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#1532825 --- 08/03/19 01:55 PM Re: health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Adam Barsouk
fox News and the Daily Caller! LOL

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Adam Barsouk is a cancer researcher, medical student, and science, medicine, and policy author. His work has been featured in Fox News, The Daily Caller,
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#1532828 --- 08/03/19 01:56 PM Re: health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Why "Medicare for All" Would Mean Quality Care for None
You can’t significantly cut costs without cutting quality.


Sunday, February 17, 2019

Adam Barsouk
I don't care as long as Trump is gone and our democracy is saved!
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#1532904 --- 08/06/19 12:47 PM Re: health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Trump Administration Plans to Legalize Importing Low-Cost Canadian Prescription Drugs

BY RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR / AP JULY 31, 2019

(WASHINGTON) — The Trump administration said Wednesday it will set up a system to allow Americans to legally import lower-cost prescription drugs from Canada, weakening a longstanding ban that had stood as a top priority for the politically powerful pharmaceutical industry.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar made the announcement Wednesday morning. Previous administrations had sided with the industry on importation, echoing its concerns that it could expose patients to risks from counterfeit or substandard medications. Azar, a former drug industry executive, said U.S. patients will be able to import medications safely and effectively, with oversight from the Food and Drug Administration. The administration’s proposal would allow states, wholesalers and pharmacists to get FDA approval to import certain medications that are also available here.

It’s unclear how soon consumers will see results.

Most patients take affordable generic drugs to manage conditions such as high blood pressure or elevated blood sugars. But polls show concern about the prices of breakthrough medications for intractable illnesses like cancer or hepatitis C infection, whose costs can run to $100,000 or more. And long-available drugs like insulin have also seen price increases that have forced some people with diabetes to ration their own doses.


“For too long American patients have been paying exorbitantly high prices for prescription drugs that are made available to other countries at lower prices,” Azar said in a statement that credited President Donald Trump for pushing the idea. The administration’s move comes as the industry is facing a crescendo of consumer complaints over prices, as well as legislation from both parties in Congress to rein in costs.


Trump is supporting a Senate bill to cap medication costs for Medicare recipients and require drugmakers to pay rebates to the program if price hikes exceed inflation. Democrats in the House are pressing for a vote on a bill allowing Medicare to directly negotiate prices on behalf of millions of seniors enrolled in its prescription drug plan. Separately, the Trump administration is pursuing a regulation that would tie what Medicare pays for drugs administered in doctors’ offices to lower international prices.

The importation idea won praise from a key lawmaker, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, chairman of the panel that oversees Medicare. Grassley said on Twitter that importation would lower prescription drug costs, and all drugs from abroad must be verified as safe by the FDA. He and Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota have a bill to facilitate importation.

Eyeing his reelection campaign, Trump has made lowering prescription drug prices one of his top goals. As a candidate, he called for allowing Americans to import prescription drugs, and recently he’s backed a Florida law allowing state residents to gain access to medications from Canada



Drug prices are lower in other economically advanced countries because governments take a leading role in setting prices. But in the U.S., Medicare is not permitted to negotiate with drug companies.

Some experts have been skeptical of allowing imports from Canada, partly from concerns about whether Canadian suppliers have the capacity to meet the demands of the much larger U.S. market. But consumer groups have strongly backed the idea, arguing that it will pressure U.S. drugmakers to reduce their prices. They also point out that the pharmaceutical industry is a global business and many of the ingredients in medications sold in the U.S. are manufactured abroad.


AARP had pushed hard for the Florida plan, saying it’s possible to safely import lower-priced, equally effective drugs and it would promote worldwide price competition.

The drug industry lobby, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, has successfully blocked past efforts in Washington to allow importation. It argues that patients would be at risk of receiving counterfeit or adulterated medications.


