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#1513376 --- 02/22/18 11:14 PM Re: GMO in pet food [Re: MissingArty]
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"And just to illustrate the point, EVERYTHING in large enough doses is "toxic", but just because something contains poisonous or toxic ingredients, doesn't mean that it's harmful." Timbo


Toxic: acting as or having the effect of a poison; poisonous.


Poison: a substance with an inherent property that tends to destroy life or impair health.
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#1513397 --- 02/24/18 02:34 PM Anti-GMO Baloney [Re: MissingArty]
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How to Detect Baloney the Carl Sagan Way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn7jVTGjb-I
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#1513445 --- 02/27/18 01:02 PM Re: GMO in pet food [Re: MissingArty]
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Originally Posted By: MissingArty

"And just to illustrate the point, EVERYTHING in large enough doses is "toxic", but just because something contains poisonous or toxic ingredients, doesn't mean that it's harmful." -Timbo

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Toxic: acting as or having the effect of a poison; poisonous.

Poison: a substance with an inherent property that tends to destroy life or impair health.

Interesting that you should bring that up, since anything in large enough quantities is harmful. Conversely, anything in small enough quantity is NOT.

The reason that that's important in regards to your related posts, is that not only do you all too often ignore this fact, but you also have a tendency to mistake one for the other. And then there are the regularly conflated inaccuracies rampant within the most common anti-vax arguments. I refer you back to your apparent confusion on the subject by reminding you of my above 'fruit seed' example.

In this example, you mistakenly interpret disparity where none exist. Allow me to clarify for you...

Toxic vs Poisonous:
http://www.differencebetween.net/science/difference-between-toxic-and-poisonous/
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#1513485 --- 03/04/18 06:57 PM Re: GMO in pet food [Re: MissingArty]
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YOU, the consumer, need to know how you and your pet's food was changed and, YOU, the consumer, should be the one to decide whether you want to consume it or not and where to spend your shopping dollar.


Protect Your Pets from GMOs and Pesticides in Food

Our companion animals bring such joy and comfort to our lives. They are always there to greet us with a happy welcome home. Pets – like people – are suffering from unprecedented increased health risks including cancer and other debilitating diseases and disorders. Animal studies on animals fed genetically modified food have shown organ damage, potential pre-cancerous cell growth, damaged immune systems, allergies and more due to GM food. Switching to non-GMO and/or organic diets can help reduce the risk of health problems, assist our pets in recovery and support them to enjoy a longer life span . This website is a resource for pet owners to learn more about the health risks of GMOs and pesticides in pet food, and to provide information on healthier alternatives.

http://www.petsandgmos.com/




To learn how gmo food got approved as "substantially equivalent" to real food, watch this documentary. Your pets are eating this food too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUNxX0OxP8




Vaccines destroy pets too.

Over-vaccinating and the overdosing of pet vaccines has become a global issue. 5 lbs dogs are receiving the same dose of the rabies vaccine as 150 lbs Great Danes, and vets are now witnessing terrible side effects.

https://www.facebook.com/PlanetPaws.ca/videos/1404799696261575/




Dr. John Robb - Protect the Pets

“Say it like it is- It’s malpractice to inject a pet with a vaccine when it already has immunity!

It’s all about the money!

Pet owners must unite and make their voices heard to amend the rabies law to line up with the science! Measuring circulating antibodies, a blood titer, equals immunity! Demand accountability and contact your elected officials! Protect the pets! Doc”

How Much Money are You Wasting on Pet Vaccines?

"We are not anti-vaccination. What we are saying is that currently our pets are receiving far too many. The latest scientific research shows that after the first course of injections as a puppy most dogs are immune against these diseases for at least seven years, if not for life."

https://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/he...et-vaccinations



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#1513488 --- 03/04/18 10:36 PM Anti-Vaxxer Loses License. [Re: MissingArty]
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Just to be clear...

Every time that you post nonsense from discredited conspiracy quacks, I'll be here to take out the trash spewed by the likes of con-men such as...


Dr. John Robb was arrested then sued by the owners of the franchise he operates for trespassing and providing doses of rabies vaccines at a low level that was in clear violation of policies established by the franchise. Dr. Robb, who after a 4 year battle with regulators, was given veterinary license probation. He is not allowed to vaccinate any animal for rabies for 25 years. In addition, for the following 18 months, he was required to practice under the supervision of a colleague approved by the state board regulatory agency.

