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#1507652 --- 10/31/17 10:11 AM Where Can You Park a Tiny Home?
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Where Can You Park a Tiny Home?

HGTV programs like “Tiny House, Big Living,” which have helped popularize the movement, often gloss over this not-so-tiny detail. But the many Facebook pages and websites devoted to tiny-house culture are obsessed with it: Online discussions are dominated by requests, if not outright pleas, for tips on how and where to find tiny-house-friendly locations.

Zoning regulations in most places — especially densely developed regions like the New York metro area — typically do not allow full-time living in temporary structures like R.V.s or movable tiny houses. Most tiny homes are built on wheeled trailers that can be towed. Unlike R.V.s, however, tiny houses are generally not wheeled for touring, so much as for flexibility of location.

Zoning also commonly specifies a minimum home or lot size that is too large and expensive for a lifestyle geared toward affordability. Residential building codes can also present a problem for tiny houses built on foundations.

Finding a site in rural towns is often easier, because of the likelihood of looser zoning and enforcement. In Lodi, N.Y., for example, Eleanor Liebson, an occupational therapist, is hoping to start a tiny-house community on a portion of the 100-plus acres she owns near Finger Lakes National Forest. “There’s the potential because there’s no zoning in our town,” she said. “We can do it.”

The downside to remote sites, however, is the absence of readily available utility hookups.

A version of this article appears in print on October 8, 2017, on Page RE1 of the New York edition with the headline: Wanted: A Very Small Lot. Order Reprints| Today's Paper|Subscribe

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#1512582 --- 01/19/18 11:01 PM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: newsman38]
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I would think any RV camp site would accommodate you?
Then the question of how long a stay are you looking for?
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#1512780 --- 01/28/18 07:43 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: young guns]
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The whole tiny house idea intrigues a lot of people. But the show NEVER addresses the water, septic and electricity issues required. It’s just not as easy as they make it seem!

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#1512828 --- 01/30/18 10:23 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: antnee]
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Originally Posted By: antnee
The whole tiny house idea intrigues a lot of people. But the show NEVER addresses the water,


bottled water for drinking
collect rain water for all other uses

Originally Posted By: antnee
septic


dig a hole
like outhouses from days gone past or remote areas use



Originally Posted By: antnee
electricity


solar panels
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#1513094 --- 02/07/18 08:36 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: newsman38]
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Originally Posted By: newsman38
Finding a site in rural towns is often easier, because of the likelihood of looser zoning and enforcement. In Lodi, N.Y., for example, Eleanor Liebson, an occupational therapist, is hoping to start a tiny-house community on a portion of the 100-plus acres she owns near Finger Lakes National Forest. “There’s the potential because there’s no zoning in our town,” she said. “We can do it.”

The downside to remote sites, however, is the absence of readily available utility hookups.


buy a one acre lot for about $500-$1000

run electric from the road

the home is soo small it would only need electric

the tiny home is usually only about 200-400 square feet or about 1/5 to 1/10 of the standard home

the electric use would be very small as the home is only 1/5 to 1/10 of the standard home

use a composting toilet

use a 'lifewall' unit to heat/cool and supply solar electric to the tiny home
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#1513784 --- 03/22/18 08:10 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: bluezone]
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I was just thinking back over this tiny house thing. It’s definitely appealing to save money or to just OWN something. When I think about living in a tiny house I expect it to be “a house” and not a campsite. The electricity from the road comment would mean that you would have to be close to the road or ready to pay for a telephone pole to be installed. Hopefully there will be an existing driveway. And I’m assuming that you have bought the lot. What does the town require to get approvals. Will the town allow an outhouse instead of a bathroom? So where do you get the hot water to take a shower. Living small is one thing but living as some of the comments suggest just isn’t what I would have in mind for a small house.

