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#1510938 --- 12/15/17 01:38 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Alright [Alt-Right]. Back to square one.

In order to make this right. Everyone with a European descent needs to move back to where their filthy roots came from.

NOT back to square one... YOUR words, not mine.

Also, an utterly false choice. Quit moving the goal post and putting words in the mouths of others.
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#1510950 --- 12/15/17 03:28 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
My out-of-town chief has been been mopping up your messes for too long. Paying for that is the real waste of money.





I am not in any way associated with the CIN. I am 100% European descent, friendo. Keep that hate coming.


Wow. I'm impressed.

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#1510953 --- 12/15/17 03:42 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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I don't like to use the word hate. But I strongly dislike any American citizens who think they are super citizens who can create tiny sovereign nations curved out of the USA and pay less taxes than the rest of us American citizens.
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#1510956 --- 12/15/17 03:50 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
To argue semantic BS over Reservation/Tribal status simply ignores white man's replete history of violating treaty and law. And in light of that history, to accuse N.A.s of being greedy is unspeakably obscene and despicable.[/size]
Oh, do you mean the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua with the Iroquois Confederacy which, according to their own laws was not legal because the Mohawks didnít show up? Or in that treaty which allows free passage across their lands and then charges the state for a right of way for the thruway? Or in that treaty which recognizes ALL prior State treaties as legal. Or in the prior State treaties ruled valid by Judge McCurn as legal because the State was the sovereign and had not joined the Union yet? Or in those prior State treaties where the Cayuga ceded ALL their land to the State? Or are you referring to the treaty with the British where the tribe ceded ALL their land in exchange for protection? No, that doesnít fit your racist agenda because it was the tribes which broke all those treaties.
As it was ruled years ago in the Seneca land Claim for Grand Island, they sold it to the British and when the colonists won the Revolutionary War the colonists won the land from the British, not the tribe.
Better do some more Googling so you can argue the land claim over again, which they lost.

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#1510961 --- 12/15/17 04:23 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
To argue semantic BS over Reservation/Tribal status simply ignores white man's replete history of violating treaty and law. And in light of that history, to accuse N.A.s of being greedy is unspeakably obscene and despicable.[/size]
Oh, do you mean the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua with the Iroquois Confederacy which, according to their own laws was not legal because the Mohawks didnít show up? Or in that treaty which allows free passage across their lands and then charges the state for a right of way for the thruway? Or in that treaty which recognizes ALL prior State treaties as legal. Or in the prior State treaties ruled valid by Judge McCurn as legal because the State was the sovereign and had not joined the Union yet? Or in those prior State treaties where the Cayuga ceded ALL their land to the State? Or are you referring to the treaty with the British where the tribe ceded ALL their land in exchange for protection? No, that doesnít fit your racist agenda because it was the tribes which broke all those treaties.
As it was ruled years ago in the Seneca land Claim for Grand Island, they sold it to the British and when the colonists won the Revolutionary War the colonists won the land from the British, not the tribe.
Better do some more Googling so you can argue the land claim over again, which they lost.

All points rendered moot without qualification by white man's incontrovertible genocide of well over 200,000,000 million innocent natives of the continent. I don't argue land claims since they were virtually all established by whites using deception, force or both.

But sure, go ahead and try to paint ME as the racist.

"Colonist".
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#1510962 --- 12/15/17 04:32 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
I don't like to use the word hate. But I strongly dislike any American citizens who think they are super citizens who can create tiny sovereign nations curved out of the USA and pay less taxes than the rest of us American citizens.

I don't like to use the word idiot, but the only super citizens in this discussion are those who commit genocide upon weak, unsuspecting natives, strip them of their land, then carve out tiny parcels and force them to live on them in squalor, all in the service of white, Eurocentric greed and cruelty.
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#1510965 --- 12/15/17 04:34 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
My out-of-town chief has been been mopping up your messes for too long. Paying for that is the real waste of money.

I am not in any way associated with the CIN. I am 100% European descent, friendo. Keep that hate coming.

Wow. I'm impressed.

Yeah, well we're not.
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#1510968 --- 12/15/17 04:41 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
I am not against making good on promises made.