The reason for his censure revolves around the question of dose size of rabies vaccine in respect to the size of the animal. For example, should a Chihuahua get the same size rabies vaccine as a Great Dane? The common sense answer would seem to be “no”. However most immunologists and veterinarians who understand immunology would disagree. Why? Dr. Ronald Shultz, longtime researcher of vaccines at Wisconsin-Madison School of Veterinary Medicine, discussed this topic in the Journal of Small Animal Practice. “Unlike pharmaceuticals that are dose-dependent, vaccines are not based on volume per body mass (size), but rather on the minimum immunizing dose. “ Dozens of years of research has determined pets need a certain minimum amount of rabies vaccine to stimulate the immune system to protect against disease. The immune system of a small dog and a large dog need the same size dose in order to tell the immune system “Hey! There is a virus here! Let’s protect against this.” In fact, if the Chihuahua has a poor immune system he may need a larger amount of vaccine to obtain the same level of protection as the Great Dane. If one were to give a lesser amount of rabies vaccine there is a valid concern the immune system may not be stimulated enough to protect against future exposure to the virus.

Think about that….Think about that very seriously….Imagine your child or grandchild is bitten by a dog that has been vaccinated against rabies inappropriately and has not developed a good immune response to prevent rabies. Now, imagine that dog bit your child/grandchild after getting in a fight with a skunk, raccoon, or other rabies reservoir species, such as a bat or coyote, which no one knew about. You take your child/grandchild to the doctor. He asks if the dog was vaccinated. The answer is “yes”. Your doctor is now no longer worried about the risk of rabies because the vaccine is so effective when given in accordance with regulatory guidelines. He does not recommend treatment against possible rabies exposure. Your child/grandchild contracts rabies from the bite. Rabies is almost 100% fatal once clinical signs develop. Many people fail to understand, while rabies vaccine protects animals, the reasons the UDSA rules and the state laws are there are to ensure rabies vaccine given to pets protect the people around those pets.


https://www.swartzcreekvet.com/2017/02/28/rabies-vaccine-controversy-what-you-need-to-know/
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#1513507 --- 03/06/18 06:23 AM Re: Anti-Vaxxer Loses License. [Re: MissingArty]
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GMO foods - What about our pets?

If these foods can make a bug's stomach explode, can open the tight junctions in a human's gut,

what are these foods doing to our pet's?

These are reasonable questions that Timbo doesn't want you to know the answer too.

Notice the only thing he has to post is people bashing. This is the way they try to get you to STOP reading.

Whether you are a mom (dad) to a human or a pet, you have a right

to know if your family, pets included, are being poisoned.



Your child, your family, your pet, your decision.

You have a right to know.

Learn what other moms are learning about gmo foods, what happens when they take their kids off this food.


Moms Speak Out About GMOs!


Hear what these mothers have to say about their experience with genetically modified foods.

https://www.facebook.com/responsibletechnology/videos/10155166883476235/?__xts__[0]=33.%7B%22logging_data%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A355853721234%2C%22event_type%22%3A%22clicked_all_page_posts%22%2C%22impression_info%22%3A%22eyJmIjp7InBhZ2VfaWQiOiIzNTU4NTM3MjEyMzQiLCJpdGVtX2NvdW50IjoiMCJ9fQ%22%2C%22surface%22%3A%22www_pages_home%22%2C%22interacted_story_type%22%3A%22565413710334575%22%2C%22session_id%22%3A%22eff937ae9365d61d41607f41f606980b%22%7D%7D




The Dog Cancer Series - Rethinking the Canine Epidemic

Digital storyteller Rodney Habib's dog, Sam, was diagnosed with cancer which
sent him on a mission to save her life. Partnering with world-renowned wellness
veterinarian Dr. Karen Becker, they spent the year travelling the globe gathering
the most up-to-date information on canine cancer. This 7-chapter documentary is
a culmination of their findings.

https://www.dogcancerseries.com/
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#1513513 --- 03/06/18 02:23 PM Re: Anti-Vaxxer Loses License. [Re: MissingArty]
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Originally Posted By: MissingArty
what are these foods doing to our pet's?

These are reasonable questions that Timbo doesn't want you to know the answer too [to].

Notice the only thing he has to post is people bashing. This is the way they try to get you to STOP reading.

Again, you're simply wrong. I want EVERYONE armed with ALL the facts.

And the facts are, that there isn't a single shred of credible scientific evidence connecting GMOs with health concerns any different than any other genetic process, naturally occurring OR otherwise.

Feel free to espouse all the disinformative pseudoscience that you wish, and I'll be right here to set the record straight with cited, peer-reviewed scientific FACTS. An entirely different matter than "people bashing", as you so erroneously refer to it.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. They are however, NOT entitled to THEIR OWN "FACTS".
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#1513646 --- 03/14/18 08:41 AM Re: Anti-Vaxxer Loses License. [Re: MissingArty]
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I've posted the facts. The scientists.

Where are your independent non-industry connected scientists?

You can fool some of the people some of the time and you've got away with it for over thirty years.

Fortunately, there are some of us left that can still think, can still remember when we didn't have all these illnesses.

Common sense, parental intuition, at home science, seeing our children's and pet's health improve by taking them off gmo food products.

