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#1531610 --- 06/16/19 09:09 AM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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Pay attention, now... I said "they INEVITABLY leak"... and they DO.

Also, I fully concur that the specific ag-runoff found in our area is also and issue, just not one that possesses anywhere near the potential for environmental catastrophe... and it DOESN'T.


All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners

Now, any MORE foolish comments?
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#1531624 --- 06/16/19 07:12 PM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Pay attention, now... I said "they INEVITABLY leak"... and they DO.

Also, I fully concur that the specific ag-runoff found in our area is also and issue, just not one that possesses anywhere near the potential for environmental catastrophe... and it DOESN'T.


All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners

Now, any MORE foolish comments?
Where is the evidence of groundwater contamination? Not showing up in monitoring wells! Do you know what is left in a landfill after about 12 to 15 years? Nothing! Except plastic,glass and metal! All contaminants are washed away in the leachate! Why do you think some old landfills are mined to recover the metals? I think you are making yourself out to be the fool!

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#1531661 --- 06/22/19 11:56 AM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Where is the evidence of groundwater contamination? Not showing up in monitoring wells! Do you know what is left in a landfill after about 12 to 15 years? Nothing! Except plastic,glass and metal! All contaminants are washed away in the leachate! Why do you think some old landfills are mined to recover the metals? I think you are making yourself out to be the fool!

What does mining have to do with the fact that ALL landfills EVENTUALLY lose containment?

Can you even read???


Try again:

All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners
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#1531665 --- 06/22/19 08:40 PM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Where is the evidence of groundwater contamination? Not showing up in monitoring wells! Do you know what is left in a landfill after about 12 to 15 years? Nothing! Except plastic,glass and metal! All contaminants are washed away in the leachate! Why do you think some old landfills are mined to recover the metals? I think you are making yourself out to be the fool!

What does mining have to do with the fact that ALL landfills EVENTUALLY lose containment?

Can you even read???


Try again:

All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners
My point bonehead is after 12 years or so there are no contaminants left and they are mining old landfills which proves there are no contaminants! I noticed you aren't answering my question that if liners are leaking like you propose why isn't it showing up in monitoring wells.You are correct I do not read the crap you post because it comes from tree hugging liberals like you!

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#1531731 --- 06/26/19 03:04 PM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
My point bonehead is after 12 years or so there are no contaminants left and they are mining old landfills which proves there are no contaminants! I noticed you aren't answering my question that if liners are leaking like you propose why isn't it showing up in monitoring wells.You are correct I do not read the crap you post because it comes from tree hugging liberals like you!

WHO'S the bonehead here?

I certainly DID answer you, with two highly reputable sources that offer extensive research and study on the matter. Or are you saying that Harvard University, The EPA and The USGS got the SCIENCE all wrong? I'll take the expert, peer-reviewed conclusions of preeminent environmental scientists G. Fred and Anne Jones Lee over any industry apologist (like you) ANY day. Furthermore, I said that "all landfills eventually leak," I did NOT say that the example you chose to cherry-pick is CURRENTLY leaking. But... given time, it most certainly WILL leak (if it isn't already). That is the inevitable outcome of all landfills. The science is quite conclusive on the issue.

Now here, ignore these facts too:


http://www.calwater.ca.gov/Admin_Record/C-036267.pdf

https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-040-03/
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#1531736 --- 06/27/19 09:14 AM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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Are you seriously suggesting that the precious and heavy metals that are being reclaimed haven't already begun to leech into the fill mass by the time mining begins?

Of course they do, so your statement that there are no contaminants is complete nonsense.

Then there's the issue of methane, toxic medical waste, lead, mercury, asbestos, polychlorinated biphenyls, and pathogens such as bacteria and viruses as well as other volatile organic compounds (from moldering). Even with the best controls, the mining process from most landfills can release tons of methane.

Even though methane-capture remediates SOME of the gases, tons of greenhouse gasses still find their way into the atmosphere which otherwise would be generally trapped below the surface. There are other toxins and pathogens which inevitably wind up being released when burning the captured gas, of which even trace amounts can be disastrous.

LFMR is still highly controversial AND debatable, even within the landfill industry itself, and is rarely economically profitable, to boot.
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#1531780 --- 06/29/19 10:47 PM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: Timbo]
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Almost all contaminants have been washed away in the leachate years before. Also how would methane be present in old landfills when there are no organics left? I would be very interested for you to show me the evidence of widespread groundwater contamination in monitoring wells in landfills that are lined. I might even read that! LOL!

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#1531785 --- 06/30/19 02:00 PM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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They have NOT been "washed away", that's the whole point. Now read the academic data.

If you can't debate without moving the goalpost by shifting the criteria each and every time your argument falls flat, don't bother wasting my time.

Now do your OWN homework. If you can't be bothered, then we'll just let your undisguised pride in your ignorance speak for itself.
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#1531786 --- 06/30/19 02:04 PM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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OR... show me the credible academic/scientific evidence that proves that "almost all contaminants have been washed away in the leachate years before", as you incorrectly claim.

Besides, even trace amounts of common landfill contaminants can create environmental catastrophes.

Now, chop-chop, you've got your (home)work cut out for you.


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#1531794 --- 07/01/19 10:49 AM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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< Cue theme-song to "Jeopardy" >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWuQVpBeqLs
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#1531944 --- 07/06/19 09:19 PM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

They have NOT been "washed away", that's the whole point. Now read the academic data.

If you can't debate without moving the goalpost by shifting the criteria each and every time your argument falls flat, don't bother wasting my time.

Now do your OWN homework. If you can't be bothered, then we'll just let your undisguised pride in your ignorance speak for itself.

Not moving anything! Waiting for you to show me proof of groundwater contamination from monitoring wells at local landfills You can't do it and you know it! If the liners are leaking as you state where is the evidence? Put up or shut up!

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#1531971 --- 07/08/19 12:25 AM Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
"Waiting for you to show me proof..." " Put up or shut up!"

Oh, puhleeze! Look who's talking.

You're looking for me to prove something that I NEVER said. I, on the other hand, expect you back up that which you DID.

Idget!
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