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#1517894 --- 07/26/18 04:51 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: justacitizen]
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Okay, so the red herring of some councilor leaking information has played out just as expected because it likely was NEVER a councilor that did it. Even so, the fact that information from an executive session, attended by several persons not councilors, was leaked is still a breach of trust. this is why the discussions are kept private to prevent others from exercising undue influence on the process. Staff present at such meetings are still held to the rules for disclosure.

That is the issue here. All else is just a distraction to justify the actions of those not tasked with the job at hand.

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#1517902 --- 07/26/18 07:18 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: pingu]
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Originally Posted By: pingu
All else is just a distraction to justify the actions of those not tasked with the job at hand.

Let's not jump from one assumption directly to another, shall we?
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#1518002 --- 07/28/18 07:32 AM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: rock 963
Timbo is a douche who happens to know how to use a thesaurus. Careful you don't choke on those big words. Dink.

Ah yes, the classic "berate someone for knowing more than I do" maneuver.

Simply brilliant!
crazy crazy crazy
you do it all the time TIMBO !
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#1518027 --- 07/29/18 07:46 AM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: NYtoFL]
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Originally Posted By: NYtoFL
Questions:

How does anyone know who the "frontrunners" are?
What specifically has the one candidate done? Accused is different then proven.
Is the committee done with their work(interviews, etc.)?
Geneva believer and the liberal women's groups will find fault in anything the city council does until they get what they want. They want someone who is sympathetic to their liberal socialist cause. The council doesn't have the guts to do what's right for the city because they're afraid they won't get re-elected
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#1518029 --- 07/29/18 08:39 AM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: justacitizen]
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Exactly scwoodchuck. City council, which does include Sage BTW, has been a mess for years. I love how these libtards think things are going to change, like some big revolution is going to happen. Well, I've got some news for the social justice warriors out there; nothing is going to change because this city is liberal, and liberals are regressive. Less focus on Libtard Street, sorry I meant Linden Street, and more focus on cutting the outrageous property taxes we have in this city. For what you pay in property tax, you get garbage in the streets, pot holes, unplowed roads, unmowed lawns, etc. This council doesn't care about "the people," they care about downtown and attracting tourists. How about the people who already live here!? This city will not progress until we have someone in there who isn't affraid to ruffle some feathers. This city is a regressive dump and has been for the 36 years I've been here. We're a joke.
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#1518037 --- 07/29/18 03:44 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: rock 963
Timbo is a douche who happens to know how to use a thesaurus. Careful you don't choke on those big words. Dink.

Ah yes, the classic "berate someone for knowing more than I do" maneuver.

Simply brilliant!
crazy crazy crazy
you do it all the time TIMBO !

Find even ONE example and I'll permanently close my FL1 account. But you can't, because I don't. Not EVER.

Unlike certain individuals on this public forum, I make it my duty to learn from the facts when and IF they are proven to me, and I certainly don't reflexively wallow in my own misconceptions and ignorance only to 'gaslight' those who've actually taken the time to educate themselves, regardless of where those facts lead.

You might try it sometime.
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#1518038 --- 07/29/18 03:56 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
Exactly scwoodchuck. City council, which does include Sage BTW, has been a mess for years. I love how these libtards think things are going to change, like some big revolution is going to happen. Well, I've got some news for the social justice warriors out there; nothing is going to change because this city is liberal, and liberals are regressive. Less focus on Libtard Street, sorry I meant Linden Street, and more focus on cutting the outrageous property taxes we have in this city. For what you pay in property tax, you get garbage in the streets, pot holes, unplowed roads, unmowed lawns, etc. This council doesn't care about "the people," they care about downtown and attracting tourists. How about the people who already live here!? This city will not progress until we have someone in there who isn't affraid to ruffle some feathers. This city is a regressive dump and has been for the 36 years I've been here. We're a joke.

Wow... sage words from one of the community's towering intellects.

I'm in awe!
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#1518039 --- 07/29/18 04:01 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
This city is a regressive dump and has been for the 36 years I've been here.