New job? Trolling for Monsanto?
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#1513647 --- 03/14/18 08:43 AM Re: Anti-Vaxxer Loses License. [Re: MissingArty]
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Vaccine Adverse Reactions - Pets

This is extremely problematic because, as the vets themselves have revealed, they’re not prepared to make a decision on how often they should vaccinate and what vaccines they should give. In the end, the vets are over-vaccinating either out of ignorance or greed, and the governing bodies only seem interest in protecting the financial interests of their veterinary members.

Speaking of that, it’s noteworthy that the major sponsors of the AAHA guidelines are the major pharmaceutical companies that manufacture these vaccines.



How many pet owners are given full disclosure when their animals are vaccinated? How many vets warn them that the vaccine may cause injection site sarcomas, other forms of cancer, severe allergic reactions or even anaphylactic shock and death?

Here’s the list of adverse events known to be induced via vaccine administration (Schultz, 2007):

http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/why-vets-are-getting-away-with-murder/




Dog Cancer Series Workshop Registration

https://www.dcscommunity.com/?utm_source...scented_candles
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#1513753 --- 03/20/18 10:36 AM Re: The Poisoning of our Pets [Re: Timbo]
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Fatty Tumors In Dogs



What Causes Fatty Tumors In Dogs?

Toxic Overload

Allopathic medicine is baffled by the cause of fatty tumors in dogs, usually attributing them to random chance, age and genetics. While age and genetics can contribute to the formation of lipomas, there’s something else that needs attention …

Toxins.

The build-up of toxins is often overlooked by mainstream veterinary medicine. From a holistic perspective, when lipomas form it’s a sign that the body is congested and energy isn’t flowing like it should. Toxins and fat get trapped and walled off by the body’s immune system as it pushes contaminants to the outside in an effort to protect and sustain internal organ function.

http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/6-herbs-to-get-rid-of-fatty-tumors-in-dogs/
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#1514016 --- 04/06/18 08:20 AM Re: The Poisoning of our Pets [Re: MissingArty]
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The Truth About PET Cancer

World renowned veterinary oncologists… holistic veterinarians… and animal health specialists reveal the natural treatments and therapies that are saving animals from cancer.

https://thetruthaboutpetcancer.com/?a_aid=57a9056859c9a&a_bid=752e0fd9




Mars Petcare Dog Food linked to deadly illness in Australia

http://truthaboutpetfood.com/mars-petcare-dog-food-linked-to-deadly-illness-in-australia/




Dr. Robb: “YOU ARE ENTITLED TO INFORMED CONSENT

The pet owner has the right to be given informed consent and the veterinarian has the legal obligation to provide it. Informed consent means the medical profession must disclose the benefits and risks of all recommended treatments to the owner before treatment is initiated.

Every Day in veterinary hospitals across the world pet owners are not being informed of the dangers of vaccinations, medications used for parasite control, and medications in general.

Pet owners are not being informed about measuring circulating antibodies, blood titers, to assess the immune status of that pet. But rather pressure is brought on the pet owner to do repeated vaccinations, putting the pets at risk for no medical benefit. Rather then do the right thing and check a titer, pet owners are pressured into administering unnecessary vaccines, and not even warned about potential side effects - even death!

The link here is how pet owners fought back in Minnesota proving violation of the Consumer Protection Act as vets were administering the rabies shot every two years, even though the label clearly stated it was good for three years. The pet owners won, and the vets were forced to change the certificates.

Of course even this is not enough as no pet should be given a rabies booster if it already has immunity easily proven with a blood titer!

It’s time for pet owners to band together and demand that the veterinary establishment be held accountable to inform consumers of the truth in all areas - medications and vaccinations.

While I was writing this post some pet died in agony from a rabies shot it did not need, but the owner was not informed.

Another pet is struggling for life after the owner administered a flea and tick product, never having been informed that it could make their pet sick.

A small pet is suffering right now, having been given 3 vaccines, because the owner was not informed that vaccine reactions go up when more then one vaccine is given at a time .

Have we the people had enough? Have we the pet owners been through enough grief watching our pets suffer and die never being informed that this could happen so we could say no, I am not willing to put my pet at risk?

Let’s do what these pet owners did in Minnesota. Let’s stand up together for our rights as consumers to be informed by the veterinarians.

Together and United, we will protect the pets! Doc””

http://www.powershotsmn.com/




Robb: “This must stop! Continue to educate fellow pet owners whenever and wherever you cross paths! So many lives are being saved when pet owners are alerted to the propaganda used to lure pet owners into the vaccine money trap!

This was sent to a pet owner by a Veterinarian. What it should have said - vaccinate to produce immunity, easily measured by checking circulating antibodies, a blood titer. If a pet has any measurable titer to rabies, it is immune, further vaccination has no medical benefit but can and will sicken many pets or worse!

Educate, encourage and stand! Drive the change to protect the pets! Doc”

https://www.facebook.com/DRRobbPTP/photo...e=3&theater




Robb: “My Day In Court to Protect The Pets, Doc”

https://www.facebook.com/DRRobbPTP/video...yk12ZDa0PS_Pj88
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