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#1501069 --- 07/08/17 11:14 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Of course not. Do you even read what you post

Why is it you act like a rabid dog?

Why do YOU post baseless assertions that are patently contradicted by the very content contained WITHIN them??? crazy
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#1501077 --- 07/08/17 02:40 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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You're Fired: Trump Administration Axed Over 500 'Misbehaving' Veterans Affairs Workers Since January
Matt Vespa

The scandal that engulfed Veterans Affairs was appalling. It rightfully put the whole department under the microscope, but the system isn’t fixed. In 2015, there were reports that hundreds of thousands of veterans, who were backlogged, were no longer living. That same year, a VA inspector general report said that estimated 307,000 veterans might have died while waiting for care. There were also questionable expenditures the VA made, like spending $420 million to solar panel their hospitals, as patients waited to see a doctor. Recently, a VA hospital in Los Angeles lost around 100 patients (43 percent of it 225 patients) between October 2014 and August of 2015 while waiting for care. Things needed to be shaken up. As the VA disclosed today, more than 500 employees have been axed since January (via Washington Examiner):

Department of Veterans Affairs officials have fired more than 500 misbehaving employees since January, according to data posted online Friday.
VA Secretary David Shulkin touted his agency's decision to publish its efforts to hold VA employees accountable, unveiling new requirements for updating the public on personnel actions.
"Veterans and taxpayers have a right to know what we're doing to hold our employees accountable and make our personnel actions transparent," Shulkin said in a statement. "Posting this information online for all to see, and updating it weekly, will do just that."
The VA has removed 526 employees since Jan. 20, according to the accountability report released on Friday. Agency officials have demoted another 27 employees and temporarily suspended an additional 194 employees for longer than two weeks. The list does not include names but shows positions.
Last month, President Donald Trump signed into law a Veterans Affairs reform bill that would better protect whistleblowers and streamline the process to fire incompetent employees.

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#1501079 --- 07/08/17 07:11 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: cwjga]
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Originally Posted By: cwjga
You're Fired: Trump Administration Axed Over 500 'Misbehaving' Veterans Affairs Workers Since January
Matt Vespa
Well it appears that maybe Trump did something right one time out of a hundred decisions. I can give credit where credit is due.

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#1501080 --- 07/08/17 07:14 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/08/trump-putin-meeting-g20-leader-gergen-ac.cnn

Speaking about President Donald Trump at the G20 summit, CNN's David Gergen said despite an engaging meeting with President Putin, it was the first time he's seen a US president attend and no longer be "regarded as the world leader."

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#1501082 --- 07/08/17 07:33 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/08/trump-putin-meeting-g20-leader-gergen-ac.cnn

Speaking about President Donald Trump at the G20 summit, CNN's David Gergen said despite an engaging meeting with President Putin, it was the first time he's seen a US president attend and no longer be "regarded as the world leader."


You still believe CNN is a reliable news source , don't you Kyle?

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#1501094 --- 07/08/17 11:28 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/08/trump-putin-meeting-g20-leader-gergen-ac.cnn

Speaking about President Donald Trump at the G20 summit, CNN's David Gergen said despite an engaging meeting with President Putin, it was the first time he's seen a US president attend and no longer be "regarded as the world leader."




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#1501309 --- 07/11/17 07:49 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Trump Jr.’s emails offer a revelation unlike any other in the Russia probe

Donald Trump Jr.’s emails are the clearest indication yet that Trump campaign officials and family members were willing to deal with a foreign adversary in their mutual goal of taking down Hillary Clinton, and their revelation is dramatic proof that the Russia investigation is alive with no end in sight.

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#1501310 --- 07/11/17 07:51 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/08/trump-putin-meeting-g20-leader-gergen-ac.cnn

Speaking about President Donald Trump at the G20 summit, CNN's David Gergen said despite an engaging meeting with President Putin, it was the first time he's seen a US president attend and no longer be "regarded as the world leader."
You still believe CNN is a reliable news source , don't you Kyle?
Do you really believe that the other nations at the G20 saw Trump as the world leader? If so you must be drinking wacky water.

