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#1516204 --- 06/30/18 10:03 AM ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react
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‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react

Published: 06/30/2018 @ 10:21 am | Updated: 06/30/2018 @ 10:28 am
Seneca County Emergency Management Director Melissa Taylor has been placed on paid, administrative leave, according to County Manager John Sheppard.

While it’s unclear what prompted the administrative leave – County Manager Sheppard said in that email notification to the board – that it was ‘pending’ an internal investigation.

In the meantime, 911 Operations Director Brandi Godley and Deputy Emergency Management Director Tony DiGiovanni will fill in during Taylor’s absence.

County Manager Sheppard confirmed an investigation, but did not detail the circumstances that led up to the paid leave.
The following statement was released by the County Manager on behalf of Seneca County:

“County Manager, John Sheppard, placed The Director of the Emergency Management Office, Melissa Taylor, on paid, administrative leave pending an investigation.”

Fayette Town Supervisor Cindy Lorenzetti said she would like to have known more about the details leading up to the paid leave, before it reached this point. “There are a lot of unanswered questions,” she said on Saturday, pointing out that this entire investigation has picked up out of nowhere.

“Director Taylor has done nothing but good things for our County. She has secured many grants that have brought in a lot of dollars and she has done a good job getting 911 back on track,” she added. “This is unfair treatment of someone who has done a great job for us,” she concluded on Saturday.

Varick Town Supervisor Robert Hayssen said these circumstances will make Seneca County look bad in the long-term. “We will be the laughing stock of the Finger Lakes,” he said in an email addressed to the rest of the board, obtained by FingerLakes1.com. “This is County Government … not a military operation … not a dictatorship,” he said. “It is supposed to be open government. We have lost that, sadly.”

Supervisor Hayssen went on in that email to suggest that the ‘wrong person’ was escorted out of the County Office Building, and asserted that the investigation into Director Taylor were connected to the Finance Department.

The recently-formed department has drawn harsh criticism from multiple supervisors – on both political sides. “It is time to bring the First Amendment back to Seneca County Government and to employees of Seneca County,” Supervisor Hayssen continued. He then asked the board clerk to forward his email to all department heads – instructing them that he would personally protect their First Amendment rights. “I hope the Board of Supervisors meeting is packed on July 10th,” he continued. “I hope the parking lot is full of fire trucks.”

He called it a ‘sad day’ for Seneca County, as this issue becomes the latest to stir controversy in the Finger Lakes.

Director Taylor was recently featured on Inside the FLX discussing her department, and efforts put forward over the last two years. Listen to that conversation below.

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#1516205 --- 06/30/18 10:26 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Seems like the County Supervisors are more interested in politics than letting the County Manager do his job.

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#1516207 --- 06/30/18 09:39 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: MCK]
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Is he doing his job? There are a lot of problems in the Finance Office that he doesn't seem to be addressing.
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#1516219 --- 07/01/18 10:07 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Is he doing his job? There are a lot of problems in the Finance Office that he doesn't seem to be addressing.
OK Ms. Know-it-all, give us a hint instead of making such an open statement. Give us a detailed list of these supposed problems.
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#1516222 --- 07/01/18 01:04 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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sc... spend some time doing research... you would know all seeing is correct!!! Besides, we know what happens to people who speak against the finance department.

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#1516223 --- 07/01/18 04:14 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Interested Party]
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More baloney from the Lorenzetti cheerleaders. all-seeing eye has been wrong 99.9999999999999999% of the time. Most of the time she can't even write a sentence.

If you're so smart, who's doing the investigation ?


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/01/18 04:22 PM)
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#1516224 --- 07/01/18 05:41 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Apparently, Mr. Sheppard is doing it, personally.

PS, how's the daycare coming? When will it open?


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
More baloney from the Lorenzetti cheerleaders. all-seeing eye has been wrong 99.9999999999999999% of the time. Most of the time she can't even write a sentence.

If you're so smart, who's doing the investigation ?
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#1516225 --- 07/01/18 06:17 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Incredible how, once again, the access to funds is too much of a temptation.

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#1516232 --- 07/01/18 08:37 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Actually, from what I hear, the problem is not "finances," it is the Finance Office.
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#1516233 --- 07/01/18 09:03 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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WOW ! You have really gone over the edge on this one.
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#1516234 --- 07/01/18 10:05 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What?

There are numerous reports of the Water and Sewer financials being in disarray. In fact, at the last committee meeting, one of the supervisors reported that NO INCOME had been posted to any of the water and sewer accounts all year. Why would you think that other departments AND the entire county financial records are not being similarly messed up?

