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#1514915 --- 05/21/18 05:44 PM Multiple Salt Mine Leaks
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Crestwood acknowledges possible leaks in Seneca Lake salt mines:

"This new information suggests what we knew all along,
that the caverns are not stable and the gas could migrate if stored there,"


https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news...rage/629768002/

Apologist defense of Crestwood in 3... 2... 1... and GO! wink

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#1514916 --- 05/21/18 08:14 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Where does it say "Cedarwood acknowledges possible leaks ? Testing for leaks is standard practice. Maybe they are trying to prove that there are no leaks.


Edited by scwoodchuck (05/21/18 08:14 PM)
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#1514924 --- 05/22/18 11:14 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Here's the link to the letter from Crestwood

http://gasfreeseneca.com/wp-content/uplo...tion.PUBLIC.pdf

This what the Crestwood told the DEC:

"US Salt's operations as a separate entity continue, including the development of solution mining wells. Recently, during the development of one of these wells (well 64), we became aware that well 64 may be in communication with either Gallery 10 (which consists of wells 18, 52 and 57) and/or other nearby wells (including those also being solutioned by US Salt and other wells such as well 17 or 29)."

Crestwood didn't find the "communication" between salt and proposed gas storage caverns, US Salt, recently purchased from Crestwood for $225 million, did. Guess they didn't want their investment to blow up.

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Where does it say "Cedarwood acknowledges possible leaks ? Testing for leaks is standard practice. Maybe they are trying to prove that there are no leaks.
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#1514932 --- 05/22/18 06:05 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Wonder why some of it was blacked out ?
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#1514934 --- 05/22/18 07:51 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Earth justice ? Isn't that the same radical environmental group that fought the Dakota Access Pipeline and lost ?
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#1514935 --- 05/23/18 02:47 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Earth justice ? Isn't that the same radical environmental group that fought the Dakota Access Pipeline and lost ?

Hardly "Radical" when they were simply working to prevent such utterly predictable massive contamination, as the 210,000 gallons of oil from five separate leaks in less than 6 months of operation. Everybody saw it coming except for the "non-radicals", apparently.

FIVE SPILLS, SIX MONTHS IN OPERATION: DAKOTA ACCESS TRACK RECORD HIGHLIGHTS UNAVOIDABLE REALITY... PIPELINES LEAK:
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/09/dakota-access-pipeline-leak-energy-transfer-partners/
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#1514938 --- 05/23/18 08:45 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Crestwood claimed that some of the scientific data was confidential and can only be reviewed by the outside experts who were employed by the intervenors, as well as the attorneys. The parts redacted include information deemed to be confidential.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wonder why some of it was blacked out ?
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#1514945 --- 05/23/18 11:54 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Highly unlikely ! It's more probable it was something earth justice didn't want the public to see. Scientific data is known widely by most professionals and might even be publicly available from USGS.


Edited by scwoodchuck (05/23/18 12:01 PM)
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#1514947 --- 05/23/18 12:52 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Highly unlikely ! It's more probable it was something earth justice didn't want the public to see. Scientific data is known widely by most professionals and might even be publicly available from USGS.

Gee, your crystal ball's getting kinda defensive, don'tcha think? smirk
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#1514951 --- 05/23/18 05:17 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Defensive ? No ! You just don't know as much as you think you know.
http://tcprogressives.org/2017/05/16/did...-cayuga-lake-2/
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#1514952 --- 05/23/18 05:32 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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#1514957 --- 05/23/18 10:10 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Nope, wrong again.

DEC Laws, regs and policy allow operators to keep "evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic " confidential as a "trade secret."


Well Data Confidentiality

Basis for Holding Drilling Data Confidential


Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.

Public Disclosure Standards for Drilling Data Never exempted from public disclosure:

permit applications
information on the total depth of wells
well plugging records

Automatically held confidential for six months:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys
annual well (oil and gas production) reports (confidentiality ends July 1 following the calendar year to which the reports apply)

Held confidential for six months with possible extension to two years:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys

ECL Section 23-0313 and Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describe the procedures for requesting a two year extension.

May be defined as trade secrets eligible for continuous confidential status:

detailed analysis, opinion, interpretation or evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic

Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describes the guidelines for requesting "trade secret" status.