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#1501313 --- 07/11/17 08:14 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/07/08/trump-putin-meeting-g20-leader-gergen-ac.cnn

Speaking about President Donald Trump at the G20 summit, CNN's David Gergen said despite an engaging meeting with President Putin, it was the first time he's seen a US president attend and no longer be "regarded as the world leader."
You still believe CNN is a reliable news source , don't you Kyle?
Do you really believe that the other nations at the G20 saw Trump as the world leader? If so you must be drinking wacky water.


You don't seem to understand Kyle, Globalist mean nothing to me.

I don't believe President Trump drinks, but I also believe your a honest the gawd Republican, and you talk to yourself.

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#1501315 --- 07/11/17 08:25 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Trump Jr.’s emails offer a revelation unlike any other in the Russia probe

Donald Trump Jr.’s emails are the clearest indication yet that Trump campaign officials and family members were willing to deal with a foreign adversary in their mutual goal of taking down Hillary Clinton, and their revelation is dramatic proof that the Russia investigation is alive with no end in sight.
Kyle THEY HAVE NOTHING!

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#1501316 --- 07/11/17 08:27 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: gassy one]
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If Bill & Hilary weren't such crooks nobody would be looking! LOL!

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#1501340 --- 07/12/17 04:12 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: gassy one]
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Well, it's official. The British Government and the US Government have announced that Donald Trump will be postponing his visit to the UK until 2018. Now, the reason for this is because, and this has been confirmed by British media and a phone call between Teresa May and Donald Trump last month, is that Donald Trump doesn't want to go visit London. He doesn't want to go over to Britain because he's afraid he'll be met with protesters.

Now he's not afraid somebody's going to hurt him or harm him or threaten him. He just doesn't want to go over there and cause a big scene and be immediately met with opposition because people over there are opposed, according to them, to his divisive politics. So Donald Trump has decided, even though it is customary, and this would be a diplomatic visit, after all, he does have business to discuss, with the leaders of the British Government, as they're trying to work out a trade deal between the United States and the UK. And he's going to postpone it because he is afraid of protesters. Because he doesn't want those mean old people in the streets with their signs telling him that they don't like him. That is how weak our President of the United States currently is.

This man is so thin-skinned that he is unwilling to go work on a trade deal with another country, something he promised he would do during his campaign, because he doesn't want people saying they don't like him. Now of course, according to Trump himself, he's saying he's doing this because he doesn't want to disrupt anything over there. It isn't one of these protesters interrupting the daily lives of people. He's doing it for you. He doesn't want to screw up your life because these people have nothing better to do.

When in reality he's hoping that maybe by 2018 the anti-Trump fervor over in the UK will have died down a bit, and he can sneak on over there and make his appearance and everything will be fine. But the groups organizing protesters against Donald Trump have made it clear that they are going to be ready at a moment's notice to appear wherever, whenever Donald Trump shows up in the United Kingdom, including his Scotland golf course of Turnberry, which it has been hinted at that Donald Trump will go visit sometime within the next few days as he heads over to France for Bastille Day.

Now, Trump obviously has many, many problems. But this particular issue, that he won't travel to Britain, to work on a trade deal for a diplomatic visit because he's afraid of protesters, what does that say to the rest of the world about the United States? How are our enemies going to look at this? And say, "Oh, that's a man we should be afraid of. Maybe we need to stop being so horrible." No. They know they can get under Trump's skin and undermine his administration without dropping a single bomb or committing an attack. All they have to do is organize a few protesters to say, "We don't like your policies." That's how you defeat Donald Trump, and he just gave that blueprint out to everybody on this planet.

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#1501413 --- 07/12/17 09:45 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Well, it's official. The British Government and the US Government have announced that Donald Trump will be postponing his visit to the UK until 2018. Now, the reason for this is because, and this has been confirmed by British media and a phone call between Teresa May and Donald Trump last month, is that Donald Trump doesn't want to go visit London. He doesn't want to go over to Britain because he's afraid he'll be met with protesters.

