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#1542827 --- 03/02/20 11:26 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: SilverFox]
Timbo Offline
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
You are correct that the Federal government does recognize NYS reservations as stated in Article 2 of the Treaty of Canandaigua.

Article 2. The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga nations, in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them, or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends, residing thereon, and united with them in the free use and enjoyment thereof; but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase.

The rub in Seneca Falls is the land was sold back to NYS legally. Now Halftown came back to Seneca Falls and bought property on the open market in the former reservation area. Which he had a legal right to do. That in no way makes those purchased lands a legal reservation. The only way that would happen is if the land was taken into Trust. To my knowledge that has never happened. [u]The property is not a reservation and property taxes are to be paid on those lands.[u] To my knowledge, Seneca County has never been able to collect those taxes and the courts have given no legal way to take the property for unpaid taxes.

The Sherrill Supreme Court decision would also apply to the Cayugas in Seneca Falls.

Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill

In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.

And yet, it still remains a fact that there is absolutely NO legal mechanism/authority (state or federal) in which to compel or enforce compliance of any taxes levied upon Native groups.

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#1542892 --- 03/03/20 05:45 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: newsman38]
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How about that Bowman guy who had no reason to go on that land, punch a cop, get his butt kicked and then cry foul? LOL!
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#1542910 --- 03/03/20 09:49 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
How about that Bowman guy who had no reason to go on that land, punch a cop, get his butt kicked and then cry foul? LOL!

You mean the fake 'police' that have no authority anywhere?

Every single person wearing a jacket or clothing that says 'POLICE' should be arrested for impersonating a real credentialed police officer.

This obviously causes confusion as people thought the real police destroyed these buildings and kicked out the Indians when this first happened and was reported on various news stations. People were making comments blaming the US government and the white man for getting involved because they saw thugs wearing 'POLICE' jackets.

Quote:
Section 190.26
Criminal impersonation in the first degree
Penal (PEN)
A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when he:

1. Pretends to be a police officer or a federal law enforcement officer as enumerated in section 2.15 of the criminal procedure law, or wears or displays without authority, any uniform, badge or other insignia or facsimile thereof, by which such police officer or federal law enforcement officer is lawfully distinguished or expresses by his or her words or actions that he or she is acting with the approval or authority of any police department or acting as a federal law enforcement officer with the approval of any agency that employs federal law enforcement officers as enumerated in section 2.15 of the criminal procedure law; and

2. So acts with intent to induce another to submit to such pretended official authority or otherwise to act in reliance upon said pretense and in the course of such pretense commits or attempts to commit a felony; or

3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.

