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#1544107 --- 03/18/20 10:36 AM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/feds-10...igT1Vb6aQ5XpJFk

Feds’ 100-page coronavirus plan warns it will ‘last 18 months’ and cause ‘critical shortages’: report
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#1544177 --- 03/19/20 07:56 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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You’re asking Yourselves,”Why is the media making this out to be such a big deal?” Well this is the best explanation I have seen so far & this is why everything has to shut down, even though it's incredibly painful.

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Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...

It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not smart right now.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on.
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#1544213 --- 03/19/20 01:29 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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#1544214 --- 03/19/20 01:40 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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I attempt to protect my health but simultaneously watch my financial portfolio take another huge ding this morning, I'm feeling an ulcer ensuing if I'm not careful. A lesson learned, wealth come and go but true happiness is not contingent on money but more so on family, friends, love ones and quality of mental mindset.
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#1544217 --- 03/19/20 02:19 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Formermac]
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As Congress take the time to appropriate a trillion dollar for relief, where is the relief on the part of the Federal government who has our money already for such disasters? OH I forgot, Trump shut down agencies which are designed for global and national responses and diverted those monies to a wall. Well the on the positive side, our military personell can respond....wait...he stole their monies as well to build the wall.
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#1544534 --- 03/22/20 03:59 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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thank you to all working to solve a world crisis. From everyday people to business to government working together.

That having been said every politician that sold stock after receiving their briefing should be thrown out of Washington immediately

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#1544535 --- 03/22/20 04:13 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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It's refreshing to be on the same plain today

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4885...-crashed-market
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#1544776 --- 03/25/20 07:45 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trumps-...ll-kill-people/

Trump’s in way over his head and his own businesses are failing — and his desperate flailing will kill people
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#1544809 --- 03/26/20 03:41 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/tip-of-...ing-depression/

‘Tip of the iceberg’: Experts warn record 3.28 million jobless claims could signal coming depression

“We are about to experience something we cannot really imagine,” tweeted HuffPost reporter Zach Carter in response to the numbers.

Economists told the Washington Post that the “widespread carnage” of Thursday’s initial numbers were just the beginning of what could be an unprecedented 40 million Americans out of work by April.
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#1544848 --- 03/27/20 12:14 AM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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Dorothy:

If we EVER get to the other side of this crisis, one thing will be crystal clear: Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA, will have been personally responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS of his own citizens, either through indolence, inaction, ineptitude, or malfeasance.
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#1545098 --- 03/30/20 02:25 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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US Allows Emergency Use of Possible Coronavirus Treatment
a pharmacist holds up a package of hydroxychloroquine called Plaquenil


A drug President Donald Trump backed as a possible “game changer” in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic received an emergency-use designation from U.S. regulators.

The Health and Human Services Department accepted 30 million doses of the drug, hydroxychloroquine, from Novartis AG’s Sandoz unit, Secretary Alex Azar said in a statement late Sunday.

Normally used to treat malaria, hydroxychloroquine yielded promising yet inconclusive results in a small coronavirus trial. While Trump has said the drug is safe, it does carry significant side effects. Some people have been sickened, with one reported death, after taking various versions to try to ward off the new illness.


Trump said 1,100 patients in New York City are getting treatment using hydroxychloroquine. As global cases surged past 700,000, the city has emerged as one of the pandemic’s hot spots.

“Let’s see how it works,” Trump said in his daily briefing Sunday. “It may, it may not.”

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has cautioned against the use of unproven treatments against coronavirus.


“The history of medicine is strewn with examples of drugs that worked on paper or in a test tube but didn’t work in humans or were actually harmful,” he said in a briefing. “We must follow the evidence. There are no shortcuts.”

A rush to use medicines against coronavirus could also cause shortages for patients with illnesses that the drugs are normally used to treat. India banned exports of hydroxychloroquine to maintain supplies needed to combat malaria.


The Food and Drug Administration gave emergency use authorization to hydroxychloroquine and a related malaria drug, chloroquine, according to the statement. The agency can authorize emergency use when there are no available alternatives and the “known and potential” benefits of the product outweigh known and potential risks.

Efforts to find solutions to the virus’s advance are mounting as the number of worldwide cases soars, and health systems in Italy and Spain threaten to crack under the burden of desperately ill and contagious patients. A variety of treatments, including Gilead Sciences Inc.’s remdesivir, are currently in randomized, controlled clinical trials.


