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#1507398 --- 10/27/17 09:23 PM Breaking News
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#1507399 --- 10/28/17 12:17 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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They got something gassy! They got something! With much more to come! Until Trump goes!

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A federal grand jury in Washington on Friday approved the first charges in the investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to sources briefed on the matter.

The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are.
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#1507400 --- 10/28/17 12:33 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Federal officials have not yet validated the CNN report, and a spokesman for Mueller declined to comment to Reuters.

However, if confirmed, it would mark a major development in the special counsel’s probe. “If anybody thinks the Mueller investigation is going to be wrapping up, this decision guarantees it will go well into 2018,” CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said.
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#1507401 --- 10/28/17 12:35 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Roger Stone, a longtime adviser to Trump, said that he had spoken to Manafort at 5 p.m. Friday and, as of that time, Manafort “knew nothing of this,” referring to the report of the indictments.

Stone’s statement didn’t clarify matters - a suspect wouldn’t be informed of an indictment - but it indirectly indicated that Stone and his friend of 40 years (and former business partner) were checking in with each other about where things stood at the close of business this week. A suspect would never be informed of an indictment.

Later Friday night, Stone told HuffPost that he had spoken to Manafort at 8:30 p.m. and that the former campaign chairman had “said nothing.” Stone added that he thought Mueller’s primary investigative focus was an obstruction case rather than the more central issue of collusion, which presumably would be the greater risk to Manafort.

Another close mutual friend of Trump and Manafort, speaking on background to be candid, said that he expected the former campaign manager to be indicted, though he had heard nothing specific as of late Friday. “It’s a shame what’s going to happen to Paul,”
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#1507402 --- 10/28/17 12:37 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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FROM FOX NEWS!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/28/mueller-russia-probe-reportedly-nets-first-charges.html

The first charges have been filed in Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, reports said Friday evening.

At least one person could be taken into custody as early as Monday, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed sources.
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#1507403 --- 10/28/17 12:39 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Buried on this website grin

http://www.breitbart.com/

Mueller Probe's First Act: Leak to CNN

CNN exclusively reported Friday night that Mueller's team had filed charges

CNN itself reported tonight that typically the subjects of grand jury charges are usually notified immediately, but in this case neither any subjects, nor their attorneys, have been notified.
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#1507404 --- 10/28/17 12:48 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/feds-approve-first-charges-related-to-mueller-investigation-report/

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's office is not commenting on whether he was briefed on possible charges, and spokesperson for the special counsel also declined to comment to CBS News.

However, there was a lot of activity Friday around the court where the grand jury is meeting. One of the special counsel staff attorneys was seen at court -- Andrew Weissmann -- who spent much of his career at the Justice Department and recently served as the chief of the fraud section of the Criminal division.
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#1507405 --- 10/28/17 12:58 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Keith Olbermann‏Verified account @KeithOlbermann 16m16 minutes ago

It appears @RogerJStoneJr has deleted these about @donlemon.

For some reason.

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Keith Olbermann‏Verified account @KeithOlbermann 1h1 hour ago

Keith Olbermann Retweeted Roger Stone

You won’t get to watch @cnn in prison, Rodg

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Roger Stone‏Verified account @RogerJStoneJr

When AT&T aquires Time Warner the house cleaning at CNN of human excrement like @donlemon @jaketapper & dumbfuck @ananavarro will be swift
8:54 PM - 27 Oct 2017
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#1507406 --- 10/28/17 01:01 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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CBS News‏Verified account @CBSNews 27m27 minutes ago

Pres. Trump responds to California billionaire calling for impeachment http://cbsn.ws/2gRPaPh
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#1507407 --- 10/28/17 01:02 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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CBS News‏Verified account @CBSNews 1h1 hour ago

Russian lawyer from 2016 Trump Tower meeting shared allegations with Kremlin official, report says http://cbsn.ws/2gOD8WH
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#1507408 --- 10/28/17 01:04 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Keith Olbermann‏Verified account @KeithOlbermann 1h1 hour ago

Keith Olbermann Retweeted Roger Stone

Rodg, shouldn’t you be packing and fleeing?

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Roger Stone‏Verified account @RogerJStoneJr

.@donlemon stop lying about about the Clinton's and Uranium you ignorant lying covksucker !!!! You fake news you dumb piece of shit.
7:57 PM - 27 Oct 2017
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#1507422 --- 10/28/17 10:33 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Potential Federal Charges in Mueller Investigation Should Be Met With Skepticism
Timothy Meads
On Friday October 28, 2017, CNN reported first that a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. had approved charges in the Russian 2016 election interference investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to anonymous sources.

CNN’s sources told the network that the “charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge.” These individuals also said that a potential figure could be taken into custody as soon as Monday, but declined to mention who exactly and for what reasons.

It is rather peculiar that those close to the investigation leaked these claims to CNN, despite the charges remaining under sealed order from a federal judge. Although this story lacks detail and sourcing, many on the left are apoplectic that this spells “the end” for President Donald J. Trump.

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Of paramount importance is does Trump start pardoning people right off the bat. Not type of guy who has tool like that and doesn't use it.
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It's almost 10:30 a.m. Trump's usually escaped to golf by now. According to press pool, he's still at WH.

He must be in full meltdown mode.
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It should be noted that CNN has jumped the gun on reporting on Trump and Russia before. This past summer, three senior journalists were forced to resign after completely butchering a story regarding President Trump's aid Anthony Scaramucci and Russia. That story alleged that a hedge fund Scaramucci was involved with had collaborated with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

This is not to say that CNN is wrong again here, nor to suggest they may be correct this time. It is simply a reminder to take news reports based on anonymous sources with a grain of salt and to not rush to judgment.

Unless any major changes in this story occur today or tomorrow, the media’s reporting on potential charges is all pure speculation.
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#1507423 --- 10/28/17 10:44 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: cwjga]
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At best your premise is sheer speculation. Why do you hypocrites act as policeman, jury and judges when a Liberal gets in trouble but as soon a crooked Conservative commits the same crimes, the investigation is waste a of taxpayer's monies, time and "nothing will be found" Common sense and intelligence would be better served in letting justice take precedent but as always, your terms of justice is to allow liars,crooks and unethical people get a free pass....If they're Conservatives that is. Tell me son, am I to believe that the Russians are our friends and the Republican party is doing a banged up job?.....No wonder we witness the type of posts you display.

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#1507424 --- 10/28/17 11:12 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: cwjga]
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A question, assuming that you raise your children with some form of ethics, why do you now contradict those values by debating feverishly in defence to liars, cheaters and unethical people? Make some sense here, you don't condone teachers, principals or superintendents displaying these traits but when it comes down to your political views, you're willing to lower your standards to hurt half the country by allowing the very things you told your children were wrong...now, which is it? a Liberal is a liar but a Conservative is a truth bearer. One problem son, unless they've told you their political persuasion, how do you know the difference ? Now you understand why racism and stereotyping are alive and well.

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#1507428 --- 10/28/17 02:15 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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I would love to see Mueller indict both Flynn and Manafort Monday. That would set off a tweet storm like we have never seen from the old guy with Alzheimer's. grin
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#1507430 --- 10/28/17 02:27 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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In some form or fashion Trump knew that an indictment was forthcoming but his illogical mindset has him believing a distraction in regard to Hillary would magically make this go away. Sadly, it won't work here on the forum neither.

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#1507432 --- 10/28/17 06:33 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
In some form or fashion Trump knew that an indictment was forthcoming but his illogical mindset has him believing a distraction in regard to Hillary would magically make this go away.
His illogical mindset. I think that about sums it up. I can see no other reason for him acting the way he does. What scares me even more is the number of Americans that still support someone who is obviously mentally unstable. Isn't that obvious to everyone by now? That is the real scary part.
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#1507433 --- 10/28/17 06:35 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
In some form or fashion Trump knew that an indictment was forthcoming but his illogical mindset


https://mindsetonline.com/whatisit/about/

In a fixed mindset, people believe their basic qualities, like their intelligence or talent, are simply fixed traits. They spend their time documenting their intelligence or talent instead of developing them. They also believe that talent alone creates success—without effort. They’re wrong.

In a growth mindset, people believe that their most basic abilities can be developed through dedication and hard work—brains and talent are just the starting point. This view creates a love of learning and a resilience that is essential for great accomplishment. Virtually all great people have had these qualities.
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#1507435 --- 10/28/17 07:03 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Keith Olbermann‏Verified account @KeithOlbermann 1h1 hour ago

Keith Olbermann Retweeted Roger Stone

Rodg, shouldn’t you be packing and fleeing?

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Roger Stone‏Verified account @RogerJStoneJr

.@donlemon stop lying about about the Clinton's and Uranium you ignorant lying covksucker !!!! You fake news you dumb piece of shit.
7:57 PM - 27 Oct 2017
Stone and Trump are two similar loudmouth blowhards.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/28/twitter-suspends-longtime-trump-adviser-roger-stone.html

Longtime Trump ally Roger Stone’s account was suspended by Twitter on Saturday – but the self-styled agent provocateur is vowing to return to the social network.

“I have been informed that I have been suspended for 3 hours and 12 minutes,” Stone told Fox News in a text message. “While I am uncertain why, sometimes the stark truth offends some people.”

Added Stone, “I'll be baaaaaak.”

As of Saturday evening, the @RogerJStoneJr account was still unavailable. “This account has been suspended,” the page for Stone’s account read.

A Twitter spokesperson told Fox News they do not comment on individual accounts. But the company cited its policy on abusive behavior that states users “may not incite or engage in the targeted abuse or harassment of others.”

On Friday, in a series of offensive tweets, Stone lashed out at some of CNN’s personalities, including anchors Jake Tapper and Don Lemon. It came as the network reported that a federal grand jury has approved the first charges in special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

MUELLER HAS FILED CHARGES IN RUSSIA-TRUMP ASSOCIATES PROBE: MULTIPLE REPORTS

In one tweet, he called Lemon a “dumb piece of s--t.” He also called him “dumber than dog s--t.”

