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#1508729 --- 11/11/17 08:38 AM God Bless Our Veterans
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#1508733 --- 11/11/17 08:59 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: ThomasDecker]
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A salute to the men and Women who risked or gave their lives for this country. What's sad is the fact that one idiot in the White House came along and diminish that fact by taking up disparaging remarks toward several surviving family members.

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#1508736 --- 11/11/17 09:03 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
A salute to the men and Women who risked or gave their lives for this country. What's sad is the fact that one idiot in the White House came along and diminish that fact by taking up disparaging remarks toward several surviving family members.


You are that stupid ...God help you.

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#1508738 --- 11/11/17 09:10 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: ThomasDecker]
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This coming from an adult that carries the mentality of a child. Yes as children we thought our parents as crazy but time moves on and one must grow up.....when will you make that move? BTW, see how you submit a post and someone counter? but sadly who derails their own submission by going off topic? Yes I'm laughing!!!!!!!

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#1508743 --- 11/11/17 09:46 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: ThomasDecker]
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The last "idiot" in the WH gutted the military and did little to restore dignity and respect for our wounded/dismembered veterans! I'll take the NEW occupant's efforts over the OLD one !!!!!

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#1508744 --- 11/11/17 09:48 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: wedggie]
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Originally Posted By: wedggie
The last "idiot" in the WH gutted the military and did little to restore dignity and respect for our wounded/dismembered veterans! I'll take the NEW occupant's efforts over the OLD one !!!!!

Agree!

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#1508745 --- 11/11/17 09:53 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
This coming from an adult that carries the mentality of a child. Yes as children we thought our parents as crazy but time moves on and one must grow up.....when will you make that move? BTW, see how you submit a post and someone counter? but sadly who derails their own submission by going off topic? Yes I'm laughing!!!!!!!


Sorry genius, but you brought up the white house, I didn't.

Its got to be hard for you being that stupid that you don't even know what you posted.

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#1508746 --- 11/11/17 09:56 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: ThomasDecker]
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LOL, amazing that you took a break to get your thoughts together and come back with more inaccuracies,please go back and read when we went South. Note the current debate while you foolishly stay off topic.

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#1508747 --- 11/11/17 09:57 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
A salute to the men and Women who risked or gave their lives for this country. What's sad is the fact that one idiot in the White House came along and diminish that fact by taking up disparaging remarks toward several surviving family members.


Now note the next post after this......LMAO

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#1508748 --- 11/11/17 10:00 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Have A Respectful Veterans Day.

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#1508749 --- 11/11/17 10:01 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Thank you.

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#1508751 --- 11/11/17 10:06 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: Formermac]
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#1508752 --- 11/11/17 10:09 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: Formermac]
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#1508753 --- 11/11/17 10:50 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: wedggie]
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Originally Posted By: wedggie
The last "idiot" in the WH gutted the military and did little to restore dignity and respect for our wounded/dismembered veterans! I'll take the NEW occupant's efforts over the OLD one !!!!!

As a Veteran and former Navy weapons system analyst, allow me to point out the wholesale idiocy of those comments:

Make no mistake... Republicans were the ones to reject multiple Obama/Democrat proposed programs that would over the long-run have dramatically improved medical care, pay, benefits and housing for needy/suffering veterans, while providing presisely zero as replacement. Trump's record so far hasn't produced anything but partisan platitudes and empty-handed jingoism.

To suggest (for instance) that during a decade of near financial ruin, that decommissioning dated weapons systems with fewer yet immeasurably more effective modernized systems somehow qualifies as a "gutting" of our arsenals, is abjectly false and intensionally dishonest and misleading. Your comments couldn't be further from the truth. Or are you suggesting that the US Army Cavalry should replace one hundred MRAPS with one thousand horses, just because those who can't think are capable of counting? whistle

If your intention here, is to support our veterans, then start by reporting the actual facts, not some long-debunked false political narratives.