To my knowledge, there is no evidence that the investigation is about any financial mismanagement in the Emergency Management office. If there were....the County Manager should call in the State Attorney General or Comptroller or Sheriff Luce. The County Manager does not qualify to conduct a financial investigation.

SOOOOOOO.....

The fact he is handling it personally means there is something else going on.


Edited by all seeing eye (07/01/18 11:34 PM)
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#1516239 --- 07/02/18 07:05 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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EXACTLY
So explain how, in your mind, it's the county manager's fault or the new finance department's fault for something that has been going on for decades ?
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#1516240 --- 07/02/18 08:55 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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I am talking about what is happening NOW, not what happened for decades.

The water and sewer income has not been posted in the County financial records. That is the responsibility of the current administration.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
EXACTLY
So explain how, in your mind, it's the county manager's fault or the new finance department's fault for something that has been going on for decades ?
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#1516241 --- 07/02/18 11:05 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Are you totally brain dead ? the county finance department just took over.
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#1516243 --- 07/02/18 01:15 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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They started handling the books in 2017.

But how long do you think we should give them to enter the income into the books. It is now 6 months.

"I'm new at the job," has to stop sometime.
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#1516256 --- 07/02/18 09:01 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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That was just an example of the problem with the FD.

I mention Water and Sewer as it comes up at every board and committee meeting, with the BOS commenting on problems with the timeliness and accuracy of the billings and last week the lack of any income for 2018.

No other financial information is available to the public or discussed. That doesn't mean it is correct.

But you are right, let's get back to the topic. Why was an extremely competent employee placed on administrative leave?

In fact, the front page story on today's Finger Lakes Times was about another achievement by Melissa, that would allow the county to get more grant money:

Seneca County All Hazards Mitigation Plan approved by FEMA

By DAVID L. SHAW dshaw@fltimes.com 13 hrs ago 0

WATERLOO — The Federal Emergency Management Agency — better known as FEMA — has approved Seneca County’s All Hazards Mitigation Plan.

County Emergency Management Director Melissa Taylor announced the approval, noting the next and final step is for all jurisdictions in the county to adopt the approved plan.

The plan can be viewed by visiting www.co.sene ca.ny.us/departments/saf ety-services/emergency- services/.

Taylor said a FEMA- approved hazard mitigation plan is a condition for receiving certain types of non-emergency disaster assistance, including funding for mitigation projects.

“Ultimately, hazard mitigation planning enables action to reduce loss of life and protect and lessening the impact of disasters,” Taylor said.

She said the Office of Emergency Management staff has been working on this project plan for several years, meeting with multiple agencies and jurisdictions and traveling throughout the county to determine hazards and funding to mitigate them.



Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
They started handling the books in 2017.

But how long do you think we should give them to enter the income into the books. It is now 6 months.

"I'm new at the job," has to stop sometime.

Keep in mind WHO is providing that information. wink There is a reason the county is making the change and that reason is because the water and sewer districts were a total mess. That MaryAnne lady has no idea what she's talking about. Matter of fact I think you are MaryAnne. By the way this thread is not about water and sewer.
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#1516279 --- 07/03/18 08:35 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Interested Party]
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sc... spend some time doing research... you would know all seeing is correct!!! Besides, we know what happens to people who speak against the finance department.
You and all seeing eye have a problem with the county manager and will do anything to keep him from straighting out the counties problems. What could you two possibly gain by preventing the finance department from saving the tax payers money ?
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#1516293 --- 07/03/18 12:44 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Time will tell who is correct, Chuck. You should really do some research instead of blindly following the CM.

PS, when does the del Lago daycare open?




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sc... spend some time doing research... you would know all seeing is correct!!! Besides, we know what happens to people who speak against the finance department.
You and all seeing eye have a problem with the county manager and will do anything to keep him from straighting out the counties problems. What could you two possibly gain by preventing the finance department from saving the tax payers money ?
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#1516323 --- 07/03/18 04:01 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Ok Chuck... whatever you say.

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#1516324 --- 07/03/18 04:42 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Interested Party]
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Let me just say that I know more than you think and I am well aware of the games some people play. This situation was so predictable when you know the main players. There is a reason county managers don't last long in Seneca County.
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#1516325 --- 07/03/18 04:51 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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[quote=all seeing eye]

PS, how's the daycare coming? When will it open?[Quote]


the application is still being reviewed by the State
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#1516327 --- 07/03/18 09:54 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Keep us posted.

