to go a bit further. One major point, give your synopsis on racism and what do they look like? Where do they reside and who do they work for or with? Any of us can learn to get along with people, even live next to them but one fact you've seem to ignore, what's the personal interactions of one to another....Unless you're God himself..please speak for yourself and allow any said individual to expound on their personal experience..once again, I've known Mark for 35 years and love him to death (My opinion) now lets not negate some one else opinion because it doesn't fit yours or mine narrative. I use to own 4 apartment buildings in Geneva at one time, a phenomenon I've never quite figure out, several of my White female tenants were either married or dated Black or Hispanic guys, how in God's name do you call your significant other the N word or derogatory name when you're mad? Remind you, they share bi racial children together, is that person racist or just love to use those choice of words when it's convenient to get a point across? Not a isolated incident in your fair city... Maybe ignorance can be misplaced as racism, your thought?
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#1534981 --- 10/18/19 12:37 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: NYtoFL]
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He stood up, spread out his arms & said "I am going to be Geneva's first black Mayor" What a strange thing for a Trump supporter to say!

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#1534983 --- 10/18/19 12:46 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: rock 963]
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Wow! Just listen to him! Now he supports ethnic cleansing in Syria.

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#1534985 --- 10/18/19 12:48 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: 764379255223]
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He supports a racist, traitor &a liar. He has no experience and isn't that bright.


Edited by veronica (10/18/19 12:57 PM)

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#1534987 --- 10/18/19 12:56 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: genevaparent]
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Mark is a nice guy. I've known him since he was in high school. I don't think he possesses the level of intelligence, experience to be a mayor. How he can say he stands up for minorities as "the first black mayor of Geneva" and support an racist, liar and a traitor President and Tom Reed is a joke

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#1534988 --- 10/18/19 01:09 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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I was born and raised in the Fingerlakes and life's lesson has taught me much. I lived in a community where my family was the only minority who resided there. Over the years, I've learned to get along with everyone irrespective of personal belief. I garnered many great friends of all color but reality confronts another aspect of life, everyone don't wish to see you do well irrespective again of race. You'll find that some will "tolerate" you as long as they have an "edge" in term of success ie. education, jobs, house and cars you own. Mark is a great guy but I see his standoff attitude toward those in the Fingerlakes who actually are affluent....bottom line, visiting the old "Chartres home and rubbing elbows with your old constituents and classmates won't get my vote.Tell me what you'll do for the community as a whole from Clark Street to Slossum Lane.
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#1534992 --- 10/18/19 02:20 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Originally Posted By: veronica
He supports a racist, traitor &a liar. He has no experience and isn't that bright.


I completely understand why you may strongly disagree with President Trump and Congressman Reed. However, I respectfully think your dislike for the GOP and those men in particular are clouding your judgment of Mark Pitifer.

Have a conversation with Mark Pitifer. Although you may disagree with his opinions, I think you'll find that he's got incredible interpersonal skills, and he is objectively very intelligent (not that it particularly matters or is important, but among many other things, he's a published author and holds a master's degree).

It's also entirely unfair to throw out the term "racist," merely because Mark Pitifer may support some or all republicans. I strongly suspect that no other individual in the City of Geneva has devoted and volunteered more time and energy to helping the impoverished of every race, color, creed, and religion in Geneva.

Moreover, I do not think experience is necessarily important for a small city mayor. As a local example, Svante Myrick started off with absolutely no political experience in Ithaca. The voters there do not seem to think it has hindered his effectiveness whatsoever.

I understand that you may not support a candidate's particular platform or think it's too vague, but name calling based on party allegiance is inappropriate, especially at the local level.

I'm not a Mark Pitifer lackey, but I felt the need to chime in. He is a tremendous individual, and it's unfair to call him names merely because he has received the endorsement of a certain politician.

Exiting soapbox.

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#1534995 --- 10/18/19 02:34 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: FLaker]
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A question, sir, if an individual just come running out of a bank a offered you a bag of money, would you accept it? There's the idiot's mindset that we must accept anything thrown in our direction to make friends or associates. A proverbial instilled most of us since childhood, you're known by the people you associate yourself with. Another question, can you hang with thieves and crooks while offering honesty and truth to the public. Now explain to us "Dummies" how we can co exist in two entirely separate worlds and still appear as an intelligent and well adjusted individual?