Never publicly disclosed without operator's consent:

brine production reported by individual solution mining operators

Well data confidentiality
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#1514958 --- 05/23/18 10:22 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Defensive ? No ! You just don't know as much as you think you know.
http://tcprogressives.org/2017/05/16/did...-cayuga-lake-2/

C'mon now, that made absolutely no sense, whatsoever.
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#1514965 --- 05/24/18 06:53 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Nope, wrong again.

DEC Laws, regs and policy allow operators to keep "evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic " confidential as a "trade secret."


Well Data Confidentiality

Basis for Holding Drilling Data Confidential


Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.

Public Disclosure Standards for Drilling Data Never exempted from public disclosure:

permit applications
information on the total depth of wells
well plugging records

Automatically held confidential for six months:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys
annual well (oil and gas production) reports (confidentiality ends July 1 following the calendar year to which the reports apply)

Held confidential for six months with possible extension to two years:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys

ECL Section 23-0313 and Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describe the procedures for requesting a two year extension.

May be defined as trade secrets eligible for continuous confidential status:

detailed analysis, opinion, interpretation or evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic

Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describes the guidelines for requesting "trade secret" status.

Never publicly disclosed without operator's consent:

brine production reported by individual solution mining operators

Well data confidentiality
OH BOY are you confused. Crestwood AIN'T MINING or drilling new wells and aren't producing anything.
Did you even READ it
Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.


Edited by scwoodchuck (05/24/18 06:59 AM)
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#1514966 --- 05/24/18 07:08 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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#1514983 --- 05/24/18 05:21 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Edited by scwoodchuck (05/24/18 05:36 PM)
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#1514984 --- 05/24/18 06:25 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Start your own threads instead of hijacking this one.
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#1514986 --- 05/24/18 06:39 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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I'm a little surprised that Cayuga Indians haven't weighed in on this and/or the incinerator, given that Native culture generally considers the lakes sacred.

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#1514987 --- 05/24/18 09:10 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Start your own threads instead of hijacking this one.
Winning the debate is not hijacking the thread :-P
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#1514988 --- 05/24/18 09:12 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Devil's Advocate]
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Originally Posted By: Devil's Advocate
I'm a little surprised that Cayuga Indians haven't weighed in on this and/or the incinerator, given that Native culture generally considers the lakes sacred.
They worship a new GREAT SPIRIT, the DOLLAR.
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#1514993 --- 05/25/18 08:01 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Read the letter please.

The pressure problems that indicated leaks between the active salt solution caverns and the caverns proposed for LPG were found by US SALT. Not Crestwood.

Crestwood sold the US SALT salt mines in 2017 to Kissner for $225,000,000.

US SALT was solution salt mining when they discovered the problem.

Guess they didn't want their investment to explode.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Nope, wrong again.

DEC Laws, regs and policy allow operators to keep "evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic " confidential as a "trade secret."


Well Data Confidentiality

Basis for Holding Drilling Data Confidential


Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.

Public Disclosure Standards for Drilling Data Never exempted from public disclosure:

permit applications
information on the total depth of wells
well plugging records

Automatically held confidential for six months:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys
annual well (oil and gas production) reports (confidentiality ends July 1 following the calendar year to which the reports apply)

Held confidential for six months with possible extension to two years:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys

ECL Section 23-0313 and Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describe the procedures for requesting a two year extension.

May be defined as trade secrets eligible for continuous confidential status:

detailed analysis, opinion, interpretation or evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic

Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describes the guidelines for requesting "trade secret" status.

Never publicly disclosed without operator's consent:

brine production reported by individual solution mining operators

Well data confidentiality
OH BOY are you confused. Crestwood AIN'T MINING or drilling new wells and aren't producing anything.
Did you even READ it
Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.
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#1514996 --- 05/25/18 12:45 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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I did read the letter, nowhere did it say a leak or multiple leaks were confirmed. Unless " MAY and POSSIBLE " now have a new meaning. Also, a possible leak between wells not included in the storage plan does not necessarily mean all the wells leak or will eventually leak. Besides even if gas did leak into a solution well doesn't mean the gas will leak out into the atmosphere.


Edited by scwoodchuck (05/25/18 12:48 PM)
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#1516012 --- 06/23/18 11:50 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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A new study published in the journal Science finds that methane emissions from U.S. oil and gas operations are 60 percent higher than previous estimates from the federal government.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/23/622727843...ean-natural-gas
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#1516220 --- 07/01/18 10:26 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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There are two ways of looking at this issue. Could the methane be natural occurring and would more be leaking naturally if we weren't removing some of it.

