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#1510040 --- 11/28/17 06:19 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
crazy Chuck, you're right this guy just talks in circles. The same old garbage over and over, round and round, like a broken record.




What cracks me up is that you don't see the irony. Nothing better to do?
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#1510047 --- 11/28/17 07:55 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
crazy Chuck, you're right this guy just talks in circles. The same old garbage over and over, round and round, like a broken record.


What cracks me up is that you don't see the irony. Nothing better to do?
and it's quite obvious that you don't see that you're making yourself and your cause look very ignorant.


Edited by scwoodchuck (11/28/17 07:56 PM)
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#1510080 --- 11/29/17 04:29 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: gassy one]
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How so? Do you need to be explained what that word means? Just because you don't understand the science doesn't make it ignorant.
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#1510364 --- 12/05/17 09:46 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: Wolf King]
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Skeptical residents pack Fire Hall

More than 200 residents pack Romulus Fire Hall for meeting on proposed incinerator
Published: 12/04/2017 @ 08:43 pm
Residents couldn’t voice their opposition to the multi-million dollar waste-to-energy proposal before the Romulus Town Planning Board on Monday, but that didn’t stop them from flocking to the session to make a statement.

Circular EnerG LLC, is proposing a $365 million incinerator that will turn municipal solid waste into energy. The proposed facility would sit on 48-acres of the former Seneca Army Depot, which is currently owned by Seneca Depot LLC.

The developers are affiliated with Top Circle Capital, which has an office in Rochester.

Planning Board Chairman Tom Bouchard began the session by reminding the over 200 in attendance that it was for presentation purposes only. “This massive plan will require close scrutiny. Concerns have been raised about the size and scope of the project,” Bouchard explained. “That’s why the Planning Board has invited CircularEmerG to this meeting.”

“Tonight will not be for public comment,” added Bouchard during his introduction of the meeting. That comment drew laughter from parts of the crowd.

Circular EnerG will need to obtain approval from the planning board before acquiring a special-use permit. The Zoning Board of Appeals could potentially be involved in the process, but their involvement would depend on how the Planning Board proceeds, according to officials with the Town of Romulus.

As with any business involving municipal solid waste, the topic has proven controversial and complex. A number of state and federal permits would be required, in addition to any approvals handed out by the Town’s Planning Board, or Zoning Board of Appeals.

Opposition has been vocal to the proposed facility. Two other controversial issues have meant a mobilized resistance to proposals like this one. The proposed LPG storage facility beneath Seneca Lake near Watkins Glen, as well as the Seneca Meadows Landfill located in Seneca Falls.

Among opponents of the facility is the Finger Lakes Wine Business Coalition. In a statement to the media, the coalition, which has more than 130 members said “It is our duty to strongly oppose the proposed construction and operation of a waste incinerator facility under consideration by the Romulus Town and Planning Boards.”

Among concerns voiced by the group, a 260-foot smoke stack, 445,000 gallons of water withdrawn from Seneca Lake and the more than 100 trucks per day entering the facility.

“The Finger Lakes Region is building a brand rooted in world-class wines, world-class agriculture, and world-class agritourism – not garbage and waste management,” the statement continued.

Alan Knauf, the attorney representing Circular EnerG disagreed with the environmental concerns. “This would be great for the environment and would serve as a major boon to the local economy,” he explained.

The SEQR process will begin at the next meeting, and the Planning Board said that they would like to move to become lead agency in the process moving forward. According to the engineers at the information session, as well as Circular EnerG’s legal representation — experts have already begun the process of ensuring that there will be no environmental impact.

Among those benefits, Knauf explained that incineration avoids the methane emission from landfills, avoids emissions from fossil fuel combustion, as well as those from metal production. The process also means no fracking, mining, or drilling, which is part of the overall environmental benefit, according to the engineers behind the proposal.

While there were a few outbursts of questions to the presenters, the meeting was largely kept under control by Bouchard, who said that there will be time for public comment, questions, and follow-up. He said the Planning Board would be moving forward to find environmental legal counsel.

“We’re committed to vetting this project fully. We’re committed to keeping the public informed, listening to those involved and trusting the process,” Bouchard added.

Mike Palumbo, who owns Seneca Depot LLC, and the land where the facility would sit said this could do a lot for undeveloped property at the Depot. Palumbo said that he remains hopeful that residents will listen, be attentive and honest throughout the process.

