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#1508274 --- 11/06/17 01:14 PM GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system!
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Did GPD Lt. John Cataline live in the city and score just as high as Jeff Trickler on that particular Chief’s test? Why did he not get hired, he fit all criteria correct?
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#1508319 --- 11/07/17 12:20 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Trickler is a thief if he took that money and didn't relocate. What does Albany have to say about this and council?

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#1508325 --- 11/07/17 06:47 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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What are the residency requirements? It is not too uncommon for people to fulfill such requirements by maintaining sham apartments in jurisdictions that require residency.

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#1508408 --- 11/07/17 07:45 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Where is Tantillo in all this?

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#1508933 --- 11/14/17 08:17 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Tantillo is up Tricklers ass and the asses of the GPD....They allow a whole host of offenses go on committed by city officials, city council and GPD officers. Ever notice how Horn, Alcock, Council and GPD are all still buying drinks on our tax dollars? We allow this to continue and they are sitting back slapping one another on the back.

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#1510460 --- 12/07/17 04:24 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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A sham and a theft. When Trickler was picked he had no intention of moving into the city and the city manager and council had no intentions of making him. Trickler downright stole that money. Changing the requirement just for him and only him just goes to show you that the city had no intentions of making him move. Disgraceful! Sounds criminal to me.
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#1510462 --- 12/07/17 04:26 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Originally Posted By: Mr. 2U
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Did GPD Lt. John Cataline live in the city and score just as high as Jeff Trickler on that particular Chief’s test? Why did he not get hired, he fit all criteria correct?


I have known John Cataline since he was a young rookie cop. He lives in the city, community minded and was a well liked and well respected man. He should have been chief.
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#1510666 --- 12/11/17 03:31 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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I wonder what's behind all this Tickler Hating.  The man is well liked, involved, and by all standards an asset to the city.  He lives just outside the city of Geneva.  Big deal.  All of you hysterics make it sound like a big cover-up conspiracy criminal act.  Get a grip on  your horney, breathless search for issues to outrage over. 

It's not the best situation, it seems to have been handled poorly over time and now the issue has been put to rest by the city council vote.  Let it go.  its not the big screaming crime you desperately want it to be.  The man is respected and trusted.  Focus your energy on working with him and others to bring about honest changes good for all.  Show some integrity, some good character, some honesty, and some concern for the real objective which is to bring people together in respect.

You remind me of a troop of soldiers so busy complaining about their sergeant, they forget their objective and the enemy overruns them.  Stay focused on the mission.  What is your mission:  getting rid of Chief Tickler or bringing diverse people together?

All of you need to do some soul searching, reflection on yourselves.  What's driving your hatred of this man?  The matter is closed, move on respectfully.  You are not fighting the Bolshevik Revolution. work to bring people together, to help them know and respect each other.  What sad examples you all are!  Pityful. " A tempest in a teapot." Rage for its own sake to no good end.



Edited by ruby2 (12/11/17 03:36 PM)

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#1510695 --- 12/12/17 08:43 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Heany, MEENEY, Miney, Mo. No council seat, No BID job? Try running for city manager?

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#1510732 --- 12/12/17 03:39 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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I have nothing against Mr. Trickler, but if he did in fact take $2,500 to help with a move he never made, he should be required to return that money.
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#1510740 --- 12/12/17 05:16 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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I agree with you absolutely, Wolf King. I believe city council requires the money be returned.

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#1510847 --- 12/14/17 10:28 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Pretty sure this matter has been taken care of...the requirements have been ammended...no laws have been broken, no need to keep whining!!...go back to finding some other petty argument to complain about to make yourselves feel better!!

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#1510872 --- 12/14/17 04:17 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Also, I'd like to remind you all that Chief Trickler is a human being.  Like you he probably has family, friends, children maybe, a house he's lived in for a long time, a neighborhood he knows and neighbors.  To  just trash someone online without considering how your cyber blows will hurt this man, his family, etc, is thoughtlessly cruel.  This has been done to other Geneva high profile individuals like Jackie Augustine and Ken Camera for instance.  You may not like them, you may not agree with their politics and that's okay., but show some respect for them as human beings as you lay down your critique of them.