And yet... crazy
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#1510987 --- 12/15/17 09:47 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Timbo]
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The only thing moot are your delusions and exaggerations and the only genocide done was between tribes.

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#1510988 --- 12/15/17 10:02 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
I am not against making good on promises made.

And yet... crazy


Typical. Try listening and having dialogue. Or keep doing it your way. A handful reap the benefits and most live in poverty.

Like I mentioned, I reached out. This is a typical response. I no longer care.

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#1510999 --- 12/16/17 12:05 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
n by white man's incontrovertible genocide of well over 200,000,000 million innocent natives of the continent.



rather a large number

or did you make that up?

and how many people live on the entire planet as of today?
much less than 200,000,000 million?
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#1511000 --- 12/16/17 12:18 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
It's none of my business

they sided with the british and lost

do you forget what you type after you type it?
Quote:
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Cayuga land claims

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
You are your OWN self-fullfilling prophecy. You have no one to blame but yourself.

What a pity.

Originally Posted By: Timbo
CHEROKEES and CREEKS (among others TRIBES) in the southern interior and most Iroquois nations in the northern interior provided crucial support to the British war effort. With remarkably few exceptions, Native American support for the British was close to universal.[/quote[quote=Timbo]
The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British and was instrumental in leading combined Indian, British, and Loyalist forces on punishing raids in western New York and Pennsylvania in 1778 and 1779.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As a Wea Indian complained about the failed military alliance with the British, "In endeavoring to assist you it seems we have wrought our own ruin."
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Relying on support from SPANISH COLONISTS in New Orleans as well as assistance from the British at FORT DETROIT, varied native groups continued to resist Anglo-American incursions late into the 19th century.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Most fought with the British, but all lost in the Peace which followed. The Preliminary Articles of Peace of 1782 did not mention the Native Americans at all. Brant was outraged that the British were selling out the tribes.The British failed to set aside areas which were promised by Treaties they had made with the tribes.
Originally Posted By: secure white guy
No Empire lasts forever
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Evolve or die

Originally Posted By: Timbo
it's irrelevant what the courts decide.

Still scraping the tundra for scraps of relevancy, I see...

That a girl! Never let your handicap get in the way of your psychosis.
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what do you fail to comprehend?

you stated they sided with the british and LOST

ring up the queen with your concerns
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#1511011 --- 12/16/17 02:16 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
n by white man's incontrovertible genocide of well over 200,000,000 million innocent natives of the continent.

rather a large number

or did you make that up?

and how many people live on the entire planet as of today?
much less than 200,000,000 million?

Yes, it's not completely unheard of for me to make the occasional typo. It's also not uncommon for you to be a troll.

At least we've established that the most credible estimates put the number at over 200 MILLION Indigenous Natives Murdered by European Invaders.

Better?
crazy
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#1511012 --- 12/16/17 02:29 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
they sided with the british and lost

Only an idiot wouldn't fight the most pressing threats first.

That could explain your confusion on the subject.
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#1511013 --- 12/16/17 02:39 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
I am not against making good on promises made.

And yet... crazy


Typical. Try listening and having dialogue. Or keep doing it your way. A handful reap the benefits and most live in poverty.

Like I mentioned, I reached out. This is a typical response. I no longer care.

Oh, no... you don't get away that easy. You speak out of one side of your mouth about 'making good on promises' while at the same time, assail those who've had treaty upon compact upon agreement violated, ignored or outright had the terms changed without negotiation, out of the other side of your mouth.

Walk the talk or ditch the sanctimony, Pal. You haven't cared from the beginning or else you wouldn't be such a hypocrite about the issue.
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#1511014 --- 12/16/17 03:06 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Timbo]
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Not quite. You might want to look back at postings on this thread and see who is saying what. You are mistaken. I'm insulting how you act. That I am guilty of and proud of my guilt.

I tried to be friends. I contacted a guy named Halftown. Ever heard of him?

You can accuse me of not caring. You don't want friendship? Fine by me. Live in poverty while your elite few profit from your tax free business. Make fun of our free capitalistic society. Not caring here...

Maybe we will just build our own casino. It's good to be an American.