He also referred to Lemon and Tapper as “human excrement” and CNN contributor Ana Navarro as a “dumbf--k.”

Stone, who was interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee for its Russia probe, is a colorful political consultant and longtime informal adviser to Trump who often serves a surrogate for the president in the media.

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#1507441 --- 10/28/17 08:43 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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He is just telling the truth! Lemon is another flower petal you guys like!

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#1507456 --- 10/29/17 02:54 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
He is just telling the truth! Lemon is another flower petal you guys like!
So do you think Twitter was wrong for kicking Stone off their system for totally obscene posts? Stone and Trump are such horrible examples to young people for the foul language they use.
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#1507487 --- 10/29/17 02:37 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Trump says a free press is the enemy of the people. His good buddy Roger Stone uses foul language on Twitter that would get a high school student kicked out of class. Now Stone is going to sue twitter for kicking him off twitter? Have you ever seen worse examples for today's youth than these two?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/28/roger-stone-suspended-twitter-244274

President Donald Trump's longtime associate Roger Stone said "the battle against free speech has just begun" as the political provocateur tangles with Twitter over his account's suspension.
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#1507492 --- 10/29/17 03:46 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Stop Trying to Convince Trump Voters. Start Trying to Win

By William Rivers Pitt, Truthout | Op-Ed

October 29, 2017


You have to wonder what Jeff Flake and Bob Corker are thinking today. I'm sure neither were expecting their Sunday to be this quiet. These two stalwart bedrock pillar Senate Republicans dropped a couple of building-sized bricks on the White House last week, and all that came of the resulting DONK was yet another hashtagged rhetorical victory lap by Donald Trump.

According to normal political gravity, this was the sun rising in the West. Flake and Corker took Reagan's 11th Commandment -- "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican" – and fed it to the bears. Two major figures within the GOP brutally attacked a sitting Republican president on national television, using phrases like "debasing the nation" and "flagrant disregard for truth or decency," and in any other time in US history, it would have been a nine-days wonder.

It should be noted that Flake and Corker’s words assailing Trump do not bump them to the head of the line for beatification. Their profile in courage is shorter than the flyers you find on your windshield. Flake happily voted several times to strip millions of Americans of their health insurance not long ago, and Corker just voted to blow up a major consumer protection regulation. Both have voted with Trump 90 percent of the time.

It is the fact of their right-wing street cred that makes this situation all the more remarkable. If normal political gravity still existed, these senators' statements would rank right up there with the "Have you left no sense of decency?" line attorney Joseph Welch deployed to obliterate Joseph McCarthy in 1954. The dam holding back an ocean of congressional resentment should have broken, and the resulting political flood tide should have gone through 1600 Pennsylvania like the rivers that flushed out the Augean stables … and yet, here we sit on this quiet Sunday, with Flake and Corker left to plumb the mysteries of Mallard Fillmore in the funny pages while wrestling with perhaps the greatest imponderable of the age.

What do you have to do to make a damn dent?

Here are two major players in their party swinging baseball bats at their own leader, and in less time than it takes to type 140 characters, Donald Trump and Steve Bannon were lighting bonfires and howling at the moon. They're losers, they can't win, they're quitters … and the crowd in their MAGA hats, of course, went wild.

Fact: Donald Trump is a feckless racist catastrophe who would gladly light the world on fire just to see his name printed in the last newspaper ever published. This is fairly common knowledge now. Fish swimming in the eternal night of the Marianas Trench know the president of the United States is an exceedingly dangerous clod, and yet he rumbles on like some colossal ball of pumpkin cobbler gone wild on hubris.

How? Why? What do you have to do? It's the most important question in the world right now, and we need to find a new answer, because all the ones we've come up with to date are lying by the side of the road with truck tracks up their backs. It has not been pretty, and a great many people today are wandering through life in a daze, wondering when they're going to wake up.

I don't have all the answers, but one is fairly self-evident: Math. About 20-30 percent of US voters are Trump supporters to the teeth. They are comprised of one of the strangest amalgamations in US political history -- some evangelicals, some wealthy whites, some rural poor whites, some underemployed blue-collar white laborers, some reality TV fans -- and in their eyes, Trump can do no wrong. By itself, this is not a massive coalition, but it becomes truly muscular when:

1. Half the country doesn't vote in the general election;

2. Two-thirds of the country doesn't vote in primaries or in the midterm elections.

That 20-30 percent becomes a juggernaut under such circumstances, and such circumstances are exactly what we've had here in the US for going on 50 years. Jeff Flake and Bob Corker might have thought they were sounding the charge for a congressional revolution against Trump, but every single Republican under that dome can read a polling sheet just fine, thank you, and they were not about to buck that trend. In the modern GOP, opposing Trump in even the smallest fashion has become the new third rail of politics: Touch it, and you die.

Plus, the GOP paymasters want their trillion dollar tax cut, and they have no interest in letting their hired help muck things up with an inter-party civil war before that gets done and signed. The keys to the Treasury dangle only just out of reach. Flake and Corker picked the wrong week to be ersatz heroes.

What do you have to do to make a dent? Here's a thought: Stop trying to convince Trump supporters they're wrong. You may as well try to convince Patriots fans that Tom Brady is a cheater. You will fail, because they won't believe you, and furthermore they don't care. The national spleen is being vented, and right now they love the smell of bile.

This isn't about ignorance or political naivete. This is quite simply what some people, fueled largely by bigotry and fear, want, and they are so eager for it that they will do as instructed and see each defeat as a victory for people like them. There is no reaching past that. They believe, and they belong, and for a certain breed of cat, that is the richest cream of all. To quote another Patriot, it is what it is.

You can't fix that. You have to beat it. This is hardly impossible. Trump may sound like everything is going his way, but that is more deception.

He made former Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions his attorney general. The fellow tapped to replace Sessions lost in the primary to genuine theocratic fascist Roy Moore. Thanks to a high level of revulsion statewide for Moore (even among many Republicans), the state of Alabama might fail to elect a Republican to the Senate for the first time in 20 years.

Across the continent, the looming departures of Jeff Flake and John McCain have the state of Arizona set to send a whole new slate to the Senate. These would normally be two safe Republican seats but for the Trump Factor, which has inspired the Roy Moores of the country to run for high office. Some of the people who stand a good chance of becoming Republican nominees for these Arizona Senate seats truly make Trump look like Cato the Elder.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility for the GOP to lose one, both or all three of those seats, simply by dint of who Trump's supporters choose to back. If Steve Bannon has his way, Trump's people will go all in for the anti-establishment candidates. Mitch McConnell hates everything right now, and his caucus of cowards have only themselves to blame.

Two states, three seats, and hats over the windmill. There are many paths to activism, but in the meantime, don't squander your energy trying to crack the façade of the true believers. That, among other things, is bad strategy. Instead, fight to win, period

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/42412-stop-trying-to-convince-trump-voters-start-trying-to-win
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#1507520 --- 10/29/17 08:42 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Teonan]
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Democrats are polling as low as Republicans! I hate to burst your bubble! LOL!

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#1507525 --- 10/29/17 08:52 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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The reality is who control the Senate, the house and is the sitting POTUS? yeah, you've guessed it. laugh
Total mayhem in all three because all three need not the Democrats to pass health care, tax reform or any other legislation but can't get anything passed.

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#1507531 --- 10/29/17 09:00 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Why should this Congress be any different than the past ones? If you remember under Obama they did nothing! Obama did things by executive order and Obamacare was passed by deal making and only got passed by single digits!

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#1507534 --- 10/29/17 09:10 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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LOL, in your response,you've failed to mention that the United States suffered the worse financial discord since the great depression, it was a sitting GOP POTUS who directed the helm when we reached the point of near disaster. If we remember correctly, it was a sitting Democratic POTUS who took the risk and brought the country out of said disaster... or do you have a fake account of how that worked?......LOLOLOLOL

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#1507562 --- 10/30/17 07:59 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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#1507564 --- 10/30/17 08:05 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: ThomasDecker]
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I am focused on that "WMD" sticker, remember the two wars created following that accusation, 7 thousand American deaths, millions spent of casualties and ongoing medical care. Lastly, I'm glued moreso to the current event this morning.....want to take a stab on it's validity?

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#1507565 --- 10/30/17 08:09 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: ThomasDecker]
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It's apparent that there is no thought process proceeding your posts, something like someone involuntarily heaving up their lunch.

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#1507567 --- 10/30/17 08:34 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Trump says a free press is the enemy of the people. His good buddy Roger Stone uses foul language on Twitter that would get a high school student kicked out of class. Now Stone is going to sue twitter for kicking him off twitter? Have you ever seen worse examples for today's youth than these two?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/28/roger-stone-suspended-twitter-244274

President Donald Trump's longtime associate Roger Stone said "the battle against free speech has just begun" as the political provocateur tangles with Twitter over his account's suspension.


Kyle, I am proud of yourself, Teonan and Timbo in how each of you respond to the negativity shown on this forum. It's well known from your posts that you don't believe in retaliation in the form of childish immaturity which only makes for pettiness on both sides. A great lesson I learned from years of teaching from my parents "Be careful in what you hope and pray for" because in your attempts to indict another's infractions, somehow we forget the fact that we are committing the same said infraction...remember, we want justice but never considered that it would visit our house as well. Need we say anymore this morning as to who pulled the lucky short straw?


How many times were the GOP hoping for Obama's demise? Here we are 10 month into Trump's tenure and we are seeing arrests and poor polling numbers.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/trump-approval-quarter-interactive/index.html

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#1507573 --- 10/30/17 09:30 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Kyle, I am proud of yourself, Teonan and Timbo in how each of you respond to the negativity shown on this forum. It's well known from your posts that you don't believe in retaliation in the form of childish immaturity which only makes for pettiness on both sides.
Thank you. It is not easy to keep your cool when dealing with those two with a child's educational and emotional level. Sadly one is our president.
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#1507574 --- 10/30/17 09:35 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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You're welcome. Now for some more Breaking News

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-pleaded-guilty

Mr. Trump, your credibility just took another huge hit by one of your surrogates admitting that he lied to the FBI when he stated that you didn't meet with Russians.