Today everyone is crying out for respect, fairness, understanding, love, compassion, kindness from others, but very few are giving it.  We are still in Give Me, Give Me mode with very little effort made to empathize with others.  Try to see that we all suffer in some way, that's the human condition.  These are not bad people.  They may not be to your liking, but they deserve  as much respect as anyone else.  Disagree with them, but don't demonize them.  Practice kindness, compassion and respect, not these trashy rants with no substance to back them up.  Some issues, and people, will require a lot of ranting and raving from us to get our point across, but most don't measure up to that level.  We have all turned into hotheads for some reason, let's try to get back to a less violent, confrontational way of being in the world.  Huh, maybe?

At least here in our own little Geneva teapot let's try to limit the tempest, in the spirit of coming together as a peace loving diverse community.  Love your neighbor, love nature, and enjoy the beauty of your hometown and its generous and long suffering lake.

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#1510876 --- 12/14/17 07:58 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: cj216inf]
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Originally Posted By: cj216inf
Pretty sure this matter has been taken care of...the requirements have been ammended...no laws have been broken, no need to keep whining!!...go back to finding some other petty argument to complain about to make yourselves feel better!!




Or, how about, as American citizens with free speech guaranteed to us under our First Amendment to the Constitution, we continue to express our views on this public servant receiving preferential treatment. Simply amending the law after it's already been broken doesn't cut it. Would any "ordinary" citizen receive such treatment? The only one I see whining here is you.
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#1510880 --- 12/14/17 09:59 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Wolf King, the situation was poorly handled and persisted for a time. It's my opinion the decision to give the chief and exemption, have him pay back money, was the right one, this allowed him to move forward working with community members on police-community relation issues. He's liked, he's trusted, and they are having some success. It makes sense to allow him to continue in that capacity. 

What happened with Chief Trickler is no big deal.  Mistakes were made, maybe the city was trying to accommodate him somewhat when he was promoted to Chief.  He'd been around a long time, they knew who they were dealing with, he was the perfect fit for the job, etc..  Who knows. It's been corrected. . It's a small matter.

Going forward the residency requirement will be enforced and we will get what we deserve.  And that is  whatever is available to us from the small pool of individuals living within the parameters of our little city.

As to ordinary citizens, they get their share of special treatment every day, every hour, all across America, we just don't hear about it.  Things happen all the time in government and in business that appear to be unfair, but may be the right decision under the circumstances that exist at that time. True equality in all instances is impossible to achieve.  Most of us have experienced some kind of preferential treatment in our lives for one reason or another.  Get off your high horse.  Move on, there's nothing to see here.  No crime has been committed.

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#1510895 --- 12/15/17 06:35 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Going forward the residency requirement will be enforced and we will get what we deserve. 


was it not a requirement for any hired chief to reside within the city?

Originally Posted By: ruby2
And that is  whatever is available to us from the small pool of individuals living within the parameters of our little city.


why would it only be limited to those living within the city?

individuals move frequently for a new job that they have an interest in
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#1510896 --- 12/15/17 06:51 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: cj216inf]
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Originally Posted By: cj216inf
the requirements have been ammended...


should all city employees be required to live within the city?

should it be amended that if a city employee fails to live within the city that they 'donate' the difference back to the city for the property tax savings of living in the town and not in the city?

if they live in a $200,000 home in the town and the taxes on a $200,000 home in the city were $2,000 more per year then should that $2,000 be deducted out of their pay to help lower the taxes for actual city residents?
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#1510900 --- 12/15/17 07:22 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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And, Bluezone, don't forget if they live on the moon and Jupiter aligns with Mars, will that make all the bad stuff go away?  How much will it cost to fly from the moon to Geneva?  Why don't hummingbirds have big feet to carry around like the other birds?  So many questions, so few answers. Stay away from the coffee today, man.