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#1516257 --- 07/02/18 10:41 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Good grief. You will look for any explanation to excuse damaging the planet.

How does methane leaking from fracking and pipelines relate to methane leaking from fissures under the seas.
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#1516275 --- 07/03/18 08:19 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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The only way to prevent humans from damaging the planet is to remove humans. If humans did not utilize the natural resources of the planet the planet would remove humans all by itself. We do damage to the planet by growing food, building houses, keeping warm and dry. Your very existence is damaging the planet.
If methane in the atmosphere concerns you and it is naturally leaking from the ground how do you intend to prevent it. Wouldn't it make sense to utilize it? If you think that the miniscule amount of methane leaking from pipes is a major concern what about the methane that is generated by 7 billion people and billions of farm animals farting ?
Your problem is you don't understand the natural carbon cycle and the cycle of life.


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#1516409 --- 07/05/18 05:21 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Schuyler County Legislature considers rescinding Crestwood LPG storage facility support

Watkins Glen—The Schuyler County Legislature appears close to voting to rescind its prior support for an attempt to store liquefied propane gas in local salt mines, after reports that one of the caverns may have leaks.

The full legislature will consider on Monday (July 9), a resolution rescinding support of Finger Lakes LPG Storage’s liquid propane gas (LPG) storage facility project. Finger Lakes LPG Storage is a subsidiary of Crestwood Midstream Partners.

The resolution has already cleared the county’s Public Safety Committee, headed by legislator Van Harp, and its Legislative Resolution Review Committee, chaired by Dennis Fagan.

The resolution, as authored by Fagan, with assistance from the County Planning Department (Kristin VanHorn), County Attorney (Steven Getman), County Administrator (Tim O’Hearn), Emergency Management (Bill Kennedy) and Clerk of the Legislature (Stacy Husted), repeals the county’s support pending completion of future pressure testing and subsequent review and approval by New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC).

The proposed resolution comes after a May 17 letter to the DEC from lawyers representing Finger Lakes LPG Storage. In that letter, Kevin Bernstein, an attorney with Bond Schoeneck & King, asked the DEC to delay a final decision on the storage unit application until well pressure tests determine the site’s suitability as a gas storage unit.

In 2014, the County Legislature voted five to three in support of the LPG storage plant, based on “submissions and compliance with all regulatory requests” that “minimized impacts to the maximum extent practicable and that the caverns to be used for LPG storage are well-suited for such use.” In 2016, after Crestwood scaled back its plans, the legislature reiterated that support, six votes to two.

In June, Toxics Targeting, a company that compiles information on toxic sites, released documents it claimed prove the DEC knew of, and failed to disclose, leakage concerns.

The July 9 meeting of the Schuyler County legislature is scheduled to begin at 6:30 pm at the Schuyler County Courthouse, 105 Ninth Street, Watkins Glen, New York.

A complete copy of the draft resolution can be found here: https://tinyurl.com/SCHUYLER-CRESTWOOD-RECISSION
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#1516418 --- 07/05/18 08:23 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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What's this mean ?
pending completion of future pressure testing and subsequent review and approval by New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)
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#1516419 --- 07/05/18 08:59 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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At what pressure do they plan on storing the gas?

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#1516423 --- 07/05/18 10:25 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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No idea, but if there is a leak what is the difference about the pressure? Leak is a leak.

Here is the link to the documents:

FL LPG application etc
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#1516426 --- 07/06/18 04:22 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Your response is more like an attitude problem, I worked at Avoca Storage facility for 1 year, so my question was more of interest than a debate. In regard to a leak? 50 PSI adverse to 2000 PSI is the difference between a mild contaminant and a major disaster, dependending on injections or withdrawals, natural formations or a lined storage. I'll get my answer from someone more in line with enlightenment...Thank You

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#1516431 --- 07/06/18 07:46 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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I apologize. I should have said that I don't know, as I am not a geologist. The answer may be in the application documents that are at the link I posted. Or that could be in pool the confidential documents, that were not made public, but were available to the opponents experts. There is a report from Toxics Target in that highlights where Crestwood provided pressure information in the application.

I would say that the disclosure of the pressure problem came AFTER Crestwood sold the salt mines for $225 million.it was the new owner that raised the pressure problem. That seems serious.


