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#1520479 --- 11/07/18 12:59 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: SF Proud]
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Originally Posted By: SF Proud

Looks like more people of power are speaking out on what a detriment the DUMP is to attracting a qualified work force to the area.

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#1520480 --- 11/07/18 01:06 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: Deepblue5562]
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Originally Posted By: Deepblue5562
Question-who designated us the trash receptacle of the Northeast? Where has all this money gone? Has anyone's taxes in Seneca Falls gone down? Why does just Seneca Falls have say in any of this when it affects the entire county?

About 20 years ago the town board of Seneca Falls thought it would be a good idea to let Stank Meadows go higher, wider, and increase their tons per day - tpd. So, the answer is that the old town board of Seneca Falls is to blame for making the area the dumping grounds off the north east.

The DUMP got so used to the town being puppets that as soon as they hear NO, they are taking legal action against the town instead of accepting the fact that the people of the area don't want to be bullied into being the trash can of the north east anymore. So much for being good neighbors. Stank Meadows is more like the neighborhood bully. Their way or else.

The town used to pay zero TOWN taxes because of the dump. When the village and town merged, the old town had to start paying taxes and the old village taxes went down. School taxes remained the same (the dump never had anything to do with school taxes). Instead of the town having a reasonable budget, they counted on the dump money and you can see the terrible situation that has gotten SF into today.

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#1520563 --- 11/14/18 05:44 AM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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Is CircularEnerG still trying to force more trash onto the residents of Seneca County??

I see even Cuomo said this was a bad idea. Lots of reps against this one.

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#1520565 --- 11/14/18 10:20 AM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: hearallseeall]
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As of right now they have begun the approval process under Article 10 and are pursuing two lawsuits against the Town. No indication they are backing off at all. And no decision from the judge yet.


Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Is CircularEnerG still trying to force more trash onto the residents of Seneca County??

I see even Cuomo said this was a bad idea. Lots of reps against this one.
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#1520566 --- 11/14/18 02:38 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
As of right now they have begun the approval process under Article 10 and are pursuing two lawsuits against the Town. No indication they are backing off at all. And no decision from the judge yet.


Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Is CircularEnerG still trying to force more trash onto the residents of Seneca County??

I see even Cuomo said this was a bad idea. Lots of reps against this one.

That's the problem with these companies that have millions behind them. They waste so much time and money of small communities and then try to beat them into submission. Then, they turn around and give money back to make themselves look like hero's. Bullies.

They don't care about what the community wants. They only care about their bottom line and making more money.

Stank Meadows uses the same tactic. If the town doesn't do what they want, they bring them to court. Sad.

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#1520567 --- 11/14/18 03:45 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: hearallseeall]
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We still don't know where the money is from. I do think the lawyers are billing by the word.

They are certainly making money on the applications and lawsuits.

Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
As of right now they have begun the approval process under Article 10 and are pursuing two lawsuits against the Town. No indication they are backing off at all. And no decision from the judge yet.


Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Is CircularEnerG still trying to force more trash onto the residents of Seneca County??

I see even Cuomo said this was a bad idea. Lots of reps against this one.

That's the problem with these companies that have millions behind them. They waste so much time and money with small communities and beat them into submission.

They don't care about what the community wants. They only care about their bottom line and making more money.

Stank Meadows uses the same tactic. If the town doesn't do what they want, they bring them to court. Sad.


Edited by all seeing eye (11/14/18 04:04 PM)
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#1520569 --- 11/14/18 08:40 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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AH, did you two just figure all this out ?
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#1520585 --- 11/15/18 07:41 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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Seneca Falls Town Board met for a special session - Pretty obvious Greg & Lou are agreement on everything. Do you think they talk outside the meeting? I never met Doug, however I agree on his thoughts on the IT Position & the attorney. And Lou's argument about law firms doing hand offs to others; how does it differ from what Foster does now. I still don't understand why we hire from outside the town. At least stay in the county. A YES vote on the budget was the right vote. It shows MOST believe Seneca Meadows is not "A Good Neighbor."

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#1520586 --- 11/15/18 08:34 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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Raising taxes at the pace they are going shows that they can't manage the situation.