Scientists are also investigating the utility of a vaccine against tuberculosis that’s been used for about a century to see whether it will bolster the body’s immune system against coronavirus. The shot, called BCG or bacillus Calmette-Guerin, is being given to health-care workers in Melbourne to see whether it will protect them.

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#1545102 --- 03/30/20 02:40 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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Dorothy:

If we EVER get to the other side of this crisis, one thing will be crystal clear: Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the USA, will have been personally responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS of his own citizens, either through indolence, inaction, ineptitude, or malfeasance.


I'm laughing at the above posting speaking of possible drug treatment to remedy the Corona Virus. Forget the fact that any drug comes with side effects even when said drug was tested for years before being introduced into the market. Now Bozo the clown deem it appropriate to lie on the FDA by stating that these drugs are working wonders in a matter of a few days. Hey son, did you hear about human embryos being used as treatment for Alzheimer, you don't hear Drs. Bragging about that but hey, their somewhat embarrassed about the type of treatment and too intelligent to be too assumptive about it's long term impact
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#1545226 --- 03/31/20 12:02 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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From the NY Times the Dems show they fight harder for the 1% than the working man.


Pelosi Floats New Stimulus Plan: Rolling Back SALT Cap
A proposal to retroactively lift a limit on state and local tax deductions would largely funnel money to relatively high earners in high-tax states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/business/economy/coronavirus-economic-stimulus-taxes.html

By Jim Tankersley and Emily Cochrane
March 30, 2020

WASHINGTON — As lawmakers prepare for another round of fiscal stimulus to address economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic, Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested the next package include a retroactive rollback of a tax change that hurt high earners in states like New York and California.

A full rollback of the limit on the state and local tax deduction, or SALT, would provide a quick cash infusion in the form of increased tax rebates to an estimated 13 million American households — nearly all of which earn at least $100,000 a year.

In an interview with The New York Times, Ms. Pelosi said the next phase of an economic rescue package should include additional measures to get more money directly to individuals — like the $1,200 direct payments for low- and middle-income taxpayers that were authorized in the $2 trillion bill that President Trump signed on Friday.

That could be achieved, she said, by having Congress “retroactively undo SALT,” a reference to a cap on the state and local tax deduction that Republicans included in their 2017 tax overhaul. That limit prevents households from deducting more than $10,000 a year in state and local tax expenses from their federal tax bills.


Henry Connelly, a spokesman for Ms. Pelosi, said on Monday evening that she was proposing something narrower than a full SALT rollback, and that any change would be “tailored to focus on middle-class earners and include limitations on the higher end.”

“We could reverse that for 2018 and 2019 so that people could refile their taxes” and receive more money back from the government, Ms. Pelosi said in the interview. “They’d have more disposable income, which is the lifeblood of our economy, a consumer economy that we are.”

In the 2018 midterm elections, Democrats wielded the SALT limits in House campaigns against Republicans in wealthy blue-state suburbs of cities like New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Democrats voted last year to repeal the cap, but the effort died in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Republicans called the effort hypocritical, saying that it would primarily benefit wealthy households in high-tax states. Democrats had roundly denounced the 2017 law, which included rate cuts for businesses and individuals, as a handout to the rich. But the SALT deduction overwhelmingly benefits high earners.

“The ink is hardly dry on a $2 trillion-plus emergency package,” said Senator Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania. “It’s far too soon to know whether and of what nature additional legislation is needed. If we determine that another measure is necessary, it should not be the vehicle for Speaker Pelosi’s partisan, parochial wish list.”


The congressional Joint Committee on Taxation estimated last year that a full repeal of the SALT limit for 2019 alone would reduce federal revenues by about $77 billion. Americans earning $1 million a year or more would collectively reap $40 billion of those benefits. Most of the rest would go to households earning $200,000 or more.

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That is a contrast with the bill Mr. Trump signed on Friday, which began to phase out direct payments for households earning $150,000 or more.

Ms. Pelosi’s proposal represents “the way to get money into the hands of people who don’t benefit from the $1,200 checks because they make too much money,” said Kyle Pomerleau, a resident fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. “It certainly gets money into hands. But I’m not sure it’s the correct hands.”