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#1510908 --- 12/15/17 08:02 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Going forward the residency requirement will be enforced and we will get what we deserve. 


was it not a requirement for any hired chief to reside within the city?
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#1510911 --- 12/15/17 08:08 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
And, Bluezone, don't forget if they live on the moon and Jupiter aligns with Mars, will that make all the bad stuff go away?  How much will it cost to fly from the moon to Geneva?  Why don't hummingbirds have big feet to carry around like the other birds?  So many questions, so few answers. Stay away from the coffee today, man.


did the city manager offer any reason why the move did not take place?

are the taxes lower in the town of geneva compared to the city?
are the water/sewer rates lower in the town of geneva compared to the city?
is there less crime in the town of geneva compared to the city?
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#1510915 --- 12/15/17 08:26 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: cj216inf
the requirements have been ammended...


should all city employees be required to live within the city?


would be able to eliminate the 'live where you work' program the city offers to get people to buy a home in the city whistle
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#1511022 --- 12/16/17 05:56 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
And, Bluezone, don't forget if they live on the moon and Jupiter aligns with Mars, will that make all the bad stuff go away?  How much will it cost to fly from the moon to Geneva?  Why don't hummingbirds have big feet to carry around like the other birds?  So many questions, so few answers. Stay away from the coffee today, man.



Very awkward and rambling stretch.
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#1511159 --- 12/18/17 03:45 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: cj216inf
the requirements have been {b}ammended[/b]...


how about a different approach

if a city employee works long enough to get full health and a full pension at retirement age would the city not be able to 'amend' the provisions and refuse to offer both full healthcare and a full pension at retirement age?


(imaginary letter to employee)

dear long term city employee:

this letter is to inform you that we amended the terms of your employment and we will no longer provide you with full healthcare and a full pension even thought you were told that when you were first hired

enjoy your retirement

signed
a cash negative city with 70% tax exempt properties

ps - all those sick days you banked up - we will be keeping them also with the newest amendment
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#1513246 --- 02/14/18 10:54 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
I wonder what's behind all this Tickler Hating.  The man is well liked, involved, and by all standards an asset to the city.  He lives just outside the city of Geneva.  Big deal.  All of you hysterics make it sound like a big cover-up conspiracy criminal act.  Get a grip on  your horney, breathless search for issues to outrage over. 

It's not the best situation, it seems to have been handled poorly over time and now the issue has been put to rest by the city council vote.  Let it go.  its not the big screaming crime you desperately want it to be.  The man is respected and trusted.  Focus your energy on working with him and others to bring about honest changes good for all.  Show some integrity, some good character, some honesty, and some concern for the real objective which is to bring people together in respect.

You remind me of a troop of soldiers so busy complaining about their sergeant, they forget their objective and the enemy overruns them.  Stay focused on the mission.  What is your mission:  getting rid of Chief Tickler or bringing diverse people together?

All of you need to do some soul searching, reflection on yourselves.  What's driving your hatred of this man?  The matter is closed, move on respectfully.  You are not fighting the Bolshevik Revolution. work to bring people together, to help them know and respect each other.  What sad examples you all are!  Pityful. " A tempest in a teapot." Rage for its own sake to no good end.



I don't hate Chief Trickler. I don't think he was the best man and most qualified man for the job. One person was passed over for chief because he didn't live in the city and he said he wouldn't move to the city. The most qualified man, who does now and did then live in the city, was passed over.

Chief Trickler isn't even respected by his own officers. Many have jumped ship and some of them have been there a long time.

My frustration personally is by city charter the chief must reside in the city, he received money to help offset the move, didn't move, won't move and kept the money fraudulently. On top of all that it has been said that this won't be allowed for the next chief.