Criminal impersonation in the first degree is a class E felony

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#1542926 --- 03/03/20 01:27 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: SilverFox]
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SilverFox: Pay no attention to any reasoning of reiterating the land claim arguments including the Trade and Intercourse Acts. Yes, the feds recognize NYS reservations as stated in Article 2 of the Treaty of Canandaigua. They are recognized as “in their respective treaties” with the State of New York, and called their reservations,
The respective treaties are the 1788 Treaty of Fort Stanwix with the Oneida and the 1789 Treaty of Albany with the Cayuga in which each tribe sold all of their lands to NYS and “of the ceded land” (meaning it then belonged to the state) were allowed use rights to, in the case of the Cayuga, about 100 square miles.
The 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua recognized these treaties. The Trade and Intercourse Acts started in1790 initially were each in effect for two years. It could be argued that when the Cayuga sold their use rights that the applicable TIA in effect had exclusions for areas surrounded by settlements. But arguments such as that (referred to as merits) were never ruled on because the land claim was dismissed based on laches. Latches includes the actions and inactions of all parties and not just the duration of time. Letters requesting the sale were sent to the state; the state and tribe made agreements; the state made payments which were then accepted by the feds who in turn paid the Cayuga and Congress, according to its own records never questioned any of it while it was happening. End of Land Claim.
To circumvent the land claim losses, tribes in turn purchased lands and requested the Feds to confiscate the state sovereign land and put it into trust for the tribe. This was based on the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act. But that only applied to tribes that reorganized under that act with a democratic constitution and bylaws approved by the BIA. None of the New York tribes did so plus in 1934 neither the Cayuga or Oneida were on the federal recognition list, as required.
Consequently, the BIA ruled that Clint Halftown was the leader because the tribal history had a hierarchical leadership.
I don’t make the rules and I didn’t make the decision.
As to collecting taxes the Sherrill decision ruled that the land was taxable. In the case of the NY Oneida the lower courts ruled that even though it was taxable that tribal sovereign immunity prevented an enforcement mechanism from following through. Tribes across the country begged Halbritter not to appeal because sovereign immunity nationwide would be at stake. So when SCOTUS accepted the case the tribe changed law firms and dropped their sovereign immunity to prevent SCOTUS from ruling on it. Not to do so would risk a ruling by SCOTUS negating sovereign immunity throughout the country. While this was playing out the tribe offered Sherrill a settlement with five years of payments (the same as but in lieu of taxes) and Sherrill accepted the settlement rather than spend the money to argue back through the courts because by then they were broke. So they never got a followup ruling because they accepted the settlement.
In the case of the Cayuga the scenario was ideal and SCOTUS accepted the case and the Cayuga were still claiming sovereign immunity. In my opinion there was basically no way we could have lost. The lower courts had to rule the way they did due to precedent set by SCOTUS and SCOTUS could change that. But Phil Spellane, attorney for Harris Beach, missed the deadline to file the brief for the counties. Literally billions of dollars and tribal immunity itself was at stake.
How an attorney could miss a deadline to file a brief to the U.S. Supreme Court really doesn’t take much imagination. His “excuse” was that he wrote the wrong date on his calendar. I personally think otherwise but proving it would be more difficult than proving that Mike Nozzolio was always in favor of settlement.
Should the counties initiate proceedings against any property since purchased by the tribe it would be a new case and they could appeal direct to SCOTUS from the district court to save time and money. But the counties would likely have to foot the bill. Tribes elsewhere throughout the country pay taxes on all fee lands that they own because they don’t want sovereign immunity ruled on.
The property is not a reservation and property taxes are to be paid on those lands. You are correct that Seneca County has never been able to collect those taxes and the courts have given no legal way to take the property for unpaid taxes.
To me it would be more logical to take up another Tax case than argue that the tribe has no jurisdiction on fee land. The cost and time would be less and jurisdiction would be established.
I have empathy for traditional members who have everything to fear because it is fee land owned by the tribe and not the individuals. Halftown has used methods similar to what Halbritter did to those who opposed him.

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#1542952 --- 03/03/20 03:58 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Thanks for the update. You were always the man with all the facts. It is like waving a red flag in front of a bull when people keep arguing that there is a reservation in Seneca Falls. Thanks for clearing up all they have is fee lands. Guess that makes the Dept of the Interior incorrect to rubber-stamp the Cayuga Nation Police Force's authority. No reservation = no legal authority in my opinion. Nice mess we have now. God only knows if or when it will ever be settled legally, let alone fairly.
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#1543100 --- 03/05/20 03:07 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
The law says ONLY CONGRESS can deal with the Indians.


Can a US citizen buy land and claim it to be a seperate nation from the US?



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#1543102 --- 03/05/20 03:17 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: newsman38]
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NO


Edited by Pravda1984 (03/05/20 03:17 PM)

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#1543103 --- 03/05/20 03:24 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
But Phil Spellane, attorney for Harris Beach, missed the deadline to file the brief for the counties. Literally billions of dollars and tribal immunity itself was at stake.
How an attorney could miss a deadline to file a brief to the U.S. Supreme Court really doesn’t take much imagination. His “excuse” was that he wrote the wrong date on his calendar.


When an individual/entity has a fiduciary responsibilty and they SEVERELY violate that said fiduciary responsibilty they are held financially responsible for the losses they created. If they are unable to cover their losses a prison cell would most likely be their new living quarters.
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#1543107 --- 03/05/20 04:14 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
The law says ONLY CONGRESS can deal with the Indians.


Can a US citizen buy land and claim it to be a seperate nation from the US?


Originally Posted By: Pravda1984
NO


Has halftown renounced his US citizenship?

