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#1512518 --- 01/18/18 06:25 AM More political posturing by the Democrats
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So the Democrats want the Ontario County Board of Supervisors to oppose the trash incinerator at the depot. They said they will do more research and come up with a resolution. Best part is they think a Hobart professor is an expert on this issue. So far it looks like they are getting their information from none other than the Finger Lakes Times. People have to wake up and realize that they are being mislead by paid political activists. Seneca Guardian is a Water Keepers affiliate and Water keepers is an environmental non profit that pays activists and supports Democrats. Paid political activists disguised as environmentalists are leading you astray.
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#1512525 --- 01/18/18 10:35 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Like this issue doesn't cut both ways!? The story was released yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/business/rick-perry-energy-photographer.html

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#1512527 --- 01/18/18 11:58 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: FLaker]
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Like all political issues it does cut both ways but some people realize most of it is some kind of swindle. Just remember who is trying to pull a fast one next time they're up for re-election


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#1512533 --- 01/18/18 12:44 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Political maneuvering is NOT the same thing as "swindling". Nor, for that matter, do all such maneuvers equate.
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#1512545 --- 01/18/18 02:01 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Would it be possible to steer this discussion in the direction of the incinerator issue? SC, are you in favor of the incinerator project?

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#1512547 --- 01/18/18 04:26 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: Tacitus]
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Actually I am against anything and everything coming to the Finger Lakes then maybe we can have an election on the REAL issues not some fabricated witch hunt.
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#1512548 --- 01/18/18 04:31 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Political maneuvering is NOT the same thing as "swindling". Nor, for that matter, do all such maneuvers equate.
Then you should vote for me because I will do away with both death and taxes, and I will make it summer all year long. crazy
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#1512549 --- 01/18/18 04:48 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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I don't know... Death defines us, taxes are inevitable and I FAR prefer winter.
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#1512561 --- 01/19/18 09:12 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Why is Seneca County such an attractive location for the trash industry? It seems like there are plenty of locations closer to NYC that would substantially reduce the shipping expenses associated with getting the trash up here.

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#1512562 --- 01/19/18 10:06 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: FLaker]
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Crooked politicians of the 70s and 80s. However it's the crooked politicians of today that make it such a undesirable issue today. A $100.00 steak in New York City yesterday is toxic waste today. The stuff that you put down your kitchen sink drain everyday goes into the lakes and nobody thinks anything of it, but in a landfill it's threatening the health of our children. Total brai๑ washing of the masses for political purposes.


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#1512577 --- 01/19/18 04:17 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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I think if you look at the chemical analysis of the leachate in landfills you'll see that a lot more than $100 steaks is being dumped. There is zero control over the hazardous materials being sent, and there is no capability in the municipal waste handing systems to neutralize these hazardous chemicals when the leachate is presented for "treatment" - all we can do is dilute them using the lake, probably not a great long-term plan, that's why City Council declined to process more leachate. So now it goes elsewhere, not much of a global solution.

I agree with Flaker - if this is such a great program, why not put it in NYC? Or right next to one of their reservoirs? It's safe, right?

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#1512578 --- 01/19/18 08:03 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: Tacitus]
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I suggest you take a look at the Water Quality report for Geneva's water, but don't look at Finger Lakes Institute's report on water quality of Seneca Lake. It might scare you.

http://www.senecameadows.com/current.php

Reverse Osmosis Purifies Leachate

Leachate Before & After


It’s pretty black and white: the effect of reverse osmosis on leachate, that is. The process involves high pressure filtration, which moves the leachate through multiple, semi-permeable membranes to remove more than 99 percent of contaminants. The results are as clear as the purified leachate, and exactly what we were hoping for when we installed our new reverse osmosis treatment system at our landfill site this fall.

For those of you who are new to our website, a bit of explanation may be in order. Leachate is rainwater that has contacted waste. In a landfill, the rainwater trickles down through the waste and is captured at the bottom by the liner system, and pumped out for treatment.
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#1512579 --- 01/19/18 08:20 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: Tacitus]
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So a person buys a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner, some real nasty stuff, and dumps the entire bottle in said toilet. Where does that end up and what type of control is placed on what goes down the toilet ?

What about this stuff ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tide-pod-challenge-ingesting-detergent-risks/
"Ingredients in the pods include ethanol, hydrogen peroxide and polymers – a highly-toxic mix of detergent meant to wipe out dirt and grime. Manufacturers have been concerned about toddlers mistakenly ingesting them, but now teens are popping them on purpose and posting videos of the results online, reports CBS News correspondent Anna Werner."