Do you possess any thoughtful ideas of programs to implement that would actually help in cleaning up this so-called "dump" as you refer to Geneva? whistle

And please be specific.
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#1518040 --- 07/29/18 04:04 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
...the 36 years I've been here. We're a joke.

After all those years, you'd think that 'MOVING' would have crossed your mind. smirk
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#1518051 --- 07/29/18 07:19 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: justacitizen]
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Timbo. You're one for factual based evidence, so tell me this; what of anything I posted is not true? Are you telling me that property taxes aren't high compared to other municipalities in the area? Are you saying that there isn't garage in the streets? Are you telling me that our streets aren't in disrepair? Grow up man. You don't have to be here too long to see any of these things. People are moving out of city because the middle class can't afford to live here anymore. I would have loved to move out of this place years ago, but sometimes we need to make some compromises,even if they are big ones. I think Geneva can be a great place, but it's been in a funk for a long time. Oh and why don't you go play in traffic?
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#1518052 --- 07/29/18 07:31 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: justacitizen]
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Oh and it's not my job to come up with programs. I just think some of the powers that be have their priorities messed up. We should be focusing on lowering property taxes and encouraging people to come live here. It's hard to do when more than half your property tax base is section 8 or tax exempt property. Do you have any programs that would help? How would you suggest helping the people in this city who need it? I'm talking about the middle class. 90 percent of people I talk to tell me they would never buy a house in the city, why? Because of taxes, crappy street conditions, garbage, etc. How does one convince them otherwise? What are they getting for their money?
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#1518054 --- 07/29/18 09:25 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: justacitizen]
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Regarding the struggles of the working class in Geneva: I've never seen it as a 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' issue. Councilors from both sides of the aisle have been failing to act on the increasing tax burdens on the working class and the growing poverty rate in the city for years and years.

Matt Horn said his biggest regret was that during his time as city manager, downtown became "revitalized" while the poverty rate continued to grow unabated. That's because it was never a priority of Matt Horn to do what was best for ALL Genevans of all income levels.

The reality is that Geneva has some VERY major decisions to make in the next few years regarding our budget. It's simply not sustainable. Major changes need to be made or else taxes will continue to rise, which means less home ownership, which means more slumlords, which means more poverty and more crime.

Lowering taxes would require a council with guts and determination who will do what needs to be done in the best interest of everyone. And if that time comes, the public also needs to stand up and support those councilors in their efforts. They've come close a few times in recent years but have never gotten over that political hump.

When the Comprehensive Plan was about to be approved with the recommendation of spending the lowest possible amount on a new Economic Opportunity Task Force to actually do something to address poverty in the city, it was Sage Gerling who worked with Horn to correct the issue in the Comp Plan and make sure the task force had the proper funding recommendation.

When the city has done public forums on the issue of economic opportunity and poverty, Sage Gerling has been at those meetings, speaking with people from all different backgrounds and circumstances.

As the city has addressed the issues facing the working class and poor folks whose lives were turned upside down by the Foundry disaster, Sage Gerling was there talking to the people.

Look at the people who vocally supported her for city manager...it wasn't just wealthy business owners and HWS professors. People in the city who are struggling were some of her loudest supporters.

Sage is no pushover. She is willing to listen and acknowledge what people have to say, but she's not always going to give them the answer they want to hear. She's tough when it comes to doing what she feels is in the best interest of the city.

With Adam Blowers as (hopefully) assistant city manager, we've got all the financial know-how we need. My understanding is that Adam is very fiscally conservative and knows that the city is heading towards some difficult times if we don't change course.

The status quo isn't working. The working class have had enough. We're tired of the old guard. We're tired of watching a small number of people thrive because of who they know while the rest of us struggle.

The city is in FAR better hands now than it was last December. Good riddance to Horn and the conflicts of interest and, yes, corruption that he represented, and let's welcome the "new" guard at city hall who will hopefully act in the best interest of the people, always.