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#1543541 --- 03/09/20 07:12 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: bluezone]
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Quote:

Because the IRA unambiguously forecloses the BIA's
interpretation of 25 U.S.C. § 5129, the Secretary lacked authority to take land into trust for the benefit of the Tribe. We affirm the judgment of the district court.
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#1543578 --- 03/10/20 11:57 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:

Because the IRA unambiguously forecloses the BIA's
interpretation of 25 U.S.C. § 5129, the Secretary lacked authority to take land into trust for the benefit of the Tribe. We affirm the judgment of the district court.

Looks like a lack of legal authority is widespread, in very much the same way as the abject lack of moral authority.

Funny that we find ourselves concerned with 'fairness' only as it applies to those of European descent.

History repeating itself.
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#1543587 --- 03/10/20 01:50 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
You were always the man with all the facts.

When he's not passing off his opinions, conjectures and revisionist recollections of history as "facts", that is.
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#1543632 --- 03/11/20 11:20 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: Timbo]
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Timbo do you know Mr. Tallcot? I know Mr. Tallcot, Dave Dresser and Mr. Scott Peterman. These men have studied the history of NYS Indian issues, Historical documents, Indian Treaties, and Federal and State laws regarding Native Americans. When they post something they have the facts to back it up.
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#1543666 --- 03/11/20 06:19 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: SilverFox]
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All one can do is consider the source and think for themselves.

Treaty of Albany
February 25, 1789

A contract executed between the sachems, chiefs and warriors of the tribe or Nation of Indians, called the Cayugas, at a TREATY held in the city of Albany with George Clinton, Pierre Van Courtland, Ezro L’Hommedieu, Abraham Ten Broeck, John Hatham, Samuel Jones, Peter Ganesvoort. Jun. and Egbert Benson, commissioners on behalf of the State of New York, by which the said sachems, chiefs and warriors of the Cayuga covenanted, on the 25th of February 1789, as follows:

“First: the Cayugas do cede and grant ALL their lands to the people of the State of New York , forever.”

Secondly: the Cayugas shall, OF THE CEDED LANDS, hold to themselves, and to their posterity, forever, for their own use and cultivation, but not to be sold, leased, or in any other manner alienated, or disposed of, to others, all that tract of land, beginning at the Cayuga salt spring on the Seneka Rive, and running thence southerly to intersect the middle of a line to be drawn from the outlet of Cayuga to the outlet of Waskongh, and from the said place of intersection, southerly, the general course of the eastern bank of the Cayuga lake, thence westerly, to intersect a line running on the west side of the Cayuga lake, at the mean distance of three miles from the western bank thereof, and from the said point of intersection, along the said line, so running on the west side of Cayuga lake, to the Seneka river, thence down the said river to the Cayuga lake, thence through the said lake, to the outlet thereof, and thence further down the Seneka river to the source of beginning, so as to comprehend within the limits aforesaid, and exclusive of the water of Cayuga lake, the quantity of one hundred square miles. Also the place in the Seneka river, at or near the place called Skayes, where the Cayuga have heretofore taken eel; and a competent piece of land on the southern side of the river, at the said place, sufficient for the Cayugas to land and encamp on, and to cure their eel. Excepted, nevertheless, out of the said land so reserved, one mile square at the Cayuga Ferry.

Thirdly: the Cayugas and their posterity, forever, shall enjoy the free rights of hunting in every part of the said CEDED lands, and of fishing in all the waters within the same.