Question in regard to name calling, please tell us your stance on a POTUS that shows the mentality that would embarrass a 6th grader..it's not what you're saying which makes you a hypocrite, it's all that you negate to say. Same goes on a local front
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#1534996 --- 10/18/19 02:46 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: FLaker]
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Your dissertation which is somewhat lengthy and fails to address mark's lack of messaging urban flight from Geneva, high property taxes, crime within the police department, the failure of an expensive school district which negate to address the low number of Black and Hispanic teachers. Where are the job creation that existed 30 years ago such as Sylvania, Seneca knitting mill etc.
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#1534997 --- 10/18/19 03:11 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Your dissertation which is somewhat lengthy and fails to address mark's lack of messaging urban flight from Geneva, high property taxes, crime within the police department, the failure of an expensive school district which negate to address the low number of Black and Hispanic teachers. Where are the job creation that existed 30 years ago such as Sylvania, Seneca knitting mill etc.


As noted, I have no issue with critiquing a candidate's platform.

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#1535002 --- 10/18/19 05:01 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: FLaker]
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Your defense of Mark is quite admirable to say the least. I'll tell you what, seeing that you know him so intimately, pass it on to him that the forum is being somewhat unkind to his reputation and the least he can do is to come here and correct any false impressions that exist here on the forum or out in the city of Geneva. Can you do much much for us. I'm sure that he can portray himself better than yourself....unless.....You are mark himself.
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#1535014 --- 10/18/19 05:44 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Your dissertation which is somewhat lengthy and fails to address mark's lack of messaging urban flight from Geneva, high property taxes, crime within the police department, the failure of an expensive school district which negate to address the low number of Black and Hispanic teachers. Where are the job creation that existed 30 years ago such as Sylvania, Seneca knitting mill etc.


Not to derail the thread, but what do you, Formermac, propose for the problems you listed? I'd love to meet a local upstate politician that can successfully formulate a plan to tackle these issues while also balancing the state mandates.

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#1535018 --- 10/18/19 06:01 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: FLaker]
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I'm a retired engineer, 36 years of experience. Over the last 11 years been on several advisory board while running a business. Want to discuss taxes, school discrepancies etc. Your go
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#1535019 --- 10/18/19 06:08 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: FLaker]
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Originally Posted By: FLaker
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Your dissertation which is somewhat lengthy and fails to address mark's lack of messaging urban flight from Geneva, high property taxes, crime within the police department, the failure of an expensive school district which negate to address the low number of Black and Hispanic teachers. Where are the job creation that existed 30 years ago such as Sylvania, Seneca knitting mill etc.


Not to derail the thread, but what do you, Formermac, propose for the problems you listed? I'd love to meet a local upstate politician that can successfully formulate a plan to tackle these issues while also balancing the state mandates.



Mind you, if your care to look up some data or do some research, a small city can in fact manage itself fiscally and monetarily but when you have people in office that caters to the wealthy who just happen to live outside the city limits, I'll tell you about unused boat launches while misappropriating 80K more. School superintendent making in excess of a 100K while it's graduation rate is about 70% never speak to me about "You can't" sadly your premise, you make little effort to change the status quo.
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#1535030 --- 10/18/19 08:06 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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"School superintendent making in excess of 100K" - surely you jest. Try doubling that when you include the pension & health care, car allowance, etc. I doubt if any principals are under the $100K total compensation line. But, as they say, "we are underfunded compared to our needs".

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#1535317 --- 10/27/19 07:01 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: genevaparent]
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Quote:
one individual has been on council for more than a decade and the property taxes are the highest in the county


that individual likes to tax and spend other peoples money


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#1535318 --- 10/27/19 07:10 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
https://files.constantcontact.com/e11044f4201/b448c6ab-c6d7-4a49-956f-1081285b3545.pdf

How much savings will the city residents realize once the increase in sewer and water rates are instituted, not to mention the proposed property reassessment.


ask the council member (running for mayor) why the taxes are so high

he has had over a decade in office to lower the property taxes

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#1535321 --- 10/27/19 07:36 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

FINISHING ON THE FRONTLINES: Food Justice of Geneva nears end of fall gleaning season

http://fingerlakes1.com/2019/10/25/finis...leaning-season/

Each Saturday, volunteers emerge early in the morning to glean in fields for the sake of others through Food Justice of Geneva.

With varying levels of attendance, volunteers arrive prior to 8:30 a.m. every Saturday at the parking lot behind Denny’s along Canandaigua Road before heading to the fields.


Once everyone convenes, a caravan of vehicles drives along dirt roads that run along rural farmlands until they reach their destination: the farm of Bejo Seeds in Geneva.


For the last five-years, Food Justice has operated by “funding out of pocket” and by procuring a nonprofit title designation, the organization shall be eligible to apply grant opportunities.

