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#1496983 --- 03/24/17 08:20 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: genevaparent]
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Originally Posted By: genevaparent
I drove out back of Trinity today and there is a surprising amount of parking. Looks to be around 50 to 70 spots with room to create more.


thinking waaaaaaaaaay outside the box

considering the severe parking problems in that area

the church could charge for parking in their lot when the spaces are not needed for their gatherings
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#1496984 --- 03/24/17 08:35 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: genevaparent]
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Originally Posted By: genevaparent
There are other businesses in the area. A B&B is across the street and the historical society is nearby too. There is another B&B a few doors down.


it appears that the neighbors have grown comfortable with the decline in the church membership because less traffic and more parking on the street for them

they should have known that eventually the church would be put into a situation where it could not cover its operating costs

now that the parking and traffic may return to the state when the church had full membership the neighbors have resistance about any project that will increase the traffic and parking to previous conditions

they may reject the current project but they should be aware that another project may come forward that could be worse in regards to parking and traffic concerns
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#1497015 --- 03/25/17 02:23 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: bluezone]
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the zone board may review this project again
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#1497153 --- 03/30/17 09:44 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: bluezone]
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it appears that all zoning members have to vote in favor of the project to allow it to move forward
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#1498170 --- 04/28/17 07:23 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: bluezone]
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the developer could develop the old lehigh train station at the north end of sherrill street for a smaller version of the project they are proposing for the church

a few adjacent properties near the train station could be acquired for parking or other options
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#1499309 --- 05/26/17 11:27 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: pingu]
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It's refreshing to see the Geneva Zoning Board is listening to reason on this issue to find compromise. It's disheartening that the group of people against the project have hired outside counsel to represent them in moving against the church. My hope is that compromise is found, the tax base expanded, and the building maintained as it is the only flying buttress in the city!

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#1503718 --- 08/20/17 05:04 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: pingu]
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Does anyone know what the latest is on Trinity church. There was quite a tempest for a short while. The two sides were noisily at play with each other and then, now, quiet! Anyone know what's going on? Are the two sides busy plotting and strategizing for a fall offensive perhaps? Or what?

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#1503806 --- 08/21/17 10:18 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: ruby2]
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I believe the neighborhood group has filed a lawsuit over the actions of the planning board.

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#1504349 --- 09/01/17 10:08 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: pingu]
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Zoning not planning

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#1511668 --- 12/30/17 02:43 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: justacitizen]
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an individual part of the development team described that only 35% of the homes on south main street are single family

the rest are multi family, frat houses or some form of commercial

those in protest are saying that the proposal would alter the neighborhood

the exterior of the church would not change

there is plenty of parking in the parking lot of the church
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#1511714 --- 01/01/18 05:48 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: pingu]
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There is at most parking for 60 cars, but the promoter is saying there could be events with over 200 in attendance. And the Colleges have emphatically denied offering any access to their parking, despite what the promoter claimed at on elf the meetings.

A conversion to apartments seems like a better fit.

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#1511721 --- 01/01/18 08:46 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
There is at most parking for 60 cars,


purchase two homes adjacent to the (trinity) parking lot on pulteny street

tear them down and make more parking

HWS did that with their new performance center and there is still not enough parking for that building

HWS tore down many homes and a business just for the performance center and still there is not enough parking for largeer events

when there are large golfing events in rochester people charge $1-$5 to allow parking in their driveway/yard

when there is a larger event at trinity the overflow can park in neighboring driveways with permission

if the parking is expanded at trinity then HWS could use the extra parking for when they have larger events at the performance center - charge $1 to park in the trinity parking lot if space is available

set up a shuttle for parking downtown for the larger events at trinity

Originally Posted By: Tacitus
but the promoter is saying there could be events with over 200 in attendance. And the Colleges have emphatically denied offering any access to their parking


if there are 200 in attendance that does not mean there will be 200 cars to be parked

there could be 2,3,4,5 people per car

some people may walk to the location if they live in the area of geneva for some events

HWS has their football stadium / sport center and there are only about 40 parking spots for both of those

where do all the people park when HWS has a football game?

at wegmans, at the plaza, at the businesses across the street, along all the streets within a mile of the football stadium on side streets - creating a serious hazard if emergency vehicles need to go down any of those narrow streets

should HWS build a much larger parking area for when they have football, lacrosse, soccer games and there is a larger spillage of parked cars on city streets?

HWS has overwhelmed south main street with the student parking and large amounts of people crossing a highly traveled street

will HWS build a larger parking area to accomadate with the serious parking situation on south main street and lower the amount of people crossing the street?

HWS has a very large open field to put a parking lot in to move the parking off south main and that will also keep people from crossing south main to get to their cars
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#1511747 --- 01/01/18 03:02 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
A conversion to apartments seems like a better fit.


about how may apartments would be able to fit in the building?
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#1511909 --- 01/04/18 01:37 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
A conversion to apartments seems like a better fit.


option 1

move forward with this project
it will generate property taxes, water fees, sewer fees, sales taxes, jobs...


option 2

HWS buys it
takes it off the tax rolls
turns it into a frat house
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#1511924 --- 01/04/18 06:14 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: pingu]
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Something needs to happen with the property that brings it onto the city's tax roll. Costs to live in this city have done nothing, but increase. It's not that people don't want to live here, they simply can't, it's too damn expensive! I'd have to agree that Camera has driven out the middle class because of an increase in cost. I can't just blame him, city council is also to blame. You can't just increase costs on things in order to generate more income for the city, it's not that simple. I've been a city resident all my life and a home owner for nearly 8 years. When is the misallocation of funds going to stop? City council needs to take a look at where this money is being spent. Wake up. I'm all for old historic neighborhoods and it can stay that way, but times change and this city needs to get with it.
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#1511938 --- 01/05/18 04:00 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: rock 963]
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Do you have specific proposals for the best allocation of said funds?
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#1511969 --- 01/05/18 03:52 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: pingu]
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I'm having some trouble understanding exactly what the neighborhood opponents are arguing with regard to the proposed project "charging the neighborhood."

Although the building may not presently operate "24-7", the is a gathering venue with a lot of activity. Things may have slowed since its heyday, but nevertheless. It is currently occupied by a church, and the building has hosted and continues to host a wide array of events, including large religious services, community meetings, public events, art classes, craft shows, AA meetings, etc. How would the proposed changes dramatically alter the neighborhood?

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#1511970 --- 01/05/18 04:01 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Do you have specific proposals for the ?


do you have any specific proposal for the trinity church situation?

this thread has been active for 9 months and still no solution from you...
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#1511972 --- 01/05/18 04:07 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: FLaker]
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Originally Posted By: FLaker
It is currently occupied by a church, and the building has hosted and continues to host a wide array of events, including large religious services, community meetings, public events, art classes, craft shows, AA meetings, etc.


also large weddings

the neighbors had no concerns for any of those large gatherings

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#1511975 --- 01/05/18 04:49 PM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Do you have specific proposals for the ?

do you have any specific proposal for the trinity church situation?

this thread has been active for 9 months and still no solution from you...

I'M not the one making the argument, now AM I???

Those criticizing, however, SHOULD offer some viable solutions. Otherwise, it's merely armchair carping.
crazy
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