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#1525827 --- 03/14/19 01:51 AM Catholic church
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Has the Catholic Church committed the worst crime in U.S. history?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...m=.6770c408c1d7


By George F. Will
Columnist
March 13 at 5:14 PM
PHILADELPHIA

“Horseplay,” a term used to denote child rape, is, says Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, part of a sinister glossary of euphemisms by which the Catholic Church’s bureaucracy obfuscates in documents the church’s “pattern of abuse” and conspiracy of silence “that goes all the way to the Vatican.” “Benevolent bishops” are those who allow predatory priests, shuffled from other dioceses, to continue as priests.

The fuse for the national explosion of fury about sexual abuse by Catholic clergy was lit in Boston — the excellent 2015 movie “Spotlight” recounts the Boston Globe’s victory over the stonewalling Catholic hierarchy in 2001 and 2002. But the still-reverberating detonation occurred last August in a Pennsylvania grand jury’s report on the sexual abuse by approximately 300 priests of at least 1,000 victims in six dioceses in the state.

Seven months later, the nationwide stonewalling and coverup continue by the church that, Shapiro says, has resisted discovery “every step of the way.” And “bishops are still involved.” The church fought his office’s jurisdiction and fought the release of the report with its sickening details of, for example, giggling priests photographing and fondling boys, and “whips, violence and sadism.”

Shapiro says his being Jewish has not adversely affected public perceptions of his office’s scrutiny of the church. This might be because of credible reports about a boy being raped and then forced into a confessional to confess his sin. Or a boy having his mouth washed out with holy water after oral sex.

The church’s crime wave is global. A French cardinal is convicted of concealing decades of sexual abuse by a priest in his jurisdiction; The Post reports how clerical pedophiles “preyed on the most isolated and submissive children” at an institute for the deaf in Argentina. Scrutiny of Latin America, from which today’s pope came, will be interesting.

'The church has not been victim-centered': Women speak about sex abuse in Catholic Church
Ahead of a Vatican summit on sex abuse, activists fighting to stop the phenomenon in the Roman Catholic Church spoke Feb. 19 in Rome. (Reuters)

In the United States, the acid drizzle of stomach-turning revelations might become a deluge now that 45 states’ attorneys general have contacted Shapiro about possible investigations in their states. It is highly unlikely that the abuses and conspiracies of silence about them are confined to Pennsylvania. Asked whether this might be, cumulatively, the worst crime in U.S. history, Shapiro says: perhaps, considering the power of the guilty institution, the scale and prolonged nature of the crime, and the “sophisticated criminal coverup.” He speaks of charging the guilty — when possible; many predatory priests have died, and statutes of limitations shield others — “the way you would typically charge the mob.”


An issue that used to bedevil Western nations — negotiating the border between the powers of civil authorities and the church’s prerogatives of self-governance — has been settled in favor of the former. So, when other states’ attorneys general consult with him, Shapiro says “do not trust the church” about voluntarily surrendering archives. The Justice Department has put dioceses on notice about preserving records concerning such things as the shuffling of predatory priests to benevolent bishops.

In November, a much-anticipated meeting of U.S. bishops in Baltimore concerning sexual abuse was neutered by the Vatican, and Pope Francis’s February meeting on the subject produced nothing reassuring. In the United States, the unfolding story — Shapiro says this is “only the third or fourth inning” — will involve legislating. Pennsylvania might open “a civil window” for suing the church, a measure fiercely resisted by the insurance industry that has sold liability policies to dioceses.

“The Faith is Europe and Europe is the Faith,” said the Catholic writer Hilaire Belloc in 1920, a statement wisely construed by Georgetown University professor emeritus James V. Schall, S.J.: “Europe is where Old Testament, New Testament, and Greek and Roman traditions melded. . . . Catholic origins united [Europe] under common assumptions about what life, liberty, God, man, and cosmos were about.” It is therefore momentous that the church is in perhaps the worst self-inflicted and self-prolonged crisis since the Reformation.


Many common locutions — e.g., “Catholic Italy” and “Catholic Ireland” — no longer denote anything real. In the United States, the most religious modern nation, Catholics are leaving their religious affiliation at a higher rate than any other Christian sect. In December, Illinois’s attorney general said the church in that state concealed the names of all but 185 of the 690 priests accused of sexual abuses. The former archbishop in the nation’s capital, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, came to Washington from Pittsburgh. The church’s leaders, says Shapiro, “have shown over decades, centuries really, a focus on protecting the power of their institution.”

