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#1532234 --- 07/17/19 01:50 PM Bens health care thread
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I pointed out one example of how it would be cheaper. Have you seen the salaries CEO's make? Sanders was just on TV saying next week he is going to Canada and buy insulin at 1/10 the price we pay here. Under their government run system of course. He is not my first choice for president but he brings out good points here.



Here you go, an appropriate thread. I know it is hard to do so you are welcome.

Did you know that drugs are not covered under the Canadian system? Except in the hospital. So your argument really does not hold water. How does adding government bureaucrats to the healthcare equation make it more efficient?
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#1532239 --- 07/17/19 02:25 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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How does adding government bureaucrats to the healthcare equation make it more efficient?
By eliminating this:

How much does the CEO of Unitedhealth make?

Business Week reports his annual salary as $14,518,164. For 2016, his compensation was estimated at $31.3 million, representing a 55.8 percent increase compared to 2015, which was estimated at $14,500,000 by FierceHealthcare. Forbes magazine ranked him at 269th in its 2009 Special Report on CEO Compensation.

How much does the CEO of Aetna make?

Aetna: 2017 Compensation For CEO Bertolini Neared $59 Million. Mark Bertolini, chief executive officer of Aetna Inc., received compensation in 2017 of nearly $59 million, much of it in stocks and options he exercised during the year, the health insurer said Friday in a regulatory filing.Apr 7, 2018

How much does the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield make?

Total compensation for Daniel Loepp, CEO of Blue Cross since 2006, hit $19.2 million in 2018. That was up from his $13.4 million payday in 2017 and $9 million in 2015. Loepp is now among the five highest-paid CEOs of any Blue Cross Blue Shield insurer in the nation.Mar 1, 2019

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#1532241 --- 07/17/19 02:37 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Did you know that drugs are not covered under the Canadian system? Except in the hospital.
No. I did not know that. But it sounds like the drugs are so cheap they may not be more than our co-pays down here.
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#1532248 --- 07/17/19 03:01 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
How does adding government bureaucrats to the healthcare equation make it more efficient?
By eliminating this:

How much does the CEO of Unitedhealth make?

Business Week reports his annual salary as $14,518,164. For 2016, his compensation was estimated at $31.3 million, representing a 55.8 percent increase compared to 2015, which was estimated at $14,500,000 by FierceHealthcare. Forbes magazine ranked him at 269th in its 2009 Special Report on CEO Compensation.

How much does the CEO of Aetna make?

Aetna: 2017 Compensation For CEO Bertolini Neared $59 Million. Mark Bertolini, chief executive officer of Aetna Inc., received compensation in 2017 of nearly $59 million, much of it in stocks and options he exercised during the year, the health insurer said Friday in a regulatory filing.Apr 7, 2018

How much does the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield make?

Total compensation for Daniel Loepp, CEO of Blue Cross since 2006, hit $19.2 million in 2018. That was up from his $13.4 million payday in 2017 and $9 million in 2015. Loepp is now among the five highest-paid CEOs of any Blue Cross Blue Shield insurer in the nation.Mar 1, 2019




So let's eliminate 125 million in salaries. The US spends 3.65 trillion on health. Not seeing how this would lower the cost of healthcare even a little. Even if the bureaucrats work for free.
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#1532249 --- 07/17/19 03:21 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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The US spends 3.65 trillion on health.
So why is insulin 10 times as high here as in Canada? I have heard it often said what the US spends on health care per person is twice what any other modern country pays. There is a huge amount of things that need to be investigated here.
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#1532252 --- 07/17/19 03:26 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Did you know that drugs are not covered under the Canadian system? Except in the hospital.
No. I did not know that. But it sounds like the drugs are so cheap they may not be more than our co-pays down here.


So if it is not the government that reduces the price of drugs in Canada, what is it. Unlike the 20 +/- Dem candidates that believe the only solution is a government take over, and why not they love to have power over what everyone does, I am willing to have a conversation.
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#1532253 --- 07/17/19 03:28 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
The US spends 3.65 trillion on health.
So why is insulin 10 times as high here as in Canada? I have heard it often said what the US spends on health care per person is twice what any other modern country pays. There is a huge amount of things that need to be investigated here.