Originally Posted By: Formermac
Your response is more like an attitude problem, I worked at Avoca Storage facility for 1 year, so my question was more of interest than a debate. In regard to a leak? 50 PSI adverse to 2000 PSI is the difference between a mild contaminant and a major disaster, dependending on injections or withdrawals, natural formations or a lined storage. I'll get my answer from someone more in line with enlightenment...Thank You
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#1516432 --- 07/06/18 08:03 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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I looked up a few of the links but as is the norm, these storage companies tell you only what you want to hear. I recall one incident from an abandon salt mine in Avoca where they horizontally drilled at 10000 ft only to hit a pocket of salt which was now salt brine. This new finding created another catastrophic event, adding salty brine to the Cohocton river along with natural gas (YES, they didn't realize that they were hydrofracturing and releasing gas into the river as well. Bottom line, in our endeavor to create a few jobs, these charlatans hire professional liars who are proficient at telling you that we are environmentally safe and there are no residuals to worry about. In the long haul, we pay a heavy price health wise just for a few dollars in return.

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#1516433 --- 07/06/18 08:14 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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I retired from LaChase who was contracted to build compressor stations to transport this gas but a short lived project turned into a long term nightmare. From my understanding, Seneca Lake has contaminants which are being concealed even by your local pumping station officials in Geneva. Ask for a genuine water sample analogy and watch the falsehoods that quickly formulate.

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#1516473 --- 07/07/18 07:20 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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First of all natural gas does not contaminated water because they do not mix together the natural gas just floats to the top and dissipates. Second, there are hundreds of contaminates that our water is not tested for.
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#1516474 --- 07/07/18 07:58 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Never said that it did Sir. When drilling, what is used at an lubricant? Your problem seems to be someone with little knowledge in regard to the subject but a few Google and now you're ready for a debate. Too many years of experience and education. I've more than likely forgotten more on the topic than you've garnered. Simply put, my question was in regard to pressure, the rest I know much about. laugh

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#1516475 --- 07/07/18 08:06 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
First of all natural gas does not contaminated water because they do not mix together the natural gas just floats to the top and dissipates. Second, there are hundreds of contaminates that our water is not tested for.


Now with that said, lets start a debate and watch me school you on a few things in regard to natural gas, LPG, salt mines, abandon coal mines ,drilling, electrical pumps, compressor engine, turbines.....lets begin when you're ready,hundred to one, I can embarrass you in a matter of minutes but in reality, I've done that already based on your defensive responses. If and when you proceed, let me introduce myself, an electrical engineer who worked in all the above criteria and environments.

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#1516493 --- 07/08/18 07:54 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Well go ahead then because I will just call the geologist at the DEC who inspects gas drilling operations.
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#1516494 --- 07/08/18 08:10 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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LOL, well it appears that you're just like our POTUS, thin skinned and unknowledgeable, worked yourself into a corner did you? now you squirm to save face. Get over yourself sir. cry

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#1516495 --- 07/08/18 08:15 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Well go ahead then because I will just call the geologist at the DEC who inspects gas drilling operations.


Intelligent people would have taken your suggestion in the first place adverse to "posing" as an expert yourself. Let me take a moment to check something.......... YEP!!!!!! all my credentials and profile are left intact in spite of of you. laugh Now be a good boy and bother someone else, I'm more interested in a real topic.

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#1516496 --- 07/08/18 11:18 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Let's see if I understand you correctly. Crestwood stores gas for other companies, right ? These companies are going to allow their gas to be stored in leaky salt caverns. RIGHT? Now it all makes perfect sense, everybody is in this to lose money.
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#1516660 --- 07/12/18 01:20 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Crestwood’s Bid for Permit to Store LPG In Salt Caverns Is Denied by DEC

Peter Mantius
July 12, 2018

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation has denied a permit application by a subsidiary of Crestwood Midstream Partners LP to store liquid petroleum gas, or LPG, in unlined caverns next to Seneca Lake, ending a eight-year regulatory battle.