The Planning Board will meet against next month, which will likely draw another crowd, as they begin the daunting process of wading through this controversial proposal.
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#1510365 --- 12/05/17 10:05 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: all seeing eye]
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Waste to Energy Project in Romulus Draws Massive Crowd

December 4, 2017

ROMULUS, NY (WENY) -- More than 200 people packed the fire hall in the Town of Romulus Monday to hear a presentation surrounding a controversial waste-to-energy plant proposal to be built on the former Seneca Army Depot site.

Representatives from the company Circle EnerG presented project details during Monday's Romulus Planning Board meeting.

The $365 million plan proposes to transport trash via rail and truck to the plant, which would be build on about 48 acres of land inside the former Seneca Army Depot site.

"It will take garbage, which right now is generally sent to landfill where it rots to methane, which is 25 times worse than carbon dioxide for global warming, it will convert it to energy," says Alan Knauf, an attorney for Circular EnerG.

Specifically, that energy would create electricity. The controversy surrounding the proposal is focused on the environment.

"Yea there's nothing green about this. They're burning garbage. They're calling it waste-to-energy - what they're really doing is burning garbage to generate steam, to turn turbines to make electricity. This is the dirtiest way you can..it's also the most expensive way you can make electricity. It doesn't make any sense. All it really is is a way to get rid of other people's garbage," says Joseph Campbell, President of Seneca Lake Guardian and Gas Free Seneca.

"If people are opposed to waste energy, then that means they're in favor of land-filling because that's what's happening now and that's what's going to happen. In Europe, across the world people realize, this is the wave of the future. We want to get the maximum benefit out of the garbage," Knauf says.

Monday's meeting was simply for a presentation. Planning Board Chairman Tom Bouchard says they plan to take their time reviewing the entire material and keep it as open as possible.

The Planning Board has already declared itself as the lead agency for the environmental review process.

"We also are requesting the Town of Romulus Planning Board to hire an environmental engineering firm to assist us in the environmental review process, as well as requesting the town to hire an environmental attorney," Bouchard explains.

Bouchard also says those costs would fall on the applicant for a project of this scale. Circle EnerG submitted a special-use permit application to the town on November 6th.

The next step is for the Planning Board to be officially selected as the designated lead agency for the environmental review.

Bouchard says there will be plenty of opportunities for formal public comment in the future, as this process continues.
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#1510374 --- 12/06/17 06:17 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: all seeing eye]
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This project is going to happen, maybe not here in Seneca County, but there are some very smart people out there who will jump on this opportunity. Ontario County and Wayne County are probably watching this very closely and one of them will take this incinerator in a heartbeat. Then it will be just another missed opportunity by Seneca County.
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#1510389 --- 12/06/17 11:41 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
This project is going to happen, maybe not here in Seneca County, but there are some very smart people out there who will jump on this opportunity. Ontario County and Wayne County are probably watching this very closely and one of them will take this incinerator in a heartbeat. Then it will be just another missed opportunity by Seneca County.




An "opportunity" that SHOULD be missed. Not all opportunities are beneficial to the host communities. It's beneficial only the this company "EnerG"'s shareholders and executives. 85 jobs? That's nothing. An insult. The Finger Lakes is pulling stakes on the business of making foreign shareholders rich at the expense of the people who live here.
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#1510432 --- 12/06/17 07:25 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: scwoodchuck]
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That is terrific news. It is what we are hoping for.

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
This project is going to happen, maybe not here in Seneca County, but there are some very smart people out there who will jump on this opportunity. Ontario County and Wayne County are probably watching this very closely and one of them will take this incinerator in a heartbeat. Then it will be just another missed opportunity by Seneca County.
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#1510440 --- 12/07/17 07:38 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: gassy one]
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Yes we need to bring jobs and host agreements to this county. Lots of landfills, incinerators, nuclear waste dumps. Heavy Metal landfills. Why bother with stuffy old tourism, and industry. ;o)
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#1510453 --- 12/07/17 09:28 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: Kells]
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Originally Posted By: Kells
I was on the Thruway last night, driving from Syracuse to Rochester, and I could smell the landfill all the way over next to del Lago. Why is it so stinky lately?

Lately? Like in the last 20 years lately? Lol.

