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#1513979 --- 04/04/18 10:19 PM How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money
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Supervisor Hayssen opposes multi-million dollar overhaul of facilities in Waterloo

Published: 03/17/2018 @ 12:55 am |
Updated: 03/16/2018 @ 03:32 pm

Purchasing the former BonaDent building — known now as the ‘Health & Senior Services Building’ for $3.2 was controversial.

Since then, Seneca County obtained a Facilities Master Plan for Design & Engineering of the County Office Building — located at 1 DiPronio Dr. — and the new ‘Health & Senior Services’ space. The plan was put together by Passero Associates, who County Manager John Sheppard said at the start of this process — in 2017 was an ideal fit for the work.

It was a multi-phase undertaking, which started by moving Public Health, Environmental Health and Office of the Aging over to the new space. It meant two large spaces on the first floor of the County Office Building being vacated. Those moves paved the way for Mental Health, which is located at a building on Thurber Dr. in need of serious, expensive work — to come over into space formerly occupied by the Office of the Aging.

Controversy has followed this effort from the start, and now, the challenge from a handful of supervisors to prevent the County from spending millions-more has put the second phase of the project on hold.

However, those phases known as ‘2A’ and ‘2B’ — go well-beyond renovating and moving the Mental Health Department to its future first floor home. The supervisors who oppose movement on the proposal, and who stopped it from leaving committee on Tuesday — say the County should only act on moving Mental Health — and cautiously evaluate some of the extra undertakings.

Sheppard explained the upcoming phases of the project last week — highlighting the importance of doing the work in a timely, affordable manner. “The next step of the Facilities Master Plan for the Design & Engineering of the vacated space of Office of the Aging, refurbishment of the DMV and County Clerk, repositioning some space of the Board of Elections, and a third floor Emergency Operations Center,” he explained.

At a special Public Works Committee meeting on Tuesday — the supervisors denied a request to take the next step in the process. Supervisor Bob Hayssen (R-Varick) said the cost is too much. “This whole thing will end up costing the County and taxpayers $8 or $9 million when all is said and done,” he explained. “And you want to spend $500,000 in the Board of Supervisors room alone.”

Hayssen was referencing the appearance — among some concerned supervisors — that County Manager Sheppard is overstepping and pushing this despite board interest not being there. The Varick Supervisor also said that Sheppard should have done more to educate the board on what the details were. “There was no presentation — just a one-time explanation about millions of dollars in spending.”

Supervisor Cindy Lorenzetti (D-Fayette) agreed with Hayssen’s sentiment, and said that the whole thing feels like it’s being pushed onto the board. “We should be taking a much more cautious role with this project. We haven’t been given any tours. We haven’t been given any explanations beyond the one-time handout of the outline — and that’s just not good enough for taxpayers,” she said on Friday. “I completely oppose spending millions of dollars on these renovations.”

Accountability to taxpayers was a high-priority for both supervisors who openly opposed the changes. “I take it seriously because I’m a resident and taxpayer. I hear what people say — and we’re the ones — not the County Manager — who have to represent them,” Lorenzetti concluded.

Supervisor Hayssen saw a way forward — despite the grim outlook on the overall proposal. “Let’s get Mental Health done. We can get Mental Health moved over to the first floor of the County Office Building and then look at the rest carefully,” he continued. “Just stick with Mental Health and not get distracted.”

Hayssen also took issue with the spending of del Lago revenues on the building in the first place. “Taxpayers supported del Lago in hopes of a tax break — not a tax increase, and not spending the money on a pie in the sky proposal. I said we should stick with Mental Health — and that’s what [the County] should do.”

Sheppard sees no path forward at the moment. “Unless the Board of Supervisors become receptive to re-engage on the Design & Engineering of the County Office Building’s vacated space, the Mental Health Department will stay in its existing space on Thurber Drive,” he added. “The County will minimally maintain the nearly-18,000 sq-ft of vacant office space in both buildings.