Details to follow shortly.

https://waterfrontonline.blog/2018/07/12...-denied-by-dec/

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Let's see if I understand you correctly. Crestwood stores gas for other companies, right ? These companies are going to allow their gas to be stored in leaky salt caverns. RIGHT? Now it all makes perfect sense, everybody is in this to lose money.
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#1516663 --- 07/12/18 02:12 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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As the old saying goes " the devil's in the details"


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/12/18 02:14 PM)
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#1516669 --- 07/12/18 03:22 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Intersting how Schuyler County turned their back on the project just before it got flushed. They were so behind it. Oh, it must have been in the details. Not.


Edited by John Q Public (07/12/18 03:22 PM)

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#1516670 --- 07/12/18 03:36 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: John Q Public]
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Here is the link to the "details:"

Seggos on LPG

Notwithstanding the recommendations of the rulings or the replies of Department staff and applicant to the appeals, my review of the record indicates that petitioners Gas Free Seneca,Seneca Lake Pure Waters Association and Seneca Lake Communities have made compelling arguments concerning cavern integrity and, in particular, potential gas or other leakage that would lead me to reject the conclusion that no adjudicable issues exist.

Even if that were not the case, Applicant’s May 2018 letter, as well as the Gas Free Seneca response thereto, provides a sufficient basis to identify cavern integrity as an adjudicable issue.

As noted, applicant advised that U.S. Salt (which is a separate entity from Finger Lakes LPG) found that well 64, which U.S. Salt is presently developing, “may be in communication with either Gallery 10 (which consists of wells 18, 52 and 57) and/or other nearby wells” (Applicant’s May 2018 letter at 1). Applicant indicated that it will be submitting the results of pressure testing of Gallery 10, which will include various wells as additional monitoring points, and requests that the other participants in the proceeding have the opportunity to comment. In this instance, such a comment process is insufficient – the results and their implications, particularly as they are being provided at this late date, render the adjudication of the cavern integrity issue as the more appropriate course in this situation.

The results of the pressure testing of Gallery 10 and information from the additional monitoring points must be fully evaluated in the context of the prior analyses relating to gas migration, leakage and other aspects of cavern integrity.

Applicant’s May 2018 Letter, it is possible that other pathways for contamination flow would need to be evaluated.

A substantive and significant issue has been raised. Accordingly, the adjudication of the cavern integrity issue would not only be warranted, but demanded. Any adjudication would need to address the extent to which the findings of the investigation affect the conclusions of any of the matters relating to cavern integrity that were contained in the petitions and whether any new cavern-related integrity issues or contamination pathways have been identified.
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#1516671 --- 07/12/18 04:45 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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In the first post it says Crestwood asked for a delay.
https://www.dec.ny.gov/
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#1516672 --- 07/12/18 04:50 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: John Q Public]
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Originally Posted By: John Q Public
Intersting how Schuyler County turned their back on the project just before it got flushed. They were so behind it. Oh, it must have been in the details. Not.
as the old saying goes "it ain't over till it's over"
You obviously don't understand what you are reading.
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#1516673 --- 07/12/18 05:59 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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#1516677 --- 07/12/18 08:21 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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amp.pressconnects.com/amp/767871002

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#1516678 --- 07/12/18 09:16 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Crabby]
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Cuomo picked the perfect commissioner for this job. His decision is beautiful and exactly what the opponents wanted. Just one question, can you even build a house in the Finger Lakes now without going against all that rubbish.
I guess we'll just have to wait until the blue green algae scares everyone out of the Finger Lakes. Or maybe we will run out of heating fuel and get froze out.
Anyway Cuomo is up for re-election, if he looses Segos will get fired. Just like the Dekota Axis Pipe Line this decision is temporary, besides I doubt it will hold up in court.


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/12/18 09:20 PM)
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#1516687 --- 07/13/18 06:57 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Cuomo picked the perfect commissioner for this job. His decision is beautiful and exactly what the opponents wanted. Just one question, can you even build a house in the Finger Lakes now without going against all that rubbish.
I guess we'll just have to wait until the blue green algae scares everyone out of the Finger Lakes. Or maybe we will run out of heating fuel and get froze out.
Anyway Cuomo is up for re-election, if he looses Segos will get fired. Just like the Dekota Axis Pipe Line this decision is temporary, besides I doubt it will hold up in court.



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#1516688 --- 07/13/18 07:05 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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People seem to have a distorted unrealistic sence of value putting wine over heat. When a bottle of wine costs about $15 and a tank of propane about $9 there is something desperately wrong. The gas companies are probably sitting back laughing and counting the huge profits they will be making in the future. When your utility bill goes out of sight you can thank the environmentalist and Cuomo.
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#1516689 --- 07/13/18 07:43 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Betty.]
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Originally Posted By: Betty.