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#1507583 --- 10/30/17 12:41 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Are you listening to the White House briefing explaining how the new tax cuts will work? after a 5 minute kiddie fable........any question? yes Sarah, who is going to jail? laugh

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#1507586 --- 10/30/17 01:39 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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#1507588 --- 10/30/17 02:24 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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Good one, how did you know that's one of my favorite shows and I watch it at least 3 nights a week? I laugh at the fact, which I've never noticed as a kid, Burger never won a case.
BTW, had a schoolboy crush on Della.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-papadopoulos-bad-news-donald-180310317.html

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#1507604 --- 10/30/17 07:39 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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I would love to see Mueller indict both Flynn Gate and Manafort Monday. That would set off a tweet storm like we have never seen from the old guy with Alzheimer's. grin


You must be clairvoyant.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/george-papadopolous-trump-guilty/index.html

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#1507611 --- 10/30/17 08:17 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Edited by gassy one (10/30/17 08:27 PM)

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#1507619 --- 10/30/17 09:08 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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#1507622 --- 10/31/17 01:44 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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OMG. I can't believe you are still saying that! Here is from your own link:

Paul Manafort’s 12-count indictment is the "first domino” that could lead to other, larger revelations about Russian involvement in the 2016 election, Harvard scholar and attorney Alan Dershowitz said Monday.

“Manafort now is the first domino, and what Mueller wants to do is see him as the first domino, the second domino, the third domino, ultimately trying to get to the big domino, which is President Trump,” Dershowitz said on "Fox & Friends."
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#1507624 --- 10/31/17 02:07 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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I guess you will still be saying that when they lock Trump up. Unbelievable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Lawyers say charges send a message to other potential targets: Prosecutors aren’t bluffing
“This is the way you kick off a big case,” a lawyer said after the one-two punch delivered today by the special counsel.


By Devlin Barrett, Sari Horwitz and Ellen Nakashima
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#1507626 --- 10/31/17 05:37 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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You know it's very damning when no one from the White House is saying "let's investigate these accusations" because Russia can effectively & adversely alter future elections.

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#1507628 --- 10/31/17 06:41 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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You know it's very damning when no one from the White House is saying "let's investigate these accusations" because Russia can effectively & adversely alter future elections.
What? We have to worry about Russia? With a leader like Putin? grin

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-strong-leader-obama-2016-9

Sep. 10, 2016

Donald Trump is again under fire for warm comments he directed at Russian President Vladimir Putin, this time calling him a stronger leader than US President Barack Obama at a national-security forum this week.
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#1507641 --- 10/31/17 09:33 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Donald Trump is again under fire for warm comments he directed at Russian President Vladimir Putin, this time calling him a stronger leader than US President Barack Obama at a national-security forum this week

That is an accurate statement from Trump! All you have to do is look at North Korea and see how effective Obama was!

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#1507656 --- 10/31/17 10:24 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Donald Trump is again under fire for warm comments he directed at Russian President Vladimir Putin, this time calling him a stronger leader than US President Barack Obama at a national-security forum this week

That is an accurate statement from Trump! All you have to do is look at North Korea and see how effective Obama was!
Putin had a lot of people murdered especially journalists who didn't write what he liked. Do you honestly think Obama had people murdered?
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#1507705 --- 10/31/17 05:37 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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How about the people in Benghazi that were killed on his watch! How about the people killed by ISIS on his watch because of his lack of leadership! Yes he has blood on his hands!

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#1507709 --- 10/31/17 05:43 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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When you come to your senses, let's' go back to last month, largest massacre in the history of United States, under whose watch? Watching the Breaking News, an individual just mowed down and killed at least 8 people...under whose watch? Trump stated that all this would stop....on his watch.

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#1507712 --- 10/31/17 05:45 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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It takes time to correct all of Obama's failures!

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#1507743 --- 10/31/17 07:38 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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It takes time to correct all of Obama's failures!

Translation: "Quick! Look over THERE!"
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#1507744 --- 10/31/17 07:38 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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How about the people in Benghazi that were killed on his watch! How about the people killed by ISIS on his watch because of his lack of leadership! Yes he has blood on his hands!

Translation: "Quick! Look over THERE!"
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#1507748 --- 10/31/17 07:57 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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For ‘low level volunteer,’ Papadopoulos sought high profile as Trump adviser.

"President Trump on Tuesday belittled former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, who pleaded guilty this week to lying to federal agents investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, tweeting that “few people knew the young, low level volunteer named George, who has already proven to be a liar.”

But interviews and documents show that Papadopoulos was in regular contact with the Trump campaign’s most senior officials and held himself out as a Trump surrogate as he traveled the world to meet with foreign officials and reporters."


Full story:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...m=.41188e4fc388
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#1507768 --- 11/01/17 06:15 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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It takes time to correct all of Obama's failures!



And when will he start? Another terrorist attack in broad daylight in the heart of NYC. The idiot (Trump) will ultimately discover that our enemy don't fear him as he assume and actually become emboldened by his ignorant boastings. ISIS is thumbing their nose at a man that focuses on them as he simultaneously overlook his real enemy.....Russia
Finally, I'll use you as an example to my premise, what's the simplest way to get you all riled up? I'm doing it as you speak, you have no ability to control your impulses & emotions......thus someone like you & our emotional president brings out the best in emotionally disturbed people.

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#1507829 --- 11/01/17 10:00 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
It takes time to correct all of Obama's failures!



And when will he start? Another terrorist attack in broad daylight in the heart of NYC. The idiot (Trump) will ultimately discover that our enemy don't fear him as he assume and actually become emboldened by his ignorant boastings. ISIS is thumbing their nose at a man that focuses on them as he simultaneously overlook his real enemy.....Russia
Finally, I'll use you as an example to my premise, what's the simplest way to get you all riled up? I'm doing it as you speak, you have no ability to control your impulses & emotions......thus someone like you & our emotional president brings out the best in emotionally disturbed people.
If your buddy Obama hadn't let things get so out of control we wouldn't have the ISIS problem!

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#1507837 --- 11/02/17 12:24 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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If your buddy Obama hadn't let things get so out of control we wouldn't have the ISIS problem!

Don't be dense. Under Obama over 45,000 ISIS forces were killed. Including at least 145 leaders and reduced ISIS held territory by about 50%, while decimating their funding.

And let's not forget that the withdrawal from Iraq was put into effect by Bush, NOT Obama. Even IF he tried to stay, Iraq was, at the time, FAR more aligned with Iran than the US and it's a virtual certainty that they would never have allowed US forces to stay.

And finally, it was Clinton, NOT Trump who advocated for no-fly zones in Syria, safe zone for refugees which would have halted the massive flow of refugees to Europe and also reduce any remaining ISIS' appeal to the shattered Sunni population in Syria.

All of this would have dramatically reduced the violence and killing that you're blaming Obama for. In fact, Trump didn't have a SINGLE policy idea of what to do about ISIS during his campaign, nor does he have much of one now. The military has utterly opposed his idiotic statements suggesting that we should "bomb the S*** out of ISIS". They are so completely entrenched underground that carpet bombing (which he has stated would solve the issue) would have virtually ZERO EFFECT on.

It's one thing for you to dance around the forums in your perpetually-deluded testosterone stupor, but for crying out loud, learn SOMETHING about that which you burble on about, would you?


Read and Learn:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
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#1507847 --- 11/02/17 05:48 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: Formermac
Originally Posted By: gassy one
It takes time to correct all of Obama's failures!



And when will he start? Another terrorist attack in broad daylight in the heart of NYC. The idiot (Trump) will ultimately discover that our enemy don't fear him as he assume and actually become emboldened by his ignorant boastings. ISIS is thumbing their nose at a man that focuses on them as he simultaneously overlook his real enemy.....Russia
Finally, I'll use you as an example to my premise, what's the simplest way to get you all riled up? I'm doing it as you speak, you have no ability to control your impulses & emotions......thus someone like you & our emotional president brings out the best in emotionally disturbed people.
If your buddy Obama hadn't let things get so out of control we wouldn't have the ISIS problem!


Let's go with that narrative, if GW Bush had not been president, the recession in 2007 would not have taken place, two wars would have been prevented along with the saving the lives of thousands of military personnel. Imagine the amount of people still having healthcare had Bush not destroyed millions of jobs, imagine the people that would still have their homes and personal assets but for the lost of jobs. Imagine if Trump was elected and become the crookedest president since Nixon, imagine if he had the lowest popularity in history. Imagine if his surrogates were arrested for Russian collusion while trump runs around like the fool he is screaming while ignoring the pain of NYC victims.....JUST IMAGINE
Imagine if Trump kept his mouth shut and not fired Comey......LOL, just imagine if there is nothing to find, special council will find nothing but here we are today, watching an erratic president systemically ratting on himself by consistently denying the fact that he is in fact a crook.

Here's a brief history on ISIS, note it's conception date of 2003,hmmmm.

http://theweek.com/articles/589924/brief-history-isis

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#1507961 --- 11/02/17 10:01 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Obama failed miserably to bring ISIS under control during his eight years in office and you know it! You're just trying to pass the buck!

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#1507966 --- 11/02/17 10:10 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Yes you are just that ignorant. What took several planes into the Twin Towers son? and how did we retaliate son? What 2 major events follow 9/11? SOOOOOO that being the case, we can say that ISIS came to our shores in 2001.........HMMMM 2001. When did we start the IRAQ and Afghanistan conflict?...maybe you'll connect the dots.

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#1507968 --- 11/02/17 10:14 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Obama stood by and let ISIS grow out of control with his band-aid approach and immigration policies!

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#1508005 --- 11/02/17 11:16 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Obama stood by and let ISIS grow out of control with his band-aid approach and immigration policies!