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#1518055 --- 07/29/18 10:13 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
Timbo. You're one for factual based evidence, so tell me this; what of anything I posted is not true? Are you telling me that property taxes aren't high compared to other municipalities in the area? Are you saying that there isn't garage in the streets? Are you telling me that our streets aren't in disrepair? Grow up man. You don't have to be here too long to see any of these things. People are moving out of city because the middle class can't afford to live here anymore. I would have loved to move out of this place years ago, but sometimes we need to make some compromises,even if they are big ones. I think Geneva can be a great place, but it's been in a funk for a long time. Oh and why don't you go play in traffic?

First of all, I never made any of those arguments, and you still won't provide any specific, workable solutions. You're just carping over allegations.

What are the supposed problems (as you see them) and how specifically should they be addressed? Apparently you believe there's a traffic congestion issue. grin

And please keep in mind... the whole country has been in a funk for a long time.
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#1518056 --- 07/29/18 10:23 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
Oh and it's not my job to come up with programs. I just think some of the powers that be have their priorities messed up. We should be focusing on lowering property taxes and encouraging people to come live here. It's hard to do when more than half your property tax base is section 8 or tax exempt property. Do you have any programs that would help? How would you suggest helping the people in this city who need it? I'm talking about the middle class. 90 percent of people I talk to tell me they would never buy a house in the city, why? Because of taxes, crappy street conditions, garbage, etc. How does one convince them otherwise? What are they getting for their money?

It is, if all you're gonna do is Grouse about things as if the solutions should be obvious to everyone, and FYI... YOU'RE the one taking issue. The onus falls upon you to offer productive solutions, not me.

To suggest that the city isn't actively "encouraging people to come live here", is not only completely untrue, but flat-out ignores many, many projects currently and soon-to-be implemented in pursuit of that precise outcome.

You'll forgive me for saying, but it sounds to me as if you're suggesting that we cut taxes by taxing even further. If you think the middle-class are currently experiencing difficulties, just imagine how those on (let's say) section 8 must be getting by.

It's one sticky wicket, to be sure, but Geneva Believer hits it out of the park by alluding to a clear cause-and-effect of past policy and lack of political courage.

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#1518062 --- 07/30/18 07:42 AM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: justacitizen]
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Timbo, you've won man.
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#1518063 --- 07/30/18 07:53 AM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: Timbo]
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It's quite obvious we need to define poverty. It's my opinion there is no such thing as "POVERTY" in this country anymore, even the homeless are not dieing in the streets of starvation. When was the last time someone froze to death in Geneva ? Supposedly everyone gets a free education, there are plenty of opportunities even for the disabled. There are help wanted signs at just about every business. When the starving children are on average 30 pounds overweight someone needs their head examined. Social Justice ain't gonna fix STUPID or lazynes.
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#1518064 --- 07/30/18 07:56 AM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
Timbo, you've won man.
it's best to let him think so, that way we don't have to put up with his narcissistic pompus superiority complex.
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#1518107 --- 07/30/18 02:56 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: rock 963
Timbo, you've won man.
it's best to let him think so, that way we don't have to put up with his narcissistic pompus superiority complex.

What you call pompous narcissism is simply an informed, zero-tolerance for pridefull ignorance. If that results in superiority, then so be it. Besides, what would you know about social justice? It's never had a chance to actually be implemented, has it? whistle

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#1518108 --- 07/30/18 03:10 PM Re: Who's in Charge here??? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
It's quite obvious we need to define poverty. It's my opinion there is no such thing as "POVERTY" in this country anymore, even the homeless are not dieing in the streets of starvation. When was the last time someone froze to death in Geneva ? Supposedly everyone gets a free education, there are plenty of opportunities even for the disabled. There are help wanted signs at just about every business. When the starving children are on average 30 pounds overweight someone needs their head examined. Social Justice ain't gonna fix STUPID or lazynes.

Poverty has already been defined LOOONG ago. You just don't like the fact that it flies in the face of your blatantly self-codified narrative.

Read and Learn:

https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/what-poverty-definition-and-measurement

and...

https://www.brookings.edu/research/in-a-land-of-dollars-deep-poverty-and-its-consequences/

and...

https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-...-social-factors

and...

http://www.aecf.org/blog/hunger-a-harsh-...ASAAEgIxbfD_BwE
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