Don't bother me none, I actually think it's hilarious just how stupid people can be. If you would apply the same standards to agriculture (wineries) you might actually be accomplishing something. grin


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/13/18 07:44 AM)

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#1516690 --- 07/13/18 08:13 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: Betty.


Don't bother me none, I actually think it's hilarious just how stupid people can be. If you would apply the same standards to agriculture (wineries) you might actually be accomplishing something. grin


Apparently, it does because here we are days later and you systematically still whine over the ruling. whistle

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#1516713 --- 07/13/18 11:40 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Betty.


Don't bother me none, I actually think it's hilarious just how stupid people can be. If you would apply the same standards to agriculture (wineries) you might actually be accomplishing something. grin


Apparently, it does because here we are days later and you systematically still whine over the ruling. whistle
Where I am I don't have to deal with the consequences and I don't have family that will have to deal with it either. So I hope you liked the increase in your utility bill last year and I hope you are prepared for the next one and the next one and the next one and the next one
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#1516719 --- 07/13/18 11:46 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Hello_Governer]
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The LPG to be stored at Reading was to be moved by pipeline to serve New England and for export. In fact, this is mentioned in the decision:


On August 8, 2016, applicant filed a letter detailing several project modifications that it committed to implementing (Applicant’s August 8, 2016 Letter). The modifications include:

(1) the elimination of the proposal to store liquid butane at the facility and the reduction of propane storage capacity from 2.1 million barrels to 1.5 million barrels;

(2) the elimination of the project's rail and truck loading facilities, thereby eliminating the delivery of liquefied petroleum gas by rail or truck to or from the project -- as a result, all deliveries of liquefied petroleum gas would be by pipeline;



Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
People seem to have a distorted unrealistic sence of value putting wine over heat. When a bottle of wine costs about $15 and a tank of propane about $9 there is something desperately wrong. The gas companies are probably sitting back laughing and counting the huge profits they will be making in the future. When your utility bill goes out of sight you can thank the environmentalist and Cuomo.
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#1516720 --- 07/13/18 11:52 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Logically , I'm way ahead of the curve because having a clear understanding as to why we have astronomical heating an electrical bill cause one to take preventative actions in lowering one's utility bills. I'll tell you how this work once you get on board to what must Northern states already know. Maybe you 'll understand the fact that 75% of gas drilled in the United Sates and Canada is sold in those few states and why utilities clamor for a piece of the proverbial pie.

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#1516721 --- 07/13/18 12:00 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
In the first post it says Crestwood asked for a delay.
https://www.dec.ny.gov/
Cuomo and Segos are safe on this one. In reality who got their way ? I would have to say Crestwood. When the caverns have been tested they can just reapply but you can bet they'll wait till after the November elections.
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#1516723 --- 07/13/18 12:03 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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let me help you further, logistics are essential in gas delivery, if the needed commodity is in the Gulf of Mexico on Friday the 13th and it's 10 degrees out, someone is tough out of luck if the demand become high,thus the reason(s) for creating local (let's call them warehouse) to get the supplies to their destinations a whole lot quicker. Therein lies you problem, you need it that badly, you're going to pay a premium. Now for my point, Trump convince you and others that fossil fuel is our future, whereas in reality, renewable energy is where technology is headed, put two and two together and you'll understand why many Northerner are well prepared and can actually save money as we speak.

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#1516724 --- 07/13/18 12:05 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Utilities are just distributors the gas suppliers are more interested in exporting. grin It's a bigger pie.
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#1516725 --- 07/13/18 12:08 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Look up NYSEG/RGE averse to ElPaso energy now owned by Kinder Morgan
Oh you of little knowledge. laugh

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#1516728 --- 07/13/18 12:12 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
let me help you further, logistics are essential in gas delivery, if the needed commodity is in the Gulf of Mexico on Friday the 13th and it's 10 degrees out, someone is tough out of luck if the demand become high,thus the reason(s) for creating local (let's call them warehouse) to get the supplies to their destinations a whole lot quicker. Therein lies you problem, you need it that badly, you're going to pay a premium. Now for my point, Trump convince you and others that fossil fuel is our future, whereas in reality, renewable energy is where technology is headed, put two and two together and you'll understand why many Northerner are well prepared and can actually save money as we speak.
Unless you are 2 years old you won't see the end to fossil fuels and any savings you think you might see are because of tax payer and rate payers subsidies.
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#1516730 --- 07/13/18 12:17 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Never once said that it would son but check this out, my wife's car gets 32 MPG, my pickup truck, 20 MPG my 1970 Pontiac GTO? about 7 on a good day. Guess where the money goes for those utilizing antiquated equipment? confused