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#1511015 --- 12/16/17 03:12 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
You guys chose to be separate from us. Lets hope it stays that way. Now that time has passed and we have seen you in action, well, we aren't missing out on much.

Seriously, call your little militia when you are having your drunken puke festivals.




There is no "you guys" here. I am 100% European descent. The Cayugas, and the American Indians as a whole did not choose anything. Their lands were invaded. Their ancestral lands they had been living on for thousands of years. Can you blame them? If someone invaded your house and started living there would you want to spend time with them? Of course you would "choose to be separate" from the invaders.

They can call their militia for their drunken puke festivals just like you can call yours for your heroin and opiate OD festivals.


Love this one too. 100% European descent? Then why is it "yours" when you refer to "our" police? You gotta watch the grammer stuff.

It's simple. The heroin addicts are located in a tax paying home or apartment when we mop them up. "Your" problems aren't supported by tax dollars when "Ours" mop up your stoned drunken messes.

European? That might make you one of the cheap chics chasing the boys at Dewey's late at night. But in the meantime, if you were one of us, you wouldn't have referred to our police as belonging to us and not you. You are CIN and your fake act stinks.

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#1511016 --- 12/16/17 04:40 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Not quite. You might want to look back at postings on this thread and see who is saying what. You are mistaken. I'm insulting how you act. That I am guilty of and proud of my guilt.

I tried to be friends. I contacted a guy named Halftown. Ever heard of him?

You can accuse me of not caring. You don't want friendship? Fine by me. Live in poverty while your elite few profit from your tax free business. Make fun of our free capitalistic society. Not caring here...

Maybe we will just build our own casino. It's good to be an American.

I'm not interested in making new friends. I'm interested in presenting the facts... wherever they lead.

NAs never asked for capitalism, and capitalism ALWAYS comes at a cost. I also never mentioned capitalism. Rather, I pointed out the hundreds of years of brutal colonial expansion, the greatest genocide inflicted in the history of the planet and the continuing persecution of the native peoples of the continent. The fact that you're an unflinching apologist for these atrocities only highlights the inherent nature of such abuses.

Furthermore, you couldn't more off-base in your assumptions about me, if you tried. And I certainly don't "act" like a self-serving, academically illiterate hypocrite.

Sincere apologies for mistakenly attributing ONE of H.A.S.A.'s comments to you, but at least you've mustered the courage to stand by your own like-minded convictions (however similarly uncaring they may be). I'll try to be more thorough in the future, if you'll try to wrap your head around the concept of cause-and-effect, as it relates to Native American affairs.
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#1511017 --- 12/16/17 05:34 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
You guys chose to be separate from us. Lets hope it stays that way. Now that time has passed and we have seen you in action, well, we aren't missing out on much.

Seriously, call your little militia when you are having your drunken puke festivals.
There is no "you guys" here. I am 100% European descent. The Cayugas, and the American Indians as a whole did not choose anything. Their lands were invaded. Their ancestral lands they had been living on for thousands of years. Can you blame them? If someone invaded your house and started living there would you want to spend time with them? Of course you would "choose to be separate" from the invaders.

They can call their militia for their drunken puke festivals just like you can call yours for your heroin and opiate OD festivals.
Love this one too. 100% European descent? Then why is it "yours" when you refer to "our" police? You gotta watch the grammer stuff.

It's simple. The heroin addicts are located in a tax paying home or apartment when we mop them up. "Your" problems aren't supported by tax dollars when "Ours" mop up your stoned drunken messes.

European? That might make you one of the cheap chics chasing the boys at Dewey's late at night. But in the meantime, if you were one of us, you wouldn't have referred to our police as belonging to us and not you. You are CIN and your fake act stinks.

Pardon me for saying, but you seem to posess an amphetamine-like hyper attenuated focus on race when race is mostly irrelevant to the current discussion.

Do you need a hug? frown
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#1511025 --- 12/16/17 09:23 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Timbo]
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Enjoy your tax free sale of cigarettes. It's a habit that has been losing popularity and your best customers are killing themselves off. Not sure how that has a color to it. If it makes your little mind feel better than so be it.

Try using your lame effort to call my comments racist all you want. I tried to make friends and you acted like jerks. Spade is a Spade.

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