Now he's not afraid somebody's going to hurt him or harm him or threaten him. He just doesn't want to go over there and cause a big scene and be immediately met with opposition because people over there are opposed, according to them, to his divisive politics. So Donald Trump has decided, even though it is customary, and this would be a diplomatic visit, after all, he does have business to discuss, with the leaders of the British Government, as they're trying to work out a trade deal between the United States and the UK. And he's going to postpone it because he is afraid of protesters. Because he doesn't want those mean old people in the streets with their signs telling him that they don't like him. That is how weak our President of the United States currently is.

This man is so thin-skinned that he is unwilling to go work on a trade deal with another country, something he promised he would do during his campaign, because he doesn't want people saying they don't like him. Now of course, according to Trump himself, he's saying he's doing this because he doesn't want to disrupt anything over there. It isn't one of these protesters interrupting the daily lives of people. He's doing it for you. He doesn't want to screw up your life because these people have nothing better to do.

When in reality he's hoping that maybe by 2018 the anti-Trump fervor over in the UK will have died down a bit, and he can sneak on over there and make his appearance and everything will be fine. But the groups organizing protesters against Donald Trump have made it clear that they are going to be ready at a moment's notice to appear wherever, whenever Donald Trump shows up in the United Kingdom, including his Scotland golf course of Turnberry, which it has been hinted at that Donald Trump will go visit sometime within the next few days as he heads over to France for Bastille Day.

Now, Trump obviously has many, many problems. But this particular issue, that he won't travel to Britain, to work on a trade deal for a diplomatic visit because he's afraid of protesters, what does that say to the rest of the world about the United States? How are our enemies going to look at this? And say, "Oh, that's a man we should be afraid of. Maybe we need to stop being so horrible." No. They know they can get under Trump's skin and undermine his administration without dropping a single bomb or committing an attack. All they have to do is organize a few protesters to say, "We don't like your policies." That's how you defeat Donald Trump, and he just gave that blueprint out to everybody on this planet.
Kyle you are a idiot!

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#1501490 --- 07/13/17 05:22 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Kyle you are a idiot!
Is it because I post a lot of information from many sources and you have no way to rebut it except by name calling? I like what Michele Obama said when you go low we go high.

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#1501507 --- 07/14/17 10:08 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Trump Makes Progress Packing Courts With Conservative Picks

Kevin Daley
Supreme Court Reporter

A Senate panel cleared several of President Donald Trump’s judicial nominees Thursday, just hours before the White House announced its fifth slate of judicial candidates.

The day was a productive one for an administration facing an unprecedented number of vacancies on federal courts.

The Senate Judiciary Committee voted to advance the confirmation of several Trump nominees to federal appeals courts Thursday morning. John Bush, a Louisville lawyer in private practice, and Damien Schiff, a public interest litigator, were each approved by the committee on a party-line vote. Bush was nominated for a seat on the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, while Schiff was tapped for a 15-year term on the U.S. Court of Federal Claims.

Kevin Newsom’s nomination to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals advanced to the full Senate 18-2.

Schiff and Bush in particular faced a bruising confirmation hearing, as lawmakers grilled the pair on inflammatory posts written on various law blogs. Schiff referred to Justice Anthony Kennedy as a “judicial prostitute” in a 2007 post on the Omnia Omnibus blog, while Bush called Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz a “sore loser” for declining to endorse the president during the Republican National Convention in 2016.

Cruz is a member of the judiciary committee.

Their nominations will now proceed to the full Senate for a final confirmation vote.

Conservative legal commentators have enthusiastically praised Newsom, Bush, and Schiff as solid picks with excellent jurisprudential bona fides.

“Thank you to President Trump for keeping your campaign promise and continuing to pick excellent nominees, including those who were voted on today,” said Carrie Severino chief counsel of the conservative Judicial Crisis Network.

The White House submitted another round of nominees Thursday afternoon. All 11 candidates were named to judicial vacancies in district courts across the south.

Several of the nominees were named to courts facing “judicial emergencies,” including the Middle District of Tennessee, and the Northern District of Georgia. Judicial emergencies exist when filings per judge or panel exceed a certain threshold.

There are currently 137 vacancies in the federal courts.