Fourthly: in consideration of the said cession and grant, the people of the State of New York do, at this present TREATY, pay to the Cayugas, five hundred dollars, in silver, and the people of the State of New York shall pay to the Cayugas, on the first day of June next, at Fort Schuyler (formerly known as Fort Stanwix,) the further sum of one thousand six hundred and twenty five dollars, and, also the people of the State of New York shall annually pay to the Cayugas and their posterity, forever, on this first day of June and every year thereafter, at Fort Schuyler aforesaid, five hundred dollars in silver. But if the Cayugas or their posterity, shall at any time hereafter, elect that the whole, or any part of the said annual payment of five hundred dollars, shall be paid in clothing, or provisions, and give six weeks previous notice thereof to the governor of the State for the time being, then so much of the annual payment shall, for that time, be in clothing or provisions, as the Cayugas or their posterity shall elect, and at the price which same shall cost the people of the State of New York, at Fort Schuyler aforesaid. And, as a farther consideration to the Cayugas, the people of the State of New York shall grant to their adopted child, Peter Ryckman, whom they have expressed a desire to remain near them, to assist them, and as a benevolence from them, the Cayugas, to him, and in return for services rendered by him to their nation, the said tract of one mile square at the Cayuga ferry excepted, out of the said lands reserved to the Cayugas for their own use and cultivation, that of a tract beginning on the west bank of the Seneka lake, thence running due west (passing one chain north of a house lately erected, and now in occupation of the said Peter Ryckman), to the line partition between the State of New York and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, of the lands ceded to each other, thence due south along said line of partition, thence due east to the Seneka lake, thence northerly along the bank of said lake, to the Place of the beginning, so as to contain sixteen thousand acres. The people of the State of New York shall grant three hundred and twenty acres to a white person married to a daughter of a Cayuga named Thaniowes, including the present settlement of the said person on the south side of Caghsion creek; and that the people of the State of New York shall grant the residue of the said tract of sixteen thousand acres to Peter Ryckman.

Fifthly: The people of the State of New York may, at all times hereafter, in such manner, and by such means, as they shall deem proper, prevent any person, except the Cayugas and their adopted brethren the Paanese, from residing or setting on the lands to be held by the Cayugas and their posterity for their use and cultivation, and if any person shall, without the consent of the people of the State of New York, come to reside or settle on the said lands, so CEDED, as aforesaid, the Cayugas and their posterity shall forthwith give notice of such intrusions to the governor of the said state for the time being, and further, the Cayugas and their posterity, forever, shall, at the request of the governor of the said State, be abiding to the people of the State of New York in removing all such intruders, and apprehending not only such intruders, but feloms and other offenders, who may happen to be on the said ceded lands, to that end, such intruders, felons and other offenders, may be brought to justice.

Notwithstanding the said reservation herein above specified to the Cayugas, it is declared to be the intent of the parties, that the Cayuga called Fish Carrier, shall have a mile square of the reserved lands, for the separate use of himself, and for the separate use of his family, forever. Before sealing and delivery hereof, it was for the greater certainty, declared to be the intent of the parties, that this grant and cession is to be only the lands eastward of the partition line above mentioned, between the State of New York and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts; and that, with respect to such part of their country as it is to the westward of said partition line, the right and property of the Cayugas to be the same as if this grant and cession had not been made. The Cayuga salt spring and the land to the extent of one mile around the same, to remain for the commin use and benefit of the people of the State of New York, and the Cayugas and their posterity forever. And the land to be reserved at the fishing place near Skayes, shall be the extent of one mile on each side of the river, the above reservation of land on the southern side of the river, only, notwithstanding.

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#1543718 --- 03/12/20 02:36 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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http://fingerlakes1.com/2020/03/12/union...ls-audio-video/

The video in this article just proves how much the lawyers for Halfwit lie.

They wrote a letter stating that the fake wannabe cops had no guns. The video clearly shows that was a lie. Plus, the goofball wannabe CIN cops have been watching too much TV. They tried busting in there like some SWAT team. More like the official Goof Troop coming through!

It's amazing these indian groups claim that the white man has harmed them so much and then who does Halfwit hire to protect him to beat down his own blood, white males. The irony! Unreal! What a crap show this has escalated into.

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#1543738 --- 03/12/20 05:23 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
http://fingerlakes1.com/2020/03/12/union...ls-audio-video/

The video in this article just proves how much the lawyers for Halfwit lie.

They wrote a letter stating that the fake wannabe cops had no guns. The video clearly shows that was a lie. Plus, the goofball wannabe CIN cops have been watching too much TV. They tried busting in there like some SWAT team. More like the official Goof Troop coming through!