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#1532908 --- 08/06/19 01:01 PM Re: health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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(WASHINGTON) — The Trump administration said Wednesday it will set up a system to allow Americans to legally import lower-cost prescription drugs from Canada, weakening a longstanding ban that had stood as a top priority for the politically powerful pharmaceutical industry.
I thought Trump was bringing jobs back to the US? grin
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#1532909 --- 08/06/19 01:06 PM Re: health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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He is, workers to help permanently seal the coal mines he falsely stated that he would keep open. If he goes to Kentucky, he can talk the auto makers into re manufacturing a carburetor that gets 15 MPG
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#1532910 --- 08/06/19 01:08 PM Re: health care thread [Re: Formermac]
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#1532911 --- 08/06/19 01:15 PM Re: health care thread [Re: Formermac]
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#1532912 --- 08/06/19 01:56 PM Re: health care thread [Re: Formermac]
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#1532913 --- 08/06/19 02:21 PM Re: health care thread [Re: Formermac]
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Don't wait too long in anticipating your local representative or Presidential candidate to help you out in regard to drug prices. Our country is so absorb in name calling ie. Liberal/Conservative, that neither side is actually looking at results from either side. I'll ask the Republicans, are we so dumb to think that Trump created a turn around economy on his own or did Obama help in it's success? Secondly, if the country is now controlled by the White House and Senate which BTW was held entirely by the GOP, why wasn't a health reform created by the GOP? I'm being the devil's advocate in will emphatically state that people have become so blinded by lies, innuendos, misinformation etc. that politics has made us all illiterates. Most politician lie and will continue to do so. The best gauge is to look for honesty in the form of doing something instead of idle promises.... Name any advancement in terms of healthcare, infrastructure, education, crimes, mass killings, school bullying, corruption in the police force, cheaper gas prices, competitive drug prices etc.While preparing your next reason to deem Republicans better than Democrats, you best give something better than a damn cartoon but if that's all you have, just as we surmise....you're playing poker with a bad hand and as usual...do a lot of bluffing and bloviating. @ Ben, keep up the great posting of citing your findings. @ Cwjga Your next cartoon signifies that you do comprehend my facts but don't act surprise when one calls you a liar due to unpublished citation..


https://theintercept.com/2019/07/30/kamala-harris-big-pharma-donations/
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#1533162 --- 08/15/19 03:49 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
You and Trump are two lying peas in a pod.
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#1533247 --- 08/20/19 01:08 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/faceboo...iolating-rules/

Facebook finally yanks Trump ad after his campaign gets caught blatantly violating rules
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#1533339 --- 08/26/19 08:14 AM Re: health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Distorting the Doctor-Patient Relationship
Imagine knowing how much a medical procedure cost before undergoing it...


Arnold Ahlert · Aug. 26, 2019


Imagine an American going to the supermarket to buy a loaf of bread and, when discovering that it has no price marked on it, inquiring how much it cost — only to be asked a question in return: What type of food insurance do you have? Most people would consider such a scenario bizarre. Unfortunately, if one changes “loaf of bread” to “knee operation,” the rest of the story becomes quite familiar.

Why familiar? Because the same Americans who would be infuriated by such a scenario at the supermarket have long grown accustomed — or is that resigned — to the idea that price transparency for healthcare services is as elusive as the White Rabbit in Alice in Wonderland. This is no accident. Contrary to food pricing, there are a host of middlemen between the consumer and the provider whose own interests depend on obscuring those prices. Self-remunerating interests that often inflate the cost of healthcare. And because true transparency is anathema to those interests, the Trump administration’s effort to provide it is meeting stiff resistance.

In 2018, the administration released a rule requiring hospitals to post their “chargemaster” rates, or list the prices for their services online. For those unfamiliar with medical lingo, a chargemaster is “a list of all the billable services and items to a patient or a patient’s health insurance provider,” explains columnist Jacqueline LaPointe. “The chargemaster captures the costs of each procedure, service, supply, prescription drug, and diagnostic test provided at the hospital, as well as any fees associated with services, such as equipment fees and room charges.”

All of those charges require billing codes, and the costs they generate are the result of negotiations between hospitals and insurance providers. Right now both entities consider those negations to be proprietary and confidential — meaning the cost of something depends on the secret deal one’s particular insurance provider has made with the hospital.

The Trump administration wants to change that equation as well. If a new proposal is finalized, that secrecy would be eliminated and hospitals would be required to disclose those negotiated rates.

The reaction? Hospitals are insisting “the burden is excessive and will undermine the ability of insurers to secure discounts for their customers,” writes American Enterprise Institute fellow James C. Capretta. “Lawsuits aimed at blocking the rule might be coming soon.”

The players themselves? The American Hospital Association (AHA), the Federation of American Hospitals (FAH), America’s Essential Hospitals, the Association of American Medical Colleges, and the Children’s Hospital Association issued a joint statement asserting that the proposed rule “is a misguided attempt to improve price transparency for patients because it fails to give them the information they need. Disclosing the negotiated rate between insurers and hospitals will not help patients make decisions about their care. Instead, this disclosure could harm patients by reducing patient access to care. This is the wrong approach to price transparency, and the administration should reverse course on this provision.”

