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#1512309 --- 01/11/18 08:59 AM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/10/politics/joe-arpiao-barack-obama-cnntv/index.html

Here's an example of Conservative fodder and a self elicit ignorance. I ask you to use legitimate common sense which may minimize the humor you and others offer by simply referring to the bureau of statistics which states that any American born citizen who births an offspring, said offspring is naturally born an American citizen as well but ignorance prevails and Joe must somehow come up with the theory that Obama's mother was born outside the United States herself. Don't expect an immediate response because I'm heading to a "fake doctor" and afterwards heading to my "fake" CPA so he can start on my "fake tax preparation and those fake 1099, W2, and other fake documents declaring my "fake income" whistle

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#1512311 --- 01/11/18 12:59 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Formermac]
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Obamaís mother was born in Kansas and the law is what it is. Joe never said she was born outside the country. His only claim is if you want to see the evidence that the birth certificate is fake, then heíll show you the evidence.

Not so strangely CNN focused on a nonissue relative to his senate run because deflect and detract fit their agenda. As Joe said, oh now youíre bringing that up? He took their bait rather than tell them thatís a non-issue. At this point, what difference does it make?

Your CPA will use the data you provide. Whether your declared income is fake or not is up to you. Based on your posts, maybe you should be audited.

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#1512312 --- 01/11/18 01:05 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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LOL, the fact that his Mother was born in Kansas says what? or do I have to delicately hold your hands and walk you through the obvious large door. It's a non issue.

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#1512313 --- 01/11/18 01:07 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Obamaís mother was born in Kansas and the law is what it is. Joe never said she was born outside the country. His only claim is if you want to see the evidence that the birth certificate is fake, then heíll show you the evidence.

Not so strangely CNN focused on a nonissue relative to his senate run because deflect and detract fit their agenda. As Joe said, oh now youíre bringing that up? He took their bait rather than tell them thatís a non-issue. At this point, what difference does it make?

Your CPA will use the data you provide. Whether your declared income is fake or not is up to you. Based on your posts, maybe you should be audited.


I love the ignorance you offer, mainly for the fact that I used your fake narrative, turned it against you and still, your ignorance knows not the distinction of reality and folly. whistle

Maybe one day, you'll understand why most business people use a CPA adverse to a tax prepare personell.

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#1512315 --- 01/11/18 01:36 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Formermac]
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#1512387 --- 01/13/18 11:06 AM Re: Fake News [Re: Formermac]
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Well you fanaticized yourself what Joeís theory was regarding Obamaísí mother in typical CNN style following your link of CNN of alleged news on Joe Arpaio. I merely reiterated what Joe actually said and noted where his mother was born. Your tangents are as skewed as those of CNN which make your posts as fake as CNN news. Maybe Obummer wasnít born in a hospital even though they were in Hawaii. Heíd be as much a citizen as those from China or those who cross the border and then have kids. I donít care even though CNN seemed to be obsessed with Joeís claim about the birth certificate but not so obsessed to take him up on his offer to look at his evidence.

Itís typical CNN reporting like their coverage of Trump assisting flood victims in Texas and what they focused on was his wife getting on Air Force One wearing stiletto high heels, not that Moochelle could ever wear them, and not how quickly he assisted victims or what she was wearing when she got off the plane.

I agree with you about using a CPA and not a tax preparer. But even a CPA is limited to using the data you provide. I used a CPA the year after I sold my farm. Other than that Iíve always done my own taxes. But Iím not a fat, err big man, like yourself with a business. Preparers donít really know squat. Thanks to the new tax regulations we can all file them next year on a post card. Even you will pay fewer taxes next year. Complain about that.

You live in a fantasy world. The lights are on but nobodyís home. I guess they call you sparky because you have so many loose connections.


Edited by Rich_Tallcot (01/13/18 12:14 PM)
Edit Reason: politically correct change

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#1512390 --- 01/13/18 11:37 AM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Well you fanaticized yourself what Joeís theory was regarding Obamaísí mother in typical CNN style following your link of CNN of alleged news on Joe Arpaio. I merely reiterated what Joe actually said and noted where his mother was born. Your tangents are as skewed as those of CNN which make your posts as fake as CNN news.

Ridiculous!

Not only were both of you implying it, it is also not really what he said when considering either totality OR context.

The only "fake" things here, are your sincerity and facts.
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#1512391 --- 01/13/18 12:03 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Thanks to the new tax regulations we can all file them next year on a post card. Even you will pay fewer taxes next year. Complain about that.

How about, if instead, we complain that those same new tax regs will, in seven years time, begin in full force, a pyramid tax-scheme that will coerce all middle-class taxpayers into paying for those tax breaks of both the extremely wealthy and that of the most profitable corporations on the planet?

