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#1514915 --- 05/21/18 05:44 PM Multiple Salt Mine Leaks
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Crestwood acknowledges possible leaks in Seneca Lake salt mines:

"This new information suggests what we knew all along,
that the caverns are not stable and the gas could migrate if stored there,"


https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news...rage/629768002/

Apologist defense of Crestwood in 3... 2... 1... and GO! wink

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#1514916 --- 05/21/18 08:14 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Where does it say "Cedarwood acknowledges possible leaks ? Testing for leaks is standard practice. Maybe they are trying to prove that there are no leaks.


Edited by scwoodchuck (05/21/18 08:14 PM)
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#1514924 --- 05/22/18 11:14 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Here's the link to the letter from Crestwood

http://gasfreeseneca.com/wp-content/uplo...tion.PUBLIC.pdf

This what the Crestwood told the DEC:

"US Salt's operations as a separate entity continue, including the development of solution mining wells. Recently, during the development of one of these wells (well 64), we became aware that well 64 may be in communication with either Gallery 10 (which consists of wells 18, 52 and 57) and/or other nearby wells (including those also being solutioned by US Salt and other wells such as well 17 or 29)."

Crestwood didn't find the "communication" between salt and proposed gas storage caverns, US Salt, recently purchased from Crestwood for $225 million, did. Guess they didn't want their investment to blow up.

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Where does it say "Cedarwood acknowledges possible leaks ? Testing for leaks is standard practice. Maybe they are trying to prove that there are no leaks.
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#1514932 --- 05/22/18 06:05 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Wonder why some of it was blacked out ?
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#1514934 --- 05/22/18 07:51 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Earth justice ? Isn't that the same radical environmental group that fought the Dakota Access Pipeline and lost ?
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#1514935 --- 05/23/18 02:47 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Earth justice ? Isn't that the same radical environmental group that fought the Dakota Access Pipeline and lost ?

Hardly "Radical" when they were simply working to prevent such utterly predictable massive contamination, as the 210,000 gallons of oil from five separate leaks in less than 6 months of operation. Everybody saw it coming except for the "non-radicals", apparently.

FIVE SPILLS, SIX MONTHS IN OPERATION: DAKOTA ACCESS TRACK RECORD HIGHLIGHTS UNAVOIDABLE REALITY... PIPELINES LEAK:
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/09/dakota-access-pipeline-leak-energy-transfer-partners/
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#1514938 --- 05/23/18 08:45 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Crestwood claimed that some of the scientific data was confidential and can only be reviewed by the outside experts who were employed by the intervenors, as well as the attorneys. The parts redacted include information deemed to be confidential.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wonder why some of it was blacked out ?
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#1514945 --- 05/23/18 11:54 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Highly unlikely ! It's more probable it was something earth justice didn't want the public to see. Scientific data is known widely by most professionals and might even be publicly available from USGS.


Edited by scwoodchuck (05/23/18 12:01 PM)
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#1514947 --- 05/23/18 12:52 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Highly unlikely ! It's more probable it was something earth justice didn't want the public to see. Scientific data is known widely by most professionals and might even be publicly available from USGS.

Gee, your crystal ball's getting kinda defensive, don'tcha think? smirk
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#1514951 --- 05/23/18 05:17 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Defensive ? No ! You just don't know as much as you think you know.
http://tcprogressives.org/2017/05/16/did...-cayuga-lake-2/
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#1514952 --- 05/23/18 05:32 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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#1514957 --- 05/23/18 10:10 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Nope, wrong again.

DEC Laws, regs and policy allow operators to keep "evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic " confidential as a "trade secret."


Well Data Confidentiality

Basis for Holding Drilling Data Confidential


Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.

Public Disclosure Standards for Drilling Data Never exempted from public disclosure:

permit applications
information on the total depth of wells
well plugging records

Automatically held confidential for six months:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys
annual well (oil and gas production) reports (confidentiality ends July 1 following the calendar year to which the reports apply)

Held confidential for six months with possible extension to two years:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys

ECL Section 23-0313 and Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describe the procedures for requesting a two year extension.

May be defined as trade secrets eligible for continuous confidential status:

detailed analysis, opinion, interpretation or evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic

Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describes the guidelines for requesting "trade secret" status.

Never publicly disclosed without operator's consent:

brine production reported by individual solution mining operators

Well data confidentiality
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#1514958 --- 05/23/18 10:22 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Defensive ? No ! You just don't know as much as you think you know.
http://tcprogressives.org/2017/05/16/did...-cayuga-lake-2/

C'mon now, that made absolutely no sense, whatsoever.
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#1514965 --- 05/24/18 06:53 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Nope, wrong again.

DEC Laws, regs and policy allow operators to keep "evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic " confidential as a "trade secret."


Well Data Confidentiality

Basis for Holding Drilling Data Confidential


Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.

Public Disclosure Standards for Drilling Data Never exempted from public disclosure:

permit applications
information on the total depth of wells
well plugging records

Automatically held confidential for six months:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys
annual well (oil and gas production) reports (confidentiality ends July 1 following the calendar year to which the reports apply)

Held confidential for six months with possible extension to two years:
well logs and samples
well drilling and completion reports
directional surveys

ECL Section 23-0313 and Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describe the procedures for requesting a two year extension.

May be defined as trade secrets eligible for continuous confidential status:

detailed analysis, opinion, interpretation or evaluation of factual data, such as reservoir study or analysis records, reports or studies of a formation or geologic phenomenon, or some other significant topic

Technical Guidance Memorandum 90-3 describes the guidelines for requesting "trade secret" status.

Never publicly disclosed without operator's consent:

brine production reported by individual solution mining operators

Well data confidentiality
OH BOY are you confused. Crestwood AIN'T MINING or drilling new wells and aren't producing anything.
Did you even READ it
Certain data filed with the Division of Mineral Resources are held confidential according to Section 23-0313 of the Oil, Gas and Solution Mining Law and Section 87-2 of the New York State Public Officers Law.


Edited by scwoodchuck (05/24/18 06:59 AM)
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#1514966 --- 05/24/18 07:08 AM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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#1514983 --- 05/24/18 05:21 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Edited by scwoodchuck (05/24/18 05:36 PM)
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#1514984 --- 05/24/18 06:25 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Start your own threads instead of hijacking this one.
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#1514986 --- 05/24/18 06:39 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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I'm a little surprised that Cayuga Indians haven't weighed in on this and/or the incinerator, given that Native culture generally considers the lakes sacred.

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#1514987 --- 05/24/18 09:10 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Start your own threads instead of hijacking this one.
Winning the debate is not hijacking the thread :-P
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#1514988 --- 05/24/18 09:12 PM Re: Multiple Salt Mine Leaks [Re: Devil's Advocate]
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Originally Posted By: Devil's Advocate
I'm a little surprised that Cayuga Indians haven't weighed in on this and/or the incinerator, given that Native culture generally considers the lakes sacred.
They worship a new GREAT SPIRIT, the DOLLAR.
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