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#1508107 --- 11/04/17 04:18 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: gassy one]
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...able/825346001/

WASHINGTON ó Recent revelations that money from Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped pay for a dossier alleging ties between Donald Trump and Russia have drawn comparisons to a meeting that Trump campaign officials had at Trump Tower last year with Russians promising "dirt" on Clinton.

The Trump Tower meeting has become just one focal point in a sweeping investigation by three congressional committees and special counsel Robert Mueller into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.

But President Trump and some of his allies have pointed to the Democrats' funding of the dossier to allege that it is the "real" Russian collusion scandal because it included some information from Russian sources.

Are the two actions really comparable? Here's a look:

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5. So is there any real difference in what the two campaigns did?

Yes, experts say there are significant legal differences.

"One side is a private investigator under contract and the other involves alleged collaboration with a hostile government seeking to meddle in the U.S. election," said Andrew Wright, an associate professor at Savannah Law School in Georgia and former staff director of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The Trump campaign's actions could put it at odds with federal election law, Wright said.

"Campaign finance laws prohibit soliciting or receiving a 'thing of value' from a foreign entity because that would constitute an illegal campaign contribution," he said. "Information could amount to an illegal in-kind contribution from a foreign government. Russia repeatedly dangled information in order to get its hooks into the Trump campaign."

In contrast, Wright said, "Fusion GPS was paid for opposition research services at arms-length. As such, it was not a campaign contribution but rather contracted services."

The fact that Steele ended up talking to a couple of Russian sources to compile his dossier doesn't change that, experts said.

Charles Tiefer, a professor at the University of Baltimore School of Law and the special deputy chief counsel for the House Iran-Contra Committee's investigation of the Reagan administration, said the actions by the two campaigns "could not be more different."

"Steele was British, but there is no reason to believe Britain ... was meddling in the election," Tiefer said. "In contrast, the Russian effort to interfere in the U.S. election connected in a number of ways with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin and his network. The Russian effort was very active on many election fronts, such as hacking, publicizing hacked materials, placing ads in social media with undisclosed identities, and seeking to work directly with the Trump campaign."

6. How do the two campaigns characterize each other's actions?

In her interview on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, Clinton said there was a major difference between her campaign paying for legal opposition research and Trump's team possibly colluding with Russia to influence the U.S. election.

"I think most serious people understand that," Clinton said.

Trump has called the Democrats' funding of the dossier "a sad commentary on politics in this country."

"I think itís very sad what they've done with this fake dossier," Trump told reporters on Oct. 25. "It was made up, and I understand they paid a tremendous amount of money, and Hillary Clinton always denied it. The Democrats always denied it, and now only because itís going to come out in a court case, they said, yes, they did it. They admitted it, and they're embarrassed by it, but I think itís a disgrace."
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#1508210 --- 11/05/17 08:28 PM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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A crook is a crook Kyle no matter how you try and spin it thus CROOKED HILARY earns her name! She will be indicted over the Clinton Foundation no doubt!

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#1508246 --- 11/06/17 02:22 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
A crook is a crook Kyle no matter how you try and spin it
This is true. That is why I become more certain every day that Trump will not last four years in the White House.
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#1508247 --- 11/06/17 02:23 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
CROOKED HILARY earns her name!
It doesn't count when a crook named Trump gave her that name.
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#1508248 --- 11/06/17 02:24 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
She will be indicted over the Clinton Foundation no doubt!
Maybe but it is not even being investigated yet to my knowledge.
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#1508249 --- 11/06/17 02:26 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/05/brazile-democrats-clinton-sanders-dnc-244574

That came on the heels of an excerpt published by POLITICO Magazine about how Brazile said she discovered the Clinton campaign had essentially rigged the DNC ó if not the primary itself ó in Clintonís favor long before she became the nominee, apparently confirming the worst suspicions of Bernie Sandersí campaign.

"The timing couldn't have been worse. It does us no good to hash out all this stuff. At this point, we should be looking to the future ó what's done is done," said former DNC chairman and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, pointing to the financial arrangement at the center of Brazile's account. "There was no crime committed, but it would've been easy to avoid. [So] I don't think it was rigged, I think what the DNC did was just awful."
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#1508333 --- 11/07/17 08:32 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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The crime is the Clinton Foundation!