From the start, the goal was to streamline the services offered in the County Office Building, and create space for those services previously-housed in the Thurber Drive location given the amount of money, and work needed there. “The existing Public Health Building on Thurber Drive is beyond useful life,” Sheppard explained. And as for the prospect of updates to the County Office Building — they’re necessary, too. “The County Office Building is 28 years young but in need of refurbishment and energy efficient enhancements,” Sheppard concluded.

Hayssen said once a project of this nature gets going there is no ‘stopping’ or thinking about it; and stopped is precisely the status this development now.
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#1513980 --- 04/04/18 10:40 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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After buying the Bonadent Building, the county manager has proposed spending an additional $6.1 million to remodel the county office building. One of the items is to remodel the BOS meeting room for an estimated $500,000. We all know the actual cost will be twice that.

I rarely agree with Supervisor Hayssen. But this time he is correct. The del Lago money should be used to reduce taxes, not an unnecessary remodel of the office building.

There is an item on the BOS agenda for next week to approve the contract for architectural and engineering services for "part a and part b" of the facilites management plan.

All that is needed is the work to design the space to move the Mental Health Department to the space vacated by the office for the aging.

The need to remodel the clerk's office, the BOE, the IT department, move 911 (again) from the first floor to the third floor, etc. should be put on hold until the ENTIRE PROPOSAL AND COST are presented, not only to the BOS, but to the public, along with a cost benefit analysis.

$500,000, plus engineering and architectural services for a room used twice a month seems pretty foolish to me.
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#1513997 --- 04/05/18 01:07 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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If I had to guess, you would be a Democrat on the County Board.
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#1514003 --- 04/05/18 03:18 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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SORRY, I'M A LIFE LONG REPUBLICAN.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
If I had to guess, you would be a Democrat on the County Board.
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#1514004 --- 04/05/18 04:59 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
SORRY, I'M A LIFE LONG REPUBLICAN.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
If I had to guess, you would be a Democrat on the County Board.
and I'M the POPE crazy
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#1514008 --- 04/05/18 06:33 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What does any of this have to do with spending $6.1 million (estimated) on remodeling the County Office Building?

Are you in favor of this idea?
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#1514009 --- 04/05/18 08:48 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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I don't respond to estimates or Democratic propaganda besides I understand there is grant money involved


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#1514012 --- 04/05/18 09:45 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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No, it is all coming from money from del Lago transferred to the Capital section of the budget. That is how the CM bought and rehabbed the Bonadent Building.

What grant money from the state pays for unnecessary remodeling? There isn't money to repair sewer and water infrastructure.

Who is telling you this stuff? Sources please?
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#1514025 --- 04/06/18 11:53 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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So what you're saying is that they shouldn't spend casino money on this and the money should be used to help a small number of people get cheap water. Is the county going to help Waterloo with their 4 town water project ? NO, because all County residents should benefit from casino money in some way. What they are doing is trying to provide better services for all County residents which is corrupt in your tiny little brain.
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#1514026 --- 04/06/18 12:42 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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No, the money should not be used for water or sewer (Which I think would be illegal anyway), but to reduce taxes and improve services.

So $500,000 to beautify the Supervisor's meeting room where 14 people meet twice a month is a better way to spend the money? Who benefits from that....the engineers and architects that are pushing the project...not the general public.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
So what you're saying is that they shouldn't spend casino money on this and the money should be used to help a small number of people get cheap water. Is the county going to help Waterloo with their 4 town water project ? NO, because all County residents should benefit from casino money in some way. What they are doing is trying to provide better services for all County residents which is corrupt in your tiny little brain.
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#1514036 --- 04/07/18 07:52 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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WRONG, WRONG and WRONG
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#1514038 --- 04/07/18 02:14 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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The del Lago money should be used to lower property taxes, period. This county (and it seems everyone in NYS) just love to spend it as fast as it comes in.

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#1514040 --- 04/07/18 06:04 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: MCK]
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Sure, use casino money to lower taxes then raise taxes for projects like this and other necessary improvements and repairs. Keep in mind that the mental health building needs extensive repairs but with this project that building may be sold.