In a homily last September, the pope discerned something satanic in the sexual abuse scandal. He meant, however, that “the Great Accuser,” a.k.a. Satan, was attacking the pope’s bishops.

Read more from George F. Will’s archive or follow him on Facebook.

Read more:

Karen Liebreich: The Catholic Church has a long history of child sexual abuse and coverups

Elizabeth Bruenig: The Catholic Church is embroiled in a hell of its own making

The Post’s View: The Vatican finally needs to offer more than thoughts and prayers on sexual abuse

Elizabeth Bruenig: Even as the Catholic Church claims to come clean, something is not right

The Post’s View: The Catholic Church proves incapable of exorcising clergy sex abuse — again

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#1526045 --- 03/17/19 12:54 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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Charles Jay Sykes is an American political commentator who is currently editor-in-chief of the website The Bulwark. From 1993 to 2016, Sykes hosted a conservative talk show on WTMJ in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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Re-upping this from May: "We should be clear about this. John McCain haunts the Trump White House, not because of his votes or policy disagreements, but because he represents the man that Donald Trump cannot ever be."
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#1526053 --- 03/17/19 01:36 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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More ProfHelen Retweeted ProfHelen

We need 3 things to enforce the Federal Judge’s ruling

1) A deadline for reuniting ALL the children w/ their families

2) Severe consequences for the Administration’s failure to comply.

3) Referral of the Administration to The Hague Criminal Court, with accompanying visas


ProfHelen @Helenhs

A Federal Judge orders Trump to return ALL kidnapped children & reunite them w/ their family.

Reports find 1,000’s more migrant children were ripped from their parent…
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#1526254 --- 03/19/19 03:33 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres...n-power-n984911


Schiff: Real question is if Trump is under the influence of a foreign power
Whether Mueller will answer that question is unclear. But House Intel Chair Adam Schiff said he is steering his probe in a new direction to focus on it.
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#1526694 --- 03/23/19 05:12 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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Tennesseine @Tennesseine 1 hour ago

Everything you need to know about organized religion can be summed up by the fact that no responsible parent would ever leave his or her child alone with a priest or preacher
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#1527230 --- 04/01/19 05:17 AM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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Pope Francis: “The builders of walls with blades that cut, with knives or with bricks, will become prisoners of the walls they make. History tells us that."
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#1528482 --- 04/17/19 02:30 AM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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Kristan Higgins @Kristan_Higgins 10 hours ago

Speaking as a Catholic here…please don't donate to help Notre Dame. The Church is worth $30 billion. Donate to help Puerto Rico recover. Donate to get the people of Flint clean water. Donate to get kids out of cages. Jesus didn't care about stained glass. He cared about humans.
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#1528567 --- 04/18/19 03:11 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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Tennesseine @Tennesseine 1 hour ago

Everything you need to know about organized religion can be summed up by the fact that no responsible parent would ever leave his or her child alone with a priest or preacher
Absolutely! Or an Imam. Pedophilia is rampant within Islamic culture. Of course no lefty worth his salt will acknowledge that.

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#1528893 --- 04/22/19 05:11 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Deepblue5562]
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...ing/3507437002/

More Americans than ever are leaving the Catholic Church after the sex abuse scandal. Here's why.


Lindsay Schnell, USA TODAY Published 11:24 a.m. ET April 22, 2019 | Updated 5:09 p.m. ET April 22, 2019
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#1528984 --- 04/24/19 03:09 AM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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Muslim mosques were bombed in New Zealand. This made the Muslims very mad so they bombed Christian church's in Sri Lanka. A lot of wars are started because my god is the one true god and yours is a false god.
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#1529580 --- 05/03/19 03:49 AM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/this-me...nment-from-god/

This megachurch pastor cast out ‘demonic networks’ at the White House and said Trump is carrying out an ‘assignment’ from God


Cody Fenwick, AlterNet CODY FENWICK, ALTERNET
02 MAY 2019 AT 21:36 ET

At the White House’s National Day of Prayer event on Thursday, leaders in different religions had the chance to speak before attendees and deliver a brief message or invocation from their faith traditions. But one speaker stood out among all the rest, the woman who is said to be Trump’s spiritual adviser and personal pastor.

Her name is Paula White, the leader of an evangelical megachurch in Florida and advocate of the prosperity gospel — a widely disparaged creed that offers the promises of present-day riches in exchange for spiritual devotion and faith. It’s a belief system with striking parallels — and often is an outright cover for — financial scams. (“As recently as last year,” the Guardian reported in March, “White encouraged members of her congregation to send their first month’s salary to her ministry to enjoy God’s blessings.”)

