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#1509530 --- 11/22/17 02:31 PM Cayugas create private police
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Cayuga Nation creates public safety office

The new federally recognized leadership of the Cayuga Nation has created an office of public safety, though an opposing faction believes the move is not valid.

According to a Cayuga Nation news release, federal representative Clint Halftown and his nation council appointed Arthur Pierce as the new public safety office's first commissioner. It was not clear the exact vision of the new office, but Halftown said Pierce is a former captain with the state police and former superintendent of the Oneida Indian Nation Police Department.

Pierce will recruit and train public safety personnel with "the goal of maintaining the peace on Nation lands," Halftown added.

"As Art successfully accomplished for the Oneida Nation, in addition to recruiting and training experienced and qualified personnel, one of Art's first objectives will be to immediately reach out to local, state and federal law enforcement to establish a relationship with these agencies," Halftown said in the release. "We fully expect that Art's credentials will precede and enable him to establish a rapport with these law enforcement offices in our area."

Halftown and his council were recognized as nation leaders in July by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, a division of the U.S. Department of the Interior. An opposing group made up of Cayuga Nation members is challenging the decision in federal court in Washington D.C.

Sachem Sam George, one of the nation's chiefs opposing Halftown, said the federal government's decision is about monies issued to the nation. Halftown still needs permission from the people to implement something like this, he said.

George's attorney, Joseph Heath, issued a statement to The Citizen Wednesday saying the move was more apt to create division and resentment among the nation rather than bring about stability.

"This is being done in the typical, autocratic style of Mr. Halftown — he has not consulted with or involved the Nation's citizens, or the condoled Chiefs or Clan Mothers," Heath wrote.

Pierce served 20 years with the state police and retired in 1993, according to a release. Soon after he was hired as the first public safety commissioner for the Oneida Nation. There, he created a federally recognized police department and served as its superintendent.

The Cayuga Nation council did not immediately respond to The Citizen's inquiry seeking additional information about Wednesday's announcement.

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#1509540 --- 11/22/17 06:03 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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Sovereign Nation. Baloney.

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#1509745 --- 11/24/17 08:10 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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Unless rulings by the feds get changed in court, Clint is still the recognized federal rep. The same is true with Ray Halbritter, who is not the chief of the NY Oneida.

On the surface to those who weren’t involved with Oneida UCE, hiring a retired state trooper rather than a tribal member tends to put people’s mind at ease. I have nothing against tribal members, but that’s just a fact. A tribal member police officer would be more likely to listen to reason, but a retired police officer released from the frustrations of rules and regulations is not likely to do so.

Other facts are that tribal police officers from federally recognized tribes are federal officers and as federal officers they are excluded from laws such as sexual harassment and stalking. As a former superintendent of the Oneida tribe police one can expect the same results which were experienced there. Using his background as a state police officer he managed to get a MOU (Memorandum Of Understanding) with Oneida County and obtained a compact with the sheriff’s department. With such he obtained access to the state police computer files to scan for records of UCE members and local politicians. Excluded from stalking laws they followed UCE members home from meetings.

In Oneida evidence of drug trafficking was flushed down toilets, prostitution rings would operate at the casino with those giving competition being arrested, Ray’s own relatives with felony convictions were allowed to work at the casino, and minors were allowed to gamble until they won a sizable amount at which time they were evicted.

Yes, there was more but UCE finally managed to get the compact cancelled.

The “goal of maintaining the peace on Nation lands” sounds logical until the question arises as to what are Nation lands.

One of Art’s first objectives using his credentials is to reach out to other law enforcement agencies to establish a relationship. That in itself isn’t a bad thing as long as no compacts are established.
Halftown was recognized as the federal representative because the tribe never accepted the Indian Reorganization Act and drew up a constitution and by-laws to be accepted by the feds. He was just next in line in the hierarchical government which preceded him.

The Oneida also rejected the IRA and also have a chief which has no control over tribal affairs because Congressman Boehlert made a deal with President Clinton to have BIA commissioner Ada Deer appoint Ray Halbritter as the federal rep in exchange for Boehlert making the tie breaking vote to enact NAFTA.

So rather than considering women’s input (Clan Mothers), Ray appointed a Men’s Council” and it appears that his protégé is acting similarly.

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#1510500 --- 12/08/17 09:20 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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People need to stop patronizing these businesses and then the indians won't have the money to keep buying land and taking it off the tax rolls and have money for their own private police.
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#1510520 --- 12/08/17 01:55 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
People need to stop patronizing these businesses and then the indians won't have the money to keep buying land and taking it off the tax rolls and have money for their own private police.
Absolutely

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#1510557 --- 12/09/17 04:51 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: The Mechanic]
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Originally Posted By: The Mechanic
People need to stop patronizing these businesses and then the indians won't have the money to keep buying land and taking it off the tax rolls and have money for their own private police.
It is amazing that the general public does not understand this.

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#1510681 --- 12/11/17 07:07 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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Well isn't this nice. They have a little Indian Nation Mafia. It's even public so now they think they are going legit.

When you guys are drunk, fighting and puking all over each other...our real police will still step in and mop up your mess.

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#1510733 --- 12/12/17 03:44 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Well isn't this nice. They have a little Indian Nation Mafia. It's even public so now they think they are going legit.

When you guys are drunk, fighting and puking all over each other...our real police will still step in and mop up your mess.



"Real police". FYI the CIN police are just as well-trained, if not more so, than the local small town cops in Waterloo and Seneca Falls. Many of them are former police from larger municipalities with much larger budgets and far more extensive training. Just saying.
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#1510747 --- 12/12/17 06:58 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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Didn't mean to ruffle your feather.