Good thing you 2 ain't running the county.
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#1514041 --- 04/07/18 06:18 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Has anyone been in the former Bonadent building? Its rough. I think buying it was a kneejerk impulse buy by the Supervisors.

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#1514042 --- 04/07/18 08:00 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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None of the remodeling is "necessary" except to prepare the space for Mental Health.

And, if the county manager keeps describing the old Health/Mental Health building as past it's useful life, it is not going to be easy to sell.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Sure, use casino money
to lower taxes then raise taxes for projects like this and other necessary improvements and repairs. Keep in mind that the mental health building needs extensive repairs but with this project that building may be sold.

Good thing you 2 ain't running the county.
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#1514058 --- 04/08/18 04:48 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Commercial property in Seneca County is NEVER an easy sell, DUH
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#1514179 --- 04/17/18 08:47 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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I see a lot of other items in the county that need to be improved. I don't think the money spent for the Bonadent building was good use of money. I see a lot of wasted space in the county office building that could have been remodeled and used for county services and would may have been about the same price as the cost of purchasing and renovating the Bonadent building and would have consolidated buildings. Also, what is being done with the old Sheriffs office and jail. Could that not have been renovated as well. I know many other municipalities in this country have done that and have saved their tax payers a lot of money and did not tax properties off the tax rolls.
I did find it interesting that both a D and an R agree on spending too much money. Usually the Ds want to spend spend spend. Not this time.
In answer to the question about "why not spend this money?" It is my understanding that this county has frittered away most of the money and does not have a a lot in reserves at the moment. I do not understand where all the tax money the county gets from the sales tax generated at Outlets, wineries, breweries, and other businesses in the county and now the casino goes. Final question as I don't know the answer and hope that someone does. Does Mr. Sheppard live in Seneca County?

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#1514180 --- 04/17/18 10:18 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: deadphilosopher]
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Don't see him on the property tax rolls. But the county manager has to live in the county. Maybe he rents?
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#1514185 --- 04/18/18 06:09 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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The county manager DOES live in Seneca County. As a matter of fact he lives within 500 feet of the County office building. By the way the old jail was demolished a couple of years ago. Part of it is now the District Attorney's office. That project was definitely a waste of money. There is a lot of "TWISTING OF THE FACTS" and false information being spread about the Bonadent building. There are a few members of the County Board who are intentionally trying to cause trouble for the county manager.
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#1514186 --- 04/18/18 06:22 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: deadphilosopher]
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Obviously you don't get around much ! Are you aware that the ARC'S MANUFACTURING FACILITY is right next door ? Are you aware that the ARC plans to expand ? Are you aware that the Cornell Cooperative Extension has leased part of the building and a day care for Del Lago is planned where Bonadent's day care Was ? Funny how some people criticize before knowing all the facts.
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#1514210 --- 04/19/18 09:36 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Don't see him on the property tax rolls. But the county manager has to live in the county. Maybe he rents?
Well that didn't work, did it, nice try though.
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#1514211 --- 04/19/18 09:57 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
The county manager DOES live in Seneca County. As a matter of fact he lives within 500 feet of the County office building. By the way the old jail was demolished a couple of years ago. Part of it is now the District Attorney's office. That project was definitely a waste of money. There is a lot of "TWISTING OF THE FACTS" and false information being spread about the Bonadent building. There are a few members of the County Board who are intentionally trying to cause trouble for the county manager.


Is this his kid?

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#1514213 --- 04/19/18 12:13 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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I don't think the del Lago daycare will ever locate at the Bonadent building. The del Lago employees probably prefer a site on the del Lago grounds, not 5 miles away.

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Obviously you don't get around much ! Are you aware that the ARC'S MANUFACTURING FACILITY is right next door ? Are you aware that the ARC plans to expand ? Are you aware that the Cornell Cooperative Extension has leased part of the building and a day care for Del Lago is planned where Bonadent's day care Was ? Funny how some people criticize before knowing all the facts.
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#1514216 --- 04/19/18 04:38 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Who cares what you "think". That's the plan. Plans do change but some kind of day care will most likely go in that building. You always cast a negative shadow on everything without knowing the facts !

https://goo.gl/images/GzDA2C
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#1514218 --- 04/19/18 10:31 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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We'll see.
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#1514298 --- 04/25/18 07:41 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Betty - yes, it's his. All seeing - you correct about the day care. Sorry woodchuck.


