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#1521646 --- 01/08/19 01:33 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: John Q Public]
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Well, can you elaborate on any of this. Are you speaking of misconduct?

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#1521647 --- 01/08/19 02:33 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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Really? I know of one full-time and two part-time employees......are you looking at the amount budgeted or the amount actually spent?


Originally Posted By: Gdog
Water/Sewer has the highest payroll to date, and do the least amount of work. This is why it can't get out of the red.
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#1521656 --- 01/08/19 03:04 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: John Q Public]
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Roy Gates got a $10,000 raise to oversee. The clerk was drawing from water/sewer. the county manager was drawing from water/sewer. the finance was drawing too. look into it.


Edited by Gdog (01/08/19 03:07 PM)

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#1521658 --- 01/08/19 03:20 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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I apologize, I thought you were referring to people actually on the water and sewer payrolls.

Yes there was a lot of skimming (you forgot the county attorney) of questionable legality and little justification.

I did not see them continuing on the 2019 budget.

Originally Posted By: Gdog
Roy Gates got a $10,000 raise to oversee. The clerk was drawing from water/sewer. the county manager was drawing from water/sewer. the finance was drawing too. look into it.


Edited by all seeing eye (01/08/19 04:29 PM)
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#1521660 --- 01/08/19 03:38 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: all seeing eye]
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Agreed!! The districts are gonna need a full makeover to get out of the red. also, this cannot be done in one fiscal year. The deficits are to large.

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#1521670 --- 01/08/19 04:19 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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Originally Posted By: Gdog
Roy Gates got a $10,000 raise to oversee. The clerk was drawing from water/sewer. the county manager was drawing from water/sewer. the finance was drawing too. look into it.
Where would one find that kind of information without access to a county computer and a pass word ? The investigation will expose that kind of accusation which I believe is totally false. The auditors would have found that kind of activity but didn't mention it. So do you really think anyone should believe you ? ABSOLUTLY NOT
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#1521672 --- 01/08/19 04:27 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Its in the board meeting minutes

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#1521674 --- 01/08/19 04:34 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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Yup, the payment to Roy was approved by the BOS.

And the payments to the county attorney etc, are actually in the 2018 budget.


Originally Posted By: Gdog
Its in the board meeting minutes
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#1521681 --- 01/08/19 05:23 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: John Q Public]
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Who did the 2019 budget for Water and Sewer? Sheppard?

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#1521683 --- 01/08/19 05:46 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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Mitch Rowe did it.


Originally Posted By: Gdog
Who did the 2019 budget for Water and Sewer? Sheppard?
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#1521684 --- 01/08/19 05:49 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: John Q Public]
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That's a plus!!!

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#1521738 --- 01/09/19 04:12 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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Originally Posted By: Gdog
Roy Gates got a $10,000 raise to oversee. The clerk was drawing from water/sewer. the county manager was drawing from water/sewer. the finance was drawing too. look into it.
So why don't you explain in a little more detail instead of just making accusations. There is a reason for this but you are withholding critical information. AREN'T YOU
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#1521765 --- 01/09/19 05:27 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: John Q Public]
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Accusations? I listed facts. You are the one saying there are Supervisors that are gonna feel the pain.

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#1521826 --- 01/10/19 06:38 AM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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Originally Posted By: Gdog
Roy Gates got a $10,000 raise to oversee. The clerk was drawing from water/sewer. the county manager was drawing from water/sewer. the finance was drawing too. look into it.
water and sewer lost 2 employees so other county departments had to do their work and the state comptroller requires the water and sewer to reimburse the departments now doing the work. Is that too difficult to understand ?
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#1521829 --- 01/10/19 07:50 AM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: John Q Public]
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Allseeingeye will know the details.

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#1521840 --- 01/10/19 09:00 AM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Chuck, actually the State Comptroller say COUNTIES CAN'T charge back because counties have no legal basis to do so:

we conclude that a county is not authorized under the County Law to chargeback such costs (see 28 Opns St Comp, 1972, p 32; McKinney's Statutes, 74, 240; see also In re Village of Monticello, 123 Misc 556, 205 NYS 839 affd 211 App Div 826, 206 NYS 970).

Further, it is our opinion that a county may not, by the enactment of a local law, provide for such chargeback of the cost of services of county employees.

In light of the foregoing, it is our opinion that a portion of the salaries of county employees attributable to the administration and operation of a county sewer district may not be charged back to the sewer district, in the absence of State legislation authorizing such a chargeback.

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/legal/1994/legalop/op94-1.htm



If Sewer and Water lost employees, the replacements should have been hired IN sewer and water.

The money should be returned to the County Sewer and Water Districts.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Gdog
Roy Gates got a $10,000 raise to oversee. The clerk was drawing from water/sewer. the county manager was drawing from water/sewer. the finance was drawing too. look into it.
water and sewer lost 2 employees so other county departments had to do their work and the state comptroller requires the water and sewer to reimburse the departments now doing the work. Is that too difficult to understand ?


Edited by all seeing eye (01/10/19 09:04 AM)
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#1521871 --- 01/10/19 10:47 AM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: all seeing eye]
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a lot of things "SHOULD HAVE" but you just want them to hire you and that ain't going to happen. So tell it to the NY State Comptroller-------------------besides "by the enactment of a local law," doesn't apply.
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#1522042 --- 01/13/19 08:40 PM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: John Q Public]
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Here is another question, Roy Gates retired and was hired back part time. So why does a part time employee still get a county vehicle. We issue county vehicles to part time employees now. Way to go Seneca County, great way to spend tax dollars.

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#1522087 --- 01/14/19 04:52 AM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Gdog]
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Originally Posted By: Gdog
Here is another question, Roy Gates retired and was hired back part time. So why does a part time employee still get a county vehicle. We issue county vehicles to part time employees now. Way to go Seneca County, great way to spend tax dollars.
But didn't they pay "all seeing eye" $35,000 to do pretty much the same job ?
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#1522142 --- 01/14/19 11:17 AM Re: Seneca County to investigate its former manager, finance director [Re: Hello_Governer]
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laugh
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