Hell, this tax sleight-of-hand is being set aside the moment it's signed into law. Just another sleazy, Republican mandated, high-interest tax advance, more commonly referred to as a "shell-game" (precisely like your entire argument). To say otherwise, is to either lie or exhibit wholesale ignorance of the situation. Ultimately, the middle class will pay FAR MORE in taxes.

It's an entirely different story when you have all the facts... isn't it?
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#1512395 --- 01/13/18 12:33 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
http://dailysignal.com/2017/12/14/5-myths-tax-reform-theyre-wrong/

5 Myths About Tax Reform, and Why Theyíre Wrong
Myth 1: This is just a tax cut for the rich, and it will actually raise taxes for everyone else.
The truth is in fact the opposite.

The Cato Instituteís Chris Edwards notes that the Senate tax bill cuts income taxes for people making $40,000 to $75,000 a year by about 37 percent. People making over $1 million see a cut of only 6 percent.
In two recent Daily Signal pieces, we calculated how 12 different taxpayers would fare under each of the tax plans. The results show that almost everyone will see a tax cut, and only the wealthiest families are at risk of their taxes going up.
Under the current tax code, the top 10 percent of income earners earn about 45 percent of all income and pay 70 percent of all federal income taxes. The U.S. tax code is already highly progressive, and these tax reforms will only increase the trend of the wealthy paying more than their share of income earned.
Myth 2: Repealing the individual mandate will raise taxes on the poor, raise insurance premiums, and kill 10,000 people a year.
Myth 3: Corporations and their rich owners will receive a huge windfall.

Myth 4: Tax reform will be bad for seniors.

Myth 5: Tax reform wonít grow the economy, it will only add to the debt.

House of cherry-picked facts, distortions and opinion, by the most conservatively biased and poorly-regarded pollster around.

Brilliant work, Governor!

Notice no mention whatsoever of the temporary nature of middle-class taxbreaks
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#1512396 --- 01/13/18 12:42 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Well you fanaticized yourself what Joeís theory was regarding Obamaísí mother in typical CNN style following your link of CNN of alleged news on Joe Arpaio. I merely reiterated what Joe actually said and noted where his mother was born. Your tangents are as skewed as those of CNN which make your posts as fake as CNN news. Maybe Obummer wasnít born in a hospital even though they were in Hawaii. Heíd be as much a citizen as those from China or those who cross the border and then have kids. I donít care even though CNN seemed to be obsessed with Joeís claim about the birth certificate but not so obsessed to take him up on his offer to look at his evidence.

Itís typical CNN reporting like their coverage of Trump assisting flood victims in Texas and what they focused on was his wife getting on Air Force One wearing stiletto high heels, not that Moochelle could ever wear them, and not how quickly he assisted victims or what she was wearing when she got off the plane.

I agree with you about using a CPA and not a tax preparer. But even a CPA is limited to using the data you provide. I used a CPA the year after I sold my farm. Other than that Iíve always done my own taxes. But Iím not a fat, err big man, like yourself with a business. Preparers donít really know squat. Thanks to the new tax regulations we can all file them next year on a post card. Even you will pay fewer taxes next year. Complain about that.

You live in a fantasy world. The lights are on but nobodyís home. I guess they call you sparky because you have so many loose connections.



Yes, we know about the farm and how the "STATE" got involved. Seeing that your only option besides being embarrassed is to go off topic and get personal, we'll return the favor and ask why did the feds visit the farm? Now don't lie because sparky's former company paid a visit a few years back and I heard about the results.


Edited by Formermac (01/13/18 12:44 PM)

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#1512397 --- 01/13/18 12:46 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Timbo]
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I guess you didnít watch the same video or read the same transcript that Formermac and I did. You never could connect a dot to itself. But be sure to tangent off the same non issue.

Ultimately government will reap more in taxes thanks to making business more profitable unless you live in New York. But thatís run by Democrats.

I havenít paid any income tax or school taxes since I left New York and property tax is one sixth of what it was and utilities are one third. Thanks to the results of Trump being elected I make more interest on my IRA than I have to draw out.

You can complain about taxes in seven years if the Democrats take control.

