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#1512461 --- 01/15/18 01:06 PM Snow removal in downtown or lack there of
DR. D Offline
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Headline should have been "SF supervisor is unaware of his surroundings want to throw down with FL1 over the weather"

On Sunday, FingerLakes1.com published an op-ed outlining concerns raised about snow removal in Seneca Falls.

In particular, the piece asked what the policy was for snow removal in Seneca Falls. It was prompted by a series of messages and emails directed to FL1 that had been received after those visiting downtown late-Saturday and early-Sunday saw downtown sidewalks untouched, more than 24-hours removed from Winter Storm Hunter.

It was the largest snowfall of the year, but one that was not historically significant

A few hours after that op-ed was published, FingerLakes1.com received responses from Town officials who outlined the policy.

“Downtown Business Storefronts are to shovel their sidewalks out to the curb. The Town Highway [Department] will then clean up the snow at the curb when they are caught up from plowing and other clean ups of Town buildings,” explained Councilor Dave DeLelys, who said that the information came from Seneca Falls Highway Superintendent Jim Peterson.

FingerLakes1.com called Highway Department office to verify, but Peterson was not available at the time.

Town Supervisor Greg Lazzaro was unaware of any issue downtown. “Please contact Jim Peterson as snow removal is the responsibility of the Highway Department,” he said in an emailed statement. “If this is a problem and needs correction let us know the nature of the complaints. If there is a problem we can effect a change, but first we have to understand the issue,” the statement continued.

The supervisor seemed to question the reason for the column, which was authored by the publication’s news director. “Since when did FingerLakes1 become a complaint division for the Town,” he asked in the emailed statement, prompted by a request for additional clarity on what the policy about snow removal was. “Print the news don’t try to make it,” Lazzaro concluded.

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http://fingerlakes1.com/2018/01/14/officials-respond-to-snow-removal-policy-following-fl1-exclusive/

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#1512532 --- 01/18/18 12:38 PM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: DR. D]
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Oh there is a part 2 now, looks promising.....no wait they are just going to start charging the locals with a violation for not cleaning their own mess....nice.

Change coming? Deputy supervisor says combination of enforcement, policy change needed with snow removal issue (vows to seek revenge against average citizens)

The Town of Seneca Falls issued a reminder to residents about snow removal policies that are currently in place.
The policy from Section 300-95 of the Town books reads as follows:
All snow, ice, dirt or other obstruction upon any public sidewalk in the Town of Seneca Falls shall be removed by the owner or occupant of the adjoining land immediately after the same is deposited thereon, except as otherwise provided herein. Upon the failure of the owner or occupant to remove the same, it shall be the duty of the Highway Superintendent to remove the same, and the expense thereof shall be a lien upon the adjoining premises and charged and assessed against the same; and if the same is not paid within 30 days after it shall be due and payable, it shall be certified to the Treasurer of the Town, who shall place the same on the real property tax bill for that year with interest and penalties allowed by law and be collected as other Town taxes are collected.
It shall be the duty of every owner, tenant, occupant or other person in charge of any premises fronting on any public street or alley to remove all snow and ice from sidewalks before 9:00 A.M. following the time of the deposit.
Immediate removal impractical. When weather conditions make it impractical to remove such snow and ice, the owner, tenant, occupant or other person having charge of any premises as aforesaid shall, within the aforesaid specified time, cause the sidewalk abutting on such premises to be covered with salt, sand, or some suitable material and shall, as soon thereafter as the weather permits, thoroughly clean the sidewalks.

The official update comes after a FingerLakes1.com story was published, outlining questions and concerns raised by residents, business owners, and community stakeholders of existing policy. Seneca Falls Business Association President Ann Sandroni said in a statement over the weekend that this is a policy that downtown businesses have sought answers about for years. “When we were a Village it was done before 7 am after the storm,” she said. “Something really needs to be done to ensure the safety and well-being of our customers and tourists of Seneca Falls.”
Bev Lombardo, Seneca County Art Council Board Member told FingerLakes1.com in an emailed statement that over this past weekend she found it difficult to get from her car to a sidewalk. She said that took place at 10 a.m. on Monday – more than two days removed from the winter storm.
“Some closed businesses had not shoveled at all. Are they fined for not shoveling?” she asked. Under the current policy, the answer is ‘Yes’, but it remains unclear how frequently or rigorously the issue is policed.
Deputy Supervisor Lou Ferrara says this isn’t a problem exclusive to the downtown setting. “I’ve seen adults and children walking on our roads the past couple days because sidewalks aren’t clear,” he said. “Homeowners are not, or have not been cleaning their walkways.”

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#1512779 --- 01/28/18 06:57 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: DR. D]
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Part 3 in the continuing saga of "clear your own walkways or we will fine you and still not do it"

The current snow removal policy in Seneca Falls ‘works’ if the entire community pulls their weight. That was the word on Monday from Seneca Falls Highway Superintendent Jim Peterson, who provided an update on last week’s snow removal efforts after heavy snow blanketed the Town.