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#1513791 --- 03/22/18 11:12 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: antnee]
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Originally Posted By: antnee
The electricity from the road comment would mean that you would have to be close to the road or ready to pay for a telephone pole to be installed.


run the electric under ground


Originally Posted By: antee
Will the town allow an outhouse instead of a bathroom?


use a composting toilet


Originally Posted By: antee
So where do you get the hot water to take a shower.


use a small 5 gallon electric water heater or use a hot water solar panel on the roof to heat the water


Originally Posted By: antee
Living small is one thing but living as some of the comments suggest just isn’t what I would have in mind for a small house.


as a trial run - one could try living in a small area of their current home to see if it would fit their needs
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#1513795 --- 03/22/18 03:26 PM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: antnee
The electricity from the road comment would mean that you would have to be close to the road or ready to pay for a telephone pole to be installed.


run the electric under ground

If there is already power at the road (which is not a given on the edges of the FLNF), then the cost is $8 per foot if no pole is needed, and $21/foot is a pole is needed. Underground costs considerably more because more than just a wire goes in the ground, and trenching/boring is required.
On a 100 acre parcel, you could easily find the house/village spot to be 1000 feet in. Budget tens of thousands in that case.

One of the very expensive downsides to finding a place where there is no zoning to carry out your oddball housing idea is that the people who own the next property can do the same thing, which may be incompatible. One way to get some protection is to buy a whole lot of land. There has been nothing like that for sale in Lodi, but there are 92 acres for sale in Ovid for $1.6 million. Annual taxes will be quite a bit as well. I think thoughtful zoning will give you a better standard of living for a lot less money.

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#1513892 --- 03/29/18 06:34 PM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: DeReRustica]
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Originally Posted By: DeReRustica
If there is already power at the road (which is not a given on the edges of the FLNF), then the cost is $8 per foot if no pole is needed, and $21/foot is a pole is needed.



a 'telephone' pole is not needed it that case

a person could install a 4x4 or 6x6 piece of lumber to get the wire above the ground if there electric run is longer than the normal span

Originally Posted By: DeReRustica
Underground costs considerably more because more than just a wire goes in the ground, and trenching/boring is required.


one could rent out a small backhoe and dig the trench themselves

Originally Posted By: DeReRustica
On a 100 acre parcel, you could easily find the house/village spot to be 1000 feet in. Budget tens of thousands in that case.


why would one need a 100 acre parcel for just one tiny home?

Originally Posted By: DeReRustica
there are 92 acres for sale in Ovid for $1.6 million.


start a tiny home community

92 acres could have handle many tiny homes


Originally Posted By: DeReRustica
Annual taxes will be quite a bit as well.


vacant land tend to see lower taxes

the assessment goes up when a structure is built on the land
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#1513893 --- 03/29/18 07:00 PM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: antnee]
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Originally Posted By: antnee
I was just thinking back over this tiny house thing. The electricity from the road comment would mean that you would have to be close to the road or ready to pay for a telephone pole to be installed. Hopefully there will be an existing driveway.


you have to remember that you will be saving a considerable amount of money with a tiny home

if a person currently lives in an 1800 square foot home and then moves to a 300 square foot tiny home their utilities would most likely drop by 50% to 80%

you will not be heating/cooling the 1800 square foot home but rather just the 300 foot tiny home

if your current home is an older home that requires considerable upkeep then you would also save that yearly cost

a tiny home would be newer with better insulation, better windows, a newer roof that would not cost $8,000 to $10,000 to replace

all the expenses on a tiny home would be far less than compare to a traditional home

the show tiny home had a woman that was considering a tiny home

her husband passed away and the last of 4 children had just started college

her home was a 4,000 sqaure footage home

she looked at all her expenses for the larger home - taxes, heating/cooling, upkeep and she found that she could start saving a considerable amount of money is just a few years if she moved into a tiny home

she tried an experiment to see if she could live in the smaller space

she choose a room in her current 4,000 square foot home that would be about the size of the tiny home

she moved all the items that she needed into the room and stayed in there

she made a mock up kitchen - a table with just the small appliances she would need in the tiny home

she set aside a small space in that room for her imagainary bathroom but she continued to use her regular bathroom

she just set up the imaginary bathroom to see how much space it would take up in the tiny home

she lived like that for a few weeks and found that it was not as much of a change is she thought it would be

her original 4,000 sqaure foot home was only needed for the purpose of raising her family with 4 children

all her children were grown and the larger home was not needed

when she sold the large home it more than paid for the cost of the tiny home and to set it up on land

the left over money from her larger home sale was set aside for her retirement
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#1513894 --- 03/29/18 07:11 PM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: antnee]
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Originally Posted By: antnee
The whole tiny house idea intrigues a lot of people. But the show NEVER addresses the water, septic and electricity issues required. It’s just not as easy as they make it seem!


ryan wallace is building a factory in the Geneva industrial park to build a component called a 'Life Wall'

it will provide heating, cooling and electricty thru solar

the article was just in the local newspaper a few days ago


Quote:
Solar housing project pitched for land near Geneva ...
fingerlakes1.com/2017/01/31/solar-housing-project-pitched-for-land...
The power source is something SmallGrid created called Life Cube, said company partner Ryan Wallace, ... Solar housing project pitched for land ... New York State ...