Fortunately for Food Justice, the community has collectively contributed to their cause along the way while surpassing their fifth-year of gleaning.


Tools for Social Change purchased a trailer that was eventually transformed into a mobile cooler and the City of Geneva subsidized costs to modify a walk-in cooler and also covered the first year’s rent for a storage warehouse where the walk-in is located.

Shaffer considers Food Justice’s budget as “shoestring” already, wishing that the city gave prior notice to them about recent budget cuts.

Despite the uncertainty of funding dips, Food Justice fared well following the 2020-21 city budget’s allocation in comparison to its partner agency peers.

Out of 14 organizations that requested aid, only eight obtained some form of financial assistance and Food Justice ranked fifth overall for the highest pay-out among partner agencies.


Comparatively, partner agencies like Food Justice last year received a total of $133,450 that was divided among the 14 organizations, but only $98,975 has been allocated to the same groups for this year’s city budget.




and what has the council member running for mayor done to improve lack of fresh food in parts of the city
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#1535322 --- 10/27/19 07:45 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Libertas
Per the Democrat and Chronicle...

"White Plains residents pay the highest total property taxes per capita among cities in New York, while Binghamton has the highest effective property-tax rate in the state, a review today found.

Albany had the highest effective property-tax rate — which is the total raised through property taxes divided by adjusted full value of property — among large cities at 1.22 percent. Overall among cities, Binghamton led the pack at 2.51 percent, the Empire Center for State Policy found.

Among cities, White Plains residents paid the highest per capita taxes at $1,898, and the Westchester County city also had the highest per capita spending at $3,716.

Rye ranked second in property taxes per capita at $1,500 and Yonkers ranked third at $1,381. They are all in Westchester, which has the highest property taxes in the nation. The city of Rochester ranked eight at $2,675 per capita, the group said.

Geneva, Ontario County, had the highest per capita debt at $3,318.

The group calculated the rates through its Benchmarking New York online tool.

“New Yorkers are paying some of the highest property taxes in the country, and Benchmarking New York is a powerful tool that lets them see exactly how their taxes compare to those in other communities,” said Tim Hoefer, executive director of the conservative, Albany-based group.

It found that Lewis County in northern New York had the highest expenditure among counties in New York, at $4,659 per capita. Westchester ranked fourth at $2,670, while Broome County ranked fifth at $2,655.

The small Adirondacks town of Newcomb had the highest expenditure and taxes per capita among New York towns. Among villages, the Fire Island village of Saltaire had the highest expenditures and taxes per capita — a whopping $58,566 per home owner, which totals about 37 year-round residents."


Originally Posted By: tag2
If you read the "Panther Pride" which was delivered this week I hope you read the article on page 11. I knew that we have a lot of folks who are struggling financially but... Over 55% of the elementary students are eligible for SNAP or Medicaid. The Geneva elementary schools were selected to participate in Community Eligibility Program through June 2018. This means that ALL of the students at West Street and North Street schools are able to eat breakfast and lunch at no cost. It is a federally funded program. While I am happy that these students will no longer face a day without or with very little food I am appalled that in our community there are so many people (including the little ones) who need this help.



and what has the council member (running for mayor) who has been office for over a decade done to improve those conditions?
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#1535468 --- 11/02/19 10:58 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: schoolgirl
Does anyone know if that council member has finally come to except ,that the foundry area homes are in a true brownfield area. He has said that he lived in that area and grew gardens,had kids and nothing happened to them.


did the councilor running for mayor know about the foundry situation while in his first term as a councilor?

did he sell his home that was located in the foundry area because he MAY have known about the foundry situation and wanted to sell his home before the value of his home would drop?

did he disclose to the buyer of his home about the foundry situation prior to selling the home?

unethical acts or more severe?
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#1535520 --- 11/03/19 06:52 PM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
https://files.constantcontact.com/e11044f4201/b448c6ab-c6d7-4a49-956f-1081285b3545.pdf

How much savings will the city residents realize once the increase in sewer and water rates are instituted, not to mention the proposed property reassessment.


what candidate for mayor allowed the city taxpayers to pay about double the cost for the 911 service?


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#1535533 --- 11/04/19 12:27 AM Re: Geneva 's race for Mayor [Re: veronica]
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Please keep in mind many good people support and agree with state and national leaders,whom many others do not. That's sometimes very hard to understand, as you or I can't understand how someone wont see what we may see.However for a local Mayor showing support for those in office who can help our small town in the long run with grants,and or funds to improve our community,than maybe its a good thing.

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