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#1533880 --- 09/11/19 06:02 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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The White House
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@WhiteHouse
On September 11, 2001, the world witnessed the power of American defiance.
Really? Maybe the next day. That day we were so confused we didn't know what or who hit us.
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#1533881 --- 09/11/19 06:07 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/his-fro...ania-has-a-son/

‘His frontal lobe is melting’: Donald Trump labeled ‘lousy dad’ after he says Melania ‘has a son’
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#1533882 --- 09/11/19 06:10 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/watch-t...oked-on-vaping/

Watch Trump’s incoherent attempt to explain how ‘innocent children’ get hooked on vaping
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#1533883 --- 09/11/19 06:13 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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Michelangelo Signorile @MSignorile

I ran recruiting for a large, famous consulting firm. We literally tossed any resume that had @LibertyU
on it in the garbage. Full stop. Done.
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#1533884 --- 09/11/19 06:24 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
The White House
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@WhiteHouse
On September 11, 2001, the world witnessed the power of American defiance.
Really? Maybe the next day. That day we were so confused we didn't know what or who hit us.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97kA12toHcw

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#1533933 --- 09/14/19 10:06 AM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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What Modern Democratic Socialists Can Learn from F.A. Hayek
That their intentions were good—and that the intentions of the socialists of today are good—is beyond doubt. And yet, good intentions are not enough.

Saturday, September 14, 2019
Kai Weiss

Politics Democratic Socialism Socialism Good Intentions F. A. Hayek
Democratic socialism is considered a viable alternative, a “middle way” between unrestrained capitalism and the gulags of communism for many on America’s left. Some of the most prominent contenders for the Democratic presidential nominee, including Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Kamala Harris, have embraced this concept, which supposedly is so very different from the old Marxist socialism that killed tens of millions in the 20th century.

"Democratic Socialism" Is an Oxymoron
“Democratic socialists” look to role models of this system around the world, like Scandinavian countries, Iceland, Germany, or literally any other country from the Old Continent. One problem with this is that, in reality, none of these paradises are actually remotely close to being socialist. However, it is better, of course, to find friendly examples for the ideology you support aside from Soviet Communism, though it seems no one has told this to Bernie Sanders, who has traveled to and praised the Soviet Union, Cuba, and Venezuela in years gone by.

That “democratic socialism” is an oxymoron that has been duly noted over the years (including here at FEE). The decisions will be in the hands of the few within some planning board or a cabinet of experts, i.e., the exact opposite of the promised democracy.
A system that is based on the public ownership of property, which is the definition of socialism, will always necessitate some form of central planning of what to do with that property. This means that that the decisions will be in the hands of the few within some planning board or a cabinet of experts, i.e., the exact opposite of the democracy and self-government by the people that democratic socialists are promising.

All of this was already explained three-quarters of a century ago, which shows that the idea of democratic socialism is not even a particularly novel one. Seventy-five years ago this month, The Road to Serfdom was released for the first time in the US. It had already published a few months earlier, in April 1944, in the UK, but it was in America that Friedrich August von Hayek’s most famous work would leave its greatest mark and become a classic of the 20th century.

Socialism to Totalitarianism
In the 250-page treatise, Hayek explains how socialism naturally leads to totalitarianism over time and how there is, in fact, no third way of peaceful socialism:

Few recognize that the rise of fascism and Marxism was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period but a necessary outcome of those tendencies.

The decisive question between the capitalist and socialist systems is who is in power. In the former, a system based on private property, everyone would be in charge of his own life, his own property, and what he or she wants to do with it. Indeed, noted Hayek, even the richest man on the planet would have very little power to tell someone else what to do. In a free society based on the rule of law, he would always need to resort to non-coercive means.

The results of this system were staggering. It resulted in “the marvelous growth of science,” individuals were freer than ever to pursue their own dreams, and “by the beginning of the twentieth century the working man in the Western world had reached a degree of material comfort, security and personal independence which 100 years before had hardly seemed possible.” But as that very material comfort increased, idealists and activists turned to new goals. In social justice and equality, they found their new ends that would need to be achieved.

