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#1513979 --- 04/04/18 10:19 PM How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money
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Supervisor Hayssen opposes multi-million dollar overhaul of facilities in Waterloo

Published: 03/17/2018 @ 12:55 am |
Updated: 03/16/2018 @ 03:32 pm

Purchasing the former BonaDent building — known now as the ‘Health & Senior Services Building’ for $3.2 was controversial.

Since then, Seneca County obtained a Facilities Master Plan for Design & Engineering of the County Office Building — located at 1 DiPronio Dr. — and the new ‘Health & Senior Services’ space. The plan was put together by Passero Associates, who County Manager John Sheppard said at the start of this process — in 2017 was an ideal fit for the work.

It was a multi-phase undertaking, which started by moving Public Health, Environmental Health and Office of the Aging over to the new space. It meant two large spaces on the first floor of the County Office Building being vacated. Those moves paved the way for Mental Health, which is located at a building on Thurber Dr. in need of serious, expensive work — to come over into space formerly occupied by the Office of the Aging.

Controversy has followed this effort from the start, and now, the challenge from a handful of supervisors to prevent the County from spending millions-more has put the second phase of the project on hold.

However, those phases known as ‘2A’ and ‘2B’ — go well-beyond renovating and moving the Mental Health Department to its future first floor home. The supervisors who oppose movement on the proposal, and who stopped it from leaving committee on Tuesday — say the County should only act on moving Mental Health — and cautiously evaluate some of the extra undertakings.

Sheppard explained the upcoming phases of the project last week — highlighting the importance of doing the work in a timely, affordable manner. “The next step of the Facilities Master Plan for the Design & Engineering of the vacated space of Office of the Aging, refurbishment of the DMV and County Clerk, repositioning some space of the Board of Elections, and a third floor Emergency Operations Center,” he explained.

At a special Public Works Committee meeting on Tuesday — the supervisors denied a request to take the next step in the process. Supervisor Bob Hayssen (R-Varick) said the cost is too much. “This whole thing will end up costing the County and taxpayers $8 or $9 million when all is said and done,” he explained. “And you want to spend $500,000 in the Board of Supervisors room alone.”

Hayssen was referencing the appearance — among some concerned supervisors — that County Manager Sheppard is overstepping and pushing this despite board interest not being there. The Varick Supervisor also said that Sheppard should have done more to educate the board on what the details were. “There was no presentation — just a one-time explanation about millions of dollars in spending.”

Supervisor Cindy Lorenzetti (D-Fayette) agreed with Hayssen’s sentiment, and said that the whole thing feels like it’s being pushed onto the board. “We should be taking a much more cautious role with this project. We haven’t been given any tours. We haven’t been given any explanations beyond the one-time handout of the outline — and that’s just not good enough for taxpayers,” she said on Friday. “I completely oppose spending millions of dollars on these renovations.”

Accountability to taxpayers was a high-priority for both supervisors who openly opposed the changes. “I take it seriously because I’m a resident and taxpayer. I hear what people say — and we’re the ones — not the County Manager — who have to represent them,” Lorenzetti concluded.

Supervisor Hayssen saw a way forward — despite the grim outlook on the overall proposal. “Let’s get Mental Health done. We can get Mental Health moved over to the first floor of the County Office Building and then look at the rest carefully,” he continued. “Just stick with Mental Health and not get distracted.”

Hayssen also took issue with the spending of del Lago revenues on the building in the first place. “Taxpayers supported del Lago in hopes of a tax break — not a tax increase, and not spending the money on a pie in the sky proposal. I said we should stick with Mental Health — and that’s what [the County] should do.”

Sheppard sees no path forward at the moment. “Unless the Board of Supervisors become receptive to re-engage on the Design & Engineering of the County Office Building’s vacated space, the Mental Health Department will stay in its existing space on Thurber Drive,” he added. “The County will minimally maintain the nearly-18,000 sq-ft of vacant office space in both buildings.

From the start, the goal was to streamline the services offered in the County Office Building, and create space for those services previously-housed in the Thurber Drive location given the amount of money, and work needed there. “The existing Public Health Building on Thurber Drive is beyond useful life,” Sheppard explained. And as for the prospect of updates to the County Office Building — they’re necessary, too. “The County Office Building is 28 years young but in need of refurbishment and energy efficient enhancements,” Sheppard concluded.

Hayssen said once a project of this nature gets going there is no ‘stopping’ or thinking about it; and stopped is precisely the status this development now.
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#1513980 --- 04/04/18 10:40 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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After buying the Bonadent Building, the county manager has proposed spending an additional $6.1 million to remodel the county office building. One of the items is to remodel the BOS meeting room for an estimated $500,000. We all know the actual cost will be twice that.

I rarely agree with Supervisor Hayssen. But this time he is correct. The del Lago money should be used to reduce taxes, not an unnecessary remodel of the office building.

There is an item on the BOS agenda for next week to approve the contract for architectural and engineering services for "part a and part b" of the facilites management plan.

All that is needed is the work to design the space to move the Mental Health Department to the space vacated by the office for the aging.

The need to remodel the clerk's office, the BOE, the IT department, move 911 (again) from the first floor to the third floor, etc. should be put on hold until the ENTIRE PROPOSAL AND COST are presented, not only to the BOS, but to the public, along with a cost benefit analysis.