It's amazing these indian groups claim that the white man has harmed them so much and then who does Halfwit hire to protect him to beat down his own blood, white males. The irony! Unreal! What a crap show this has escalated into.
I am pretty sure the CIN cops are all retired NY State troopers.
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#1543761 --- 03/12/20 09:54 PM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
All one can do is consider the source and think for themselves.

Treaty of Albany
February 25, 1789

A contract executed between the sachems, chiefs and warriors of the tribe or Nation of Indians, called the Cayugas, at a TREATY held in the city of Albany with George Clinton, Pierre Van Courtland, Ezro L’Hommedieu, Abraham Ten Broeck, John Hatham, Samuel Jones, Peter Ganesvoort. Jun. and Egbert Benson, commissioners on behalf of the State of New York, by which the said sachems, chiefs and warriors of the Cayuga covenanted, on the 25th of February 1789, as follows:

“First: the Cayugas do cede and grant ALL their lands to the people of the State of New York , forever.”

Secondly: the Cayugas shall, OF THE CEDED LANDS, hold to themselves, and to their posterity, forever, for their own use and cultivation, but not to be sold, leased, or in any other manner alienated, or disposed of, to others, all that tract of land, beginning at the Cayuga salt spring on the Seneka Rive, and running thence southerly to intersect the middle of a line to be drawn from the outlet of Cayuga to the outlet of Waskongh, and from the said place of intersection, southerly, the general course of the eastern bank of the Cayuga lake, thence westerly, to intersect a line running on the west side of the Cayuga lake, at the mean distance of three miles from the western bank thereof, and from the said point of intersection, along the said line, so running on the west side of Cayuga lake, to the Seneka river, thence down the said river to the Cayuga lake, thence through the said lake, to the outlet thereof, and thence further down the Seneka river to the source of beginning, so as to comprehend within the limits aforesaid, and exclusive of the water of Cayuga lake, the quantity of one hundred square miles. Also the place in the Seneka river, at or near the place called Skayes, where the Cayuga have heretofore taken eel; and a competent piece of land on the southern side of the river, at the said place, sufficient for the Cayugas to land and encamp on, and to cure their eel. Excepted, nevertheless, out of the said land so reserved, one mile square at the Cayuga Ferry.

Thirdly: the Cayugas and their posterity, forever, shall enjoy the free rights of hunting in every part of the said CEDED lands, and of fishing in all the waters within the same.

Fourthly: in consideration of the said cession and grant, the people of the State of New York do, at this present TREATY, pay to the Cayugas, five hundred dollars, in silver, and the people of the State of New York shall pay to the Cayugas, on the first day of June next, at Fort Schuyler (formerly known as Fort Stanwix,) the further sum of one thousand six hundred and twenty five dollars, and, also the people of the State of New York shall annually pay to the Cayugas and their posterity, forever, on this first day of June and every year thereafter, at Fort Schuyler aforesaid, five hundred dollars in silver. But if the Cayugas or their posterity, shall at any time hereafter, elect that the whole, or any part of the said annual payment of five hundred dollars, shall be paid in clothing, or provisions, and give six weeks previous notice thereof to the governor of the State for the time being, then so much of the annual payment shall, for that time, be in clothing or provisions, as the Cayugas or their posterity shall elect, and at the price which same shall cost the people of the State of New York, at Fort Schuyler aforesaid. And, as a farther consideration to the Cayugas, the people of the State of New York shall grant to their adopted child, Peter Ryckman, whom they have expressed a desire to remain near them, to assist them, and as a benevolence from them, the Cayugas, to him, and in return for services rendered by him to their nation, the said tract of one mile square at the Cayuga ferry excepted, out of the said lands reserved to the Cayugas for their own use and cultivation, that of a tract beginning on the west bank of the Seneka lake, thence running due west (passing one chain north of a house lately erected, and now in occupation of the said Peter Ryckman), to the line partition between the State of New York and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, of the lands ceded to each other, thence due south along said line of partition, thence due east to the Seneka lake, thence northerly along the bank of said lake, to the Place of the beginning, so as to contain sixteen thousand acres. The people of the State of New York shall grant three hundred and twenty acres to a white person married to a daughter of a Cayuga named Thaniowes, including the present settlement of the said person on the south side of Caghsion creek; and that the people of the State of New York shall grant the residue of the said tract of sixteen thousand acres to Peter Ryckman.