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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fa...litary-spending
https://www.npr.org/2016/04/29/476048024/fact-check-has-president-obama-depleted-the-military
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...ggest_ever.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/fact-check-trump-military.html
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#1508760 --- 11/11/17 11:41 AM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
What's sad is the fact that one idiot in the White House came along and diminish that fact by taking up disparaging remarks toward several surviving family members.
And he also said a man who was a POW for five years was not a war hero. That is totally disgusting.
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#1508762 --- 11/11/17 12:11 PM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: kyle585]
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A lot of cold war veterans must be turning over in their grave over this disgusting situation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/love-thee-romantic-history-trump-154647325.html

How Do I Love Thee? A Romantic History of Trump's Praise for Putin

Newsweek Tom Porter,Newsweek 2 hours 20 minutes ago

Allegations that Russia helped lift President Donald Trump to the White House have cast a shadow over his administration—and Trump’s effusive praise for Russia’s strongman leader Vladimir Putin has done nothing to dispel suspicions of a covert pact.

Trump’s comments after speaking to Putin Saturday provoked a chorus of criticism after the president said he was willing to accept the Russian president’s assurances that the country did not meddle in the 2016 U.S. election.

This is despite U.S. intelligence agencies unanimously declaring that Russia did interfere in the election in a bid to tip the contest in Trump’s favor.

2016

In an interview with Fox Business’ Maria Bartiromo, in February 2016, Trump renewed his defense of Putin.

Discussing the 2006 murder of Alexander Litvinenko , a former Russian spy, and the 2016 findings of a British inquiry that Putin “probably approved” his poisoning, Trump remarked "have they found him guilty? I don't think they've found him guilty.”

“If he did it, fine. But I don’t know that he did it. You know, people are saying they think it was him, it might have been him, it could have been him. But Maria, in all fairness to Putin—I don’t know. You know, and I’m not saying this because he says, ‘Trump is brilliant and leading everybody’ —the fact is that, you know, he hasn’t been convicted of anything.”

However, as Trump came under increasing scrutiny for his warmth towards Russia, he backtracked on his earlier boasts about his relations with Putin.

In the wake of the hacking of thousands of emails from DNC servers in June, Trump said that he had never met Putin and didn ’t know who he was:

“I never met Putin,” Trump said. “I don’t know who Putin is. He said one nice thing about me. He said I'm a genius. I said thank you very much to the newspaper and that was the end of it. I never met Putin.

He also said, "I would treat Vladimir Putin firmly, but there's nothing I can think of that I'd rather do than have Russia friendly, as opposed to the way they are right now, so that we can go and knock out ISIS [the Islamic State group] with other people.”

In the same news conference, Trump called on Russia to find Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails as secretary of state.

In a presidential debate with Clinton that October, he again denied knowing Putin after his rival accused him of being a Russian stooge.

Trump said at presidential debate: “I don’t know Putin. I think it would be great if we got along with Russia because we could fight ISIS together, as an example. But I don’t know Putin.”

At the third presidential debate, Trump denied Clinton’s charge he was Putin’s “puppet”, saying “No puppet. You’re the puppet.”

He further denied having met Putin and said that Putin had “outsmarted” Clinton and Obama.

After Trump’s election, he continued to speak warmly of Putin, praising a “very nice and correct” Christmas card the Russian leader sent him, and even re-tweeting a quote by Putin taunting the losing Clinton campaign.

“Vladimir Putin said today about Hillary and Dems : "In my opinion, it is humiliating. One must be able to lose with dignity." So true!" he tweeted in December.

2017

Intelligence agencies reveal their verdict that Russia was behind the Democratic National Committee (DNC) hack, President Trump concedes Russia’s involvement—a claim he has since backtracked on.

"I think it was Russia," Trump said in a press briefing in Trump Tower, New York, in January, adding that Putin "should not be doing it.”