Facts be damned! crazy crazy crazy
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#1508011 --- 11/03/17 06:01 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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"Facts be damned" if he had been born with intelligence, common sense and logic, we wouldn't be having this odd conversation in the first place but as the gene pool works, there must be an Albert Einstein but we must suffer along and nurture the feeble minded. I'm being a bit silly here but in reality, I worry about a nation of people that spend their day attempting to turn dysfunction into the new norm.

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#1508035 --- 11/03/17 12:02 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Agreed.
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#1508036 --- 11/03/17 12:05 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Obama stood by and let ISIS grow out of control with his band-aid approach and immigration policies!

And Gassy Stood by and trolled the forums until they became his own personal diaper.
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#1508092 --- 11/03/17 09:19 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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What's in the diaper comes from guys like you DUMBO!

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#1508185 --- 11/05/17 05:04 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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Another mass killing today, proof that criticism is easy, finding a fix is more than bloviating. praying for victims.




https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-church-scene-shooting-report-192705171--abc-news-topstories.html



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...m=.cc32339191fb








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#1508188 --- 11/05/17 07:04 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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A young white American. What were Trump say now? Very little I am sure.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-churc...stream-updates/

The shooting suspect has been identified as 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley, federal law enforcement sources told CBS News.

Kelley is a former U.S. Air Force member who served from 2010 to 2014. He was dishonorably discharged and court martialed in May 2014, CBS News has learned.

On Sunday night, authorities only identified the suspect as a young white male.
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#1508192 --- 11/05/17 07:52 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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A young white American. What were Trump say now? Very little I am sure.

Ripple again Kyle?

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#1508195 --- 11/05/17 07:56 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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?????????

Just like most fools, they comment with folly after a major tragedy. Typo......how do you describe someone as yourself that exposes a convoluted mind? Please follow up with a insult, this lets me know that I control you like a puppet.

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#1508198 --- 11/05/17 08:00 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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A young white American. What were Trump say now? Very little I am sure.

Ripple again Kyle?


Someone forgot their meds again

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#1508206 --- 11/05/17 08:21 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Kyle? Not a clearly written sentence = RIPPLE! LOL!

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#1508308 --- 11/06/17 06:49 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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You are wrong Trump. It was about guns. And sloppy work by the military. How would you feel if you lost a loved one in this massacre now that you know why he was allowed to buy guns?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tex...kushpmg00000009

The Air Force said on Monday that it failed to record the Texas church shooter’s domestic violence conviction in a federal database that would have kept him from buying a gun.

That glaring oversight allowed Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, to pass multiple background checks and legally purchase firearms. The stunning admission from the Air Force raises critical questions about coordination between the military and the federal background check system that is designed to keep guns from those who have lost the right to purchase them.
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#1508329 --- 11/07/17 08:25 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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You notice this happened under Obama KYLE! Your hero!

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#1508518 --- 11/09/17 05:35 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-m...s-1091757123852

Trump Art of the Deal co-author: Mueller will end Trump...

In a "Beat" exclusive Co-Author of Trump’s ‘Art of the Deal’ Tony Schwartz says Trump has a profound sense of “imposter syndrome” and says Mueller will bring about the end of the Trump Presidency.
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#1508521 --- 11/09/17 06:11 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-m...s-1091757123852

Trump Art of the Deal co-author: Mueller will end Trump...

In a "Beat" exclusive Co-Author of Trump’s ‘Art of the Deal’ Tony Schwartz says Trump has a profound sense of “imposter syndrome” and says Mueller will bring about the end of the Trump Presidency.


His rein folding like a house of cards. A fitting end.
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#1508524 --- 11/09/17 07:03 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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the federal background check system that is designed to keep guns from those who have lost the right to purchase them.



Would that be the federal background system that you and other anti 2nd amendment nuts claim does not exist. wink
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#1508527 --- 11/09/17 07:23 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: cwjga]
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Nuts, yes, you show your hypocrisy is so many ways but let's start with the fact that extreme gun owners uses the 2nd amendment premise while simultaneously forgetting amendments guaranteeing the right to free speech, equal rights irrespective of race,color or gender. Break your 2nd amendment stance down, if I have the right to protect myself, I have the right to own a gun...period. Now explain how did anyone take it upon themselves unilaterally to pass other laws restricting who now can own a gun because they say so? If memory serves me correctly, some states hypocritically defies any gun standard by allowing it's resident to own guns without the benefit of pondering the fact that gun owners can possess the weaponry that their military counterpart use on the battlefield. I can see why the GOP party is close to disolvement, solely for the fact that everything they say and do contradict itself. I notice that the state and government is willing to cover or defray some of the funeral expense of the mass shooting victims yet in same convoluted brain, fail to pass legislative act to afford the survivors hospital stay from gun shot wounds.

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#1508528 --- 11/09/17 07:27 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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I'm heading out for coffee and yes, I have my personal weapon with me but somehow I'm starting to feel overwhelmed for the fact that some NUTCASE can legally own a AR 15 which can spray me with 100S of bullets before I can get off maybe 2 shots. Conservative logic at it's finest.

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#1509187 --- 11/18/17 07:16 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hus...kushpmg00000067

A Tennessee man accidentally shot himself and his wife Thursday during a discussion at their church about gun safety concerns.

Local news station WATE reports that the man and his wife, whose names have not been released, were attending a social club meeting at the First United Methodist Church in Tellico Plains. The club is unaffiliated with the church itself.

“We were talking about concealed carry and protecting ourselves,” witness Ray Zillick told WATE.

During the discussion, one attendee pulled out his own gun to show others. The exact details of how the gun went off are somewhat unclear.

Tellico Plains Police Department Chief Russ Parks told the Knoxville News Sentinel that the man pulled the trigger after declaring the gun was unloaded — apparently forgetting he had just loaded it. However, Zillick said that the man accidentally squeezed the trigger while pulling the gun out of his pocket.
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#1509193 --- 11/18/17 08:09 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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I'm heading out for coffee and yes, I have my personal weapon with me but somehow I'm starting to feel overwhelmed for the fact that some NUTCASE can legally own a AR 15 which can spray me with 100S of bullets before I can get off maybe 2 shots. Conservative logic at it's finest.
That is one thing we can agree on! I don't think any citizen should be able to own a AR15 or any similar type weapon!

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#1509398 --- 11/21/17 03:57 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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I am sure no former president was ever thought so little of by our nations other leaders. To use one of Trumps favorite words: sad.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mcmaster-calling-trump-apos-kindergartner-200532495.html

McMaster Calling Trump a 'Kindergartner' Makes Him Latest Official Questioning President's Intelligence
Newsweek Greg Price,Newsweek 13 hours ago

President Donald Trump just can't get Washington to respect him, with his national security adviser H.R. McMaster becoming the latest person in the president's orbit to apparently question the commander-in-chief's intelligence in public.

McMaster in July reportedly called his boss a "dope" and an "idiot" who has the mind of a "kindergartner," according to a BuzzFeed News story Monday. Those insults, which five sources said came during a private dinner with Oracle CEO Safra Catz, would put McMaster in a growing group of officials who made clear they don't think we have the sharpest guy in the Oval Office.
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#1509455 --- 11/21/17 10:16 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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More garbage Kyle?

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#1509468 --- 11/22/17 02:37 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
More garbage Kyle?
No. From Yahoo news. I have no reason to doubt its accuracy. Garbage and blah blah are what you post.
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#1509508 --- 11/22/17 10:40 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...ump-era/546533/

Women Exit the Party of Trump

After laboring for years to close the gender gap, GOP strategists are suddenly facing a gender chasm.

It turns out those pink kitty-cat hats weren’t just for show after all.

Among its many electrifying aspects, the early Trump era has had a politically galvanizing effect on women. They are organizing in the streets and on social media, running for office in record numbers, training to enter future races, and volunteering on campaigns. And on November 7, they flocked to the polls to officially have their voices heard.

What they had to say more or less boiled down to: Things around here have got to change. Now. Which has many folks in the Republican Party reaching for the Xanax.
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#1509527 --- 11/22/17 02:13 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy...kushpmg00000067

Police Were Told To Keep Roy Moore Away From High School Cheerleaders, Retired Officer Says

“I didn’t realize it until some time later that when they said he liked young girls — I just thought he liked young ladies, you know, younger than him, maybe in their 20s.”

A retired Alabama police officer said she and her colleagues were told decades ago to “make sure” Roy Moore “didn’t hang around” high school cheerleaders, and confirmed previous reports that the Republican Senate candidate was banned at the time from a local mall for predatory behavior toward teenage girls.

“The rumor mill was that he liked young girls, and ... we were advised that he was being suspended from the mall because he would hang around the young girls that worked in the stores and ... really got into a place of where they say he was harassing,” former Gadsden police officer Faye Gary told MSNBC on Tuesday.

“We were also told to watch him at the ball games, and make sure that ... he didn’t hang around the cheerleaders,” she said.

Gary did not clarify who issued the warnings, saying they “were just rumors” that circulated both at the local police department and courthouse. She also said that while working on juvenile cases as an officer, she never received a formal complaint about Moore.

“Every day we were looking for a complaint to come in,” but none did, she said.
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#1509528 --- 11/22/17 02:17 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
More garbage Kyle?
So many of his own staff think he is an immature child in need of day care.

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President Donald Trump just can't get Washington to respect him, with his national security adviser H.R. McMaster becoming the latest person in the president's orbit to apparently question the commander-in-chief's intelligence in public.
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#1509546 --- 11/22/17 06:21 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-women-in-alabama-begin-to-turn-on-roy-moore

ANNISTON, Alabama—B.L. Shirley is a Republican woman from a Republican county who always—always—votes Republican. And yet, on a windy, grey morning last weekend, the Talladega, Alabama, retiree found herself in, of all places, a Democrat’s campaign office, wondering just what she could do to defeat the GOP candidate running for a seat in the U.S. Senate from her state.

“Roy Moore,” she said, when asked why she would go canvassing for Democrat Doug Jones before the special election on Dec. 12. “I think Roy Moore is an impostor. I am a Christian and I don’t want to be counted in his camp. He’s a divisive person.”