PS who is applying? The county? Del Lago?


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[quote=all seeing eye]

PS, how's the daycare coming? When will it open?[Quote]


the application is still being reviewed by the State
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#1516333 --- 07/04/18 07:31 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Quit trying to change the subject :-P
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#1516340 --- 07/04/18 10:46 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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I heard that the water district owes Varick over $80,000 in back water bills. I also heard the district cant even make payroll. This is a self supporting entity. or not???

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#1516348 --- 07/04/18 05:30 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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OR does Varick owe the water district $80,000
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#1516351 --- 07/04/18 06:36 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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I don't begin to understand the whole thing with Varick, but according to the Finger Lakes Times:

Supervisors approve compromise settlement of water billing dispute with Varick

By DAVID L. SHAW dshaw@fltimes.com Feb 15, 2018 0

WATERLOO — The town of Varick believes Seneca County Water District No. 1 owes the town-run Seneca Lake Water District $107,648 for the purchase of water.

The Board of Supervisors believes that actual amount owed is $71,789.

The board voted 9-3 Tuesday to offer Varick the $71,789 in hope that town officials will accept it and end the dispute.

The Seneca Lake Water District sells water it buys from the village of Waterloo to the county water district, which serves parts of the south end of the county. The cost is supposed to be determined by a meter. But that meter malfunctioned in 2016, leading to the dispute for water sales for the period of July 1, 2016, to June 30, 2017.

The agreement would provide the $71,789 with these conditions:

• The new, calibrated water meter now in use will be used to monitor water usage by the county district from Aug. 8, 2017, to Aug. 16, 2018.

• The daily average of water usage that resulted from that period would be used for the period of Dec. 31, 2015, through June 30, 2017, to determine whether any additional amounts are due the Seneca Lake Water District by the county water district.

• The parties agree to accept the results and waive any right that they may have to seek further compensation resulting from any claim that the meter malfunctioned between 2015 and 2017.

• The Varick Town Board, the governing board of the Seneca Lake Water District, will rescind its resolution demanding additional compensation under threat of an increase in water rates and agrees to subject any further increases to the procedure specific to the existing contract between the two districts.

“The amount the county owes could be adjusted after a year of monitoring with the new meter,” said County Manager John Sheppard.

The motion now goes to the Varick Town Board for approval.

Voting for the offer were board members Don Trout, Michael Reynolds, Greg Lazzaro, Cindy Lorenzetti, Ernest Brownell, Lisa Hochadel, Walt Prouty, David Kaiser and Ralph Lott.

Opposed were Lee Davidson, Ronald McGreevy and Bob Shipley. Board members Bob Hayssen and Paul Kronenwetter were absent.


Based on the above, the dispute is over July 2016 through June 2017 and should be resolved shortly, and the dispute may have been the cause of the recent fee increase to the County Water District customers.

Why the county would not be paying Varick for water currently is a mystery.

Wow, can't make payroll? One of the supervisors said at the last Board meeting that no income had been posted for the year to date. That may explain it.



Originally Posted By: Gdog
I heard that the water district owes Varick over $80,000 in back water bills. I also heard the district cant even make payroll. This is a self supporting entity. or not???
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#1516353 --- 07/04/18 08:36 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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I'm going to assume sewer district 2 is footing the payroll, This is total mismanagement. Water district is in shambles, Sewer 1 is broke and is in need of major improvements. I hope someone is gonna finally say enough is enough!!!


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#1516355 --- 07/04/18 10:42 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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And who do you think that would do that?

Our only hope is the state as the County BOS and government apparently don't care.



Originally Posted By: Gdog
I'm going to assume sewer district 2 is footing the payroll, This is total mismanagement. Water district is in shambles, Sewer 1 is broke and is in need of major improvements. I hope someone is gonna finally say enough is enough!!!


Edited by all seeing eye (07/04/18 10:44 PM)
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#1516360 --- 07/05/18 07:01 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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The state is just going to tell the county to "FIX IT !!! "
Besides who is going to believe Varick's accounting after the issue with the town court :-)


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/05/18 07:12 AM)
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#1516362 --- 07/05/18 08:36 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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I would hope a supervisor would finally see the train is off the track.

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#1516365 --- 07/05/18 08:51 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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I don't think so. The County Manager proposed about $200,000 in repairs for the STATE OWNED FIVE POINTS SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT. The state wasn't even told it had been done.

And the BOS approved it. Never noticed.