$500,000, plus engineering and architectural services for a room used twice a month seems pretty foolish to me.
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#1513997 --- 04/05/18 01:07 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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If I had to guess, you would be a Democrat on the County Board.
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#1514003 --- 04/05/18 03:18 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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SORRY, I'M A LIFE LONG REPUBLICAN.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
If I had to guess, you would be a Democrat on the County Board.
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#1514004 --- 04/05/18 04:59 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
SORRY, I'M A LIFE LONG REPUBLICAN.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
If I had to guess, you would be a Democrat on the County Board.
and I'M the POPE crazy
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#1514008 --- 04/05/18 06:33 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What does any of this have to do with spending $6.1 million (estimated) on remodeling the County Office Building?

Are you in favor of this idea?
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#1514009 --- 04/05/18 08:48 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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I don't respond to estimates or Democratic propaganda besides I understand there is grant money involved


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#1514012 --- 04/05/18 09:45 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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No, it is all coming from money from del Lago transferred to the Capital section of the budget. That is how the CM bought and rehabbed the Bonadent Building.

What grant money from the state pays for unnecessary remodeling? There isn't money to repair sewer and water infrastructure.

Who is telling you this stuff? Sources please?
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#1514025 --- 04/06/18 11:53 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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So what you're saying is that they shouldn't spend casino money on this and the money should be used to help a small number of people get cheap water. Is the county going to help Waterloo with their 4 town water project ? NO, because all County residents should benefit from casino money in some way. What they are doing is trying to provide better services for all County residents which is corrupt in your tiny little brain.
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#1514026 --- 04/06/18 12:42 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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No, the money should not be used for water or sewer (Which I think would be illegal anyway), but to reduce taxes and improve services.

So $500,000 to beautify the Supervisor's meeting room where 14 people meet twice a month is a better way to spend the money? Who benefits from that....the engineers and architects that are pushing the project...not the general public.


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So what you're saying is that they shouldn't spend casino money on this and the money should be used to help a small number of people get cheap water. Is the county going to help Waterloo with their 4 town water project ? NO, because all County residents should benefit from casino money in some way. What they are doing is trying to provide better services for all County residents which is corrupt in your tiny little brain.
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#1514036 --- 04/07/18 07:52 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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WRONG, WRONG and WRONG
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#1514038 --- 04/07/18 02:14 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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The del Lago money should be used to lower property taxes, period. This county (and it seems everyone in NYS) just love to spend it as fast as it comes in.

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#1514040 --- 04/07/18 06:04 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: MCK]
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Sure, use casino money to lower taxes then raise taxes for projects like this and other necessary improvements and repairs. Keep in mind that the mental health building needs extensive repairs but with this project that building may be sold.

Good thing you 2 ain't running the county.
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#1514041 --- 04/07/18 06:18 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Has anyone been in the former Bonadent building? Its rough. I think buying it was a kneejerk impulse buy by the Supervisors.

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#1514042 --- 04/07/18 08:00 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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None of the remodeling is "necessary" except to prepare the space for Mental Health.

And, if the county manager keeps describing the old Health/Mental Health building as past it's useful life, it is not going to be easy to sell.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Sure, use casino money
to lower taxes then raise taxes for projects like this and other necessary improvements and repairs. Keep in mind that the mental health building needs extensive repairs but with this project that building may be sold.

Good thing you 2 ain't running the county.
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#1514058 --- 04/08/18 04:48 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Commercial property in Seneca County is NEVER an easy sell, DUH
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#1514179 --- 04/17/18 08:47 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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I see a lot of other items in the county that need to be improved. I don't think the money spent for the Bonadent building was good use of money. I see a lot of wasted space in the county office building that could have been remodeled and used for county services and would may have been about the same price as the cost of purchasing and renovating the Bonadent building and would have consolidated buildings. Also, what is being done with the old Sheriffs office and jail. Could that not have been renovated as well. I know many other municipalities in this country have done that and have saved their tax payers a lot of money and did not tax properties off the tax rolls.
I did find it interesting that both a D and an R agree on spending too much money. Usually the Ds want to spend spend spend. Not this time.
In answer to the question about "why not spend this money?" It is my understanding that this county has frittered away most of the money and does not have a a lot in reserves at the moment. I do not understand where all the tax money the county gets from the sales tax generated at Outlets, wineries, breweries, and other businesses in the county and now the casino goes. Final question as I don't know the answer and hope that someone does. Does Mr. Sheppard live in Seneca County?

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#1514180 --- 04/17/18 10:18 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: deadphilosopher]
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Don't see him on the property tax rolls. But the county manager has to live in the county. Maybe he rents?
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#1514185 --- 04/18/18 06:09 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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The county manager DOES live in Seneca County. As a matter of fact he lives within 500 feet of the County office building. By the way the old jail was demolished a couple of years ago. Part of it is now the District Attorney's office. That project was definitely a waste of money. There is a lot of "TWISTING OF THE FACTS" and false information being spread about the Bonadent building. There are a few members of the County Board who are intentionally trying to cause trouble for the county manager.
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#1514186 --- 04/18/18 06:22 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: deadphilosopher]
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Obviously you don't get around much ! Are you aware that the ARC'S MANUFACTURING FACILITY is right next door ? Are you aware that the ARC plans to expand ? Are you aware that the Cornell Cooperative Extension has leased part of the building and a day care for Del Lago is planned where Bonadent's day care Was ? Funny how some people criticize before knowing all the facts.
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