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#1516731 --- 07/13/18 12:18 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Look up NYSEG/RGE averse to ElPaso energy now owned by Kinder Morgan
Oh you of little knowledge. laugh
I wonder if Kinder Morgan relies on underground storage like Crestwood ? Bet it does ! Besides that stuff is just to get you to invest in their company. Just financial propaganda.
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#1516732 --- 07/13/18 12:20 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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I have an electric wheelchair and when the battery gets low I have an army of nurses to push me around. grin
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#1516734 --- 07/13/18 12:23 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Kinder Morgan did their homework when they organized, storage fields are usually investigated before being purchased thus minimizing local and state laws that hinder operating permits.

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#1516736 --- 07/13/18 12:25 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
I have an electric wheelchair and when the battery gets low I have an army of nurses to push me around. grin



I had a wheelchair myself a year ago. Now we get to see your typical loser, utilize comedy when the argument is an effort in futility. Yes I'm smiling at your ignorance.

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#1516737 --- 07/13/18 12:32 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Gee, I thought you were providing the comedy. After all you are defending the oil and gas industry and protesting it at the same time.
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#1516740 --- 07/13/18 12:38 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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LOL,every time you post, it shows your lack of knowledge thus the interjection of comedy. Now on the topic of "protesting" my home is 6 years old, I would love to tell you that it contains an oil fired furnace and 70 year old appliances. I'm quite impressed as to how energy efficient it is, so your implication that I need fossil based fuel is shear lunacy.

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#1516803 --- 07/13/18 05:50 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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So you must use whale oil in your " OIL FIRED FURNACE"

The fact that you have 70 year old appliances and a 1970 GTO tells me you have all your priorities in the wrong place. Before you criticize my intelligence again you might learn how to write.
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#1516804 --- 07/13/18 06:01 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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I have all my priorities in perfect order son, I'm a head on vehicle accident survivor and my wife is a cancer survivor, retired from the rat race at 55 to REALLY enjoy life because it's so precious and unpredictable. With that said, I have many toys and hobbies, gave the business to my Son and Nephew, spend time with the wife and will go on a cruise in a few weeks. Your attack on my writing abilities speaks volume to your maturity level, not to mention the fact that a lack of certain attributes never hindered my ability to obtain a degree in engineering, all which seem to get under your crawl. Please equate your personal attacks to that of a storage field being denied a permit? get back with me. LOL

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#1516810 --- 07/13/18 08:47 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Engineer your way around this

https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/kinder-morgan

Parent Company Name: Kinder Morgan
Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol KMI)
Headquartered in: Texas
Major Industry: pipelines
Specific Industry: pipelines
Penalty total since 2000: $166,398,894
Number of records: 133


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/13/18 08:55 PM)
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#1516811 --- 07/13/18 08:50 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Kinder Morgan did their homework when they organized, storage fields are usually investigated before being purchased thus minimizing local and state laws that hinder operating permits.
I'M an engineer he, he,he crazy
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#1516812 --- 07/13/18 09:02 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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check this out real quick, what wall thickness do they use on pipe casing and what on the buried pipe without casing? What is the hydostatic percentage needed to pass test....no cheating...hehehehehe

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#1516813 --- 07/13/18 09:04 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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quick, why hire a metallurgist?

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#1516814 --- 07/13/18 09:05 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Quick, what's the purpose of cathodic protection and how is it applied?

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#1516815 --- 07/13/18 09:06 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Quick, when was cathodic protection used commercially?

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#1516816 --- 07/13/18 09:08 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Quick what voltage is applied? DC or alternate, and correlate it to a cathodic bed

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#1516817 --- 07/13/18 09:11 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Quick, what's the reason for a DC converter and where does it get it's power source. This is enough to get you Googling for a few hours laugh .

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#1516818 --- 07/13/18 09:12 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Quick, if I apply too much current to the pipe, what happens?

