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#1513019 --- 02/04/18 04:23 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Federal law bars the state from taxing Native Americans or businesses headquartered on Indian lands.
What is Indian Land and what is not?

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#1513093 --- 02/07/18 08:20 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Federal law bars the state from taxing Native Americans or businesses headquartered on Indian lands. smirk


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In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.
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#1513095 --- 02/07/18 08:46 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Federal law bars the state from taxing Native Americans or businesses headquartered on Indian lands. smirk



federal law?

just checked google maps

see no FEDERAL 'reservations' in New York State on google maps

yawn...
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#1513096 --- 02/07/18 08:55 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Federal law bars the state from taxing Native Americans


all federal, state and local laws apply to all US citizens

if one does not renounce their US citizenship than they are a US citizen

all laws apply equally

yawn...
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#1513097 --- 02/07/18 09:18 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Federal law bars the state from taxing Native Americans or businesses headquartered on Indian lands. smirk


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Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill

In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.
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#1513104 --- 02/07/18 02:44 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
[quote=Timbo]
Federal law bars the state from taxing Native Americans or businesses headquartered on Indian lands. smirk


Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill

In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.

And yet, you still can't enforce a payment schedule that isn't clearly laid-out in any compact, treaty, contract or agreement. Period.

Originally Posted By: Timbo

As the Senecas correctly point out, the compact remains in effect, but the payment schedule ran out in 2016.

The state failed to take notice of that fact.
smirk

And even IF that were not the case, the State has no legal authority to enforce payment. The Federal govt. alone has that authority (however illegally arrived at).
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#1513111 --- 02/08/18 10:09 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
And yet, you still can't enforce a payment schedule that isn't clearly laid-out in any compact


did the federal government approve the compact?
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#1513112 --- 02/08/18 10:18 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Senecas correctly point out, the compact remains in effect


the compact was made cuz the casinos were built on NYS land

Originally Posted By: Timbo
the State has no legal authority to enforce payment.


NYS has the authority to foreclose on those properties

do not pay your property taxes on your property and see how NYS handles your situtation
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#1513121 --- 02/08/18 11:42 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
And yet, you still can't enforce a payment schedule that isn't clearly laid-out in any compact

did the federal government approve the compact?

Irrelevant.

The compact clearly stipulates payments though 2016. It makes absolutely no mention (implied or otherwise) of any payments beyond that.

All IGRA agreements require clear specification of ALL terms and conditions.
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#1513126 --- 02/08/18 12:19 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Senecas correctly point out, the compact remains in effect

the compact was made cuz the casinos were built on NYS land

Originally Posted By: Timbo
the State has no legal authority to enforce payment.

NYS has the authority to foreclose on those properties

do not pay your property taxes on your property and see how NYS handles your situtation

You can't foreclose on something when no payment agreements have been breached. Period.

The state clearly duffed this one and now has to live with its extreme carelessness, precisely as NAs have previously had to for very the same reason. You can't alter a compact/contract retroactively simply because you made an outrageously stupid mistake. Especially in circumstances of such fundamental importance.

Caveat Emptor!
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#1513140 --- 02/09/18 08:19 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
The compact clearly stipulates payments though 2016.


why would a 'compact' be needed if the land was 'federal reservation' land?
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#1513141 --- 02/09/18 08:35 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't foreclose on something when no payment agreements have been breached.


when you purchased your home you were aware that if you did not pay the taxes the local government can foreclose on

or did you sign a 'compact' stating NYS removed that right grin

business owners that do not pay their taxes (property, income, sales...) have their property foreclosed on for failing to pay those taxes

the 'tribes' casinos are ON NYS land further proving why a 'compact' was needed

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#1513143 --- 02/09/18 08:55 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
And yet, you still can't enforce a payment schedule that isn't clearly laid-out in any compact

did the federal government approve the compact?

Irrelevant.


did it need federal approval or not?


Originally Posted By: Timbo
All IGRA agreements require clear specification of ALL terms and conditions.