While the other speakers approached the lectern and spoke solemnly and calmly, White barreled up to the microphone and began immediately speaking a mile a minute, telling the audience to grab each other hands.

And despite her cheerful demeanor, her speech struck some dark and ominous notes.

“We are not wrestling against flesh and blood but against principalities, wickedness and darkness, so we declare every demonic network to be scattered right now,” she said. “We declare right now that there is a hedge of protection over our president, first lady, every assignment, the purpose they carry and the mantle.”

She continued: “And like the apostle, apostle Paul, said in Galatians: ‘I was set apart from my mother’s whom, and marked off by boundaries.’ For let him fulfill all the will of the Lord and do the assignment God has carried him to do for your great name, for your great nation and all your people in the world.”

It was a small peek inside the relationship between Trump and White, who has owned an apartment in one of Trump’s buildings for years, The Guardian has reported. She told the outlet that her meeting and forming a relationship with Trump was an ‘assignment” from God.

She has defended the president at some of his lowest movements, such as the revelations around his abusive migrant family separation policy and his deadly neglect of Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria, giving cover for him with his crucial evangelical base. She has also advised him on policy, according to the Guardian, such as the decision to move the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
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#1529586 --- 05/03/19 04:15 AM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://shareblue.com/trump-national-day-of-prayer-service/

Trump brags people are 'using the word God again' because of him
By Emily Singer - May 2, 2019

Trump used a solemn celebration of prayer to claim no one was saying 'God' before he was in office.

As anyone who has taken a civics class knows, the First Amendment — which grants everyone in the United States freedom of speech and religion — is a cornerstone of American democracy.

Which is what makes Trump's claim at the National Day of Prayer Service on Thursday that people can finally say the word "God" again now that he's president absolutely ridiculous.

"One of the things that Mike [Pence] and I were discussing just a little while ago, people are so proud to be using that beautiful word, 'God,'" Trump said in a speech in the White House Rose Garden. "And they're using the word 'God' again, and they're not hiding from it, and they're not being told to take it down, and they're not saying we can't honor God."

Of course, there was never a rule before he became took office that you couldn't use the word "God," nor was there any kind of national fear of using the word.

In fact, former President Barack Obama often invoked God in his speeches.

Just a cursory search of Obama's speeches while he was in office show multiple uses of the word "God."

For example, in a heartfelt speech on the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights marches in Alabama from Selma to Montgomery, Obama invokes God multiple times.

"What enormous faith these men and women had," Obama said of the marchers. "Faith in God, but also faith in America."

Also in 2015, after the horrific shooting at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, Obama delivered a eulogy for the reverend killed by the racist shooter Dylann Roof.

"We are here today to remember a man of God who lived by faith," Obama said of the Rev. Clementa Pinckney. "A man who believed in things not seen, a man who believed there were better days ahead off in the distance, a man of service, who persevered knowing full-well he would not receive all those things he was promised, because he believed his efforts would deliver a better life for those who followed."

There are countless other examples, but the point is clear: Neither Obama nor presidents before him told Americans they couldn't use the word "God."

Trump's ludicrous comment was then followed by another one of Trump's ridiculous claims: that no one could say "Merry Christmas" before he was in office.

"Four years ago, haven't been doing this so long, we did a good job, but when I first started campaigning people were not allowed or in some cases foolishly ashamed to be using on stores 'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy Christmas,'" Trump said.

"Take a look at your stores nowadays, it's all 'Merry Christmas' again," Trump said.

Again, it seems ridiculous to point out that no one was blocked from saying or using the words "Merry Christmas" in their stores.

Add another few lies to Trump's tally — which now stands at more than 10,000 since he took office.
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#1529695 --- 05/04/19 11:42 AM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/ag-bill...ans-corruption/

AG Bill Barr has ties to ultra-conservative Catholic Opus Dei — and that could explain his ‘ends justify the means’ corruption


in an extensive post at the Daily Kos, contributor Frank Cocozzelli connects the dots between Attorney General Bill Barr’s previous work with the ultra-conservative Catholic organization Opus Dei and his recent behavior, and suggests that relationship might have influenced his decision to give President Donald Trump a pass after reviewing a highly critical report from special counsel Robert Mueller.