If Jones is to pull off a victory, it will be because women like Shirley knocked on doors, called neighbors, and worked to convince otherwise skeptical voters that his opponent is fundamentally unfit for the office he’s seeking. A few weeks ago, that seemed like a tall order. As the election nears, it no longer appears quite so improbable.

Allegations that Moore routinely pursued teenage girls and in some cases assaulted them when he was a single man in his thirties have caused Republican voters in Alabama to reassess their options. Some have decided to rally around the nominee. But others have recoiled, leaving Moore in real risk of losing his attempt to take over the seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

More than any other group, it is the women of Alabama, specifically Republican women, who will be the divisive voting bloc.

Women like Walton Foster.

A Republican and a Christian, Foster voted for Sen. Luther Strange (R-AL) in the special election primary and said she plans to cast her ballot for Jones in the general. She considers Roy Moore “an abomination.”

“Our historically Republican-leaning suburb is covered with Doug Jones signs. I have seen one for Roy Moore,” said Foster, a mother of two teenage boys who lives in a suburb of Birmingham. “He is more about his personal agenda and less about what is good for the state of Alabama. He does not seem interested in working with anyone. He has refused to debate and defend his positions publicly. When you add the nine accusations—nine!—it is clear he is unfit for office.”

Moore himself seems acutely aware that his standing among the women of Alabama is precarious at best. Over the past few days, his campaign has held press events with women testifying to his character while his wife has become his most public-facing surrogate.

The message has been that he is a victim of the liberal media, not a predator who targeted underage girls. Democrats in the state say it isn’t working.

Sheila Gilbert, the chair of the Calhoun County Democratic Party, said she’s heard from a number of unhappy Republican women since the allegations against Moore came to light in The Washington Post several weeks ago. She believes that those woman, and that story, have fundamentally changed the course of the Senate race.

“I worked on a phone bank the other night with women calling women and a lot of women just wanted to talk,” Gilbert said. “They were saying they were Republicans and they’re going to vote for Doug Jones. They are appalled. I’ve heard a lot of that.”
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#1509560 --- 11/22/17 08:38 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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This could be another Hilary election Kyle!

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#1509605 --- 11/23/17 02:52 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
This could be another Hilary election Kyle!
It could be. I admit the polls are all over the place. If Jones wins, I think Trump's chances of lasting four years are greatly diminished.
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#1509662 --- 11/23/17 10:41 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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But you said Hilary was gonna win too! LOL!

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#1509664 --- 11/23/17 10:45 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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But you said Hilary was gonna win too! LOL!
The Dems thought Hillary would win. The Reps thought Hillary would win. Trump thought Hillary would win until 8 PM on election night. You and Trump haven't shut up about it since. Get a life as we fight the worst president ever with the worst approval ratings ever.

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#1509698 --- 11/23/17 07:48 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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But you fail to point out the Democrats aren't much better! LOL!

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#1509718 --- 11/23/17 08:30 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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No, YOU fail to demonstrate that.
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#1509719 --- 11/23/17 08:34 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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Have already shown DUMBO that Democrats aren't polling much higher than Republicans! Remember you called me a liar and I showed who the true liar is? Of course you have selective memory loss or dementia or are just plain to stupid to remember or a combination of all three! Which is it? LOL!

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#1509722 --- 11/23/17 08:38 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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#1509726 --- 11/23/17 08:48 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Have already shown DUMBO that Democrats aren't polling much higher than Republicans! Remember you called me a liar and I showed who the true liar is? Of course you have selective memory loss or dementia or are just plain to stupid to remember or a combination of all three! Which is it? LOL!

Of course, there's also a fourth possibility that you haven't mentioned. That you're full of crap.

So, please, indulge me... present this alleged poll result "exposition" you're asserting. I'm eagerly [laughingly] awaiting. smirk
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#1509730 --- 11/23/17 08:58 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one

Wrong again, Sport. Never look at CNN.

Try Again.
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#1509733 --- 11/23/17 09:41 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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That's right you're a Huffington Post or Politico wack job!

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#1509738 --- 11/24/17 04:06 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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That's right you're a Huffington Post or Politico wack job!
Not from Huffington Post or Politico. You get your news from where?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kellyanne-conway-must-fired-breaking-094800392.html

The ethics chiefs for former presidents George W Bush and Barack Obama have called for White House advisor Kellyanne Conway to be fired for weighing in on the Alabama Senate race.

Ms Conway sparked controversy after she attacked Republican Alabama Senate Roy Moore’s opponent on television on Tuesday. She responded to a question about Mr Moore, who is accused of pursuing underage girls while he was in his 30s and working as an assistant district attorney in Alabama, by attacking his rival Doug Jones.

This is not the first time Ms Conway has been accused of breaching a federal ethics law. Earlier this year, she made an on air sales pitch for President Donald Trump’s daughter’s clothing and accessory line.

"Go buy Ivanka's stuff, is what I would say. I hate shopping – I'm going to buy stuff today," Ms Conway said on Fox and Friends. "It's a wonderful line. I own some of it. I'm going to give a free commercial here. Go buy it today, everybody. You can find it online."

Ms Conway, who coined the now notorious phrase “alternative facts”, has gained a reputation for being gaffe-prone during her time in the White House.

She recently defended the US president’s tweet branding North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un “short and fat,” claiming he only insulted the dictator because Kim had “insulted him first.”

Other blunders include using a TV interview to invent a terrorist attack that never happened termed the “Bowling Green massacre”, suggesting Obama could have spied on Mr Trump using a microwave, and claiming National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn, had the “full confidence” of President Trump hours before he was fired.
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#1509746 --- 11/24/17 09:17 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...rump-legal-team

Call it karma, hypocrisy, fate or the inevitable, when you point fingers at anyone, remember the amount of fingers pointed back at yourself. What are the chances that General Flynn had that smirk wiped off his lying mouth and is now willing to talk, if only to keep himself out of the same klinker he sought for Hillary.

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#1509747 --- 11/24/17 10:10 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plu...m=.2ca743b56985

Michael Flynn, who served as President Trump’s national security adviser for just 24 days before being cut loose, may be the key figure to unraveling the entire Russia scandal. If that’s true, the president just got some very, very bad news in the form of a New York Times report:


Lawyers for Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, notified the president’s legal team in recent days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel’s investigation, according to four people involved in the case — an indication that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with prosecutors or negotiating a deal.

Mr. Flynn’s lawyers had been sharing information with Mr. Trump’s lawyers about the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is examining whether anyone around Mr. Trump was involved in Russian efforts to undermine Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

That agreement has been terminated, the four people said. Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.
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#1509749 --- 11/24/17 10:16 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Bloomberg‏Verified account @business
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A dangerous distraction for Trump: signs that Mueller may be zeroing in on his inner circle https://bloom.bg/2BjGmXs
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#1509763 --- 11/24/17 09:41 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...Bf8N?li=BBnb7Kz


Maybe Mueller not as competent as you propose Kyle! LOL!


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#1509770 --- 11/25/17 02:51 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...Bf8N?li=BBnb7Kz

Maybe Mueller not as competent as you propose Kyle! LOL!
I hope he is very competent. The future of this country may depend on him doing a good job. That is how serious this is.

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Lisa Monaco, the White House's Homeland Security advisor, tasked Mueller to talk to Alexander Bortnikov, head of Russia's internal security and counter-intelligence service, the FSB.

For at least a week, Mueller called Bortnikov's office, starting at 3 a.m. in Washington. Each time, the FBI director was turned aside without getting Bortnikov on the line.

"Mueller just kept calling over there, like begging to talk to the guy," said a former official. Instead, Snowden was granted asylum in Russia.

The unsuccessful outreach offered Mueller insight into Russian intelligence, who U.S. officials say helped hack and leak Democratic Party emails last year in an effort to undermine U.S. democracy and to help Trump's campaign.

Investigators and lawyers who have worked with Mueller say that his legacy as special counsel will depend, ultimately, on his resolve, his integrity and especially his judgment.

"If he believes somebody has committed a crime, he's going to do whatever he can to hold them accountable," said a former FBI colleague. "Trump's name or brand is not going to back down Mueller."

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#1509781 --- 11/25/17 07:58 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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YEAH! Very serious for the sore losers! LOL!

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#1509872 --- 11/26/17 12:36 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/26/politics/donald-trump-doug-jones-tweet/index.html

Sen. Lindsey Graham bemoaned President Donald Trump's support for Alabama Senate Republican candidate Roy Moore on Sunday, calling the move a lose-lose situation.

"If he wins, we get the baggage of him winning, and it becomes a story every day about whether or not you believe the women or Roy Moore, should he stay in the Senate, should he be expelled?" Graham said on CNN's "State of the Union." "If you lose, you give the Senate seat to a Democrat at a time where we need all the votes we can get.

"The moral of the story is don't nominate someone like Roy Moore who can actually lose the seat any other Republican could win," the South Carolina Republican told anchor Dana Bash. "And what I would tell President Trump: if you think winning with Roy Moore is going to be easy for the Republican Party, you're mistaken."

Trump, who has all but endorsed Moore in the special election to fill the seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, slammed Moore's Democratic opponent, Doug Jones, in a tweet early Sunday morning.

"The last thing we need in Alabama and the U.S. Senate is a Schumer/Pelosi puppet who is WEAK on Crime, WEAK on the Border, Bad for our Military and our great Vets, Bad for our 2nd Amendment, AND WANTS TO RAISES TAXES TO THE SKY. Jones would be a disaster!" Trump tweeted.

Many Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan, have disavowed Moore, pulling their support for his candidacy after several women accused Moore of pursing sexual relationships with them when they were in their teens and he was in his 30s.

David Urban, a former Trump campaign strategist, broke with the President on "State of the Union," saying, "I think the only thing worse than Doug Jones is Roy Moore.

"I think Roy Moore will be an anchor on the Republican brand, Urban said. "I think it will be a disaster for the midterms and the party will continue to try to move and separate itself.

I think that the governor should have just postponed the election, it's well within in her purview to do so and could have solved it very easily."