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#1514305 --- 04/25/18 11:56 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Interested Party]
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#1514306 --- 04/25/18 12:47 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck


According to that link, the daycare center closed over a year ago

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#1514321 --- 04/26/18 11:14 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Sam the Sham]
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Again Chuck is right, or so it seems according to today's paper. QUOTE
DEL LAGO RESORT AND CASINO will announce soon its plan to lease space in the building for a daycare center for employees.:-P
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#1514330 --- 04/26/18 01:24 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Hello_Governer]
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We'll see.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Again Chuck is right, or so it seems according to today's paper. QUOTE
DEL LAGO RESORT AND CASINO will announce soon its plan to lease space in the building for a daycare center for employees.:-P
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#1514332 --- 04/26/18 03:06 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Can't admit you are wrong can you ! Say something else, I want to see how many times you are wrong on a single thread.
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#1514340 --- 04/26/18 08:55 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Let me know when the announcement is made and the day care opens......then I will admit I am wrong. How long do you think I will have to wait for the announcement? Its been almost 2 years since the first announcement:

July 6, 2016: Sheppard:

"One tenant will be a community day care center, available to the entire community and sponsored by the del Lago Resort & Casino."

http://www.fltimes.com/news/seneca-count...d002a4f6aa.html

I'm thinking this was a ploy to keep Mental Health out of the Bonadent building.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Can't admit you are wrong can you ! Say something else, I want to see how many times you are wrong on a single thread.
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#1514345 --- 04/27/18 06:07 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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The ARC is on the Bonadent property, a day care facility is there too. There are other tenants planed for that building that will fit perfectly in that building. Besides there are Sheriff's deputies already at the County Office building. Everything is a conspiracy in your mind.
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#1514388 --- 04/27/18 09:44 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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As I said, we shall see.

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
The ARC is on the Bonadent property, a day care facility is there too. There are other tenants planed for that building that will fit perfectly in that building. Besides there are Sheriff's deputies already at the County Office building. Everything is a conspiracy in your mind.
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#1514393 --- 04/28/18 07:27 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Ya know, even if they did everything exactly the way you want you would still find something wrong.
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#1514425 --- 04/30/18 04:20 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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grin proven wrong again ! You can admit you are WRONG anytime now.
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#1514429 --- 04/30/18 06:51 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Is the day care open?


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
grin proven wrong again ! You can admit you are WRONG anytime now.
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#1514430 --- 04/30/18 08:53 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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It is my understanding that the plan is to come up with a plan and then apply for a grant. Is the Cornell Cooperative Extension located there ? Is the Office for the Aging located there ? YES ! Has Bonadent done the remodeling that the County has asked for ? NO ! Has the County received the grant money they haven't applied for yet ? NO ! Has the remodeling been done for the mental health DEPARTMENT been done yet ? NO! So instead of making a bunch of false accusations why don't you just try to be patient. There are a lot of players involved in this project and these things take time. But of course you wouldn't understand that, would you.


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#1514431 --- 05/01/18 07:23 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Let me know when the del Lago day care opens.


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
It is my understanding that the plan is to come up with a plan and then apply for a grant. Is the Cornell Cooperative Extension located there ? Is the Office for the Aging located there ? YES ! Has Bonadent done the remodeling that the County has asked for ? NO ! Has the County received the grant money they haven't applied for yet ? NO ! Has the remodeling been done for the mental health DEPARTMENT been done yet ? NO! So instead of making a bunch of false accusations why don't you just try to be patient. There are a lot of players involved in this project and these things take time. But of course you wouldn't understand that, would you.
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#1514440 --- 05/02/18 06:44 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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You are just an agitator, trying to find fault with everything. You don't have any viable solutions or ideas. You just bitch about everything and refuse to admit when you're wrong. The County government actually does pretty good when all is said and done. Things would run a lot smoother without the Democratic obstructionist though.