According to the writer, and as noted by Barr’s own answers to a congressional questionnaire, Barr served as a director of the Catholic Information Center (2014-1017), director of the Ethics and Public Policy Center (2004-2009). The CIC “serves as Opus Dei’s de facto Washington, D.C. base of operations. Its staff and board of directors are stocked with members of the personal prelature”s members (as well as members of the Ethics and Public Policy Center),” Cocozzelli wrote before adding, “is hard to imagine any director of CIC not having some sort of developed relationship with Opus Dei.”
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#1529741 --- 05/05/19 05:03 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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"People deserve a God who is bigger than Franklin Graham’s and Mike Pence's and Sarah Sander's and Jerry Falwell's and the GOP's God. Their God is small and terrified—and it suspiciously resembles them."
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#1529758 --- 05/06/19 02:40 AM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/here-is...ristian-nation/

Here is how the Founding Fathers ensured America would not be a Christian nation
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#1529797 --- 05/06/19 04:15 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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If the churches want to get involved in politics then they should pay taxes
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#1529852 --- 05/07/19 01:41 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/bill-al...cy-becomes-law/

Bill allowing public schools to teach ‘Biblical content’ to understand ‘public policy’ becomes law


Civil rights group warns new law is “part of Project Blitz, a coordinated attempt by the Religious Right to enshrine Christian nationalism in our schools.”
Georgia Republican Governor Brian Kemp has signed into law a bill that will allow the teaching of the New and Old Testaments of the Bible in public schools. SB 83, as passed, says it’s designed to teach “knowledge of biblical content, characters, poetry, and narratives that are prerequisites to understanding contemporary society and culture, including literature, art, music, mores, oratory, and public policy.”

It’s clear the bill’s authors believe America is based on the Christian Bible, given the inclusion of “public policy” in the legislation’s text.
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#1529853 --- 05/07/19 01:44 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/trump-l...ocal-newspaper/

Trump-loving evangelical Jerry Falwell Jr. gets ruthlessly mocked in local newspaper


Virginia’s Roanoke Times on Tuesday published a column brutally mocking Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr., which sarcastically branded him “the funniest comedian since George Carlin.”

Over the weekend, Falwell wrote on Twitter that Trump deserved “reparations” for the Mueller probe — in the form of two years being added to his term in office. Trump himself appeared to endorse the idea by retweeting it
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#1529945 --- 05/08/19 04:39 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/conserv...t-as-president/

Conservative Max Boot makes the case for an ‘an unapologetic atheist’ as president


Conservative Washington Post columnist Max Boot is proposing a very non-conservative idea: an atheist as president. While most conservatives observe right-leaning Christian ideology, Boot wants to lose it.

It’s unclear what President Donald Trump’s actual beliefs are, but it’s clear he hasn’t read enough of the Bible to know anything about it, talk about it or quote it. But Trump tries to pretend he’s a holy man, placating to the religious right, which is neither religious nor right.
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#1529949 --- 05/08/19 05:58 PM Re: Catholic church [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/05/church-people-are-shtty-megachurch-pastor-gives-up-on-christianity/

‘Church people are sh*tty’: Megachurch pastor gives up on Christianity


Missouri megachurch pastor Dave Gass stepped down from his position after 40 years and renounced his Christian faith, reported the Christian Post.

“After 40 years of being a devout follower, 20 of those being an evangelical pastor, I am walking away from the faith. Even though this has been a massive bomb drop in my life, it has been decades in the making,” he tweeted.

The tweets have since been made private, but a screenshots of the tweets were posted on Reddit.

“When I was in 8th grade and I was reading Greek mythology, it dawned on me how much of the supernatural interactions between the deity of the Bible and mankind sounded like ancient mythology. That seed of doubt never went away,” he added.

It went on to explain that even though he was a committed Christian that it could not help or save his marriage.

“I was fully devoted to studying the scriptures. I think I missed maybe 12 Sundays in 40 years. I had completely memorized 18 books of the Bible and was reading through the bible for the 24th time when I walked away,” he wrote.

“As an adult my marriage was a sham and a constant source of pain for me. I did everything I was supposed to – marriage workshops, counseling, Bible reading together, date nights every week, marriage books – but my marriage never became what I was promised it would be,” he said.

He then added that the church was a place of abuse for him, and that church people are “sh*tty” people.

“The entire system is rife with abuse. And not just from the top down, sure there are abusive church leaders, but church leaders are abused by their congregants as well. Church people are just sh*tty to each other,” he tweeted.

Adding, “I spent my entire life serving, loving, and trying to help people in my congregations. And the lies, betrayal, and slander I have received at the hands of church people left wounds that may never heal.”
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