“He won't be doing it. Russia will have much greater respect for our country when I am leading it than when other people have led it,” Trump said.

After his inauguration, as multiple probes investigated allegations the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia, Trump continued to speak about the prospect of better relations with Russia.

After meeting face-to-face for the first time at the G20 summit in Hamburg, Germany, in July, Trump said he pressed Putin about allegations of election meddling, and received a denial.

The following month he expressed gratitude rather than condemnation when Russia decided to cut hundreds if personnel from the U.S. embassy in Moscow, in a move condemned by critics as an attempt at Cold War style intimidation.

“I want to thank him because we’re trying to cut down on payroll, and as far as I’m concerned, I’m very thankful that he let go of a large number of people, because now we have a smaller payroll,” Mr. Trump told reporters at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. “There’s no real reason for them to go back. So I greatly appreciate the fact that we’ve been able to cut our payroll of the United States. We’ll save a lot of money.”


2013

Trump’s first remark on Putin dates back to 2013, when Trump hosted the Miss Universe in Moscow.

“Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?” tweeted the then reality star.

Trump’s time in Moscow has become the subject of intense scrutiny, after a dossier on Trump compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele contained allegations that Trump had cavorted with prostitutes in a Moscow hotel room – and Russian intelligence had recorded the encounter.

Trump went on that year to claim that he had met the Russian president, and boasted of their relationship.

“I do have a relationship and I can tell you that he’s very interested in what we’re doing here today,” he said on MSNBC of the Miss Universe pageant in November, 2013. “He’s probably very interested in what you and I are saying today, and I’m sure he’s going to be seeing it in some form, but I do have a relationship with him and I think it’s very interesting to see what’s happened.”

2014

Trump renewed his praise for Putin as he mulled a bid for the presidency.

“When I went to Russia with the Miss Universe pageant, [Putin] contacted me and was so nice. I mean, the Russian people were so fantastic to us,” he said on Fox and Friends in February. “I’ll just say this, they are doing – they’re outsmarting us at many turns, as we all understand. I mean, their leaders are, whether you call them smarter or more cunning or whatever, but they’re outsmarting us. If you look at Syria or other places, they’re outsmarting us.”

Trump taunted Obama that year for being made to look weak by Russia in a March interview with NBC.

"And we have to show some strength. I mean, Putin has eaten Obama's lunch, therefore our lunch, for a long period of time," he said. "And I just hope that Obama, who's not looking too good, doesn't do something very foolish and very stupid to show his manhood. I just hope that doesn't happen."

That April, Trump backed Russia's disputed claim of widespread support for its annexation of Crimea that month.

Trump said at a New Hampshire event that Putin is “absolutely having a great time.” He says “Russia is like, I mean they’re really hot stuff” and “and now you have people in the Ukraine — who knows, set up or not — but it can’t all be set up, I mean they’re marching in favor of joining Russia.”

That December, he warned of the effects of the Obama administrations sanctions regime against Russia.

He told Fox News that Putin is “wounded” and that “wounded people and wounded animals can do lots of strange things and we’d better be a little bit careful.”

Russia's President Vladimir Putin talks to U.S. President Donald Trump during their bilateral meeting at the G20 summit in Hamburg. Carlos Barria/Reuters

2015

After Trump announced his bid for the Republican presidential nomination in June 2015, he boasted of his Moscow contacts as evidence of his ability to broker deals with Russia.

“I think I get along with him fine,” Trump said of the Russian president in an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper in July, and said if he became president Russia would hand over NSA whistle blower Edward Snowden.

“I think he would be absolutely fine. He would never keep somebody like Snowden in Russia. He hates Obama. He doesn't respect Obama. Obama doesn't like him either. But he has no respect for Obama. Has a hatred for Obama. And Snowden is living the life. Look if that—if I'm president, Putin says, hey, boom, you're gone. I guarantee you this.”

On the campaign trail, he went on to repeat his praise for Putin. That November, Trump had defended Putin from accusations he authorised the assassination of journalists and dissidents.