Definition of obstructionism
: deliberate interference with the progress or business especially of a legislative body


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#1514447 --- 05/02/18 10:25 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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All I said was that I don't think the day care will open in the old Bonadent building. It doesn't make any sense as an employee benefit to del Lago.

You are over reacting and I wonder why.

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
You are just an agitator, trying to find fault with everything. You don't have any viable solutions or ideas. You just bitch about everything and refuse to admit when you're wrong. The County government actually does pretty good when all is said and done. Things would run a lot smoother without the Democratic obstructionist though.

Definition of obstructionism
: deliberate interference with the progress or business especially of a legislative body
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#1514453 --- 05/02/18 03:01 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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It may seem like I'M over reacting because you have greatly exaggerated every bit of the misinformation you have posted.


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#1514455 --- 05/02/18 08:07 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Why don't you tell us of a more suitable location that offers the same amenities that this project offers.
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#1514456 --- 05/02/18 09:36 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Good grief.

Let me know when ANY DAY CARE OPENS IN THE BONADENT BUILDING.

I don't care WHO opens it.

Give it a rest.
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#1514461 --- 05/03/18 06:54 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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You started this thread trying to cause trouble for the county manager and some board members. You can't even present a reasonable argument without trying to distort the facts. You are an agitator and a obstructionist probably associated with a certain Democrat who is the same.
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#1514465 --- 05/03/18 08:41 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Jesus, the drama in Seneca County never ends.

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#1514484 --- 05/03/18 09:48 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Kells]
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When I posted the original information about the use of the del Lago money to remodel the County Office Building (IMHO unnecessarily in many cases) instead of enhancing services around the County or expanding programs or reducing taxes.

For example, the only Senior Services held in the South County is a coffee hour Wednesday 8-9 am. Transport to the activities and meals at the Bonadent Building is only available to "North County" residents. Farmer's Markets are in Seneca Falls only. Additional support could be provided to libraries and historical societies. More services could be provided to veterans.

I had expected suggestions to share the money with the Towns and Villages.

Instead, this has become a defense of the purchase of the Bonadent Building, including the opening of a (imaginary -to date) - day care. This has nothing to do with my original post. I fell into the trap and I will not continue.

I guess the Seneca county viewers oppose using the del Lago money to expand services, support the towns and villages, and build a reserve for a rainy day. Instead spend it on paint, wallpaper and new electronics for the BOS meeting room which is used 2 days a month.

I am not going to respond to any posts that do not provide thoughtful ideas and suggestions.

Originally Posted By: Kells
Jesus, the drama in Seneca County never ends.
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#1514490 --- 05/04/18 06:08 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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It would seem that you think you are the only one entitled to an opinion. When you get to be a successful business person let us know, maybe your opinions would mean something. Sharing the money with towns and villages or giving money to libraries and then raising county taxes to cover improvement projects doesn't make sense. Most communities have a library tax. Waterloo's library has its own tax, gets village, town and county tax money. Libraries also get grant money and donations and they always cry poverty. Instead of doing fund raisers and applying for grants they just ask governments for money and then criticize politicians when they feel it's not enough. When have you ever seen a library in Seneca County make their financial records public ? Other communities elect library boards,I have never seen an election for a library board in Seneca County.


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#1514495 --- 05/04/18 09:41 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Lady, did you just crawl out from under a rock ? It seems that you have no idea of what kind of services are available for the south end of Seneca County. We have RTS busses running all over the county with nobody on them. You want a farmer's market organize one, Waterloo and Seneca Falls have them because community members organize them. How much farm produce do you think you would sell in a neighborhood full of farms ? You seem to just want more and more with no specifics.
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#1514553 --- 05/06/18 03:40 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Hey Gov, today's paper. " Waterloo Rotary Club is sponsoring a farmer's market on Vern's Way in Waterloo". all seeing eye will probably complain because it's not in Ovid. crazy


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#1514556 --- 05/06/18 05:40 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Can you explain the "rainy day" line item you expect to have and how big you want that to be? Of course, you understand municipalities can't set money aside for no apparent reason then charge the taxpayers new taxes the following year without using the surplus first. Of course, you know that. Right?