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#1520601 --- 11/18/18 12:08 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: Lee Alias]
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explain just how you would force someone to take the job as town attorney ? Keep in mind that the Seneca Falls Environmental Action Committee wanted the last town attorney to resign. Must be you people in Seneca Falls think the town attorney can change the law. Wouldn't it be a good idea to find replacements for the IT and attorney BEFORE you eliminate them ? Wouldn't a part time attorney " HAND OFF " more than a full time attorney ? This is pure politics. Obviously you think the supervisor shouldn't talk to the deputy supervisor, WOW !
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#1520602 --- 11/18/18 12:13 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Raising taxes at the pace they are going shows that they can't manage the situation.
Why do you think they dissolved the village ? The situation hasn't been MANAGED in decades and the State is going to manage it for you if something isn't done soon.
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#1520645 --- 11/20/18 11:41 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: scwoodchuck]
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https://fingerlakes1.com/2018/11/20/carc...eca-army-depot/

Did you happen to read this article Mr. Scientist (aka scwoodchuck)?

I know you like to minimize everything, say it's really not that big of a deal, and that environmentalist are making something out of nothing.

Maybe the firefighters should have used one of the dump liners that protect the ground water from all the contaminants? Is that your answer?

So, whatever was put into the ground at the Depot and multiply that by a million and that's how much worse the Stank Meadows problem will be.

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#1520647 --- 11/21/18 07:26 AM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
https://fingerlakes1.com/2018/11/20/carc...eca-army-depot/

Did you happen to read this article Mr. Scientist (aka scwoodchuck)?

I know you like to minimize everything, say it's really not that big of a deal, and that environmentalist are making something out of nothing.

Maybe the firefighters should have used one of the dump liners that protect the ground water from all the contaminants? Is that your answer?

So, whatever was put into the ground at the Depot and multiply that by a million and that's how much worse the Stank Meadows problem will be.
PARTS PER TRILLION, you have got to be kidding. If you start measuring contaminants in everything by PARTS PER TRILLION the whole world is toxic waste site. GET REAL crazy
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#1520664 --- 11/21/18 08:51 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Chuck, the fact that the safe dose is measured in parts per trillion (a few drops in an Olympic size swimming pool) demonstrates the toxicity of the various PFAS compounds, not that everything in the world is toxic. According to the CDC:


Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances and Your Health
PFAS Health Effects

The health effects of PFOS, PFOA, PFHxS, and PFNA have been more widely studied than other per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS).

Some, but not all, studies in humans with PFAS exposure have shown that certain PFAS may:

affect growth, learning, and behavior of infants and older children
lower a woman’s chance of getting pregnant
interfere with the body’s natural hormones
increase cholesterol levels
affect the immune system
increase the risk of cancer

This is very very bad stuff.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
PARTS PER TRILLION, you have got to be kidding. If you start measuring contaminants in everything by PARTS PER TRILLION the whole world is toxic waste site. GET REAL crazy
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#1520666 --- 11/22/18 10:03 AM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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SF clergy concerned about division, urge Town Board to consider mediation

By DAVID L. SHAW dshaw@fltimes.com



SENECA FALLS — Seven clergy members are asking the Town Board to consider mediation to deal with what they see as an “increase of mistrust and divisions” among the five-member governing body.

The clergy made the suggestion in a Nov. 5 letter to Supervisor Greg Lazzaro and board members Lou Ferrara, David DeLelys, Doug Avery and Vic Porretta.

“We are writing because we share a deep concern for our community. We have witnessed the increase of mistrust and division amongst the members of the board,” the letter states. “We have watched as members of the board have fought with one another and the constituents you serve. We have heard the same arguments continue month after month with no resolutions. And we have felt and seen the impact that the ongoing conflicts and division is having in our community as trust and respect deteriorates between the board and the people of Seneca Falls.”

The board is split 3-2 on several key issues, including the future and environmental impacts of the Seneca Meadows landfill, the town budget and taxes and the host community agreement between the town and landfill that provides significant revenue to the town each year.

“We believe it is time to actively engage in a process of mediation,” the clergy said.

They recommend the town contact the Center for Dispute Settlement of Wayne County, saying that agency has worked successfully with local town governments in the past. They said Director Kelly Porter is willing to engage in this confidential process with the board at no charge.

“Consider the positive impact that your willingness to do this could have,” the letter states.