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#1510454 --- 12/07/17 09:32 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
RIGHT, and it's the reason all the other casinos aren't doing very well either crazy http://www.newyorkupstate.com/casinos/20..._forecasts.html

Just because they didn't meet projections doesn't mean they 'aren't doing very well.'

The new casinos are bringing in millions.

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#1510455 --- 12/07/17 09:33 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Kells
I was on the Thruway last night, driving from Syracuse to Rochester, and I could smell the landfill all the way over next to del Lago. Why is it so stinky lately?

Lately? Like in the last 20 years lately? Lol.


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#1510461 --- 12/07/17 04:25 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: all seeing eye]
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Just got word that the entire application has been posted on the Town of Romulus website:

http://www.romulustown.com/pdfs/discussions/20171207115656~Final_Full_Permit_and_Assessment_for_Circular_enerG_Facility.pdf

http://www.romulustown.com/pdfs/discussions/20171207063636~Full_Environmental_Assessment_Form.pdf

http://www.romulustown.com/pdfs/discussions/20171116130108~Special_Use_Permit_Circular_enerG,_LLC.pdf

They are searchable files.
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#1510531 --- 12/08/17 09:11 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: all seeing eye]
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Actually, the more I study trash incineration, this project should not go ANYWHERE:

Why Waste to Energy Plants are Problematic

Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
That is terrific news. It is what we are hoping for.

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
This project is going to happen, maybe not here in Seneca County, but there are some very smart people out there who will jump on this opportunity. Ontario County and Wayne County are probably watching this very closely and one of them will take this incinerator in a heartbeat. Then it will be just another missed opportunity by Seneca County.
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#1510533 --- 12/08/17 10:53 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: all seeing eye]
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All you need to do is look at the one in Syracuse. If this were such a great thing, the city would want to remain in control of this 'gold mine.'

Instead, they were talking about shutting it down because it is under utilized. Why build another one if you have one an hour away that isn't taking in enough trash.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2...id_trash_b.html

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#1510534 --- 12/08/17 11:03 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: all seeing eye]
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Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Actually, the more I study trash incineration, this project should not go ANYWHERE:

Why Waste to Energy Plants are Problematic

Great article.

I'm not sure if Romulus is just going through the legal motions but this would and should be an easy and instant no.

There's no reason to make Seneca County the trash capital of the northeast. Well, more then it is already anyways.

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#1510538 --- 12/09/17 05:29 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
All you need to do is look at the one in Syracuse. If this were such a great thing, the city would want to remain in control of this 'gold mine.'

Instead, they were talking about shutting it down because it is under utilized. Why build another one if you have one an hour away that isn't taking in enough trash.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2...id_trash_b.html
Ever heard of flow control ? They don't take out of county trash because of people like you. If they did take outside trash they would make a profit. But you haters of capitalism don't want anyone to make profits. That Michael Shank guy in your link needs to take a chemistry class, CO2, Co and NO are not toxic !


Edited by scwoodchuck (12/09/17 05:36 AM)
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#1510544 --- 12/09/17 11:11 AM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
All you need to do is look at the one in Syracuse. If this were such a great thing, the city would want to remain in control of this 'gold mine.'

Instead, they were talking about shutting it down because it is under utilized. Why build another one if you have one an hour away that isn't taking in enough trash.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2...id_trash_b.html
Ever heard of flow control ? They don't take out of county trash because of people like you. If they did take outside trash they would make a profit. But you haters of capitalism don't want anyone to make profits. That Michael Shank guy in your link needs to take a chemistry class, CO2, Co and NO are not toxic !




Profit for whom? No one sees any of that dump profit besides Waste Connections. What have they done for you? Are you a shareholder? Do you really believe your $9.00 paper picker job has shown you the "profits" of that company? The people of the area have no responsibility to earn a profit for an out-of-nation private company. That's on them. Stop crusading for their profit margins.
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#1510576 --- 12/09/17 09:09 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: Wolf King]
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How much do grape pickers make ? Farmers and wineries make a profit and winery owners are from elsewhere. Does your boss make a profit ?
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#1510579 --- 12/09/17 09:15 PM Re: alternative to landfilling [Re: gassy one]
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I am my boss, for one. Also, if you don't see the difference between grape-growers and an out-of-state mega landfill, you're hopeless.
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