Originally Posted By: Gdog
I would hope a supervisor would finally see the train is off the track.
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#1516367 --- 07/05/18 09:04 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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And the master plan is to close sewer 2 and pump all the sewer to Willard? Who is getting the kickback from the engineers doing all the work?

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#1516368 --- 07/05/18 09:29 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Keep us posted.

PS who is applying? The county? Del Lago?


[quote=scwoodchuck][quote=all seeing eye]

PS, how's the daycare coming? When will it open?
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the application is still being reviewed by the State


Obviously neither of you know the story of what's happening/ happened with the day care or any idea who's running it. I don't know the back story with the two of you, nor do I care, but it's scheduled for September and being run by a licensed day care provider.


Edited by MCK (07/05/18 09:56 AM)

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#1516374 --- 07/05/18 10:41 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: MCK]
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Doesn't the BOS have to approve the deal? When is it going on the agenda? Obviously it will be good to rent out the space and get income.

Originally Posted By: MCK


Obviously neither of you know the story of what's happening/ happened with the day care or any idea who's running it. I don't know the back story with the two of you, nor do I care, but it's scheduled for September and being run by a licensed day care provider.
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#1516375 --- 07/05/18 10:59 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
I don't think so. The County Manager proposed about $200,000 in repairs for the STATE OWNED FIVE POINTS SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT. The state wasn't even told it had been done.

And the BOS approved it. Never noticed


Originally Posted By: Gdog
I would hope a supervisor would finally see the train is off the track.


But didn't the DEC tell them they were in violation ?


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/05/18 11:00 AM)
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#1516376 --- 07/05/18 11:04 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Doesn't the BOS have to approve the deal? When is it going on the agenda? Obviously it will be good to rent out the space and get income.

Originally Posted By: MCK


Obviously neither of you know the story of what's happening/ happened with the day care or any idea who's running it. I don't know the back story with the two of you, nor do I care, but it's scheduled for September and being run by a licensed day care provider.
that's ok you don't have to admit that you we're wrong. Everyone knows that you are always wrong because you try to twist everything against the county manager.
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#1516377 --- 07/05/18 11:33 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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The State owns the plant, if repairs were required by the DEC, then the State should have paid for them. In fact, if other upgrades are needed at that plant to meet DEC requirements, then the State would have to pay for them.



Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
I don't think so. The County Manager proposed about $200,000 in repairs for the STATE OWNED FIVE POINTS SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT. The state wasn't even told it had been done.

And the BOS approved it. Never noticed


Originally Posted By: Gdog
I would hope a supervisor would finally see the train is off the track.


But didn't the DEC tell them they were in violation ?
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#1516378 --- 07/05/18 12:51 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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I think the district set a precedent by paying for all repairs and upgrades from when it was turned over to the County district(town of Romulus) then.

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#1516384 --- 07/05/18 01:41 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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#1516403 --- 07/05/18 04:12 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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Actually, that is not true. Capital projects, including the repairs of the after a welder caused a huge fire, are engineered and paid for by New York State.


Originally Posted By: Gdog
I think the district set a precedent by paying for all repairs and upgrades from when it was turned over to the County district(town of Romulus) then.
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#1516404 --- 07/05/18 04:15 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Festus]
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Let's hope the BOS makes sure the "findings" are announced. If the allegations are baseless, then Ms Taylor deserves her good reputation back.


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#1516421 --- 07/05/18 09:44 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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But the state did not pay for any upgrades or maintenance as of yet.

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#1516422 --- 07/05/18 10:19 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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Where are you getting this?

The State paid for the repairs after the fire and there were no major repairs since, until the pump repair.

Instead of having the State pay for it, the CM put a proposal to the BOS, for engineering and another repair bid, without any clue that the County was repairing a state facility.

So instead of letting the State handle the engineering and bid, the CM and BOS spent $200,000 or so of county sewer district #2 money to repair a state facility.

Talk about "unfunded mandate!"
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#1516434 --- 07/06/18 08:30 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Didn't insurance cover the fire? who paid for the igloos needed for the rbc digesters?


Edited by Gdog (07/06/18 08:35 AM)

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#1516435 --- 07/06/18 08:42 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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No, the insurance didn't cover the fire. The fire was caused by a welder, hired by the Sewer District, who didn't have liability insurance. The county policy wouldn't pay.

So the State had to pay for it.