One woman alleges Moore touched her inappropriately when she was 14. Another woman has accused Moore of sexually assaulting her when she was 16. The legal age of consent in Alabama is 16.
Moore has repeatedly denied the allegations, which Trump has emphasized when asked about the former Alabama chief justice's candidacy.

"He denies it. Look, he denies it," Trump said last week. "If you look at all the things that have happened over the last 48 hours. He totally denies it. He says it didn't happen. And you know, you have to listen to him also."

Moore wasn't the President's first choice for the nomination. Trump backed Luther Strange, who was appointed to finish out Sessions' term by then-Gov. Robert Bentley, in the primary, moving to support Moore only after Strange lost. Trump reminded his followers of that fact in a tweet Sunday morning.

"I endorsed Luther Strange in the Alabama Primary," Trump wrote. "He shot way up in the polls but it wasn't enough. Can't let Schumer/Pelosi win this race. Liberal Jones would be BAD!"

Trump's tweets on Sunday aren't his first swipe at Jones. Last week, he told reporters on the White House lawn, "We don't need a liberal person in there, a Democrat, Jones. I've looked at his record. It's terrible on crime. It's terrible on the border. It's terrible on military. I can tell you for a fact we do not need somebody who's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad with the military, bad for the Second Amendment."
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#1509887 --- 11/26/17 04:46 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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https://conservativedailypost.com/breaki...n=26_November-1
Informant Testimony Reveals Obama-Era Payments, Mueller Uranium Hand-Off
Posted by Mark Megahan | Nov 21, 2017

Robert Mueller muled some fissile material to Moscow for Hillary as a favor.

Hillary Clinton and Robert Mueller were so close to the Uranium One scheme, if you pointed a Geiger counter at either one of them, it would squeal right off the scale. We knew already that Hillary is caught in the middle of a quid-pro-quo to sell uranium interests to Russia in exchange for $145 million dollars. The latest bombshell revelation is that then-FBI Director, Robert Mueller not only knew about Hillary’s Russian collusion, he muled some fissile material to Moscow for her as a favor.

Proving that the mainstream media actively conspires to prevent the public from learning the truth, a blatant smear campaign has been launched in the press against the FBI’s no longer confidential informant. Just one of the things they don’t want you to know is how involved FBI Director Mueller was. He currently is the witch smeller tasked with establishing, one way or another, Russian “collusion” with President Trump and his campaign.

One of the things William Douglas Campbell is supposed to testify about is that in September of 2009, Director Mueller “personally” delivered “a 10-gram sample of highly-enriched uranium to the Russian government.” This little courier job was ordered by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton herself and confirmed by a Wikileaks Twitter post referring to a State Department cable in May of this year.

Last night, The Hill published a story after reviewing actual evidence William Douglas Campbell plans to present as part of his upcoming testimony before two Congressional House subcommittees. According to their investigators, the evidence conflicts with “several media reports as well as statements by Justice officials.”

Officials at the Department of Justice have made statements to the press alleging that what Campbell has to say will be limited at best because he worked for a subsidiary, Tenex, not the larger firm. It turned out that he still managed to come up with quite a collection of evidence.

Director Mueller “personally” delivered “a 10-gram sample to the Russian government.

Enough to clearly show that the FBI had plenty of documentation that “Rosatom officials were engaged in criminality well before the Obama administration approved Rosatom’s purchase of Uranium One.” The FBI documented $2.1 million in bribes Mikerin collected and then disbursed through “offshore shell companies in Cyprus, Latvia and Switzerland” that “ultimately benefited entities connected to Vladimir Putin.”

According to Yahoo News, Campbell “was considered so unreliable that prosecutors dropped him as a witness in an unrelated case involving Russian uranium sales,” citing unnamed sources in the Justice Department. Not so unreliable they couldn’t pay him though. The Justice Department wrote him a check for $51,000 as they closed out the last of the related bribery convictions in January of 2016.

Campbell’s attorney, Victoria Toensing, says “This is a smear job.” The real reason his testimony wasn’t used against Vadim Mikerin was “the Obama administration didn’t want to bring a big extortion case against Russia” that would feature Campbell’s testimony undermining the Uranium One sale. Instead, she asserts, “they covered it up.”

Hillary used her position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to threaten “to withhold aid.”

If any of Campbell’s evidence had seen the light of day, the sale of Uranium One would never have been approved. It would have been clear grounds for disqualification by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS). Mr. Campbell “helped the FBI record the first criminal activity by Rosatom officials inside its Tenex arm in November 2009, nearly an entire year before CFIUS approved Rosatom’s purchase of Uranium One.”

It all started on September 6, 2005, when ex-President Bubba Clinton hooked up with a buddy from his Arkansas days, Canadian billionaire Frank Giustra. Along with an assistant to federal fugitive Marc Rich, who Clinton later pardoned on his last day of office, they met in Almaty, Kazakhstan. They were supposedly there to “help HIV/AIDS patients gain access to certain drug therapies,” except Kazakhstan didn’t have an HIV/AIDS problem. What they did have was $5 trillion in resources, including uranium.

Giustra used the opportunity to meet with Kazakhstan officials to work out mining deals with his company, UrAsia Energy Ltd. “The Giustra-Clinton Sustainable Growth Initiative” was born.

The very next day, Hillary used her position as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee to threaten “to withhold aid to Kazakhstan unless and until the UrAsia mining deal went forward.”

Giustra gave a little token of his appreciation to the Clinton Foundation.
The day after that, “UrAsia Energy Ltd was awarded Kazakhstan mining rights from Kazatomprom, the atomic energy agency for Kazakhstan” and “suddenly became the world’s largest uranium mining producer.” A short while later after the dust settled, Giustra gave a little token of his appreciation to the Clinton Foundation. $31.3 million dollars.

Robert Mueller came on the scene in August of 2006 when he opened an investigation into corruption and uranium smuggling involving the former Soviet Republics.

A few months later, in February of 2007, Kazatomprom’s boss, Mukhtar Dzhkishev, showed up on Bill Clinton’s Chappaqua doorstep to talk about a new deal with Giustra. Coincidentally, later that same month, Giustra sold his UrAsia Energy Ltd to Uranium One, but in some fancy footwork involving a “reverse merger,” he kept 60 percent controlling interest.

Soon after, Giustra and associates announced, “a recurring commitment to donate $100 million and half of future profits to the Clinton Foundation.” The arrangement paid off with an estimated $145 million in direct contributions to the Clintons.

On June 9, 2009, Kazatomprom Director Dzhkishev, was arrested by the Kazakhstan government on Uranium One corruption charges. Allegedly prompted by Vlad Putin’s desire to snatch the uranium out from under Kazakhstan’s dictator.

Because the move threatened the Uranium One sale to Rosatom, Hillary used her position as head of the State Department to once again threaten to withhold financial aid to Kazakhstan. Not surprisingly, they backed down and the deal went through. Three months later, Muller was muling uranium to Moscow as Hillary’s personal courier.

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#1509908 --- 11/26/17 08:29 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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OH BOY KYLE!

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#1509984 --- 11/27/17 06:29 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: gassy one]
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OH BOY KYLE!

Oh, Boy, Gassy...

Right-Wing Group CAUGHT RED-HANDED Trying to Feed Washington Post a Fake Roy Moore Story! smirk

The Washington Post has caught a right-wing group run by infamous hoax perpetrator James O’Keefe attempting to feed it a false accusation of sexual abuse against Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, the paper reports in a Monday story:

Caught on Video:
http://thehill.com/media/362026-wapo-busts-conservative-activists-pushing-fake-roy-moore-allegations
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#1509994 --- 11/27/17 09:27 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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Project Veritas's James O'Keefe tweeted about his 'confrontation' with a Post reporter. Here’s what REALLY happened:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.1abcc765cd6e
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#1509999 --- 11/28/17 01:02 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Timbo]
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Project Veritas's James O'Keefe tweeted about his 'confrontation' with a Post reporter. Here’s what REALLY happened:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.1abcc765cd6e
Timbo. I click on the link but I can't read it unless I pay money to the Washington Post. How about posting key info from the link? Thanks
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#1510002 --- 11/28/17 05:19 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Project Veritas's James O'Keefe tweeted about his 'confrontation' with a Post reporter. Here’s what REALLY happened:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.1abcc765cd6e
Timbo. I click on the link but I can't read it unless I pay money to the Washington Post. How about posting key info from the link? Thanks


The Washington Post on Monday published a report about a woman who falsely claimed Roy Moore sexually assaulted her as a teenager — and who appeared to work with Project Veritas, an organization that uses deceptive tactics and secretly recorded conversations in an effort to embarrass its targets.

Shortly after the investigation was published, Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe tweeted a video of what he called his “confrontation” with one of the authors of The Post investigation, Aaron C. Davis. The video was heavily edited, a tactic for which Project Veritas has drawn criticism.

The Post filmed the entire encounter.

Davis and another Post reporter, along with two video reporters, went to the Project Veritas offices in Mamaroneck, N.Y., on Monday morning to try to determine whether the woman, Jaime T. Phillips, worked there. They watched as she walked into the office. O’Keefe, who appeared minutes later, declined to answer questions. He invited Davis back for an interview shortly after noon.

In the full version of the video, O’Keefe repeatedly declined to answer questions about the woman and her affiliation with Project Veritas. The organization has previously targeted mainstream media outlets such as CNN, which it accuses of being biased.

Upon tweeting the edited version of the video, O’Keefe said, “The Washington Post sends a reporter to question me, but take a look. Who’s interviewing who?”
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#1510016 --- 11/28/17 11:15 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Project Veritas's James O'Keefe tweeted about his 'confrontation' with a Post reporter. Here’s what REALLY happened:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.1abcc765cd6e
Timbo. I click on the link but I can't read it unless I pay money to the Washington Post. How about posting key info from the link? Thanks

Hereyago:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029894702
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#1510140 --- 11/30/17 07:04 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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#1510890 --- 12/15/17 04:36 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch...s-1117090371876

Democrats due for landslide if momentum holds

Rachel Maddow looks at the math of what happens if 2018 if Democrats keep the momentum of the 10-point swing they've enjoyed so far in special elections.
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#1511887 --- 01/04/18 04:18 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.npr.org/2017/07/14/537247838/what-really-irritates-vladimir-putin-the-magnitsky-act

If you're not familiar with the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 U.S. law, here is the most important thing to understand: Russian President Vladimir Putin and everyone in his orbit hates it.