The letter is signed by the Rev. J. Brad Benson of Trinity Episcopal Church, the Rev. James Fennessy of St. Francis & St. Clare Catholic Parish, the Rev. Leah Ntuala of the First Presbyterian Church of Seneca Falls, Pastor Valerie White of the Seneca Falls United Methodist Church, Pastor Stephen Beal of the West Fayette Presbyterian Church, Pastor Gerald Graziano of Finger Lakes Christian Fellowship, and the Rev. Amy Loving Austin of Seneca No. 9 and Bellona Memorial Presbyterian Churches.

“As faith leaders who come from a variety of backgrounds that differ theologically and politically, we understand the hard work that is ahead of you. We do not always see eye-to-eye, but we recognize the value of working together in spite of those differences,” the clergy letter states.

“As leaders, we know the importance of building a strong foundation of trust and transparency. We encourage you to join us in being modelers of healthy discourse and teamwork in Seneca Falls.”

The letter concludes: ‘’Working together, through all our differences, we can help our community be strong and grow.”

None of the board members responded to an email request for comment Tuesday.
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#1520667 --- 11/22/18 02:52 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: Crabby]
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WELL, all I can say about this is that they sent the letter to the wrong people. Anyone who is really paying attention would realize that it is the Seneca Falls Environmental Action Committee that they should have sent the letter to. That group has lied and misinformed the public for years and before that it was the Concerned Citizens of Seneca County. Oh and lets not forget the media for withholding the truth. Scare tactics make good headlines.
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#1520668 --- 11/22/18 02:58 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Chuck, the fact that the safe dose is measured in parts per trillion (a few drops in an Olympic size swimming pool) demonstrates the toxicity of the various PFAS compounds, not that everything in the world is toxic. According to the CDC:


Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances and Your Health
PFAS Health Effects

The health effects of PFOS, PFOA, PFHxS, and PFNA have been more widely studied than other per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS).

Some, but not all, studies in humans with PFAS exposure have shown that certain PFAS may:

affect growth, learning, and behavior of infants and older children
lower a woman’s chance of getting pregnant
interfere with the body’s natural hormones
increase cholesterol levels
affect the immune system
increase the risk of cancer

This is very very bad stuff.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
PARTS PER TRILLION, you have got to be kidding. If you start measuring contaminants in everything by PARTS PER TRILLION the whole world is toxic waste site. GET REAL crazy
That's what they say about peanut butter too, oh and lets not forget milk.
https://nutritionstudies.org/12-frightening-facts-milk/
https://www.foodsforbetterhealth.com/6-reasons-you-should-never-eat-peanut-butter-7037


Edited by scwoodchuck (11/22/18 03:37 PM)
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#1520669 --- 11/22/18 03:56 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: scwoodchuck]
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This is perhaps your silliest post. Comparing a dangerous and highly carcinogenic substance like PFAS, with peanut butter is nutty.
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#1520670 --- 11/22/18 07:22 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: all seeing eye]
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FORGOT MILK;
In observational studies both across countries and within single populations, higher dairy intake has been linked to increased risk of prostate cancer [2].
Observational cohort studies have shown higher dairy intake is linked to higher ovarian cancer risk[2].
Cow’s milk protein may play a role in triggering type 1 diabetes through a process called molecular mimicry[3].
Across countries, populations that consume more dairy have higher rates of multiple sclerosis[4].
In interventional animal experiments and human studies, dairy protein has been shown to increase IGF-1 (Insulin-like Growth Factor-1) levels. Increased levels of IGF-1 has now been implicated in several cancers[5].
In interventional animal experiments[6] and human experiments[7], dairy protein has been shown to promote increased cholesterol levels (in the human studies and animal studies) and atherosclerosis (in the animal studies).
The primary milk protein (casein) promotes cancer initiated by a carcinogen in experimental animal studies[8].
D-galactose has been found to be pro-inflammatory and actually is given to create animal models of aging[1].
Higher milk intake is linked to acne[9].
Milk intake has been implicated in constipation[10] and ear infections [2].
Milk is perhaps the most common self-reported food allergen in the world[11].
Much of the world’s population cannot adequately digest milk due to lactose intolerance.
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#1520671 --- 11/22/18 08:54 PM Re: Town could vote on new host agreement with Seneca Meadows [Re: scwoodchuck]
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You are being ridiculous.
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