IGRA would not apply if federal approval was not needed

keep chasing your tail...
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#1513166 --- 02/10/18 12:10 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't foreclose on something when no payment agreements have been breached, Period.

The state clearly duffed this one and now has to live with its extreme carelessness, precisely as NAs have previously had to for the very same reason. You can't alter a compact/contract retroactively simply because you made an outrageously stupid mistake. Especially in circumstances of such fundamental importance.

Caveat Emptor!


when you purchased your home you were aware that if you did not pay the taxes the local government can foreclose on

or did you sign a 'compact' stating NYS removed that right grin

business owners that do not pay their taxes (property, income, sales...) have their property foreclosed on for failing to pay those taxes

the 'tribes' casinos are ON NYS land further proving why a 'compact' was needed


1) Non Sequiturs ALL, therefore irrelevant.

2) No one is responsible for contractual "obligations" not specifically enumerated, Period.
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#1513168 --- 02/10/18 02:54 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't alter a compact/contract retroactively simply because you made an outrageously stupid mistake.


blame joseph brant for siding with the british
the british lost and so did those that sided with the british

Originally Posted By: Timbo
The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British and was instrumental in leading combined Indian, British, and Loyalist forces on punishing raids in western New York and Pennsylvania in 1778 and 1779.
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#1513170 --- 02/10/18 03:02 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't alter a compact/contract retroactively simply because you made an outrageously stupid mistake.


show us a 'treaty' clearly stating these programs

one does not exist

Quote:
John Stossel: Freeloading doesn't help the freeloader Indians
Wednesday, March 30, 2011


"No group has been more "helped" by the American government than American Indians. Yet no group in America does worse.

Almost a quarter of Native Americans live in poverty. 66 percent are born to single mothers. They have short life spans. Indian activists say the solution is -surprise- more money from the government. But Washington already spends about $13 billion on programs for Indians every year.

There are special programs in 20 different Departments and Agencies: Empowering Tribal Nations Initiative, Advancing Nation to Nation Relationships, Protecting Indian Country, Improving Trust Land Management, New Energy Frontier Initiative, Climate Change Adaptation Initiative, Construction, Improving Trust Management, Tribal Priority Allocations, Resolving Land and Water Claims, Indian Land Consolidation Program. This is just a partial list.

I say government already does too much. Indians would be better off without government handouts. I have evidence: tribes not recognized by the federal government, tribes that get no special help, often do better
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#1513180 --- 02/10/18 04:07 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone

"No group has been more 'helped' by the American government than American Indians. Yet no group in America does worse." -John Stossel.

If by "helped", he means virtually wiped-out through Genocide and stripped of their land, way of life, resources, sacred grounds, autonomy and sovereignty by white, European settlers and their descendants, then yes... certainly NO group does worse. eek
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#1513182 --- 02/10/18 04:11 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't alter a compact/contract retroactively simply because you made an outrageously stupid mistake.
show us a 'treaty' clearly stating these programs

Are you completely out of your alleged "mind"? What in the world are you referring to? crazy
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#1513186 --- 02/10/18 04:27 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
If by "helped", he means virtually wiped-out through Genocide and stripped of their land, way of life, resources, sacred grounds, autonomy and sovereignty by white, European settlers and their descendants,


ring up the queen with your concerns
the british LOST

Originally Posted By: Timbo

The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British and was instrumental in leading combined Indian, British, and Loyalist forces on punishing raids in western New York and Pennsylvania in 1778 and 1779.


Originally Posted By: Timbo

Most fought with the British, but all lost in the Peace which followed. The Preliminary Articles of Peace of 1782 did not mention the Native Americans at all. Brant was outraged that the British were selling out the tribes.The British failed to set aside areas which were promised by Treaties they had made with the tribes.
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#1513187 --- 02/10/18 04:35 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't alter a compact/contract retroactively simply because you made an outrageously stupid mistake.
show us a 'treaty' clearly stating these programs

What in the world are you referring to?


it was the part of my post that you just 'deleted' out of your quote
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