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#1543813 --- 03/13/20 12:47 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: SilverFox]
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You can bet your sweet tush that if there was gold or oil on the land it would be taken into trust in a heart beat.
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#1544251 --- 03/19/20 12:39 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot

In the case of the Cayuga the scenario was ideal and SCOTUS accepted the case and the Cayuga were still claiming sovereign immunity. In my opinion there was basically no way we could have lost. The lower courts had to rule the way they did due to precedent set by SCOTUS and SCOTUS could change that. But Phil Spellane, attorney for Harris Beach, missed the deadline to file the brief for the counties. Literally billions of dollars and tribal immunity itself was at stake.
How an attorney could miss a deadline to file a brief to the U.S. Supreme Court really doesn’t take much imagination. His “excuse” was that he wrote the wrong date on his calendar. I personally think otherwise but proving it would be more difficult than proving that Mike Nozzolio was always in favor of settlement.
Should the counties initiate proceedings against any property since purchased by the tribe it would be a new case and they could appeal direct to SCOTUS from the district court to save time and money. But the counties would likely have to foot the bill.


The county could contact others that are financially affected and have them help with the costs

The county paid for all the work that Harris Beach did. The county should request that Harris Beach hand over all documents relating to the SCOTUS case

and have Harris beach pay the bill to bring it in front of SCOTUS

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#1544353 --- 03/20/20 03:29 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: newsman38]
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Hi, Rick - it been a long time since I have been on the forum! Still stand strong with my convictions! Fight Like Hell!

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#1544371 --- 03/20/20 06:10 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
The county could contact others that are financially affected and have them help with the costs

the SCOTUS case and have Harris beach pay the bill to bring it in front of SCOTUS


Gee, I thought that the State paid for it. Maybe you should tell the newspaper they got it wrong.
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#1547942 --- 05/11/20 06:39 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Officials: Cayuga Nation owes $6M in taxes in Seneca County, over $254K for properties along Rt. 89 that remain partly demolished
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#1548129 --- 05/14/20 07:16 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: bluezone]
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Lawyers for Cayuga Nation respond to refusal of building permits in Seneca County
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#1548318 --- 05/16/20 11:14 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: bluezone
The county could contact others that are financially affected and have them help with the costs

the SCOTUS case and have Harris beach pay the bill to bring it in front of SCOTUS


Gee, I thought that the State paid for it.


Taxpayers paid for it
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#1552705 --- 07/21/20 07:51 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: bluezone]
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Lawyers for Cayuga Nation respond to refusal of building permits in Seneca County


They should read the sherrill ruling
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#1552798 --- 07/21/20 08:47 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: bluezone]
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Here we go again. Clint is still trying to convince everyone that the Cayugas had a Federal reservation.

There is a series of letters at this website
http://thorpe.ou.edu/sol_opinions/p1976-2000.htm
from the Dept. of the Interior. Of particular
interest is the last paragraph of the rather lengthy
letter dated February 3, 1969 that clearly states
that "None of the ten reservations presently located
within the State, including St. Regis, was created
by federal treaty, statute or executive order."

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1986 DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR FEBRUARY 3, 1969

III

With regard to the immediate problem at hand, that
of the protest lodged by the Mohawk Indians of the
St. Regis Reservation, we cannot furnish any
detailed information. The United States has had
minimal contact with the Indians of New York since
it granted both civil and criminal jurisdiction over
Indians on Indian reservations in the State of New
York to the State. The Act of July 2, 1948 (62 Stat.
1224; 25 U.S.C. 232) (criminal jurisdiction); the
Act of September 13, 1950 (64 stat. 845; 25 U.S.C.
233) (civil jurisdiction). None of the ten
reservations presently located within the State,
including St. Regis, was created by federal treaty,
statute or executive order. The State of New York
furnishes virtually all governmental services to New
York Indians.

We stand ready to assist in this matter in any way
possible, and would be pleased to participate in a
meeting with other concerned agencies.

RICHMOND F. ALLAN,
Acting Solicitor.


Sorry, Clint, I don't care how many times you say it you can't make the former Cayuga reservation a Federal reservation. The only reservations that require an act of Congress to disestablish the reservation is a FEDERAL reservation. You can not compare your situation to the recent SCOTUS decision for the Oklahomas. The Oklahomas have Federal Reservation land that has never been disestablished by Congress. There were never any Federal reservations anywhere in NYS.
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#1553176 --- 07/26/20 06:31 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: newsman38]
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Sorry, Clint, I don't care how many times you say it you can't make the former Cayuga reservation a Federal reservation. The only reservations that require an act of Congress to disestablish the reservation is a FEDERAL reservation. You can not compare your situation to the recent SCOTUS decision for the Oklahomas. The Oklahomas have Federal Reservation land that has never been disestablished by Congress. There were never any Federal reservations anywhere in NYS.

Congress could not disenstablish the Cayuga's Reservation because Congress never established one, the State did. And the Cayugas sold the land rights from the reserved land, back to New York State. Thus disenstablishing the State Reservation themselves.

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#1553791 --- Yesterday at 08:36 AM Halftown-DENIED [Re: Code Red]
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Federal government rules against Cayuga Nation land into trust
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#1553793 --- Yesterday at 08:50 AM Re: Halftown-DENIED [Re: bluezone]
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How many millions of dollars are owed from back property, school, county, cigarette, gas... taxes?


Will the county foreclose on all of the properties?
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#1553828 --- Today at 06:03 AM Re: Halftown-DENIED [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
How many millions of dollars are owed from back property, school, county, cigarette, gas... taxes?


Will the county foreclose on all of the properties?


The taxes on cigarettes and gas are owed by the non-Indians who bought them. You pay the use tax with your NYS income tax. Failing to report those tax-free purchases there is not only tax evasion (not paying the taxes), but also making a false filing (lying about it on the tax return). As far as I know there has been no sting operation to round up Seneca county residents who got their gas and smokes at Lakeside.

A roundup like that might make up for the loss of tax revenue from the outlet mall and the casino this year.

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#1553840 --- Today at 07:15 AM Re: Halftown-DENIED [Re: DeReRustica]
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Originally Posted By: DeReRustica
the


And why did halftown apply for trust land?

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