Many liberal economic policy analysts also oppose lifting the SALT cap, calling it regressive tax policy. Seth Hanlon, a senior fellow at the liberal Center for American Progress, said the same logic was also a reason not to lift the limit in the next economic rescue bill. That is particularly true because consumption data show that low- and middle-income Americans are more likely than higher earners to spend benefits from the government immediately and stimulate economic activity.

To continue with direct assistance, Mr. Hanlon said, “there are ways you could target it to truly middle-class people. The problem is, relatively few middle-class people claim SALT.”

The Tax Policy Center estimates that only 3 percent of households in the middle quintile of American taxpayers would receive any benefit at all from the SALT cap repeal.

“In and of itself,” Mr. Hanlon said, “it doesn’t strike me as the most effective way of targeting economic stimulus.”

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#1545228 --- 03/31/20 12:41 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/i-haven...irus-equipment/

‘I haven’t heard about testing in weeks’: In leaked audio, Trump dismisses governors’ concerns about lack of coronavirus equipment
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#1545230 --- 03/31/20 12:56 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
From the NY Times the Dems show they fight harder for the 1% than the working man.


Pelosi Floats New Stimulus Plan: Rolling Back SALT Cap
A proposal to retroactively lift a limit on state and local tax deductions would largely funnel money to relatively high earners in high-tax states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/business/economy/coronavirus-economic-stimulus-taxes.html

By Jim Tankersley and Emily Cochrane
March 30, 2020

WASHINGTON — As lawmakers prepare for another round of fiscal stimulus to address economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic, Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested the next package include a retroactive rollback of a tax change that hurt high earners in states like New York and California.

A full rollback of the limit on the state and local tax deduction, or SALT, would provide a quick cash infusion in the form of increased tax rebates to an estimated 13 million American households — nearly all of which earn at least $100,000 a year.

In an interview with The New York Times, Ms. Pelosi said the next phase of an economic rescue package should include additional measures to get more money directly to individuals — like the $1,200 direct payments for low- and middle-income taxpayers that were authorized in the $2 trillion bill that President Trump signed on Friday.

That could be achieved, she said, by having Congress “retroactively undo SALT,” a reference to a cap on the state and local tax deduction that Republicans included in their 2017 tax overhaul. That limit prevents households from deducting more than $10,000 a year in state and local tax expenses from their federal tax bills.


Henry Connelly, a spokesman for Ms. Pelosi, said on Monday evening that she was proposing something narrower than a full SALT rollback, and that any change would be “tailored to focus on middle-class earners and include limitations on the higher end.”

“We could reverse that for 2018 and 2019 so that people could refile their taxes” and receive more money back from the government, Ms. Pelosi said in the interview. “They’d have more disposable income, which is the lifeblood of our economy, a consumer economy that we are.”

In the 2018 midterm elections, Democrats wielded the SALT limits in House campaigns against Republicans in wealthy blue-state suburbs of cities like New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Democrats voted last year to repeal the cap, but the effort died in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Republicans called the effort hypocritical, saying that it would primarily benefit wealthy households in high-tax states. Democrats had roundly denounced the 2017 law, which included rate cuts for businesses and individuals, as a handout to the rich. But the SALT deduction overwhelmingly benefits high earners.

“The ink is hardly dry on a $2 trillion-plus emergency package,” said Senator Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania. “It’s far too soon to know whether and of what nature additional legislation is needed. If we determine that another measure is necessary, it should not be the vehicle for Speaker Pelosi’s partisan, parochial wish list.”


The congressional Joint Committee on Taxation estimated last year that a full repeal of the SALT limit for 2019 alone would reduce federal revenues by about $77 billion. Americans earning $1 million a year or more would collectively reap $40 billion of those benefits. Most of the rest would go to households earning $200,000 or more.

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That is a contrast with the bill Mr. Trump signed on Friday, which began to phase out direct payments for households earning $150,000 or more.

Ms. Pelosi’s proposal represents “the way to get money into the hands of people who don’t benefit from the $1,200 checks because they make too much money,” said Kyle Pomerleau, a resident fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. “It certainly gets money into hands. But I’m not sure it’s the correct hands.”

Many liberal economic policy analysts also oppose lifting the SALT cap, calling it regressive tax policy. Seth Hanlon, a senior fellow at the liberal Center for American Progress, said the same logic was also a reason not to lift the limit in the next economic rescue bill. That is particularly true because consumption data show that low- and middle-income Americans are more likely than higher earners to spend benefits from the government immediately and stimulate economic activity.