Good Intentions Do Not Equal Good Results
That their intentions were good—and that the intentions of the socialists of today are good—is beyond doubt. And yet, good intentions are not enough. When Hayek wrote the book, Nazism wrecked the civilized world, and he thought that, accidentally, “many who sincerely hate all of Nazism’s manifestations are working for ideals whose realization would lead straight to the abhorred tyranny.” More centralization would ultimately lead to more power for the government.

Any society that wants to stay free, any society that wants to remain democratic, needs to see freedom for the individual and the community as its highest good and as the only goal the government should endow on its people. Once the individual becomes “merely a means to serve the ends of the higher entity called society or the nation,” or social justice, “most of those features of totalitarianism which horrify us follow of necessity.” Indeed, “what is promised to us as the Road to Freedom is in fact the Highroad to Servitude.”

Surely, democratic socialists would argue that this goes too far: One tax hike here and there and one nationalization or new regulatory package from time to time won’t eventually end in despotism. And yet, it wouldn’t just stay at these smaller policies. If those radicals have set out as their goal to achieve social justice, nothing will stop them but the achievement of this new highest goal, even if material equality turns out to be no more than equal poverty for all.

As market institutions are replaced one after another with centralized decision-making by the government, the less decision-making will stay for the individual and the voluntary community. More centralization would ultimately lead to more power for the government. And while socialists are busily trying to fix all the problems they have detected, they will inadvertently and increasingly trample the freedoms of individuals. The tyranny will arrive sooner or later.

The realization of the socialist program means the destruction of freedom.

As Hayek already argued 75 years before the age of Sanders, Warren, and AOC, “democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is simply not achievable.”
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#1533938 --- 09/14/19 02:17 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/politics/trump-farmers-bailout-trade-war/index.html

There are some types of socialism Trump loves


Meanwhile, he wants credit for those farm subsidies because his reelection strategy relies on rural states showing up for him.

Medicare, as he knows, is the third rail of US politics and older Americans, its beneficiaries, vote.

He'd love to lower interest rates to juice the stock market and sell the story of a strong economy even more.

There is certainly a line between Trump's nationalism and the socialism he warns against, but it is not as hard as he'd like you to think.
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#1533939 --- 09/14/19 02:22 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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https://theweek.com/articles/859422/trumps-trade-war-socialism

Trump's trade war socialism


The president has demonstrated his utter ignorance of all things trade from the get-go. He demonstrably cannot grasp how trade can be mutually beneficial and seems equally at a loss as to how tariffs actually work. He is constantly self-contradictory, going back and forth on whether trade wars are "easy to win" and vacillating in the span of two sentences on Thursday as to whether his standoff with China should be long or short.

In pairing slams on socialism with this policy of redistribution, he either adds another count of appalling ignorance to that list or engages in a rank and politically convenient hypocrisy. I'm not sure which is worse.
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#1533940 --- 09/14/19 02:28 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
That their intentions were good—and that the intentions of the socialists of today are good—is beyond doubt. And yet, good intentions are not enough.
That explains Trump totally
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#1533941 --- 09/14/19 02:35 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
If those radicals have set out as their goal to achieve social justice, nothing will stop them but the achievement of this new highest goal, even if material equality turns out to be no more than equal poverty for all.

As market institutions are replaced one after another with centralized decision-making by the government, the less decision-making will stay for the individual and the voluntary community. More centralization would ultimately lead to more power for the government. And while socialists are busily trying to fix all the problems they have detected, they will inadvertently and increasingly trample the freedoms of individuals. The tyranny will arrive sooner or later
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Therefore, we should abolish Social Security, Mediicare, and Medicaid. I think Republicans should run on that platform. LOL
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#1533942 --- 09/14/19 02:38 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/bad-news-worst-possible-time-trump-got-donald/20809/

Donald Trump just got bad news at the worst possible time


According to the latest report from Moody’s Analytics released this week, Trump’s trade war has already cost 300,000 American jobs – both due to company losses and jobs not created due to the rising prices and stagnation.