Don't know, but clearly, it has nothing to do with people throwing money at the government. Maybe Bernie can tell you. Ha Ha
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#1532254 --- 07/17/19 03:29 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
The US spends 3.65 trillion on health.
So why is insulin 10 times as high here as in Canada? I have heard it often said what the US spends on health care per person is twice what any other modern country pays. There is a huge amount of things that need to be investigated here.


Clearly, it is not the salaries of CEOs.
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#1532256 --- 07/17/19 03:34 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
The US spends 3.65 trillion on health.
So why is insulin 10 times as high here as in Canada? I have heard it often said what the US spends on health care per person is twice what any other modern country pays. There is a huge amount of things that need to be investigated here.

Clearly, it is not the salaries of CEOs.
Right lets leave the minimum wage of $7.25 but give government bureaucrats a salary of 10 million dollars.

The current Republican Party consists of white guys making $700 an hour convincing guys who make $25 an hour that guys making $7 an hour are the problem.
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#1532257 --- 07/17/19 03:35 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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America is significantly outperforming Canada in surgery wait times even as it’s likely that tens of thousands of Canadians come here to get surgery.
Wednesday, July 17, 2019

Kevin Pham

Canadian Medicare, our northern neighbor’s universal health care system, generally receives rave reviews from proponents of nationalized or socialized health care, but the Fraser Institute found that more than 63,000 Canadians left their country to have surgery in 2016.

As Americans contemplate overturning our health system in favor of one similar to Canada’s, we must ask why so many leave.

The Canadian system consistently ranks low or lowest across numerous metrics in the Commonwealth Fund’s extensive survey on health care. With regards to specialists and surgeries, the United States ranked best or nearly best.

Timely Surgeries
The Fraser Institute study did not examine where Canadians traveled for surgery, but given proximity and our much better metrics, most probably came here.

Surgeries are scheduled after patients are seen by the surgeon, and most people see surgeons only after a referral by either their primary care physician in America, or their general practitioner in Canada. In the United States, 70 percent of patients are able to be seen by specialists less than four weeks after a referral. In Canada, less than 40 percent were seen inside of four weeks.

America is significantly outperforming Canada in surgery wait times even as it’s likely that tens of thousands of Canadians come here to get surgery.

After being advised that they need a procedure done, only about 35 percent of Canadians had their surgery within a month, whereas in the United States, 61 percent did. After four months, about 97 percent of Americans were able to have their surgery, whereas Canada struggled to achieve 80 percent.

America is significantly outperforming Canada in surgery wait times even as it’s likely that tens of thousands of Canadians come here to use the American system.

General surgery, procedures such as appendectomies, cholecystectomies, and hernia repairs, make up the largest portion of those who leave Canada for care. Based on the latest available date from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the total Canadian caseload for many of these procedures is about ten percent of America’s.

Private Coverage in Canada
America’s health system is certainly flawed and in need of reform, but there is clearly something working well enough that our system, despite already treating ten times more cases of appendicitis, can absorb the dissatisfied Canadians.

This has been a consistent trend since at least 2014 when an estimated 52,513 Canadians left for their medical care. In 2015, the number went down slightly to 45,619. 2016 exceeded the 2015 number with an estimated 63,459 patients seeking care elsewhere.

Moreover, both countries have had comparable rates of private health insurance coverage for the past 20 years, roughly 60-70 percent. But the Canadian private insurance market is entirely supplemental—it covers co-payments for services not covered or not entirely covered by the provincial insurance.

In America, private insurance is the norm and Medicare and Medicaid provide a health insurance safety net for elderly or low-income Americans.

Primary coverage, which is the predominant form of insurance in America, is all but illegal in Canada and would be under “Medicare for All” as well.

In the United States, government insurance covers gaps left by the private market. Private insurance is the norm and Medicare and Medicaid provide a health insurance safety net for elderly or low-income Americans.