The Federal Trade Commission’s Office of Policy Planning agrees. “Too much transparency can harm competition in any industry, including health care,” its “experts” insist.

This is ostensibly due to the fact that healthcare providers compete to be on an insurance company’s list of providers, and when those networks are selective, providers offer lower prices to be included on the list. “But when providers know who the other bidders are and what they have bid in the past, they may bid less aggressively, leading to higher overall prices,” the OPP adds.

That’s only half the gamesmanship. As Capretta explains in a separate column, hospital billing codes are hardly layman-friendly, “because the terminology used is not intended for a lay audience.” He further explains that while current regulations require hospitals to provide the prices of component parts of their charges, they are not required to post “all in prices” for procedures that involve several components, such as “fees for the surgery, the anesthesia, the operating room, the lab tests, imaging services, and follow-up care” — all of which “involve multiple billing codes.”

Perhaps the first salient question might be: Why does the relationship between the provider and the middleman consume virtually the entire discussion about effective healthcare, while the actual consumer seemingly remains an afterthought? Moreover — and more important — why should prices for the exact same services vary, sometimes substantially, for that same consumer?

If insurance is a necessary evil, it can only be because the amount of money necessary to maintain a viable system of healthcare providers exceeds the ability of consumers to pay for maintaining it as a whole. Does it?

The question brings to mind the spiraling costs of college. Since colleges know the taxpayer is the ultimate underwriter of all student-loan defaults, they can — and have — raised the costs of tuition with impunity, because there is no incentive for them to do otherwise. That’s bad enough, but at least the student themselves, strapped by loans that are seriously affecting their lives, are concerned. By contrast, many healthcare consumers who complain about the cost of insurance have little to no concern regarding the actual price of healthcare, especially if they have a low-deductible policy.

Thus, unlike the direct consumer-provider relationship of buying food, most people are forced to cope with current provider-middleman-consumer dynamic — and politicians in both parties have become equally accustomed to addressing the first two components of that dynamic, while healthcare costs for the actual consumer continue to skyrocket.

In other words, the moneyed interests talk, and the American public walks — or limps, or hobbles to the best of their coping abilities.

Capretta provides some viable solutions, such as the government requiring hospitals to provide all-in rates, and requiring insurers to provide reference-based insurance payments that would standardize reimbursement rates to various providers, incentivizing patients to choose lower-cost providers, especially if they could pocket the difference between the standardized rate and the actual price. He also notes that there are “small pockets” in the country (such as Amish and Mennonite communities) where the actual consumer-provider relationship exists, and cash payments for services are made directly to hospitals by these religious groups, who don’t buy insurance.

Yet one is left to wonder why this direct consumer-provider relationship is the exception, not the rule. Certainly there are some costs that are beyond the consumer’s ability to pay, such as long-term care for debilitating diseases like cancer, but if there’s a role for both government and insurance providers, it would seem logical to work downwards, from the catastrophic to the ordinary, rather than lumping everything together — and negotiating rates in secret.

Unfortunately, the term “vested interests” didn’t arise out of thin air. Public comments on the administration’s latest proposal are due by Sept. 27, and the AHA has alluded to the possibility it will litigate, insisting the rule “misses the mark, exceeds the administration’s legal authority and should be abandoned.”

Nonsense. Genuine price transparency — and the elimination of discounts for the same services — are critical first steps in rebuilding a consumer-provider relationship that has been distorted for far too long. Some call it patient-centered healthcare.

Common sense is more like it.

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#1533341 --- 08/26/19 08:20 AM Re: health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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A Two-Step Plan for Price Transparency in Health Care
By James C. Capretta
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August 08, 2019 Pexels
The Trump administration recently issued a second hospital price transparency rule that builds upon the rule released last year requiring hospitals to post their “chargemaster” rates, or list prices, online. The new proposed rule, if finalized, would go a step further by requiring hospitals, beginning in 2020, to disclose the rates they have negotiated directly with insurance plans. Today, these private-payer rates are considered confidential and proprietary by both the hospital and insurance industries and are not made available to the public.

The rule requiring disclosure of chargemaster rates, which went into effect in January, is making it easier to find list prices for thousands of hospital billing codes, but this information is not terribly useful for most consumers. Hospitals offer discounts off of their list prices to insurance plans, and most patients have insurance. Hospitals sometimes use chargemaster rates when billing patients without insurance, but that is rare. Even many uninsured patients end up getting discounts when they settle their bills.