To continue with direct assistance, Mr. Hanlon said, “there are ways you could target it to truly middle-class people. The problem is, relatively few middle-class people claim SALT.”

The Tax Policy Center estimates that only 3 percent of households in the middle quintile of American taxpayers would receive any benefit at all from the SALT cap repeal.

“In and of itself,” Mr. Hanlon said, “it doesn’t strike me as the most effective way of targeting economic stimulus.”


It seems that the Republicans always conceive of ideals to balloon our Federal budget while lowering the amount of monies coming in to pay our country's bills. They call it a federal deficit son, meaning more money is going out than coming in.......can you say the words RECESSION/DEPRESSION?
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#1545231 --- 03/31/20 01:05 PM Re: More winning... [Re: cwjga]
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/politics/fact-check-trump-coronavirus-briefing-march-30/index.html
This question is for all Republicans, seeing that you repealed a portion of the ACA and had 8 years to replace the health insurance, what do all these sick patients do in regard to repaying the hospitals and doctors for their treatment or is all this going on the dole of the government as well?
HMMMMMMM Free money(Stimulus) free health insurance,my God, we are NOW A SOCIALIST COUNTRY
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#1545234 --- 03/31/20 01:23 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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Originally Posted By: Ben444
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/i-haven...irus-equipment/

‘I haven’t heard about testing in weeks’: In leaked audio, Trump dismisses governors’ concerns about lack of coronavirus equipment


I am looking at the totality of what a few lies can cause. By Trump's denial of the pandemic, we are now placed several weeks of playing catch up which has resulted in massive furloughs, permanent layoffs, deaths, hardships of burying your love alone, school districts being entirely shutdown, record pay out of unemployment insurance, student loans going unpaid,mortgages going unpaid, car loans going unpaid, restaurants losing revenue, along with movie theaters, sporting events etc...." They say that when you lie, one must have a good memory, in Trump's case lies are refuted continually while watch an entire nation go into a Twilight Zone state.
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#1545268 --- 03/31/20 08:10 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Formermac]
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US STOCKS-S&P 500 heads for worst first quarter since 1938


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#1545277 --- 03/31/20 10:16 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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Rich Murray:

Any Senate or House Republicans who think trump has done a good job with the coronavirus threat and ultimate arrival of the pandemic are only interested in power at the cost of American lives. We can never forget that on Nov 3. Vote them ALL out.
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#1545367 --- 04/01/20 08:51 PM Re: More winning... [Re: Ben444]
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RNC Spokeswoman Waiting for NYT Reporter to Take Advantage of 'Gotcha' Pelosi Moment
Cortney O'Brien


The media loves to say "gotcha" to President Trump and his associates. But when it comes to liberal lawmakers' hypocrisy, the media coincidentally miss them every time.

The New York Times's Peter Baker thought he caught the president redhanded by contrasting Trump's February narrative, when he said that COVID-19 was "like a flu," to this week when he said the coronavirus is "vicious" and is "not the flu." His new tone was the result of new data. RNC spokeswoman Liz Harrington thought it was interesting that Baker conveniently forgot about Pelosi's changing narrative. In late February, the Democratic leader was still urging San Francisco residents to dine out in Chinatown.


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Nancy Pelosi, Feb. 24: "Come to Chinatown. Precautions have been taken...We think it's very safe and want others to come."https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1245117346395697152 …

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Trump, Feb. 26: "This is a flu. This is like a flu."

Trump, today: "It's not the flu. It's vicious."

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Trump, Feb. 26: "This is a flu. This is like a flu."

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Where's your gotcha tweet on this, Peter? @peterbakernyt

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This was a perfect "gotcha" if we ever saw one. The speaker has been railing off on the president for downplaying the crisis, when she herself was telling people to go out and be merry just a few weeks earlier. Unsurprisingly, her hypocrisy was met with crickets.

The media has hurried to accuse Trump of a slow response. But as coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci noted at Tuesday's White House press briefing, the president's early actions to ban some travel from Asia most assuredly saved lives.


"I believe we acted very, very early," Fauci said.

House Speaker Pelosi had other priorities.

“On January 15, the first day there was an American case in the United States, what was Nancy Pelosi doing? She was handing out her impeachment pens," Harrington said on BBC. “Just a week later President Trump had already set up a task force to deal with this crisis.”

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