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#1516819 --- 07/13/18 09:14 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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why use a disconnect on a commercial building?

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#1516820 --- 07/13/18 09:16 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What is a anode bed?

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#1516821 --- 07/13/18 09:17 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What material is used in an anode bed and what gauge wire or AVG

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#1516822 --- 07/13/18 09:20 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What's the purpose of an exciter on a Ingersol Rand commercial generator? laugh

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#1516823 --- 07/13/18 09:24 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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On a commercial reciprocating 4 stroke turbo engine with side compressors and cooling towers, do you use a pitched or fix fan blades.

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#1516824 --- 07/13/18 09:28 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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One more before I call it a night, how much horsepower is needed to move 3 million cubic feet of gas through a 30 inch pipeline in 4 hours?

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#1516832 --- 07/14/18 06:43 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Gee, I thought you were providing the comedy. After all you are defending the oil and gas industry and protesting it at the same time.


It was actually a pleasure wasting my time toying with you sir but more so, I've heard and seen thousands of individual as yourself who spent a few hours "educating" themselves for the sole purpose of debate. The sad aspect of your narrowed minded mentality, depending on your status in the community, you become the "resident expert" and now we have hundred of uneducated individuals arguing with the experts. One need not wonder as to why debacles originate at the inception of projects which may cause irreparable damage to our environment. BTW, it's not surprising when you failed to respond to my questioning seeing that I required an immediate response averse to the typical Google and I come back later with some half baked cockamamie response which reveals and confirms the fact that you have no ideal of that you speak. laugh
Lastly, I stupidly took your suggestion and checked my credentials, my only infraction in this debate, arguing with the unlearned.

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#1516834 --- 07/14/18 07:16 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Wow aren't we super impressed with ourself. Another self proclaimed genius, so tell me,if you're so smart what are you doing here ?
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#1516835 --- 07/14/18 07:20 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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LOL, I impressed that a loser still possess enough stamina and ignorance to think that someone cares to go down the road of lunacy once again.

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#1516836 --- 07/14/18 07:24 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wow aren't we super impressed with ourself. Another self proclaimed genius, so tell me,if you're so smart what are you doing here ?


You need to keep track of your posting son. Remember the wheel chair topic? spent a year in one and missed my cruise last year, so Formermac is being a good boy and taking it REAL slow and easy so he doesn't miss the upcoming pleasures. Now may I ask you the same son?

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#1516837 --- 07/14/18 07:24 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
LOL, I impressed that a loser still possess enough stamina and ignorance to think that someone cares to go down the road of lunacy once again.
we already know you are impressed with yourself.
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#1516838 --- 07/14/18 07:26 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac

You need to keep track of your posting son. Remember the wheel chair topic? spent a year in one and missed my cruise last year, so Formermac is being a good boy and taking it REAL slow and easy so he doesn't miss the upcoming pleasures. Now may I ask you the same son?
head injury no doubt


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/14/18 07:27 AM)
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#1516839 --- 07/14/18 07:26 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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AND we all know that you're embarrassed as Hell. laugh

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#1516840 --- 07/14/18 07:28 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
AND we all know that you're embarrassed as Hell. laugh
have another drink, you'll feel better
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#1516841 --- 07/14/18 07:28 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wow aren't we super impressed with ourself. Another self proclaimed genius, so tell me,if you're so smart what are you doing here ?


You need to keep track of your posting son. Remember the wheel chair topic? spent a year in one and missed my cruise last year, so Formermac is being a good boy and taking it REAL slow and easy so he doesn't miss the upcoming pleasures. Now may I ask you the same son?
head injury no doubt


Head injury...hmmmm...the topic is Multiple Salt Mines Leaks,who has taken the liberty to go off topic due his personal agenda?

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#1516842 --- 07/14/18 07:31 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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But you went off topic ! Start at page one. You change every topic to how smart you think you are!


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/14/18 07:45 AM)
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#1516843 --- 07/14/18 07:32 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Formermac
AND we all know that you're embarrassed as Hell. laugh
have another drink, you'll feel better


I'm a tea and coffee person myself, drinking clouds the mind. Seeing that you have not the fortitude or maturity to end this craziness, I'll leave you to your own devices....BYE BYE enjoy your day. grin

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#1516844 --- 07/14/18 07:36 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Formermac]
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Don't go away mad, just go away grin
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