Tying price data to insurance billing codes also makes the information less relevant for consumers because the terminology used is not intended for a lay audience. Moreover, it is not possible for a consumer to find the “all in” prices for services that involve multiple billing codes. For instance, when a patient needs a hip replacement, there will be fees for the surgery, the anesthesia, the operating room, the lab tests, imaging services, and follow-up care. The current regulation requires hospitals to disclose pricing for the component parts but not for the full package, which is what would be relevant for consumers.

The administration’s new regulation would force the disclosure of the discounted rates paid by insurers and also would promote more consumer-friendly price data for a list of 300 “shoppable services.” Hospitals would be required to identify services that are more amendable to consumer discretion (because they can be scheduled) by using accessible descriptions and identifying prices for ancillary services that usually accompany a primary charge.

While this is a step in the right direction, it does not go far enough. Promoting a stronger consumer role will require far more disruption of the status quo. In particular, two steps are necessary: a required pricing list established by the federal government of strictly standardized services, and universal reference-based payments by insurance plans for services on the required pricing list.

The administration’s new regulation introduces the concept of a required pricing list but only tentatively. Consumers will only price shop if they can make, with minimal effort, apples-to-apples comparisons among competing suppliers. The federal government can facilitate consumer price shopping by establishing a required pricing list comprised of standardized services and discrete clinical interventions that are amendable to comparison shopping. The prices posted by providers for services on the list would be considered walk-up prices available to all consumers, regardless of their insurance status.

The prices posted also would be “all in” rates. Consumers would get all relevant services associated with an intervention at the stated price. There should be no surprise bills. For services that involve multiple parties (such as those involving a hospital and more than one physician), providers should be required to participate in coordinated pricing, so that consumers only have one bill covering the full episode of care. This may require providers to establish contractual relationships with each other that otherwise might not exist.

The second step is a system of universal reference-based payments by insurance plans.

Reference-based payments are a proven cost control strategy. In a typical design, the insurer examines the prices charged by competing providers for a standardized intervention, such as hip replacement surgery, and sets the amount of insurance reimbursement based on those posted prices. The plan payment is fixed at the reference price and does not change based on the price charged by the patient’s selected provider. Patients thus have strong incentives to select lower-cost providers; otherwise, they must pay out of pocket for any price differential above the reference amounts.

Congress should pass legislation requiring insurers to establish reference-based payments for all services on the required pricing list. The reference amounts should be based on the average amounts paid by insurers when supplied by in-network providers. Consumers using out-of-network suppliers of services would get a reference-based payment from their insurers. If the payment from an insurer is less the price of the service, the consumer would pay the difference out of his or her pocket. If the payment exceeded the price of a service, the patient would get to keep 100 percent of the excess payment.

A system of reference-based payments is critical to price transparency because it makes consumers price-sensitive across a wide array of services. Hospitals and doctors will only assign competitive prices to their services if consumers have incentives to select lower-priced care.

The combination of a required pricing list and reference-based payments would pave the way for vigorous price competition in the medical services market. An entrepreneurial provider could capture market share by offering walk-up prices that are lower than the prices negotiated by competitors participating in insurance-driven networks. The prices offered by such entrepreneurs would be publicly available and easily compared to prices offered by their competitors because of the standardization of what is being priced.

Further, insurers would be obligated to make payments to these entrepreneurial providers at their prevailing in-network rates, which would also be publicly available information. Consumers would thus be armed with easily obtainable information that would allow them to pocket 100 percent of the savings from any provider able to offer pricing below the prevailing in-network rates paid by insurers.

If insurers, through their negotiation with providers, are today securing the lowest possible prices for the services patients need, then this initiative would not produce meaningful savings relative to the status quo. But there is no reason to believe that is the case. There is wide agreement that the provision of medical care in the US is inefficient and wasteful, and certainly much of that waste is occurring within the boundaries of insurance-negotiated in-network rates. A new initiative built on standardized pricing and reference-based payments would make it financially rewarding for providers of medical care to cut out unnecessary costs and reduce their prices accordingly.

Not all medical services are amenable to consumer price shopping, but a significant portion could be, under the right circumstances.