[PDF]
LIFEWALL - SmallGrid
www.smallgrid.com/uploads/9/6/4/6/96466838/lifewall-datasheet.pdf
The Life Wall provides high efficiency heating, cooling ... Assembled In Geneva, NY ... LifeWall-Datasheet Author: Ryan Wallace


Solar village project before Geneva City Council ...
www.fltimes.com/business/solar-village-project-before-geneva-city...
Life Wall, developed in Geneva by a newly formed ... Solar village project before Geneva City ... Project director Ryan Wallace of SmallGrid said the proposal has ...
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#1513896 --- 03/30/18 05:30 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: newsman38]
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Setting up a tiny house is no walk in the park! They make it seem so easy on TV!

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#1513913 --- 03/31/18 07:22 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: antnee]
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Originally Posted By: antnee
Setting up a tiny house is no walk in the park!


what is your biggest concern?
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#1514105 --- 04/12/18 05:15 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: bluezone]
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It all seems difficult. All the connections is hard enough. Why not live in a mobile home?

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#1514106 --- 04/12/18 05:56 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: antnee
The whole tiny house idea intrigues a lot of people. But the show NEVER addresses the water, septic and electricity issues required. It’s just not as easy as they make it seem!


ryan wallace is building a factory in the Geneva industrial park to build a component called a 'Life Wall'

it will provide heating, cooling and electricty thru solar

the article was just in the local newspaper a few days ago


Quote:
Solar housing project pitched for land near Geneva ...
fingerlakes1.com/2017/01/31/solar-housing-project-pitched-for-land...
The power source is something SmallGrid created called Life Cube, said company partner Ryan Wallace, ... Solar housing project pitched for land ... New York State ...


[PDF]
LIFEWALL - SmallGrid
www.smallgrid.com/uploads/9/6/4/6/96466838/lifewall-datasheet.pdf
The Life Wall provides high efficiency heating, cooling ... Assembled In Geneva, NY ... LifeWall-Datasheet Author: Ryan Wallace


Solar village project before Geneva City Council ...
www.fltimes.com/business/solar-village-project-before-geneva-city...
Life Wall, developed in Geneva by a newly formed ... Solar village project before Geneva City ... Project director Ryan Wallace of SmallGrid said the proposal has ...
the city of Geneva will be sorry they ever allowed it in that location.
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#1514141 --- 04/13/18 10:50 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: antnee]
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Originally Posted By: antnee
It all seems difficult. All the connections is hard enough.


what connections are you concerned with?

any upfront costs will be relalized in the savings year after year
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#1514142 --- 04/13/18 10:54 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the city of Geneva will be sorry they ever allowed it in that location.


because of the proximity to the bridge?
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#1514898 --- 05/21/18 06:09 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: newsman38]
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Let’s revive this tiny house thing. The idea is to save money. Make life more affordable. I say, forget all the hastles. There’s too many! Let’s move the hell out of New York. We won’t need a tiny house so much. New York is EXPENSIVE to live in. Really! We may even live longer away from the landfill stink!

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#1514900 --- 05/21/18 06:19 AM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the city of Geneva will be sorry they ever allowed it in that location.


because of the proximity to the bridge?
everything about this project is wrong for that location unless it is for 55 and older people. It's going to turn into a housing project for college students.That would have been a perfect spot for a skate park.
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#1515436 --- 06/10/18 07:59 PM Re: Where Can You Park a Tiny Home? [Re: antnee]
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Originally Posted By: antnee
The idea is to save money. Make life more affordable. I say, forget all the hastles. There’s too many! Let’s move the hell out of New York. We won’t need a tiny house so much. New York is EXPENSIVE to live in. Really! We may even live longer away from the landfill stink!



wink wink

a tiny house can be towed to any place out of NYS
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