Edited by all seeing eye (07/06/18 08:43 AM)
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#1516437 --- 07/06/18 08:51 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Then why would the county approve spending if the state will fund the sewer plant? I guess you are correct in questioning this $200,000 spending

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#1516438 --- 07/06/18 09:09 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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This also raises 2 other questions. The $200,000 could be for pump stations on the depot. If the State will fund the sewer plant, why has the county not submitted all their spending for reimbursement?

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#1516439 --- 07/06/18 09:18 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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As I understand it, it was for a pump in the actual sewage treatment plant. Had any one in authority KNOWN that the State owned the plant and notified the State, the State would have engineered and paid for the repair. Since the State didn't even know about the problem....it will be very hard for the county to say OOOPs please reimburse us.

In fact, I understand that the CM didn't know the State owned the plant until a discussion at a meeting about the plan to merge the three plants.....at a cost of $18 million or more. That was in March and it was mentioned at a board meeting.


Originally Posted By: Gdog
This also raises 2 other questions. The $200,000 could be for pump stations on the depot. If the State will fund the sewer plant, why has the county not submitted all their spending for reimbursement?
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#1516441 --- 07/06/18 09:28 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Who made the decision to contact the state after the fire? Why hasn't this been a policy for repairs and/or upgrades?

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#1516447 --- 07/06/18 10:33 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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Everyone working for the districts at that time, September 17, 2013, knew the state owned the plant.

In fact, in addition, to the Five Points and Willard DOCCS facilities, there is a state Office of General Service office located at Willard. Probably no one needed to tell the state.....they could all see the smoke.


Originally Posted By: Gdog
Who made the decision to contact the state after the fire? Why hasn't this been a policy for repairs and/or upgrades?
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#1516471 --- 07/07/18 07:02 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Let's hope the BOS makes sure the "findings" are announced. If the allegations are baseless, then Ms Taylor deserves her good reputation back.


Normally if the accusations are false one would not resign but stick around to prove the accusations were false. Because she resigned the truth may never come out because it's a personnel issue and may not be made public.
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#1516472 --- 07/07/18 07:10 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Gdog]
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You two obviously know each other and are just putting this CRAP out there so some people might fall for it. You have just enough information to make it sound believable and then try to make the county board and the county manager look stupid. All seeing eye is so devious she deserves a prize.
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#1516477 --- 07/07/18 01:11 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Chuck, that is the nicest thing you ever said about me.

I don't have to make things up. Here is the resolution approving the bid:

BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
SENECA COUNTY
Waterloo, New York 13165
27 day of December 2016.

AWARD BID FOR ELECTRICAL CONSTRUCTION FOR PUMP CONTROL REPLACEMENT AND AUTHORIZE COUNTY MANAGER TO SIGN ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION

RESOLUTION NO. 303-16, moved by Sprvr. Trout, second by Sprvr. Wadhams and adopted by 656 ayes and 94 nays (Kaiser, Hayssen).

WHEREAS, Seneca County received bids on December 14, 2016 for General Construction for Pump Station Improvements (New FRP Liner) at Five Points Wastewater Treatment Plant; and
WHEREAS, three (3) bids were received and ranged in price from $140,970.00 to $185,900.00;
and
WHEREAS, the low bidder is Blue Heron Construction Co., LLC.; and

WHEREAS, MRB Group completed a review and all documents required to be submitted with the bid; and

WHEREAS, the project cost is within 10% of the estimated budgeted amount; and

WHEREAS, MRB Group has contacted the Contractor and the Contractor stated that they have a clear understanding of the project scope and the associated bid price; and

WHEREAS, the Public Works Committee has reviewed and approved this resolution at its December 27, 2016 meeting; now, therefore be it

RESOLVED, that the Seneca County Board of Supervisors award the project to Blue Heron Construction Co., LLC in the amount of $140,970.00 contingent on the Contractor submitting the proper
Bonds and Insurance as set forth in the Contract documents; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the County Manager of Seneca County has the authorization to sign the Notice of Award and all other Contract Documents upon satisfaction of the conditions set forth.


When you add the payments to MRB and cost overruns, the total cost was about $200,000.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
You two obviously know each other and are just putting this CRAP out there so some people might fall for it. You have just enough information to make it sound believable and then try to make the county board and the county manager look stupid. All seeing eye is so devious she deserves a prize.
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#1516479 --- 07/07/18 03:11 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Where does it say that they don't know it belongs to the State ?? They know it belongs to the state and they run it for the state and they get paid by the state to do so.
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#1516480 --- 07/07/18 03:12 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
As I understand it, it was for a pump in the actual sewage treatment plant. Had any one in authority KNOWN that the State owned the plant and notified the State, the State would have engineered and paid for the repair. Since the State didn't even know about the problem....it will be very hard for the county to say OOOPs please reimburse us.