President Trump Making America Great Again

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#1501511 --- 07/14/17 12:56 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
“Thank you to President Trump for keeping your campaign promise and continuing to pick excellent nominees, including those who were voted on today,” said Carrie Severino chief counsel of the conservative Judicial Crisis Network.
That is the one and only promise he has kept.

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#1501550 --- 07/14/17 10:33 PM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
“Thank you to President Trump for keeping your campaign promise and continuing to pick excellent nominees, including those who were voted on today,” said Carrie Severino chief counsel of the conservative Judicial Crisis Network.
That is the one and only promise he has kept.
That's a lie Kyle but don't expect anything else from you! He is moving the the illegals out.making NATO pay their fair share and standing up to countries that have taken advantage of us for years!

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#1501608 --- 07/16/17 06:11 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: gassy one]
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EXCELLENT ARTICLE! BUT IT IS A SHAME WHERE WE ARE SURELY HEADED.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...s-a-home-215380

The scandal with no name took an accelerating turn this week as the New York Times uncoiled three stunning stories about a June 9, 2016, meeting in Trump Tower where Donald Trump’s president’s kin and campaign brain trust conferred with a Russian emissary and her entourage. The naming convention for political scandals insists that we incorporate a place name into it—Watergate, Teapot Dome, Whitewater, Chappaquiddick, My Lai, Abu Ghraib, Iran Contra, et al. In observance of this rule, the disquieting meeting in which a Russian offered dirt on Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and then-campaign director Paul Manafort in the Manhattan skyscraper suggests “Trump Kowtower” as the carnival’s best appellation.

Starting this week, President Donald Trump and crew can no longer complain that there is no “there” to the scandal, or that it’s a media hoax, or that it’s a “witch hunt,” or that Hillary Clinton did far worse, or that the Democratic Party is using it as an excuse to discredit the president’s November victory. Now and forever, with no ambiguity, Baby Donald owns all 58 floors of this scandal—every penthouse, elevator, closet, and garbage chute. Just as the Watergate scandal didn’t start at the Watergate complex—Nixon’s plumbers burgled the office of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist almost a year before their most memorable caper—Trump Kowtower didn’t start on the 25th floor of 725 5th Ave. Trump had been toiling in the Russian field for decades for an opportunity like this, smothering Vladimir Putin with flattery while looking for hand- and toe-holds and a route to its summits of power and money. American pundits might have thought the Trump candidacy would be a sham, but Russians officials were chatting about a Trump candidacy as early as 2015, CBS News reports, citing intelligence intercepts. Trump and his associates have ingratiated themselves with both the Russian government and its oligarchs in a non-stop fashion. This meeting looks like a payoff for those efforts.

The email chain Junior tweeted this week that scheduled the Trump Kowtower meeting fuses Junior, Kushner, and Manafort firmly to the Russian bosom that Trump has coveted. No matter what additional spume of lies the Trump team pours into the news cycle, no matter how they and the president mock the idea of Russian interference in the election (a “nothing burger,” Reince Priebus called it), the investigation has trundled to a place beyond the president’s power to redirect. All the arm-waving, shouting, and tweeting in the world can’t erase the fact that Trump’s fish bit hard on the traitorous bait offered by music publicist Rob Goldstone in his introductory emails: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump.” And yet the president attempts that exact erasure, approving one of the most poisonous mendacities of this week: As the New York Times reported, he signed off on Junior’s original—and disingenuous—statement that sought to downplay the meeting to an innocent discussion about Russian adoption. Trump then had the moxie to praise his son’s meeting obfuscations as transparency! At a presser with French President Emmanuel Macron, Trump said that accepting such information was “very standard”!

If Junior figures as the Russian patsy in this operation, too much of a campaign rookie to know what he was getting into, then what does that make Jared Kushner? Its true mark? Nobody has worked longer or closer with Trump in the two years since he announced his candidacy. By virtue of his marriage to Trump’s favorite child, Kushner is almost as much family as Junior. Maybe more. As father to the presidential grandchildren, Kushner’s bond to Trump grows tighter. Like his father-in-law, he speaks fluent real estatese. Like a good son he happily takes the subordinate position. If the Russians sought to tilt the election in Trump’s favor, they couldn’t have sculpted a better co-conspirator from clay than Kushner.