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#1512590 --- 01/20/18 07:49 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What is most amusing to me is that the Democratic Supervisors are quoted in the paper saying they are concerned that the toxic emissions and leachate might get in to Seneca Lake. Then say they need to do more research. Why didn't they do the research before they started talking about toxic emissions like dioxins and heavy metals ? If people would get their information from reliable sources they would have found that the modern technology reduces or eliminates dioxins and heavy metals. The leachate from handling the waste is collected and can't possibly get out of the facility. More fear mongering from the left as usual. The EPA claims that these modern incinerators are NOT a threat to public health or the environment.
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#1512616 --- 01/21/18 06:12 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
The EPA claims that these modern incinerators are NOT a threat to public health or the environment.


locate one in NYC inside central park

no more trucking the trash this way
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#1512622 --- 01/21/18 08:58 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: bluezone]
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There are 8 in the New York city area.
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#1512624 --- 01/21/18 11:30 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Speaking for myself, I just don't want trash or trashy buildings or lake polluting developments on or around the lake.  All the talk about how safe new technology is and EPA assurances is not taken seriously any longer.  i can see and smell what past promises have brought forth, when what was new, and promising then, has now become old and even more damaging than in the past.

Im tired to waiting for the next best thing to come along.  i want our environment back now.  I want clean water, air, food, and an environment where humans, and creatures other than human, can thrive.

Garbage is a huge major problem.  It must be discussed and dealt with, but people in this region who have been dumped on in the past are now saying no in increasing numbers.  I don't have an answer to the problem.  I'd like to shoot it toward the sun and let it be consumed there, but that's not possible.  Put it elsewhere, we've done our part.  We need a rest from it, call it a long recovery period. Leave us alone, put the garbage near a gated community or a golf course, country club.  --that's how I feel about the matter for what it's worth.

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#1512625 --- 01/21/18 01:07 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: ruby2]
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Sorry to rain on your parade but the only solution to pollution is no people. The only real problem with trash is how you perceive it. Man has left a mess everywhere he's been since the beginning. Maybe you should go to a planet where there is no life because all life forms create waste. The earth then recycles the waste to create or support more life. Maybe you should just get used to the natural cycle of life.

This leads me to ask, did you ever have kids ? And what happens when you feed your kids ? The result is perfectly natural but somehow the results from feeding billions of people is such a terrible thing.


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#1512626 --- 01/21/18 02:07 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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scwoodchuck, you took what I said and extended it into the realm of the absurd which exists solely in your own mind, not mine. 

P.s. do I need to have had children to know what happens when they are fed?

Foolish man you are!

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#1512628 --- 01/21/18 07:31 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: ruby2]
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You are the one who is absurd, I'm being realistic crazy
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#1512629 --- 01/22/18 05:29 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
So the Democrats want the Ontario County Board of Supervisors to oppose the trash incinerator at the depot. They said they will do more research and come up with a resolution. Best part is they think a Hobart professor is an expert on this issue. So far it looks like they are getting their information from none other than the Finger Lakes Times. People have to wake up and realize that they are being mislead by paid political activists. Seneca Guardian is a Water Keepers affiliate and Water keepers is an environmental non profit that pays activists and supports Democrats. Paid political activists disguised as environmentalists are leading you astray.


You just need to follow the money. How much money would Ontario County stand to loose if it went through. No shock that there is a push by some Supervisors to go against it.
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#1512671 --- 01/23/18 09:53 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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We already have a heaping pile of trash stinking up the entire region over in Seneca Falls. Seneca Falls stinks, and depending on which way the wind blows, other parts of our region stink sometimes, too. Enough garbage dumped on the Finger Lakes. Find something else for the depot, or leave it vacant if need be.

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#1512674 --- 01/23/18 10:18 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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No doubt Del Lago will be blaming local odors for not meeting their revenue projections.

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#1512689 --- 01/23/18 02:11 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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I've stood in the parking lot of Del Lago and smelled some pretty putrid odors. They don't seem to be following people inside... yet.

Now, Walmart is another story altogether.

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#1512917 --- 02/02/18 11:11 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: Kells]
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I'm starting a new environmental group to protect the habitat for Bigfoot and unicorns in the Finger Lakes. I will be starting a Facebook page with a donate button. When I have collected enough money I will run for political office in Ontario County. Oh wait, maybe I'LL run for Congress against Tom Reed. If elected I will drive all corporations out of New York State and tax all the rich people in New York City so everyone upstate can go on welfare. I will make all of upstate a sanctuary region with safe places for drug addicts to use their drugs and make wine tours free for all residents. I will get the Federal government to tax working people in other states to pay for everything. Vote for SCWOODCHUCK IN 2018.