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#1512400 --- 01/13/18 12:51 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
I havenít paid any income tax or school taxes since I left New York
Where do the schools get their money to operate in your state?
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#1512401 --- 01/13/18 12:53 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Thanks to the new tax regulations we can all file them next year on a post card.
OMG. You don't really believe that do you?
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#1512402 --- 01/13/18 12:55 PM Re: Fake News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/.../donald-trump-taxes.html

Oct 1, 2016 - The tax records obtained by The Times show that Donald J. Trump claimed a $916 million loss that could have allowed him to legally avoid paying federal income taxes for up to 18 years
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#1512403 --- 01/13/18 01:03 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Somehow you either don't have knowledge on finances or you have selective memory, how many tax cuts did we witness under GW Bush? Apparently math isn't a strong point when in order to pay your bills in a timely manner, one must first have the cash flow, in this case, taxpayers like yourself and I as you Conservatives hammered for 8 years under Obama, 'we can't afford to pay out more than what's coming in" but your hypocrisy prevails by stating that we can afford a Trillion dollar line item along with a "wall" and medical expenses for those unable to pay their charges at any emergency room. It seems that the government went bankrupted due to the shortages of monies that corporate kept for themselves, while not paying taxes and laying off millions of workers that went on the dole of the government....BTW, being unemployed and uninsured makes it somewhat difficult to pay your fair share of obligation toward keeping the local and federal government running efficiently.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car...her-job-n836261


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#1512423 --- 01/13/18 08:26 PM Re: Fake News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
I havenít paid any income tax or school taxes since I left New York
Where do the schools get their money to operate in your state?
TN schools are funded through a percentage of the sales tax a percentage of the property tax and the state lottery. Sales tax here is just under 10%, which is less than two cents more than I was paying in New York. 55 cents of every 62 cent tax on a pack of cigarettes goes toward education. I just know that I can buy three packs of my pipe tobacco for less than it used to cost to buy one.

States like New York replace education funds with lottery funds in a shell game. Theyíre frugal here on everything when it comes to tax dollars.

One of the biggest cost saving measures here in education is sports. Example, if you want your kid to play soccer it costs you $6,000 and you get them to where they need to go and back on your own dime.

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#1512424 --- 01/13/18 08:33 PM Re: Fake News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Thanks to the new tax regulations we can all file them next year on a post card.
OMG. You don't really believe that do you?
Not really, unless one uses microfilm. Only a flat tax would do that. But we'll find out next year.

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#1512425 --- 01/13/18 09:00 PM Re: Fake News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/.../donald-trump-taxes.html

Oct 1, 2016 - The tax records obtained by The Times show that Donald J. Trump claimed a $916 million loss that could have allowed him to legally avoid paying federal income taxes for up to 18 years
I remember the Times exposing what he could have done and doubt that he does his own taxes. Now he donates his whole Presidential salary. Your link doesnít work, but his latest large loss is a result of partnering with Wilmot in the Del Lago Casino.

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#1512426 --- 01/13/18 09:58 PM Re: Fake News [Re: Formermac]
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Former: The wall will pay for itself in reduced costs of welfare, education and crime all of which were increased under Obama along with a ten trillion dollar debt.

There are several ways to recoup the money from Mexico. Raise tariffs which may result in Mexico removing 101 billion in tax benefits to foreign investors and make them reconsider relocating back, tax the 25 billion a year being wired back to Mexico by taxing wire transfers, levying a "border adjustment" tax. Imports would be taxed but not exports. A 20% tax, given the $60bn trade deficit with Mexico, would raise $12bn a year. Mexico could do little, the Washington Post reports, because border adjustments would apply to all US trading partners and would not therefore be seen as a singling out Mexico. Increasing travel visa and border crossing fees targeting countries that have a bad record on illegal immigration, including Mexico, for higher visa fees with increasing the fees on cars and individual people crossing the border it would raise revenue.

Of course most of these possibilities would require the cooperation of Congress and the media hoopla about the wall fails to recognize that it was a Democrat Congress which first voted to build it.

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#1512429 --- 01/14/18 04:29 AM Re: Fake News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
I havenít paid any income tax or school taxes since I left New York
Where do the schools get their money to operate in your state?
TN schools are funded through a percentage of the sales tax a percentage of the property tax and the state lottery. Sales tax here is just under 10%, which is less than two cents more than I was paying in New York. 55 cents of every 62 cent tax on a pack of cigarettes goes toward education. I just know that I can buy three packs of my pipe tobacco for less than it used to cost to buy one.

States like New York replace education funds with lottery funds in a shell game. Theyíre frugal here on everything when it comes to tax dollars.

One of the biggest cost saving measures here in education is sports. Example, if you want your kid to play soccer it costs you $6,000 and you get them to where they need to go and back on your own dime.
So you are paying school taxes there just as in NY but it is not obvious as it comes out of many pots. Both states use lottery money. You said they are frugal there when it comes to tax dollars. That maybe but is very difficult to prove. Sales tax there is 10%! Wow. You are paying a lot of tax there but you just don't see it in a property tax bill.
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