Kushner’s troubles deepen by the moment, and he knows it. In a self-serving gesture this week, he advocated for a stronger defense of Junior inside the White House, writes Politico’s Tara Palmeri. Kushner has systematically decieved authorities about the extent of his contacts with foreigners by filing spotty SF-86 forms for his security clearance. First, Kushner neglected to mention the Trump Kowtower meeting, then avoided listing his can-I-get-a-backchannel to Russia talk with the Russian ambassador, and finally skipped recording his dealings with Sergey N. Gorkov, a Vladimir Putin ally and chairman of a Russian state bank. Kushner’s preternatural coziness with Russians and his furtiveness about encounters with them cloaks him in the Russian tricolor, not the stars and stripes, and poses the question of who he thinks he’s serving.

Shafer’s law of political scandals dictates that the greater number of participants in a scandal, the greater the likelihood that the thing will crumple under its own weight and collapse on its creators. The week brought several new characters into the Trump Kowtower saga, perhaps enough to test its load-bearing walls as journalists and government investigators fully examine their backgrounds and connections to Russia. The shadiest character in the president’s Russian orbit, émigré and one-time jail-bird Felix Sater, worked with Trump on the idea of building Trump towers all over the world. Where will the queries about Natalia Veselnitskaya lead? She’s the Russian government attorney who came to the Trump Tower meeting fanning a plastic folder containing printouts of what she said documented the flow of illegal money to the Democrats. Then there’s former Russian military intelligence officer and current lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin, who accompanied Veselnitskaya to the meeting, and who has waxed loquaciously about it. He recalls Veselnitskaya telling Junior, Kushner, and Manafort, “This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money.”

And don’t forget the instigator of the meeting, Emin Agalarov, and his father, Putin-aligned Russian oligarch Aras Agalarov, with whom the Trump family has partnered and grown intimate over recent years. Agalarov senior makes a cameo in the Steele Dossier, the opposition research document that gave the Trump Kowtower scandal its first bump back in January when it was published in BuzzFeed. Just added to the cast is Russian translator Anatoli Samochornov, who attended the meeting in the tower and had previously worked with Veselnitskaya. Manafort is Russia-ed up, too, having taken millions representing the country’s interests in the United States and Ukraine. Former national security adviser Michael Flynn practically bleeds borscht. And the president? He all but ate out of Putin’s hand last week at the G-20 meeting.

Trump has long sought to build a Moscow tower. Turns out that while nobody was looking, the Russians built their own here.

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Unless you can beat “Trump Kowtower,” it will be this column’s name for the scandal. The last honorable mentions I collected from readers include “Combover Coup” (Tim Sierra), “MarLagAlian vs. Vladator” (Richard Ferrans), “PTSD” (President Trump Stress Disorder) (Richard Ferrans), “Crime and Trumpishment” (Richard Ferrans), “Combover Shakedown” (Richard Kasbeer), “Absolut (im)Peach” (Deb Reich), “Mar-il-Legal” (Deb Reich), “The Master and Donarita” (Carl Varady), “From Russia with Lavrov” (Carl Varady), “Crimea River” (Carl Varady), “The Flynn Flam Man” (Carl Varady), “Fools Russian in” (Carl Varady), “The Nutty Confessor” (Mark and Pat Bloom), “Lavrov’s Dog” (Jon Crum), “Clueless in Collusion” (Scott Hurley), and “Word Salad, Russian Dressing” (David Garfinkel). Continue to send your bitter and twisted comments to Shafer.Politico@gmail.com. My email alerts tilt to Russia, my Twitter feed to China, and my RSS feed longs for Albania Classic.