The government could support a more active role for consumers by forcing those providing medical care to patients to disclose pricing for all care that might reasonably be amenable to comparison shopping. Those prices, for standardized services, could then be incorporated into insurance plan design to give patients strong incentives to seek out low-cost, high-quality providers and thus reduce their out-of-pocket costs. Over time, the combination of clear pricing for standardized services and the use of those prices in a universal system of reference-based payments would finally allow consumers to become a powerful force for higher-value care.

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#1533356 --- 08/26/19 12:01 PM Re: health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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What a joke.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-...ions-2019-04-01

Trump says no Republican health-care plan until after 2020 elections

Published: Apr 1, 2019 11:36 p.m. ET

President says plan will be cheaper, ‘more usable’ than ACA, but offers no details


President Donald Trump indicated Monday night that a new Republican health-care plan that he has boasted about in recent days won’t be voted on until after the 2020 elections.

In a series of tweets, Trump claimed the GOP plan — which does not yet exist — “will be far less expensive & much more usable than ObamaCare,” and that a vote would be held “right after the Election when Republicans hold the Senate & win back the House.”

Trump also said “Republicans will always support Pre-Existing Conditions,” though the wording of that could be interpreted as falling short of a promise to protect those with pre-existing conditions.
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#1534855 --- 10/16/19 10:40 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
Here is an earlier situation where I caught you totally wrong and you don't comment on it further. Pathetic.
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#1534856 --- 10/16/19 10:51 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
Here is an earlier situation where I caught you totally wrong and you don't comment on it further. Pathetic.


I said my peace. you turn every thread into a Trump rant. Of course, it's to be expected when you have your head so far up his behind you can't see anything else.

I can and have moved on, perhaps you can do so someday.

If you want to debate health options, I would be glad to do so. Otherwise let it go.

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#1534857 --- 10/16/19 11:17 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
Here is an earlier situation where I caught you totally wrong and you don't comment on it further. Pathetic.
I said my peace. you turn every thread into a Trump rant. Of course, it's to be expected when you have your head so far up his behind you can't see anything else.
I can and have moved on, perhaps you can do so someday.
If you want to debate health options, I would be glad to do so. Otherwise let it go.
You said your peace? I think maybe you meant piece, not peace? Let it go? I am sure you would like that since what you said is a flat out lie. I see that today is Trumps 1,000th day as president. And he has over 13,000 lies to his credit. You will never catch up.
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#1534858 --- 10/16/19 11:34 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
Here is an earlier situation where I caught you totally wrong and you don't comment on it further. Pathetic.


I said my peace. you turn every thread into a Trump rant. Of course, it's to be expected when you have your head so far up his behind you can't see anything else.

I can and have moved on, perhaps you can do so someday.

If you want to debate health options, I would be glad to do so. Otherwise let it go.



ROTFLMAO, of all people, you have the audacity to speak of his criticizing Trump, what have you done in his defense? hint before you speak, take a look at your number of postings, secondly if your premise is to speak of health care, why did you not take the opportunity to engage us on it's advantages, especially seeing that some of you qualify for Medicare. Lastly, I'll be more more than happy to discuss healthcare with you son...otherwise quit lying and YOU MOVE ON grin
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#1534859 --- 10/16/19 12:06 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
Here is an earlier situation where I caught you totally wrong and you don't comment on it further. Pathetic.
I said my peace. you turn every thread into a Trump rant. Of course, it's to be expected when you have your head so far up his behind you can't see anything else.
I can and have moved on, perhaps you can do so someday.
If you want to debate health options, I would be glad to do so. Otherwise let it go.
You said your peace? I think maybe you meant piece, not peace? Let it go? I am sure you would like that since what you said is a flat out lie. I see that today is Trumps 1,000th day as president. And he has over 13,000 lies to his credit. You will never catch up.


Nope, meant peace. And just because you say something over and over again does not make it so. You continue to make every thread a rant about Trump. He lives in your brain, you live in his behind.

Again if you want to discuss health care, I would be glad to, if not it would seem you are done here.

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#1534861 --- 10/16/19 12:12 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Nope, meant peace. And just because you say something over and over again does not make it so. You continue to make every thread a rant about Trump. He lives in your brain, you live in his behind.

Again if you want to discuss health care, I would be glad to, if not it would seem you are done here.
Peace makes no sense? Have you noticed when Trump says something he repeats it over and over again several times? It is still a lie. He also likes to say believe me. Fat chance of that. As I pointed out I only talked about Trump on one thread until you came along and said I hijacked every thread. A total lie. Nothing is more important than getting rid of Trump ASAP. The future of the greatest nation the world has ever known is at stake.


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