Maybe we should set aside a rainy day fund from the taxes paid by the winery owners in Seneca County. It could be a big help for any budget problems Junius could be facing. This is sarcasm....

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#1514558 --- 05/06/18 06:15 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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Municipalities Have to earmark funds that are saved, set forth for special projects or purchases not completely funded in one years budget

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#1514561 --- 05/06/18 08:08 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Gdog]
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The people in the south end think they can make their own rules and have no understanding of the state and federal regulations they have to abide by. Kinda like the Varick town court. grin


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#1514570 --- 05/07/18 11:15 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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Adopted budgets should not show deficits or surpluses, since adopted budgets must be balanced. Sometimes an operating deficit is planned when an existing fund balance is used as a one-time funding source for the budget.

Most local governments maintain fund balances, money that is unused by the government from year to year. Some of these fund balances are kept in reserves for specified purposes, and may only be legally used for such purposes.

These reserves may be used to pay for items that need to be purchased
for long-term use or are one time in nature (for example, the purchase of land for a new county jail or the acquisition of a snow
plow). Reserves may also be set aside for the repair of equipment
or facilities, or for other purposes allowed by law.

Local governments usually also have unreserved fund balances. These balances are used to smooth out short-term variations in actual revenues and expenditures, protect against risks and other potential
budget shortfalls, and assure a consistent cash flow for the local government so it can pay its bills.

These fund balances may not always be shown in the budget document, but it is important to find out about them and their size relative to the budget as a whole.

OSC encourages and State law allows local governments to keep a reasonable fund balance. The Government Finance Officers Association recommends that municipalities maintain an unreserved fund balance equal to at least two months of annual total expenditures as insurance against unanticipated expenditures or revenue shortfalls.
Citizen's Guide to Local Budgets


Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Can you explain the "rainy day" line item you expect to have and how big you want that to be? Of course, you understand municipalities can't set money aside for no apparent reason then charge the taxpayers new taxes the following year without using the surplus first. Of course, you know that. Right?

Maybe we should set aside a rainy day fund from the taxes paid by the winery owners in Seneca County. It could be a big help for any budget problems Junius could be facing. This is sarcasm....
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#1514573 --- 05/07/18 12:26 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Keep going that's only part of it.
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#1514577 --- 05/07/18 04:48 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Here's a simple solution of what to do with the casino money: CUT TAXES FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!

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#1514578 --- 05/07/18 07:36 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: LittleKing]
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Originally Posted By: LittleKing
Here's a simple solution of what to do with the casino money: CUT TAXES FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!


Lets not follow the path set by Seneca Falls and use an unstable entity to make long term plans.... We see how well that went with almost triple digit increases to taxes.

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#1514580 --- 05/07/18 09:20 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: LittleKing
Here's a simple solution of what to do with the casino money: CUT TAXES FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!


Lets not follow the path set by Seneca Falls and use an unstable entity to make long term plans.... We see how well that went with almost triple digit increases to taxes.


SF also increased services, most notably expansion of the police force, and capitol spending (the new town mahal). That's the big reason they got in trouble when the dump money stopped flowing.

If the County uses the casino money to fund existing needs, rather than coming up with new programs and new construction projects, they could offset (cut) property taxes.

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#1514582 --- 05/07/18 10:30 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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"Reasonable" fund balance.

Given that we just bought Bonadent, I think we already have that. If you think you can hold on to cash while you still tax me....I'm guessing you actually are a local politician.

If you need that statement to transcend time, change Bonadent to new County Office Building or jail. Name the big things like the casino that came along to pay for those capital projects. Keep in mind Petro took the County out of the red. .

While your at it, think about why you ignore water and sewer throughout the county. Have your little fued while your constituents suffer. Keep your little rainy day fund while downtown Ovid burns to the ground and you collect county taxes from it's residents to add to your savings account.

Whoops. Wasn't supposed to hit you with an actual concern of your constituency.