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#1501609 --- 07/16/17 08:03 AM Re: The Trump effect continues! MORE WINNING! [Re: kyle585]
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A better perspective

Analysis: If We Really Want to Get to the Bottom of the Russia Matter, Trump Isn't the Only Story
Guy Benson

Before you start calling me a Trump apologist on Russia, read this post and this one. I emphatically am not, much to the chagrin of some our our readers. The Trump administration has a metastasizing credibility problem that deepens every time their public account shifts, or a previously-unknown detail (which many people assume was intentionally concealed) comes to light. Figures at the highest levels of Team Trump, led by the candidate's son, willfully met with a foreign national whom they believed to be in possession with damaging intelligence on their opponent. Donald Trump, Jr., and possibly the others, entered the encounter under the belief that the woman across the table was an agent of the Russian government, acting on behalf of the Kremlin to assist the Trump campaign. And then he denied that any such meeting had ever taken place, only confessing otherwise when the media caught wind of it and went public. Those are facts, and they're not good.

Nevertheless, there are other elements to this story -- and the wider controversy -- that ought to be explored, even if Democrats aren't as eager to talk about them. If we are genuinely concerned about learning all the facts about foreign interference in our elections, we can't exclusively focus on the (ample) parts of the story that reflect poorly on Donald Trump and his associates. For instance, what were the motivations of the female lawyer who was central to that infamous June meeting? Why did the Obama administration grant her access to the country, even though her expired visa extension was rejected? I'm not suggesting that high-level Obama officials conspired to let her in as part of some plot (it very well could have been a bureaucratic decision made much farther down the chain). But asking why and how she was in the US, where she linked up with a former Soviet counterintelligence officer and dual US citizen, are questions worth asking. Was she working at the behest of the Russian government, perhaps to make initial overtures and take the room's temperature for potential future collusion?

And not to get overly conspiratorial, might she have been a key player in some sort of set-up designed to entrap senior Trump officials in some way -- and if so, who was behind it? That possibility may not be as far-fetched as it might sound. (Note: Even if it was a trap, Trump Jr took the bait of his own volition). On this point, what should we make of her known connection to Fusion GPS, a Democratic opposition research firm responsible for commissioning the notorious and dubious anti-Trump dossier primarily compiled by a former British spy? Here's Erick Erickson:

Prevezon [a Russian company hit by US sanctions despised by Putin] hired Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer who subsequently met with Donald Trump, Jr. Prevezon also hired Rinat Akhmetshin, described by Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) as a former Soviet counterintelligence officer who specialized in disinformation and propaganda campaigns. Akhmetshin also retained Veselnitskaya as lawyer for a third party group that claims to be a Human Rights group. Prevezon and Akhmetshin also worked with a Democrat opposition research group called Fusion GPS...According to Senator Grassley, who wants Fusion GPS’s executives to testify to Congress, “Fusion GPS was apparently simultaneously working on the unsubstantiated dossier alleging collusion between Trump presidential campaign associates and Russia” while also working with Prevezon to overturn the Magnitsky Act. Suddenly it seems more than a coincidence that Prevezon’s lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, has a meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. at the time Fusion GPS is putting together a dossier claiming the Trump campaign had been meeting with Russians.
And Josh Rogin in the Washington Post:

This week’s revelations about Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer have shined a new spotlight on a small Washington opposition research firm that worked with her on a legal case for years and then subsequently commissioned a dossier full of salacious allegations of the Russian government’s attempts to collude with the Trump presidential campaign. The firm, Fusion GPS, will be one subject of a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing next week that was planned well before the story broke of Trump Jr.’s June 2016 meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Fusion GPS says it had no involvement in the meeting although it did work on a lawsuit that involved Veselnitskaya for more than two years. The firm’s work on the Trump dossier was on a different timeline.
The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the Democratic oppo group, has declined the Senate's invitation to testify under oath next week. Perhaps it's time for a subpoena to make his appearance compulsory, not voluntary. Let me stress that there's no smoking gun here at all, and we should proceed with caution -- which has been my advice throughout this entire imbroglio. But we cannot simply assume that there's 'nothing to see here' regarding the known fact that the woman in that Trump Jr meeting has established ties to the Democratic organization that commissioned the anti-Trump, Russia-related dossier. That seems...odd to me. If there's any credible evidence linking Democrats to the Russians, or an effort to ensnare Trump's campaign in a compromising position vis-a-vis Russia, that should be fodder for the special counsel investigation. I trust Robert Mueller is on it.