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#1510749 --- 12/12/17 07:25 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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It's cool to be a racist. I'm sure you're an all-around winner.
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#1510759 --- 12/13/17 04:32 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Wolf King]
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You guys chose to be separate from us. Lets hope it stays that way. Now that time has passed and we have seen you in action, well, we aren't missing out on much.

Seriously, call your little militia when you are having your drunken puke festivals.

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#1510761 --- 12/13/17 06:01 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Wolf King]
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It's cool to be a racist. I'm sure you're an all-around winner.
Since when is calling a spade a spade being racist ? wink
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#1510762 --- 12/13/17 06:09 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Many of them are former police from larger municipalities with much larger budgets and far more extensive training. Just saying.


We have a pretty large budget in Seneca Falls for police. I would stack it up against any of your "larger municipalities".

Maybe we could shrink our budget if you guys could hold your liquor.

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#1510807 --- 12/13/17 04:59 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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I saw a car today that I am sure was Halftowns. It had a bottom sticker that said "Honor Indian treaties.". grin

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#1510811 --- 12/13/17 07:35 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
You guys chose to be separate from us. Lets hope it stays that way. Now that time has passed and we have seen you in action, well, we aren't missing out on much.

Seriously, call your little militia when you are having your drunken puke festivals.




There is no "you guys" here. I am 100% European descent. The Cayugas, and the American Indians as a whole did not choose anything. Their lands were invaded. Their ancestral lands they had been living on for thousands of years. Can you blame them? If someone invaded your house and started living there would you want to spend time with them? Of course you would "choose to be separate" from the invaders.

They can call their militia for their drunken puke festivals just like you can call yours for your heroin and opiate OD festivals.
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#1510815 --- 12/13/17 07:42 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Many of them are former police from larger municipalities with much larger budgets and far more extensive training. Just saying.


We have a pretty large budget in Seneca Falls for police. I would stack it up against any of your "larger municipalities".

Maybe we could shrink our budget if you guys could hold your liquor.




Or if you didn't pay your out-of-town chief 150k and a brand new car.
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#1510816 --- 12/13/17 07:45 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: newsman38]
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I can GUARANTEE you any of the Cayuga officers have more training, loads more training, than the eighth grade-educated glorified security guards of the SFPD. True story.
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#1510819 --- 12/13/17 08:09 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Wolf King]
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My out-of-town chief has been been mopping up your messes for too long. Paying for that is the real waste of money.

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#1510823 --- 12/13/17 09:32 PM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
You guys chose to be separate from us. Lets hope it stays that way. Now that time has passed and we have seen you in action, well, we aren't missing out on much.

Seriously, call your little militia when you are having your drunken puke festivals.

There is no "you guys" here. I am 100% European descent. The Cayugas, and the American Indians as a whole did not choose anything. Their lands were invaded. Their ancestral lands they had been living on for thousands of years. Can you blame them? If someone invaded your house and started living there would you want to spend time with them? Of course you would "choose to be separate" from the invaders.

They can call their militia for their drunken puke festivals just like you can call yours for your heroin and opiate OD festivals.

I can blame them.

They want the best of both worlds.

They want to exploit their ancestors for that dirty nasty United States of American dollar and then they want to compete on a level that other businesses are forced to comply with NYS and Federal government to the nth degree.

Is it fair to someone who had nothing to do with what happened 200 years ago should follow one set of laws and another business should follow a totally different set of laws. I don't think so.

If they want to have land to pay their respects for their ancestors I can totally respect that. That's not what they want though. They want to open casinos, sell tax free cigs, and tax free gas. Hardly paying any respect to their ancestors. All so that a few can live like kings and the rest of the tribe can live in Dell cardboard houses.

Plus, they are so greedy they are now fighting amongst themselves and then the taxpayer law enforcement officers have to visit and keep the peace.

They use all the resources that taxpayers fund yet they say they are sovereign. Doesn't work that way. I don't care who was here 200 years ago or what happened. We're all on earth here today so get along or don't but they can't expect people to roll over and give into their ridiculous lawsuits and demands.

If they truly want to be sovereign they need to stop taking handouts from the USA aka taxpayers of the United States. If they truly are sovereign, we need to start making people have passports to come back onto United States land when coming off the true reservations (and there isn't one in SF or Union Springs).

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#1510825 --- 12/14/17 03:24 AM Re: Cayugas create private police [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
They want the best of both worlds.

They want to exploit their ancestors for that dirty nasty United States of American dollar and then they want to compete on a level that other businesses are forced to comply with NYS and Federal government to the nth degree.

Is it fair to someone who had nothing to do with what happened 200 years ago should follow one set of laws and another business should follow a totally different set of laws. I don't think so.

If they want to have land to pay their respects for their ancestors I can totally respect that. That's not what they want though. They want to open casinos, sell tax free cigs, and tax free gas. Hardly paying any respect to their ancestors. All so that a few can live like kings and the rest of the tribe can live in Dell cardboard houses.

Plus, they are so greedy they are now fighting amongst themselves and then the taxpayer law enforcement officers have to visit and keep the peace.

They use all the resources that taxpayers fund yet they say they are sovereign. Doesn't work that way. I don't care who was here 200 years ago or what happened. We're all on earth here today so get along or don't but they can't expect people to roll over and give into their ridiculous lawsuits and demands.

If they truly want to be sovereign they need to stop taking handouts from the USA aka taxpayers of the United States. If they truly are sovereign, we need to start making people have passports to come back onto United States land when coming off the true reservations (and there isn't one in SF or Union Springs).

Hey, they didn't make the rules, and now you think you can "un-screw" the Prom Queen.

So, who's really the one here trying to have it both ways?
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