Fifthly: The people of the State of New York may, at all times hereafter, in such manner, and by such means, as they shall deem proper, prevent any person, except the Cayugas and their adopted brethren the Paanese, from residing or setting on the lands to be held by the Cayugas and their posterity for their use and cultivation, and if any person shall, without the consent of the people of the State of New York, come to reside or settle on the said lands, so CEDED, as aforesaid, the Cayugas and their posterity shall forthwith give notice of such intrusions to the governor of the said state for the time being, and further, the Cayugas and their posterity, forever, shall, at the request of the governor of the said State, be abiding to the people of the State of New York in removing all such intruders, and apprehending not only such intruders, but feloms and other offenders, who may happen to be on the said ceded lands, to that end, such intruders, felons and other offenders, may be brought to justice.

Notwithstanding the said reservation herein above specified to the Cayugas, it is declared to be the intent of the parties, that the Cayuga called Fish Carrier, shall have a mile square of the reserved lands, for the separate use of himself, and for the separate use of his family, forever. Before sealing and delivery hereof, it was for the greater certainty, declared to be the intent of the parties, that this grant and cession is to be only the lands eastward of the partition line above mentioned, between the State of New York and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts; and that, with respect to such part of their country as it is to the westward of said partition line, the right and property of the Cayugas to be the same as if this grant and cession had not been made. The Cayuga salt spring and the land to the extent of one mile around the same, to remain for the commin use and benefit of the people of the State of New York, and the Cayugas and their posterity forever. And the land to be reserved at the fishing place near Skayes, shall be the extent of one mile on each side of the river, the above reservation of land on the southern side of the river, only, notwithstanding.
It seems that nobody understands what they are reading.
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#1543788 --- 03/13/20 08:26 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
http://fingerlakes1.com/2020/03/12/union...ls-audio-video/

The video in this article just proves how much the lawyers for Halfwit lie.

They wrote a letter stating that the fake wannabe cops had no guns. The video clearly shows that was a lie. Plus, the goofball wannabe CIN cops have been watching too much TV. They tried busting in there like some SWAT team. More like the official Goof Troop coming through!

It's amazing these indian groups claim that the white man has harmed them so much and then who does Halfwit hire to protect him to beat down his own blood, white males. The irony! Unreal! What a crap show this has escalated into.
I am pretty sure the CIN cops are all retired NY State troopers.

'pretty sure'? Sounds like a high level of confidence that your answer is right. *sarcasm*

I'm not sure why any retired law enforcement would work under a thug like Halfwit and help support him with his thug mentality. If it is retired law enforcement, they should have their pensions withheld for supporting this crap.

Halfwit needs to be thrown in prison for the crimes he is committing. He's like a Hitler wannabe. A power hungry fool.

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#1543801 --- 03/13/20 10:07 AM Re: Cayugas demolish properties [Re: Hello_Governer]
Rich_Tallcot Offline
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Registered: 01/19/03
Posts: 5585
Loc: Greeneville, TN

[/quote]It seems that nobody understands what they are reading. [/quote]
The 1788 Treaty of Albany is what the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua recognized.

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#1543802 --- 03/13/20 11:08 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: hearallseeall]
SilverFox Offline
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Registered: 11/19/00
Posts: 6500
Loc: Waterloo
From what I know SC is correct that most of the CIN police are mostly retired troopers and other former law enforcement. However, at this point, all they are are licensed, security guards trained by a man in Newark that teaches the necessary classes required for NYS licensing. Both my son and grandson are licensed security guards. My understanding is a security guard is only supposed to become physical as a last resort and in self-defense.

Again, the BIA and the Department of the Interior have given their blessing to Clint's "police force" to enforce tribal law on "their reservation". What needs to be determined how this "police force" is legal when there is no legal reservation in Seneca Falls. All Clint has is "fee land" bought on the open market that can only become a reservation if the land is taken into "Trust". Which has never happened in almost 40 years that this mess has been going on.
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