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#1514780 --- 05/16/18 11:28 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Libraries are a public service and deserve to be publicly funded.

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#1514792 --- 05/16/18 03:29 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Chuck you obviously know nothing about libraries. Walk in to one and ask for the financial statement. I know for a fact Waterloo has their statement in a binder on a shelf.As far as Village and Town money, count it as zero. Ted won't donate to the library because the school stiffed him on rec center fees years ago. It has nothing to do with the library but he will tell you the library gets money that it doesn't receive. I think the town gives to the museum. Once again, you don't know. County taxes don't go to the library, that's why there is a line item for libraries on your tax bill. It is voted on by the constituency. Unless you have a problem with democracy it was the community's choice. Turning your back on a place of learning is a slippery slope. ignorant ain't cute.

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#1514803 --- 05/17/18 05:51 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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What happened to you? There was a time when you sometimes knew what you were talking about. The libraries ask the county for money every year. Ted pays the utility bill for the Memorial Day Museum. The town of Waterloo gives at least $5,000 a year to the library. You sir, have lost it. Or maybe you are getting your information from the WLHS's financial report where it says they don't get funding from government bodies. Ted has said many times he doesn't like the fact that there is a library tax and then they ask the village, county and town for money.


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#1514817 --- 05/17/18 11:53 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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You are the one listening to Ted and telling me I'm out of my mind. The village isn't paying for anything that I'm aware of for at least 5 years. You might want to check the town number you quoted. You might be a little low.

But what do I know? I'm not a Ted cronie.

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#1514844 --- 05/17/18 03:49 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Dr. Who]
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LIBRARY (AND ALL NON-PROFIT) ANNUAL TAX RETURNS ARE AVAILABLE FROM:

GUIDESTAR

NYS CHARITIES BUREAU

Originally Posted By: Dr. Who
Libraries are a public service and deserve to be publicly funded.
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#1514847 --- 05/17/18 05:23 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
You are the one listening to Ted and telling me I'm out of my mind. The village isn't paying for anything that I'm aware of for at least 5 years. You might want to check the town number you quoted. You might be a little low.

But what do I know? I'm not a Ted cronie.
WOW, you just contradicted your self, AGAIN .
seneca county board of supervisors - The County of Seneca
https://www.co.seneca.ny.us › 2014/11
Item 10 - 101 · support of full funding to the Seneca County Libraries. .... resolution (1 ) changing the meeting time to 5:30 p.m. for the last board meeting of the year ...
1 of 16 Seneca County Board Of Supervisors Ovid Meeting October 14, 2014 Call to Order Chairman Hayssen called the meeting to o
https://www.co.seneca.ny.us › 2015/03
All members of the Board of Supervisors answered roll call. Pledge of .... From the five public libraries in Seneca County, a request for 2015 funding for $50,594.
Seneca County Board Of Supervisors Ovid Meeting November 11, 2014 Call to Order Chairman Hayssen called the meeting to orde
https://www.co.seneca.ny.us › 2015/03
All members of the Board of Supervisors answered roll call. Pledge of ..... From the five public libraries in Seneca County, a request for 2015 funding for $50,594.
Board of Supervisors
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#1514848 --- 05/17/18 05:25 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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But tax returns are just a generalization and tell you almost nothing !
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#1514849 --- 05/17/18 07:46 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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This is what you posted:

When have you ever seen a library in Seneca County make their financial records public ?

You didn't say that libraries don't post financial information that satisfies you.





Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
But tax returns are just a generalization and tell you almost nothing !
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#1514853 --- 05/18/18 05:54 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye

This is what you posted:

When have you ever seen a library in Seneca County make their financial records public ?

You didn't say that libraries don't post financial information that satisfies you.





Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
But tax returns are just a generalization and tell you almost nothing !
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are you happy with the information Trump has made public ? The devil is in the details ! Non-profit organizations are required to have independent audits when they receive over a certain amount, have you ever seen one ? Do you remember when Ted asked the WLHS for their financial records and they refused ? That's when Ted refused to give them money. I don't agree with almost everything Ted does but that one I do agree with.