“The policy works if everyone in the community works together,” explained Peterson, who said that snow removal isn’t as simple as it might seem on the surface.

He said that the existing policy is clear and puts the responsibility on the homeowner, property owner, or storefront operator — in the case of the Town’s two business districts. “On Sunday we cleared the crosswalks, and checked downtown sidewalks,” Peterson added. He said that his crews checked downtown daily, until the snow had finally been cleared to a point where his team could get at it.

The Town Code states that those who operate storefronts, or own property downtown are obligated to push snow to the curb. At that point, Peterson and the Seneca Falls Highway Department come in and clean the snow out.

Staffing is another concern, according to Peterson. “I have a crew of six guys and myself” he explained. “That’s our department for all of Seneca Falls. As an example, we plow 118 miles of roads every time we go out to plow — plus two big municipal parking lots. Most storms require us to do more than one run.”

When they made it downtown for those frequent checks — highway staff were greeted by uncleaned sidewalks — a violation of the Town’s policy. “It says they have to clear it by 9 a.m. after the storm,” he added, pointing out that they even checked the status of the sidewalks on Martin Luther King Day.

“We checked things out on Sunday, and on Monday some of the sidewalks still remained untouched in the two business districts,” added Peterson. At that point, he contacted Zoning & Code Enforcement Officer Dean Zettlemoyer, who contracted with a third-party to clear the sidewalks to the curb.

“We were finally able to start the cleanup in the two business districts Monday night,” Peterson continued. “We had parking lots, sidewalks and the entire Town that we are responsible for cleared of snow and hauled away by mid-week.”

Peterson emphasized the importance of all parties involved doing their part to ensure that the community is clear of snow after events like the one last weekend. “Again, the policy works if everyone works together,” he concluded.

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#1512849 --- 01/31/18 04:17 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: DR. D]
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Has anyone else noticed that problems with the street department (snow removal isn't the only issue) began after Peterson took over? The issues were nonexistent when Woody was in charge.
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#1512850 --- 01/31/18 06:15 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: Festus]
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Does anyone remember the town Supervisor asking department heads to cut their budgets ?
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#1512870 --- 01/31/18 08:31 PM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: Festus]
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Woody had dump money.

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#1512871 --- 02/01/18 04:30 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: DR. D]
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Woody was organized and efficient. Peterson is neither.
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#1512874 --- 02/01/18 08:04 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Headline should have been "SF supervisor is unaware of his surroundings want to throw down with FL1 over the weather"

On Sunday, FingerLakes1.com published an op-ed outlining concerns raised about snow removal in Seneca Falls.

In particular, the piece asked what the policy was for snow removal in Seneca Falls. It was prompted by a series of messages and emails directed to FL1 that had been received after those visiting downtown late-Saturday and early-Sunday saw downtown sidewalks untouched, more than 24-hours removed from Winter Storm Hunter.

It was the largest snowfall of the year, but one that was not historically significant

A few hours after that op-ed was published, FingerLakes1.com received responses from Town officials who outlined the policy.

“Downtown Business Storefronts are to shovel their sidewalks out to the curb. The Town Highway [Department] will then clean up the snow at the curb when they are caught up from plowing and other clean ups of Town buildings,” explained Councilor Dave DeLelys, who said that the information came from Seneca Falls Highway Superintendent Jim Peterson.


maybe they were waiting for the snow to melt in spring time? whistle
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#1512875 --- 02/01/18 08:12 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Town Supervisor Greg Lazzaro was unaware of any issue downtown.


must be that at no time did he drive downtown during the situtation and witness the conditions
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#1512898 --- 02/01/18 06:13 PM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: Festus]
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Originally Posted By: Festus
Woody was organized and efficient. Peterson is neither.


....and he had dump money.

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#1512914 --- 02/02/18 08:20 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Originally Posted By: Festus
Woody was organized and efficient. Peterson is neither.


....and he had dump money.


All the money in the world can't make a disorganized, inefficient person become organized and efficient.
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#1512916 --- 02/02/18 10:49 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: DR. D
Town Supervisor Greg Lazzaro was unaware of any issue downtown.


must be that at no time did he drive downtown during the situtation and witness the conditions



Let's see, it was Sunday morning, looks to be about 8am in the picture. There was a travel advisory in effect, meaning no unnecessary travel. Anybody know how many stores were open, I'm guessing none. Welcome to whine country !


Edited by scwoodchuck (02/02/18 10:51 AM)
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#1512963 --- 02/03/18 10:08 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: DR. D
Town Supervisor Greg Lazzaro was unaware of any issue downtown.


must be that at no time did he drive downtown during the situtation and witness the conditions


Let's see, it was Sunday morning, looks to be about 8am in the picture. There was a travel advisory in effect, meaning no unnecessary travel.


more reason to have the streets plowed in a timely fashion as the town plow drivers did not have to encounter other vehicles on the streets
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#1512964 --- 02/03/18 10:22 AM Re: Snow removal in downtown or lack there of [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Let's see,


simple math

118 / 10 / 7 = 1.69

does the 1.69 result appear to be correct?
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