Two 'on the other hand' counter-points: First, if the Democrats successfully goaded senior Trump officials into doing shady things with the Russians in order to use it against Trump in the campaign (Hillary called him Putin's "puppet" in a nationally-televised debate), why didn't they leak the meeting, or the email chain, before the election? In other words, if this was a Democratic set-up, as Erickson tentatively concludes, why didn't they pull the proverbial trigger? Second, unlike the timing of this "coincidence," which I don't find especially compelling, this one raises my eyebrows. Allahpundit's analysis of it is solid, running through the various scenarios, including my (and this former CIA officer's) theory that Ms. Veselnitskaya was a Moscow cut-out priming the pump for possible collusion by gauging the Trump campaign's interest in accepting anti-Hillary information.

Last point: As I mentioned Thursday night, while I'm appalled by the notion of American campaigns coordinating with foreign governments or entities to win a domestic election, Democrats who are horrified by the escalating allegations against Trump can't just pretend that their own history of similar or related conduct doesn't exist. One such example was from the 2016 election, and the nexus of a DNC operative and the Ukrainians, whose joint opposition research on Trump was "occasionally shared with officials from the DNC and Clinton's campaign." The Daily Beast has published a "debunker story," confidently dismissing this pro-Trump talking point as "BS." They call the argument "shockingly weak," relying on "deliberate misrepresentation, wishful thinking, and bizarre false-equivalence." Their primary evidence? Uh, the word of Democrats:

An early paragraph in the story itself specifically states that Ukrainian efforts “were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.” Still, Trump’s team and his fervent supporters are now seizing upon the old report to try to paint the Ukrainian effort as the bigger bogeyman than Russian election meddling...“[The] DNC consultant WAS NOT repping DNC in mtgs w/ [Ukraine] officials, while DJT, Jr. WAS repping Dad’s campaign in mtg w/ [Russia]-linked” attorney, Vogel tweeted on Wednesday in response to the White House using his past reporting...One DNC official anonymously told the news outlet that the committee did not use her research or her findings. An early paragraph in the story itself specifically states that Ukrainian efforts “were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.” Still, Trump’s team and his fervent supporters are now seizing upon the old report to try to paint the Ukrainian effort as the bigger bogeyman than Russian election meddling.
I'm sorry, but this is not even close to an airtight rebuttal. Just because the DNC consultant claims she wasn't officially representing the DNC with the Ukrainians doesn't make it true, nor does it make it relevant. The Ukrainian government (whose interests are obviously more aligned with America's than Russia's) was knowingly partnering with a DNC researcher, who passed along their joint work to the DNC and the Clinton camp. An anonymous denial that the Democrats never used any of it is laughably thin. Some of Trump's defenders are surely overplaying their hands by trying to draw a full equivalency here -- which doesn't add up -- but I'm not. I don't see the Ukraine situation as the "bigger bogeyman." I do see it as a documented example of the Democrats working with a foreign government to politically wound their opponent, which we are told ought to be totally verboten. I don't disagree with that conclusion, but I do see inconsistency on the Democrats' part, and the Daily Beast column explaining it away isn't persuasive.
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Putin has to be blackmailing Trump on something big time.

http://thehill.com/homenews/318086-retir...nt-ever-said-by

Former Gen. Barry McCaffrey on Monday said President Donald Trump’s recent comments about Russian President Vladimir Putin may be “the most anti-American statement” ever made by a commander-in-chief.

“I’m actually incredulous that the president would make a statement like that,” McCaffrey told MSNBC.

“One could argue that’s the most anti-American statement ever made by the president of the United States. To confuse American values with Putin, who is running a criminal oligarchy.”

Trump in an interview pushed back when Fox News host Bill O’Reilly said Putin is “a killer.”

“There are a lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers. What, you think our country is so innocent?" Trump said.

McCaffrey told MSNBC that the president's comments shed light on “an astonishing state of affairs,” adding that “it’s hard to know what to think about it.”

Putin "kills people abroad and at home," he said, also touching on the imprisonment of journalists, seizures of business property and invasions of Crimea and eastern Ukraine.

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