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#1508417 --- 11/08/17 05:24 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: gassy one]
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Trump and the Republican lost big last night nation wide!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/election-firsts-lgbt-minorities/index.html

Election night brings historic wins for minority and LGBT candidates

By Madison Park, CNN

Updated 6:16 AM ET, Wed November 8, 2017

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#1508419 --- 11/08/17 05:38 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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Keep up with your great postings Kyle. Admittedly, it's sometime frustrating to listen to the uneducated ramblings of a few here but last night's beatdown of Trump's agenda reminds us of the great nation we endeared ourselves to before he came on the scene to create divisiveness through racism, bigotry, hate and name calling. A lesson learned locally on this forum, Trump like rhetoric isn't as popular as you believe it to be.

On another topic, did I hear that Obamacare signups are at a record pace?


Edited by Formermac (11/08/17 05:42 AM)

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#1508421 --- 11/08/17 05:56 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
On another topic, did I hear that Obamacare signups are at a record pace?
I saw that headline but I haven't had time to follow up on it.
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#1508423 --- 11/08/17 05:58 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/record-number-americans-sign-obamacare-article-1.3615671


BY
Ginger Adams Otis
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, November 6, 2017, 9:40 PM

A record number of Americans have signed up for Obamacare in the first few days of open enrollment ó despite White House cuts to outreach and promotion.

More than 200,000 people signed up Nov. 1, a Trump administration source told The Hill, which first reported on the surge.

Thatís double the 100,000 who signed up on the first day of enrollment a year ago.

Web traffic to the healthcare.gov site that enrolls people in the Affordable Care Act also set a new record. Roughly 1 million visitors browsed the site, compared to 750,000 on Nov. 1 a year ago, The Hill said.
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#1508424 --- 11/08/17 06:12 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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let it go on record, the best way for the Democrats to continue their win, Trump is your man for a clear path to victory.

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#1508607 --- 11/09/17 10:50 PM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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Won't go far with no money to fund it Kyle!

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#1508666 --- 11/10/17 11:22 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Won't go far with no money to fund it Kyle!

And if he does, he'll be impeached and convicted for illegal acts. Only congress can defund it, and THAT is clearly not even CLOSE to happening any time soon. They want to be re-elected.
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#1508679 --- 11/10/17 05:38 PM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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Alleged and possibly are two words that make the rest speculation. Taxpayers have wasted as much money on this as Clintonís did to create it.

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#1508680 --- 11/10/17 05:47 PM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Alleged and possibly are two words that make the rest speculation. Taxpayers have wasted as much money on this as Clintonís did to create it.


You mean the amount of money stolen from the taxpayers. Please cite the amount of money spent to appeal the ACA while reminding yourself of the cost to shutdown the government by the GOP several years ago. yet somehow it makes sense to add 1.7 trillion dollars to the deficit to get more money into Trump's pocket.

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#1508681 --- 11/10/17 06:01 PM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Alleged and possibly are two words that make the rest speculation. Taxpayers have wasted as much money on this as Clintonís did to create it.


Can you speculate how many billions of dollars are illegally stolen from American business along with American citizens by Russian hacks? What amount of time and money should be focused on them or should we just ignorantly do a "Trump" turn a blind eye and falsely believe that it will go away?

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#1508696 --- 11/10/17 09:03 PM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: Formermac]
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It has been done for years! Russia and China both!

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#1508950 --- 11/16/17 04:57 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/r...inia/index.html

Republican governors fear a 2018 midterm wipeout after Virginia loss

By Eric Bradner, CNN

Republican governors sense a wave coming -- and they're terrified it could wipe them out in next year's elections.

The three dozen GOP governors gathering here this week for a Republican Governors Association meeting -- including some close allies of President Donald Trump -- said they were jarred by Democrats' easy victory in the Virginia governor's race last week.

"Just simply the intensity of the opposition -- I think that's what was reflected in the Virginia vote," said Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson. "That should be a wake-up call to all of our supporters in the elections next year."
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#1508957 --- 11/16/17 08:04 AM Re: Trump "Fritzing Out" [Re: kyle585]
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You're an idiot Kyle! The liberal should have won in a liberal state like they did in 2016!

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