Going at its current pace, Trump’s economy could kill 450,000 jobs by the end of the year, and as many as 900,000 by the end of 2020 – consistent with an earlier projection that the economy next year may not grow far beyond one percent. America’s manufacturing sector is already in recession.
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#1533962 --- 09/15/19 09:28 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019...nald-trump.html

What Happens if Trump Won’t Step Down?


National security expert Josh Geltzer on why we should be prepared for the worst.

By DAHLIA LITHWICK SEPT 13, 2019
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#1533975 --- 09/16/19 06:35 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-refineries-drone-attack.html

The Iranian can read this ignorant president in the United States like a book. Trump has told the world that he is willing to reverse technology which BTW was pushed by his predecessors GW Bush and Barack Obama and go totally dependent on oil and not renewable energy. The idiot somehow falsely assume that his "Lock and Load" rhetoric will threaten our enemies, whereas in reality, they are touting him with the intentions of actually engaging the bully.

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#1533976 --- 09/16/19 07:03 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/stanley-b-greenberg/rip-gop/

One outstanding attribute to human and animal survival has been the ability to adapt to our environment. It seems that our fellow Conservatives can't get beyond the mindset of their forefather etc. the second amendment regard guns...NEW FLASH, the "British are't coming" yet 200 years later, they hide behind not muskets anymore but big assault weapons befitting a war conflict environment. They continue to subject minorities and Women to sub human standards all because of their convictions and beliefs that our country should be administered by old White men... RIP GOP and Conservatives

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#1533978 --- 09/16/19 08:12 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-refineries-drone-attack.html

The Iranian can read this ignorant president in the United States like a book. Trump has told the world that he is willing to reverse technology which BTW was pushed by his predecessors GW Bush and Barack Obama and go totally dependent on oil and not renewable energy. The idiot somehow falsely assume that his "Lock and Load" rhetoric will threaten our enemies, whereas in reality, they are touting him with the intentions of actually engaging the bully.

Spitting out contradictory messages. Gambling war will save his sorry ass. Impeach NOW.
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#1534038 --- 09/19/19 06:16 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Teonan]
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/politics/...ight/index.html


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...speech-n1056166



We have always known Trump to be an opportunist at any venue but to compromise the safety of America for personal gain is a new low. Worse yet, watch the GOP protect him and attempt to prevent it's content. Like turning out your own sister for a few dollars...the party has lost all sense of ethics and morality.

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#1534039 --- 09/19/19 06:37 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
If those radicals have set out as their goal to achieve social justice, nothing will stop them but the achievement of this new highest goal, even if material equality turns out to be no more than equal poverty for all.

As market institutions are replaced one after another with centralized decision-making by the government, the less decision-making will stay for the individual and the voluntary community. More centralization would ultimately lead to more power for the government. And while socialists are busily trying to fix all the problems they have detected, they will inadvertently and increasingly trample the freedoms of individuals. The tyranny will arrive sooner or later
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Therefore, we should abolish Social Security, Mediicare, and Medicaid. I think Republicans should run on that platform. LOL


Thanks for making the point, considering the Government has been stealing from Social security since at least the Clinton Admin.
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#1534040 --- 09/19/19 06:44 AM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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The government has been STEALING from the America public for decades but explain our 1.5 Billion dollar deficit which mind you, made no significant improvement to our health care or infrastructure......remember the days not long ago when Republicans touted fiscal responsibility?/// Hypocrite much?

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#1534041 --- 09/19/19 06:48 AM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-budget-deficit-3305783

Remember the quotes "our children will be saddled with this debt for years" How soon we forget wink

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#1534043 --- 09/19/19 06:53 AM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/...-gotten-nothing

Citation isn't really necessary but we have those among us that live a complete lie everyday, yet current lies were at one time the complete truth by virtue to logic, common sense and reality...all of which has departed the GOP.

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