In Canada, government-provided Medicare is the primary form of insurance, and private plans merely fill in gaps in coverage for those with more disposable income or employee benefits. The two systems are mirror opposites of one another.

Reform for More Flexibility
Health care is a product of the labor of physicians, nurses, technicians, and a whole ecosystem of health care workers. If making the government the primary payer for these services is so smart, why does the universal system next door shed patients by the tens of thousands to ours?

American health care can be improved and should be; American health care performs about middle-of-the-pack for many other items on the Commonwealth Fund survey. The administration already has loosened some regulations that will give employers more flexibility in providing health benefits and has pushed for price transparency.
There are many inefficiencies, often government-imposed, that increase the cost of health care and restrict the insurance market.

The administration already has loosened some regulations that will give employers more flexibility in providing health benefits and has begun to push for price transparency, which also should bring down costs.

Whatever the case may be, reforming American health care should focus on enabling our strengths. Under no circumstance should we tear it down and build it anew to resemble the system whose citizens escape by the tens of thousands just to be treated in a timely manner.
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#1532262 --- 07/17/19 04:12 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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You know something. I am not real concerned about what kind of health care system we end up with. Getting rid of Trump is the only thing I am concerned about. We will then spend a number of years getting America back to normal. If Trump is re-elected our 240 year experiment in democracy is over. The fact that you don't understand that I find mind-blowing.
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#1532280 --- 07/18/19 07:01 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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You know something. I am not real concerned about what kind of health care system we end up with. Getting rid of Trump is the only thing I am concerned about. We will then spend a number of years getting America back to normal. If Trump is re-elected our 240 year experiment in democracy is over. The fact that you don't understand that I find mind-blowing.


What I find mind-blowing is that Trump is so far up your a--brain you can not have a conversation about anything without making it about Trump.

Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
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#1532283 --- 07/18/19 07:18 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.


Edited by Ben444 (07/18/19 09:59 AM)
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#1532284 --- 07/18/19 07:19 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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What I find mind-blowing is that Trump is so far up your a--brain you can not have a conversation about anything without making it about Trump.
Trump will destroy our democracy unless he is stopped. Nothing else is very important compared to that.
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#1532294 --- 07/18/19 12:12 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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What I find mind-blowing is that Trump is so far up your a--brain you can not have a conversation about anything without making it about Trump.
Trump will destroy our democracy unless he is stopped. Nothing else is very important compared to that.


so you don't care about peoples healthcare, you are most certainly a dem.

it is just about trump
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#1532296 --- 07/18/19 01:28 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
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What I find mind-blowing is that Trump is so far up your a--brain you can not have a conversation about anything without making it about Trump.
Trump will destroy our democracy unless he is stopped. Nothing else is very important compared to that.

so you don't care about peoples healthcare, you are most certainly a dem.

it is just about trump
No. Trump is destroying Obamacare. Trump is so insecure he has to destroy anything with Obama's name on it. He says the Republican plan will be better but it is just another Trump lie as they have no plan of their own. All other Republicans in congress admit this. Will you guys ever learn?


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#1532297 --- 07/18/19 01:29 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
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#1532307 --- 07/18/19 02:38 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
No comment? I figured as much. LOL
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#1532310 --- 07/18/19 03:50 PM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
Please note that the last person to post in Headline News was the "person" who said at 7:01 AM today that I hi-jack all the threads. And that person have posted numerous times since then but they don't comment on this because they would look so foolish. ROFLMAO.


Edited by Ben444 (07/18/19 05:17 PM)
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#1532320 --- 07/19/19 11:19 AM Re: Bens health care thread [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
Originally Posted By: cwjga
Why the moderators let you hi-jack every thread, I do not Know.
What? Every thread? LOL I had only posted on this single Great Debate thread for weeks until you came back and got Headline News going again! You tell the truth about as much as that guy in the White House.
How about a comment on this lie of yours?
Still hi-jacking the Headline News thread I see. Tsk. Tsk.
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