“He’s running his country and at least he’s a leader, unlike what we have in this country,” Trump said in an interview on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.

He added: "I think our country does plenty of killing also, Joe, so you know. There's a lot of stupidity going on in the world right now, a lot of killing going on, a lot of stupidity."

And as Trump's campaign gained momentum, he was rewarded with praise from the Russian president. Putin described Trump as “outstanding and talented” at an event in Moscow in December.
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#1508764 --- 11/11/17 02:20 PM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/opinions/trump-absolves-putin-in-asia-zelizer/index.html

Trump absolves Putin and shoots himself in the foot

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By Julian Zelizer, CNN Political Analyst

Updated 1:55 PM ET, Sat November 11, 20

On Saturday, the President delivered his first moment of shock and awe with his Achilles' heel on foreign policy: Russia. In an act of defiance, he said he believed President Vladimir Putin's claim that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 US election despite all the evidence to the contrary, including from US intelligence agencies. He seems more worried that Putin is "insulted" by the accusations than he is by the impact these operations had on our democratic processes. The shocking comments about Putin are likely to drown out everything else that has happened so far.

The statement is a head-turner. It is part of the ongoing puzzle from this administration: What explains Trump's insistence on taking a relatively positive stance toward the Russian government despite the overwhelming evidence we have of an ongoing cyberwar against democratic elections and a terrible record on human rights.

There was no need for Trump to make this statement right now, and because it comes in the middle of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation it will only fuel more questions about why the relationship with Putin seems so important to him.
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#1508765 --- 11/11/17 02:22 PM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/11/trump-russia-putin-people-will-die-244801?lo=ap_a1

DANANG, Vietnam — President Donald Trump stayed on script for more than a week as he crisscrossed through Asia — and then Russian President Vladimir Putin showed up.

After chatting with Putin on the sidelines of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit here, Trump abandoned the diplomatic tone the White House had carefully scripted for his five-country tour, once again contradicting the overwhelming consensus among current and former U.S. officials that the Russian leader manipulated the 2016 election.

"The worst part of this is not that Trump takes Putin's word over the evidence based analysis of his own intelligence agencies. It is not even that he plays the role of a useful idiot as he kowtows to Putin yet again. The worst part, by far, is that a hostile power is engaged in an ongoing attack on America's political system and Trump is deliberately stripping the nation's defenses bare and leaving us exposed to future assaults. It is unilateral disarmament plain and simple,” said Thomas Wright, Director of the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution and an expert in national security. "We have never seen this type of weakness in a U.S. president before."

Mike Morrell, former deputy director and acting director of the CIA, described the president's remarks as "a setback to the relationship between the IC and its president."

"I would never trust Putin’s word over the considered, high-confidence judgment of the Intelligence Community. Putin is a trained liar and manipulator. He’s comes across as believable because he is so good at deception. And, the President is biting hook, line, and sinker," he said. "Much progress had been made in that relationship since the early days, but this will most definitely will be a step backward."
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#1508766 --- 11/11/17 02:28 PM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-h...in-says-n819916

DANANG, Vietnam — President Donald Trump hinted Saturday that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin when he denies that Moscow meddled in the 2016 election. He also dismissed the assessment of U.S. intelligence chiefs that the Kremlin was responsible as a politically motivated "hit job" damaging his ability to work with foreign leaders on matters of life and death.
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#1508767 --- 11/11/17 02:30 PM Re: God Bless Our Veterans [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-s...g-idUSKBN1DB04N

“The President fools no one. He understands that the Russians intervened through the hacking and dumping of his opponent’s emails, the fruits of which he exploited time and again on the campaign trail,” Adam Schiff said in a statement.

“He understands all this and more. He just doesn’t understand how to put country over self. Or to put it in terms he is more familiar with - Mr. Trump simply can’t bring himself to put America first,” the Democrat said.
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