"A purely political, unfriendly act," Putin called it at the time, and he has been railing against it ever since.

Congress wanted to punish Russian human rights abusers by barring them from entering the U.S. This followed the 2009 death of Sergei Magnitsky, a Russian lawyer who died at age 37 in a Moscow prison where he was held — and allegedly beaten — after accusing Russian officials of massive tax fraud.

The law symbolized the deteriorating relations between the U.S. and Russia. Days after Congress passed it, the Russian parliament responded by banning American citizens from adopting Russian orphans.

In a bizarre 2013 trial, a Russian court went even further, convicting Magnitsky of tax fraud — four years after he died.

The Magnitsky Act re-emerged as a front-burner topic this week in connection with the investigations surrounding President Trump's campaign and possible links to Russian meddling in last year's presidential race.

Russia has lobbied hard for repeal of the act. That's what Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya said she was doing when she met with Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016 at Trump Tower in New York.

News broke Friday that she was accompanied at that meeting by Russian-American Rinat Akhmetshin. He is known as a skilled political operator who has worked in both the former Soviet Union and the United States on behalf of his clients, according to a U.S. journalist who has known him for two decades.

Akhmetshin has also spoken freely about his past in Soviet military intelligence, according to the journalist, Steve Levine, who works for Axios in Washington.

However, in remarks to The Associated Press, Akhmetshin said he served in a military unit that was part of counterintelligence but was not trained as a spy.

Levine first encountered Akhmetshin in Kazakhstan. There, in 1998, he provided Levine with confidential banking and legal documents pointing to financial corruption by the country's president.

"His signature is to be able to drill very, very deeply in the former Soviet Union, in a very knowing way," Levine said. "Here in Washington, he's this very unusual character, who may be the most skilled lobbyist I've met."

Akhmetshin is, he added, "someone who can ingratiate himself with members of Congress and their staffs, power figures here, and make things happen."

Levine said they've been in touch periodically over the years, including in brief email exchanges in recent days as Akhmetshin's name began to surface in media reports.

Akhmetshin, who has become a U.S. citizen, has aggressively lobbied against the Magnitsky Act. Just a few days after his meeting with Trump Jr. in New York last year, Akhmetshin was in Washington to promote a movie called The Magnitsky Act — Behind the Scenes.

The film was shown at the Newseum in Washington on June 13, 2016. It offers the Russian government's version of events and claims that Magnitsky was not mistreated by Russian authorities.

Trump Jr. has also said that — to his disappointment — last year's meeting with the Russians focused on the Magnitsky Act. Trump Jr. was told in advance the meeting would produce critical material on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. When the topic turned out to be the U.S. law, he considered it a waste of time.

Analysts have offered many theories on why Russia wanted to meddle in the U.S. presidential election: to undermine the credibility of the U.S. vote or to harm Hillary Clinton, whom Putin blamed for the protests leading up the Russian presidential election in 2012.

Rarely mentioned is the Magnitsky Act, a relatively obscure matter inside the U.S. but a major frustration for Russia's leadership.
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#1512218 --- 01/09/18 02:48 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/08/new-york-republicans-trump-midterms-328245

The impending GOP catastrophe in Trump’s backyard

In New York, the Republican Party is coming up empty in its hunt for top statewide candidates.


By JIMMY VIELKIND 01/08/2018 06:11 PM EST
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#1512992 --- 02/04/18 03:39 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-memo-proves-be-worse-meaningless

Republican memo proves to be worse than meaningless
02/02/18 04:32 PM—Updated 02/02/18 04:39 PM

Yesterday afternoon, Axios ran an item, quoting sources inside the Trump administration, saying there were some fears inside the White House about the Republicans’ Nunes memo. It wasn’t that Trump World was afraid of national security consequences, or mass resignations, but rather, it started to dawn on the White House that the hyped memo might be a “dud.”

Administration officials, the report said, “expect it will be underwhelming and not the ‘slam dunk’ document it’s been hyped up to be.”

Now that the memo is available, we know those concerns were overly generous – because it’s actually worse than meaningless.

1. The memo debunks some of the central tenets of the broader Republican argument. For months, Donald Trump and his cohorts have pushed the line that the Steele dossier was the match that lit the fuse on the Russia investigation. We’ve known for a while that this argument is wrong, but what we didn’t know is that the Nunes memo would side with the reality-based community and reject the Trump World line, conceding that it was Papadopoulos, not the dossier, that started the federal probe.

2. The memo makes pointless arguments for no reason. Apparently, Christopher Steele, like most of the American electorate, did not want Trump to become president. What’s more, Steele’s dossier, as we’ve known for quite a while, was funded in part by Democrats. Observations like these may excite confused partisans, but they have no legal, procedural, or political significance, and they do nothing to advance the baseless assertion that there were abuses among federal law enforcement officials.

3. The memo makes apparent factual errors. The document’s Republican authors make the case that the surveillance of Carter Page wouldn’t have occurred without the Steele dossier, and cite former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. That’s apparently not what McCabe said. Worse, it’s not the only mistake.

4. Trump, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, and their cohorts took an outrageous step in exchange for nothing. The White House is at odds with the FBI. Congress is at odds with federal law enforcement. The House Intelligence Committee is divided against itself. As former FBI Director James Comey noted this afternoon, Republicans are responsible for creating this dangerous mess, and they have nothing to show for their efforts except a laughable document.

5. The memo leaves Republicans without rhetorical ammunition. This was their shot. This was Trump sycophants’ opportunity to make their case – in writing, with classified information – with the media spotlight and the public’s attention. This was their chance to show that there were actual abuses and that the investigation into the president and his political operation lack justification. Instead, they fired blanks.

Al Capone’s vault had nothing in it, and as a consequence, proponents of the related conspiracy theories are actually worse off than they were before. The document’s authors set out to prove a conspiracy and failed spectacularly in their task.

Postscript: It was just two weeks ago that one GOP lawmaker said the memo exposed abuses “worse than Watergate.” That seemed foolish at the time, but it’s kind of hilarious now.
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#1512998 --- 02/04/18 11:32 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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It is amazing how Republican congressmen start telling the truth after they announce they are not running again. They no longer have to be afraid of the bully Trump doing nasty tweets on them.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html

South Carolina Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy said the recently released, controversial GOP memo alleging FBI abuses of its surveillance authority does not have "any impact on the Russia probe," and even without the Steele dossier, there would be a Russia investigation.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation," days after he announced his decision not to seek re-election.
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#1513005 --- 02/04/18 02:02 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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LOL. I love it. From Fox news.

http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/60100

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said the release of the controversial FISA memo by Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee does not discredit Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.

In a series of tweets on Friday, Gowdy said the memo, which alleges government surveillance abuse targeting at least one member of the Trump campaign, raises concerns about the FISA process and is of interest to the American people.

Despite that, Gowdy said he remains confident in Mueller and the "overwhelming majority" of the men and women serving at the FBI and Justice Department.
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#1513062 --- 02/05/18 07:07 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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LOL. We are witnessing a two edged at work, on one side many Republicans support the party by supporting a GOP President but adversely so, this idiot liar has gone so unethical and rogue, he is jeopardizing the future of many GOP candidate's re election in November. So in the interest of it's constituency, these outgoing Senators and representatives are gravitating toward some honesty for a change in hopes of escaping the new narrative of the Republicans not being the party of Lincoln but more so, a a party of racist, hateful liar.

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#1513068 --- 02/05/18 11:24 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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Trump likes nothing that is bipartisan.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/05/politics/trump-daca-mccain-coons-immigration-plan/index.html

White House rejects bipartisan immigration plan pushed by McCain, Coons

By Kaitlan Collins and Tal Kopan, CNN
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#1513264 --- 02/15/18 12:29 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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#1513268 --- 02/16/18 05:41 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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#1513270 --- 02/16/18 06:46 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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The GOP hypocrisy is once again at the forefront of our American society. We can debate and argue about immigration policies while accusing immigrants as being the source of crime here but when the criminals are home grown and many times particularly non minority, the explosive backpedaling and denial becomes very prevalent. Our Conservative friends seek to deport, demonize, falsely blame the innocent but never in any type motivation, address the horrific act carried out by our own, in particular, mass killings. GOP, your actions or better said, the lack thereof is so blatantly discriminatory and obvious that even the young people suffering at the hands of these mass murderer are now calling you out. I find it very offensive and hypocritical when a bunch of old rich White men call themselves the mouth piece for guns when in reality, it's the young & minority facing the crime which is overtaking our country. Their answer to this subject "just get rid of them" but simultaneously doubling and tripling the amount of guns manufactured and purchased. Consider our neighboring country Canada which is very diverse as well, maybe someone can explain their lack of mass murdering, particularly in their school system.

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#1513276 --- 02/16/18 12:12 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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#1513357 --- 02/21/18 11:48 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/teens-hold-lie-white-house-slideshow-wp-185947842.html


Very proud of our young people who are making their voices heard but as always, the Republican accused them of being puppets for the Democrats. Fact: The Conservative groups can't conceive of peaceful coexistence let along organized rallys in which they contend must create hatred, screams of racist remarks and guns to make for a true rally.

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#1513362 --- 02/22/18 07:16 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Yesterday at the town hall meeting with our intelligent young people, our dysfunctional president suggested that teacher be adept at carrying a conceal weapons in a previously labeled gun free zone but as of this morning another lie proceeds his usual trend of changing his tune the day after by saying he never said arming teachers but quote, training certain teacher who would be adept at shooting a gun. Yes he is just as "adept" as a chameleon, the ability to contradict himself and change at the drop of a hat. In the real world, it's known as being a pathological liar. Also note the lack of presence by Trump and governor Rick Scott at a one on one later on in an open forum whereas your lies are not so easily pushed on to these wonderful kids.

