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#1488351 --- 08/15/16 10:59 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
halftown wants to set up a PILOT agreement with the county
odd...

yet another example there are no FEDERAL 'reservations' in NYS

did he get inside information that his trust application may be rejected?

BECAUSE a pilot or ANY agreement with local governments greatly enhance the odds of getting trust land applications approved.

Of course it does, because it forces the introduction of incontrovertible facts that can't be disputed with the typical "FUD" (fear, uncertainty and doubt) so religiously bandied-about by the usual list of anti-Indian bigots. And that would just burn your [their] britches, wouldn't it? crazy
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#1488372 --- 08/16/16 09:57 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.


the fact that there is a trust application would have proven to SCOTUS that it is NOT 'reservation' land and the 'tribe' would have lost their foreclosure case

the county would have got all the land back

nozzolio still has not spoken out as to why harris beach 'forgot' to file papers with scotus
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#1488373 --- 08/16/16 10:01 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
it forces the introduction of incontrovertible facts


have you given your land back yet?

yawn...
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#1488379 --- 08/16/16 10:45 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.

the county would have got all the land back

Uhhhh... No.
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#1488381 --- 08/16/16 11:10 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.

the county would have got all the land back

Uhhhh... No.


Uhhhh... YES

Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.
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#1488385 --- 08/17/16 12:00 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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LOL! You think you're going to like how this plays out?

You won't. smirk
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#1488543 --- 08/19/16 07:38 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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http://fingerlakes1.com/2016/08/19/one-operator-of-smoke-shop-at-finger-lakes-drive-in-arrested/

In a story that seems to be getting odder by the day, one man has been taken into custody for violating probation, who was operating the smoke shop at the Finger Lakes Drive-In.

The Town of Aurelius is taking legal action against the drive-in, as well as the individual who was arrested. Dustin “Dusty” Parker was apprehended at his probation check-in Thursday night.

The 29-year-old opened a drive-thru shop that was selling cigarettes, which first launched in August. The shop opened after an interesting sale took place, which moved 1.19-acres of the drive-in property to two members of the Cayuga Nation, who have been operating the makeshift store.

Parker is currently being held at the Seneca County Jail without bail, according to authorities at the Sheriff’s Office.

Aurelius is also pursuing legal action against Parker for various zoning violations at the location. However, Jason Silversmith, the second member of the two-man-cigarette-shop team says that the claims are baseless given that the Cayuga Nation only answers to the federal government.

The Finger Lakes Drive-In will also be facing some legal trouble of their own, after the DEC was brought in to look at wetlands, which were illegally cleared behind the theater. Additionally, officials in Aurelius have also said that operators of the theater tried to burn trees on the property with diesel fuel — something the DEC frowns upon.

According to the now sole-operator of the smoke shop, business has been getting heavier as the days and weeks have progressed since opening. While the details of the sale are peculiar, to say the least, officials in Aurelius are concerned about preventing a confrontation — like the one that took place a few years ago in Union Springs as division remains a major problem within the Cayuga Nation leadership.

FingerLakes1.com will have more on this story as it develops.


Edited by kyle585 (08/19/16 07:40 PM)
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#1488545 --- 08/19/16 07:42 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://fingerlakes1.com/2016/08/19/one-operator-of-smoke-shop-at-finger-lakes-drive-in-arrested/

Aurelius is also pursuing legal action against Parker for various zoning violations at the location. However, Jason Silversmith, the second member of the two-man-cigarette-shop team says that the claims are baseless given that the Cayuga Nation only answers to the federal government.
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#1488547 --- 08/19/16 08:06 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
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#1488553 --- 08/20/16 02:06 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
Oh it is? Then how come it is in the news and the courts all the time?
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#1488559 --- 08/20/16 09:05 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
Oh it is? Then how come it is in the news and the courts all the time?
Because this is America and the greedy lawyers need to make a ton of money and most politicians are lawyers. Almost everything goes to court these days grin
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#1488566 --- 08/20/16 10:09 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.

the county would have got all the land back

Uhhhh... No.


Uhhhh... YES

Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.

Uhh YES.

Halbritter is noted for his alleged bribes, which can't be proven in court, and allegedly bought off the Governor's office to give him 23,000 acres and more, and at the request of tribes nationwide he pulled the totally unprecedented move of dropping the tribe's sovereign immunity after SCOTUS accepted their foreclosure case to prevent SCOTUS from ruling on sovereign immunity. My bet is that Harris Beach got paid more than they would have made if they had followed through with the SCOTUS appeal.

It wouldn't even make sense to bribe their printer not to file on time but that is a possibility.

Unfortunately, even if Harris Beach is found guilty of malpractice, it won't undo the damage they did.

The best hope the county has on that is for CERA to win their lawsuit against the Oneida trust applications. We expect to lose at the Second Circuit and it will be next year before SCOTUS gets the appeal.

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#1488569 --- 08/20/16 10:37 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Pure FUD.
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#1488570 --- 08/20/16 11:35 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Pure FUD.
Following your advice, I goggled it.

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FUD
f&#601;d/
noun
noun: FUD; plural noun: FUDs

fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage.
"the FUD factor"
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#1488573 --- 08/20/16 11:58 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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See... all the answers at the tips of your fingers. smile

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#1488599 --- 08/20/16 11:49 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
Oh it is? Then how come it is in the news and the courts all the time?

That depends on what you mean by “this”. If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

Furthermore, those arrested had no authority to purchase land in the tribe's name and basically they and the drive-in owner broke the law. It's going to be in the news.

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#1488631 --- 08/21/16 03:51 PM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requirig tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.
Ya but would the state enforce the law in this case? It is my understanding they are already on firm legal ground to collect the sales tax but they don't do it. And the tribes just thumb up their nose at them. And the state does nothing in response.
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#1488651 --- 08/22/16 06:49 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requirig tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.
Ya but would the state enforce the law in this case? It is my understanding they are already on firm legal ground to collect the sales tax but they don't do it. And the tribes just thumb up their nose at them. And the state does nothing in response.

The reason we lost the sales tax law case was because in the tax law the state changed the definition of a reservation from listing the reservations to defining one as any land that a tribe owns.

We know from Sherrill that a tribe can't claim sovereignty over land through mere purchase and Nozzolio, Kolb & Finch introduced a bill which would require sovereignty over the land to be a reservation, but to my knowledge I don't think it was ever voted on.

Key legislators in both parties have since been arrested for taking bribes and very likely many did not get caught. But if that law were changed, the counties could enforce the law like they attempted to do the last time.

I think the DA's in both counties would do it again IF the law were changed.

I doubt that the State will enforce the law even though they were enforcing it on Long Island before the raids in Seneca & Cayuga counties.

The feds enforced the law against the Seneca-Cayuga because they are under federal jurisdiction and organized under the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act. The rest are all State tribes and recognized as tribes by the feds, but not under federal jurisdiction.

Yes, the State HAS the authority NOW to collect on all reservations but stopped attempting to do so years ago when the tribes rioted.

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#1488652 --- 08/22/16 07:03 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
...rioted.

Correction 'Patches'. Righteous RESISTANCE.

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#1488703 --- 08/23/16 08:14 AM Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council [Re: kyle585]
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In a story that seems to be getting odder by the day, one man has been taken into custody for violating probation, who was operating the smoke shop at the Finger Lakes Drive-In.

The Town of Aurelius is taking legal action against the drive-in, as well as the individual who was arrested. Dustin “Dusty” Parker was apprehended at his probation check-in Thursday night.



maybe timbo can explain if the probation check-in was at a 'tribal' law agency or a county law agency?
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