In fact, I understand that the CM didn't know the State owned the plant until a discussion at a meeting about the plan to merge the three plants.....at a cost of $18 million or more. That was in March and it was mentioned at a board meeting.


Originally Posted By: Gdog
This also raises 2 other questions. The $200,000 could be for pump stations on the depot. If the State will fund the sewer plant, why has the county not submitted all their spending for reimbursement?
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#1516482 --- 07/07/18 05:03 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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The County is paid to operate the plant, and the State pays a pretty penny quarterly to have them do it.....but that does NOT include the county paying for capital repairs and improvements in the treatment plant.

In fact, State ownership of the facility may be a problem with the consolidation of districts that is being considered.



Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Where does it say that they don't know it belongs to the State ?? They know it belongs to the state and they run it for the state and they get paid by the state to do so.


Edited by all seeing eye (07/07/18 05:47 PM)
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#1516483 --- 07/07/18 07:05 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Nobody is dumb enough to enter a deal like that. So unless you can provide me with the original contract all this is just your opinion.

So you changed the topic because you were losing now you're losing this one too.


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/07/18 07:13 PM)
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#1516486 --- 07/07/18 08:50 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Why would I do that? You wouldn't believe it anyway. The original contract expired in 2010, another reason you would not accept it.

The agreement was signed in 2001. The Depot was closing and someone needed to take over providing Sewer Services to the Depot and to the Hamlet of Romulus, which were served by the plant. The State was building Five Points and needed sewer, but did not want to operate a sewer district, especially one that included other customers. That would have left the state setting rates, collecting payments, etc. The County formed Sewer District #2. The State accepted the plant from the DOD, upgraded the plant and contracted with the County to operate it.

But the plant is owned by the State. From what I hear, the State didn't even know about the problem, much less engineer or approve the repair... or pay for it.

So I think the deal works for both sides, unless the County decides, using customers' money, to pay for repairs. Then the State wins.

Talk about unfunded mandates.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Nobody is dumb enough to enter a deal like that. So unless you can provide me with the original contract all this is just your opinion.

So you changed the topic because you were losing now you're losing this one too.
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#1516491 --- 07/08/18 07:46 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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But you said

Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
The County is paid to operate the plant, and the State pays a pretty penny quarterly to have them do it.....but that does NOT include the county paying for capital repairs and improvements in the treatment plant.

In fact, State ownership of the facility may be a problem with the consolidation of districts that is being considered.


Normally the rates charged to the customers, including the State, would provide a reserve for repairs. Can you balance your own checkbook ?
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#1516498 --- 07/08/18 02:48 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Chuck, this is Seneca County where nothing is "Normal." The State pays a rate developed in 2001, and apparently unchanged, based on the estimated percentage of usage of the plant by Five Points and the estimated expenses. It was to be readjusted annually, based on actual expenses and Five Points usage which was never done.

That includes the cost of operation and maintenance of the District, but does not include capital improvements.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck


Normally the rates charged to the customers, including the State, would provide a reserve for repairs. Can you balance your own checkbook ?


Edited by all seeing eye (07/08/18 07:23 PM)
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#1516517 --- 07/09/18 09:23 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Water and sewer districts are self supporting. It ain't so just because you say so. You are wasting your time with me because I know better. There is no way you are going to make an agreement with the State of New York and not have things done properly, there just ain't no way that the State doesn't know what is going on. The State is smart enough to realize they cannot put one of their prisons in the hands of the county.


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/09/18 09:25 AM)
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#1516518 --- 07/09/18 09:30 AM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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Chuck, this is Seneca County where nothing is "Normal."

You're proof of that.
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#1516587 --- 07/10/18 03:01 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Chuck... really? Did you see page 2 of today's FL times? Ms Taylor is not guilty!!!

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#1516592 --- 07/10/18 04:15 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: Interested Party]
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REALLY, NOT GUILTY OF WHAT ? Don't tell me we're back on the original topic ! Gee wizzzzzzzzz I was just getting into the water and sewer thing and you go and change the subject AGAIN ! But seeing as how we're back on the investigation thing, tell us what she is not guilty of.
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#1516802 --- 07/13/18 05:45 PM Re: ‘A SAD DAY’: Director Taylor on ‘paid leave’ in Seneca County, BOS members react [Re: all seeing eye]
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I read the article as well and not a mention of what the EOC head was accused of or the results of the investigation.

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