It's not at all hatred. The chief should have done what was right and moved into the city.
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#1513278 --- 02/16/18 10:31 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Basically, Mechanic, what you're saying, as I read it, is that you don't think Chief Trickler is qualified for the job, officers are leaving the force, some long timers, there was another candidate better qualified who lives in city and was passed over, and Trickler should have been forced to move in order to keep his job. Oh and, also, that he fraudulently kept money given to him for the move.

What I'm saying is he is not keeping the move money, he is qualified for the job, his outreach and collaboration with residents of color seems to be earning him their respect, if police officers are leaving, I don't know, it may be because change can be difficult,  new ways must be tried in order for the police and troubled communities to move forward together, this is difficult for some people to handle.  You are a by the book kind of guy it seems, I'm not. I'm flexible and more focused on achieving good results. Mistakes were made, they were corrected.  Going forward, perhaps, rules will be rules no matter what and all will function like a well oiled clock, but don't count on it, this is not the way of the world. 

I'm sorry your man lost.  Who knows, he may have been the better man. We have Chief Trickler, let's support him and wish him success dealing with the very deep and complex problem of growing good healthy relationships between races and classes here in little Geneva.

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#1513286 --- 02/18/18 04:27 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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There appears to be a difference of facts regarding the return of the funds: has that happened or not?

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#1513287 --- 02/18/18 10:07 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Tacitus, in answer to your question:   On December last, I believe it was, there was a heated discussion by the city council and residents speaking for and against Trickler's residency and move stipend.  I watched it on cable tv.  It was a sincere and honest discussion by all parties speaking.  A number of different opinions/solutions were put forward.  Finally when a vote was taken by council, it was decided to make an exemption for Chief Trickler and allow him to stay in his current residence and REPAY THE MOVE MONEY TO THE CITY.  The amount of $2,500 is not a life changing amount for a middle class person like the Chief earning a good salary, so I don't think it was an attempt on his part to scam the city when he accepted the money in the first place.

The council said mistakes were made, but for the sake of the city, because of the respect he has earned, and continuity in programs already begun, he will stay on as Chief and stay in his present home.  A good number of residents affected by the police outreach programs spoke out on his behalf.  They appreciated his efforts.  Going forward, the council determined, the residency requirement will be enforced for new hires and, as I said,  the money returned. 

There was much passion at the meeting and at the end, after the council decision was rendered, there was a moment of drama.  A white, well dressed, may I say a Hobart-looking young woman, screamed and wailed after the decision.  For a moment it felt more like a murder trial than a council meeting.  I don't know, perhaps she lives in one of the neighborhoods ravaged by guns, drugs and violence!  I hope not for her sake.  She looked more South Main to me.  All in all though, this aside, I felt most people there were struggling to find the best path forward, and I feel they made a rational decision for the good of all concerned

This was the meeting to the best of my recollection.

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#1513291 --- 02/18/18 03:22 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
perhaps she lives in one of the neighborhoods ravaged by guns, drugs and violence!  I hope not for her sake.  She looked more South Main to me.

And what exactly does THAT look like?
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#1513329 --- 02/20/18 01:01 PM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: ruby2
perhaps she lives in one of the neighborhoods ravaged by guns, drugs and violence!  I hope not for her sake.  She looked more South Main to me.

And what exactly does THAT look like?

Ah, Genesee street
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#1514355 --- 04/27/18 09:25 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
perhaps she lives in one of the neighborhoods ravaged by guns, drugs and violence!  I hope not for her sake.  She looked more South Main to me.

And what exactly does THAT look like?


Just look at the low income housing projects. Look at the areas that get the most police calls. Look at the types of calls the police respond to. Look who is committing these violent crimes.
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#1514356 --- 04/27/18 09:26 AM Re: GPD Chief Tickler tricks the system! [Re: The Mechanic]
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April 27 2018 and let me guess, Chief Trickled has not moved into the city per the city charter.
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