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#1514856 --- 05/18/18 08:05 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: scwoodchuck]
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50 grand to 5 libraries is fully supporting?

It is nice to NOT be a person that kisses Ted's butt. Have fun with that.

I can't believe we are arguing over whether we should support libraries in our communities. When did being stupid become ok? Election time?

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#1514867 --- 05/18/18 08:23 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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I didn't start this library thing !

Waterloo just voted to increase the library TAX.One would assume that if more money was need the library could ask for more. Why ask for less than you need and then go begging for more ? Do you 2 know anything ?

Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
When I posted the original information about the use of the del Lago money to remodel the County Office Building (IMHO unnecessarily in many cases) instead of enhancing services around the County or expanding programs or reducing taxes.

For example, the only Senior Services held in the South County is a coffee hour Wednesday 8-9 am. Transport to the activities and meals at the Bonadent Building is only available to "North County" residents. Farmer's Markets are in Seneca Falls only. Additional support could be provided to libraries and historical societies. More services could be provided to veterans.

I had expected suggestions to share the money with the Towns and Villages.

Instead, this has become a defense of the purchase of the Bonadent Building, including the opening of a (imaginary -to date) - day care. This has nothing to do with my original post. I fell into the trap and I will not continue.

I guess the Seneca county viewers oppose using the del Lago money to expand services, support the towns and villages, and build a reserve for a rainy day. Instead spend it on paint, wallpaper and new electronics for the BOS meeting room which is used 2 days a month.

I am not going to respond to any posts that do not provide thoughtful ideas and suggestions.

Originally Posted By: Kells
Jesus, the drama in Seneca County never ends.
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#1514868 --- 05/18/18 10:17 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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I think the libraries deserve MORE money than they get, rather than new desks for the BOS to use twice a month.

Originally Posted By: Top Dog
50 grand to 5 libraries is fully supporting?

It is nice to NOT be a person that kisses Ted's butt. Have fun with that.

I can't believe we are arguing over whether we should support libraries in our communities. When did being stupid become ok? Election time?
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#1514871 --- 05/19/18 06:50 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: all seeing eye]
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My math may be a little off, but I figure the Waterloo library tax has gone up 500% in the last ten years or so. With all the employee theft in the news I would think it would be wise to keep a watchful eye on everything.
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#1514886 --- 05/20/18 06:21 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Prove it.

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#1514887 --- 05/20/18 11:28 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Prove it.
OK - when you prove anything you say. But we all know " prove it " is a line used when you can't win the argument.
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#1514888 --- 05/20/18 01:33 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Page 1 of the 2007 Form 990 reports Direct Public Support of $149,504.

Page 9 of the 2015 Form 990 reports $195,500.

You know for a fact what? 500%?

Make comments when you actually know the facts and know what you are talking about.

Anyone that wants to see more, Google "Waterloo Library and Historical Society Form 990".

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#1514893 --- 05/20/18 08:56 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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2007 Schedule A, page 4, line 20
2015 Schedule A page 3, line 4 and explain line 2


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#1514896 --- 05/21/18 05:58 AM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Hello_Governer]
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KNOCK IT OFF ! that's one of our " SACRED COWS "


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#1514910 --- 05/21/18 03:09 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Hello_Governer]
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I'm 500% sure you can call them and ask. I'm not here to figure it out for you.

You lied and that is all there is to it.

Hi Ted.

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#1514912 --- 05/21/18 03:41 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
2007 Schedule A, page 4, line 20
2015 Schedule A page 3, line 4 and explain line 2


2007. Blank so I don't know why you are asking.
2015 line 4. Blank so I don't know why you are asking.
2015 explain line 2. It is the total of all the gross receipts received. This isn't tax. Tax is found in Part VIII under "Property Tax Revenue" (go figure) and it is listed as.....$195,500.
Like I already stated.

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#1514917 --- 05/21/18 08:17 PM Re: How the County Board of Supervisors is Spending the "Del Lago" Money [Re: Top Dog]
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crazy
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