OOOPS I forgot Schumer is already doing that, Oh well, you can donate anyway I'll come up with something.


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#1512935 --- 02/02/18 02:59 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
I'm starting a new environmental group to protect the habitat for Bigfoot and unicorns in the Finger Lakes. I will be starting a Facebook page with a donate button. When I have collected enough money I will run for political office in Ontario County. Oh wait, maybe I'LL run for Congress against Tom Reed. If elected I will drive all corporations out of New York State and tax all the rich people in New York City so everyone upstate can go on welfare. I will make all of upstate a sanctuary region with safe places for drug addicts to use their drugs and make wine tours free for all residents. I will get the Federal government to tax working people in other states to pay for everything. Vote for SCWOODCHUCK IN 2018.

OOOPS I forgot Schumer is already doing that, Oh well, you can donate anyway I'll come up with something.


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#1512938 --- 02/02/18 03:32 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
I'm starting a new environmental group to protect the habitat for Bigfoot and unicorns in the Finger Lakes. I will be starting a Facebook page with a donate button. When I have collected enough money I will run for political office in Ontario County. Oh wait, maybe I'LL run for Congress against Tom Reed. If elected I will drive all corporations out of New York State and tax all the rich people in New York City so everyone upstate can go on welfare. I will make all of upstate a sanctuary region with safe places for drug addicts to use their drugs and make wine tours free for all residents. I will get the Federal government to tax working people in other states to pay for everything. Vote for SCWOODCHUCK IN 2018.

OOOPS I forgot Schumer is already doing that, Oh well, you can donate anyway I'll come up with something.

Odd conclusions since red states have by FAR the highest rate of welfare use.

• Louisiana: 18.67%. Total annual EBT cost alone - $107.4 million.
• Tennessee: 19.58%. Total annual EBT cost alone - $158.7 million
• Oregon: 19.93%. Total annual EBT cost alone - $98 million
• West Virginia: 19.96%. Total annual EBT cost alone - $45.7 million
• New Mexico: 21.5%. Total annual EBT cost alone - $55.5 million
• Mississippi: 21.74%. Total annual EBT cost alone - $80.5 million



States most and least dependent on federal government:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-state...vernment-2015-7
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/


Corporate Tax Rates by State:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States





American Workers Pay Twice as Much in Taxes as Wealthy Investors:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/...althy-investors


Supervised Injection Facilities WORK:
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#1512950 --- 02/02/18 09:29 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: Timbo]
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Who cares about welfare when you have this

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-03...president-obama

http://disabilityplanningdata.com/site/state_population_table.php?state=newyork

How many times do I have to tell you corporations DON'T PAY TAXES, taxes are a business expense passed on to the consumer through higher prices for their products and services.

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Looks a lot like your map, don't it !


Edited by scwoodchuck (02/02/18 09:37 PM)
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#1512966 --- 02/03/18 11:59 AM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Who cares about welfare...

YOU do, enough to make it the primary point of your above post.
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#1512967 --- 02/03/18 12:01 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck

First of all, it's not MY map. The DATA were compiled by US State and Federal tax agencies

Secondly, it looks nothing like it.
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#1513221 --- 02/12/18 11:49 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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>"Democrats" are the reason I'm a loser

No. You are.

>A non-profit organization of people who actually care about their natural world instead of dumb capital for the sake of it are somehow paying anyone you personally disagree with to be an activist

lol. Take your meds. You don't have to be paid to see how an incinerator of outside the area trash located between the two largest Finger Lakes is a brain-dead idiotic idea.
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#1513243 --- 02/14/18 10:22 PM Re: More political posturing by the Democrats [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
So the Democrats want the Ontario County Board of Supervisors to oppose the trash incinerator at the depot. They said they will do more research and come up with a resolution. Best part is they think a Hobart professor is an expert on this issue. So far it looks like they are getting their information from none other than the Finger Lakes Times. People have to wake up and realize that they are being mislead by paid political activists. Seneca Guardian is a Water Keepers affiliate and Water keepers is an environmental non profit that pays activists and supports Democrats. Paid political activists disguised as environmentalists are leading you astray.


If the democrats are against it then I am all for it.
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