One young lady articulated it correctly, Republicans will continue to support the NRA while she called it BLOOD MONEY.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-pathetically-weak-apos-father-032232595.html

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#1513371 --- 02/22/18 06:30 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018...pped/365122002/

This article blows a hole in the premise of teachers or citizens for that matter who think that they need a gun in their possession (note I said possession).Our obsession with guns and the mentality that we can mimic what we see on TV is totally a myth and the truth be told, shooting at live target verses a stationary one is heart pumping and nerve wracking for many. I will not pass judgement on anyone that looks down the barrel of a gun knowing that they must either kill or be killed. You Republicans talk a good game but I suspect that most of you are like Barney Fife, all braggadocio but in reality, nervous as a cat in the room full of moving rocking chair.

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#1513385 --- 02/23/18 05:35 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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More companies cut ties with the NRA after customer backlash

by BEN POPKEN

More and more American businesses, including car rental companies, an insurance giant and a major bank, are severing ties with the National Rifle Association in the face of torrents of criticism from customers on social media.

The backlash began on Thursday after the First National Bank of Omaha (FNBO), which has an NRA-branded Visa credit card, said in a statement that it had decided not to renew the contract.

Shortly afterward, other companies announced they would end their NRA membership discount programs.

The groundswell comes amid calls for tighter gun control after the shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, last week that claimed the lives of 17 people. Those calls have been rejected by the NRA, which instead has pointed the finger at school security, the mental health system and the FBI.

The Nebraska-based First National Bank of Omaha said Thursday they will not renew its contract to issue the group's National Rifle Association Visa Card. Nati Harnik / AP
A spokesman for Visa said in a statement: "FNBO has informed us of its intention not to renew the NRA co-branded card program when its agreement with the NRA expires. We will support the issuer’s efforts to wind down the portfolio smoothly."

A marketing website for the card was offline as of Friday. But a cached version of it said customers would "DEFEND FREEDOM with the NRA Visa Card" by helping fund NRA programs. The ad said it gave members $35 after their first transaction, "enough to reimburse your one-year NRA membership!"


Survivors of the Parkland shooting and customers took to social media to demand that companies end any NRA-related programs.



David Hogg, a survivor of the Parkland massacre, tweeted his gratitude to companies who announced they were ending their partnerships, and, in a series of individual tweets, Hogg asked other companies to follow suit.

Some did. Among those cutting ties with the NRA were the car rental groups Enterprise, Hertz, Avis and Budget; the insurance giant MetLife; the software firm Symantec; and the Boston-based home security company SimpliSafe.

NYU marketing professor Scott Galloway said the companies are making a smart business move to protect their brand.

"The most valuable person in world of consumer business is an 18 year old. They have influence over what the rest of us believe is 'cool' and have a lifetime of discretionary spending ahead of them," Galloway told NBC News. "Their recent galvanization against the issue has made the NRA very uncool and an easy target for firms wanting to say to the most important cohort 'Hey, we get it, and are with you.'"

But Matt Schulz, senior industry analyst at CreditCards.com, said that the firms are walking a thin line.

"This is a bold move," said Schulz in an email, "but also a risky one because passions burn so hot on both sides of the topic of guns. Many will applaud the move, but NRA members are famously loyal and the organization has shown itself as being very good at mobilizing its members, so there's a real possibility of a significant backlash."

Amid the genuine customer and user outrage, it appeared that Russian trolls might be taking part in the campaign as well. Accounts with suspicious profiles that matched signs flagged by researchers as being likely trolls or bots tweeted about and directly at the individual companies. Some of the accounts taking aggressive stances also used hashtags flagged by Hamilton 68, which tracks activity by known Kremlin-linked accounts, and showed signs of automated behavior.

Suspicious Twitter accounts also jumped into the social media debate in the immediate aftermath of the shooting to stoke divides on both sides of the gun control debate and spread hoaxes.

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#1513411 --- 02/24/18 04:45 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: Formermac]
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-agre...ctions?ref=home

Democrats Shred Devin Nunes’ Surveillance Memo

The memo is in response to one declassified by President Trump alleging surveillance abuses by the FBI.
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#1513427 --- 02/26/18 12:49 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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MY god. Is there anyone who believes this? Anyone?

CNN
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52m52 minutes ago

Trump on Florida shooting: 'I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon' http://cnn.it/2CkAQYs
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#1513429 --- 02/26/18 01:42 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Not even his crazy supporters believe that one.
No smiley face or joke here, one of the biggest insults he could levy on the grieving families.

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#1513434 --- 02/26/18 06:11 PM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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Trump on Florida shooting: 'I really believe I'd run in there, even if I didn't have a weapon' http://cnn.it/2CkAQYs

Do you mean like THIS? grin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KMA3-pGgTs
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#1513442 --- 02/27/18 05:48 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: kyle585]
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-agre...ctions?ref=home

Democrats Shred Devin Nunes’ Surveillance Memo

The memo is in response to one declassified by President Trump alleging surveillance abuses by the FBI.


Analysis: How Adam Schiff's Much-Hyped 'Counter-Memo' Actually Hurts His Case
Guy Benson

Let's take a moment to once again step back and re-set where things stand in DC's dizzying memo wars. Earlier this month, House Intelligence Committee Republicans released a memo that raised questions about the methods through which the Obama-era Justice Department conducted a wiretap investigation on former Trump campaign aide Carter Page during the 2016 election season. In my analysis of that document, I concluded that it was neither the outrageous bombshell being hyped by some Republicans, nor the irrelevant flop claimed by Democrats. The truth, I wrote, fell somewhere in between -- cautioning that more information would be needed to reach an accurate assessment. The most concerning allegations put forward by Devin Nunes and committee Republicans were: (1) That the FISA warrant application to monitor Page relied on the unverified contents of an anti-Trump dossier compiled by ex-British spy Christopher Steele (which included hearsay from top Russian sources), and (2) that the FISA court was not made aware that the Steele dossier was funded by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee. Were those claims true?

The apparent answer to that question arrived in the form of a more specific (and, frankly, more damning) memo written by Republican Senators Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham, which we dissected here. Grassley and Graham cited intelligence and evidence demonstrating that the DOJ leaned heavily on the Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant, without independently corroborating its content. The Senators also revealed that in seeking the warrant, federal investigators did not even remotely adequately notify the judges that the central basis for the warrant (Steele's dossier) was opposition research funded by the Democratic Party. These are alarming facts, even if one isn't inclined to believe this was all part of a witch hunt -- after all, Carter Page had been the target of federal surveillance vis-a-vis Russian connections years earlier, and the feds' counter-intelligence investigation into Russian election meddling predated the Page warrant, and was triggered by the actions of a separate Trumpworld figure.


In any case, for weeks, Adam Schiff and his fellow partisans loudly insisted that the Nunes memo misleadingly cherry-picked information in order to distort the wider picture. Their counter-memo would expose the GOP's chicanery, they said, while blasting Republicans for supposedly compromising intelligence 'sources and methods' through the publication of their initial memo. On that last point, the Nunes file did nothing of the sort, as became clear to anyone who bothered to read it. It was the Democrats' version that actually risked national security information, according to the FBI, which requested redactions to protect...sources and methods. That's why the release of Schiff's memo was delayed as long as it was. This episode represented a one-two punch of dishonesty and hypocrisy on the part of Schiff. As for its substance, calling it a dud may be generous. After cutting through the haze of attacks and accusations, Schiff's memo does not rebut -- and therefore effectively affirms -- the two primary points raised by Nunes and seemingly confirmed by Grassley/Graham. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy reviews the facts and determines that Schiff has inadvertently vindicated the core of Nunes' case:

The FBI and the Justice Department heavily relied on the Steele dossier’s uncorroborated allegations. You know this is true because, notwithstanding the claim that “only narrow use” was made “of information from Steele’s sources,” the Democrats end up acknowledging that “only narrow use” actually means significant use — as in, the dossier was the sine qua non of the warrant application. The memo concedes that the FISA-warrant application relied on allegations by Steele’s anonymous Russian hearsay sources...Another major takeaway from the Schiff memo is that the FBI and the DOJ withheld from the FISA court the fact that Steele’s work was a project of the Clinton campaign. Naturally, the reader must ferret this admission out of a couple of dense paragraphs, in which Democrats risibly claim that the “DOJ was transparent with the Court about Steele’s sourcing.”

...A prosecutor does not get to tell a judge reasons that a source’s reports should be thought free of bias while leaving out why they should not be thought free of bias. If you know it’s necessary to disclose that “identified U.S. person” [Fusion GPS founder] Simpson was being paid by “a U.S.-based law firm” (Perkins-Coie), then it is at least equally necessary to disclose that, in turn, the law firm was being paid by its clients: the Clinton campaign and the DNC. To tell half the story is patently misleading...In sum, the Schiff memo does more to harm than to advance the Democrats’ defense of the Obama administration and the use of the FISA process by the FBI and the DOJ.

His full breakdown is quite lengthy and significantly more detailed than the excerpt I've relayed. I'd encourage you to give it a careful read, but I'll highlight a few more points that jumped out at me: First, in applying to renew the FISA warrant against Page, the DOJ was apparently not forthcoming about why the FBI decided to cut ties with Steele: "The Schiff memo is disingenuous in claiming that the warrant applications were forthright with the FISA court about the reasons for Steele’s termination as an FBI source. The Grassley-Graham memo explains that the court was apparently told that Steele was dismissed over contacts with the press. The FISA judges were not told that Steele had lied to the FBI about contacts with the press." That's an important distinction. Steele's credibility was of enormous relevance to the legitimacy of the warrant, due to his work's outsized influence in securing the warrant in the first place (especially because his findings were seemingly presented without independent verification). The FBI decided to cut him loose because he was lying to them, a fact that does obvious and serious damage to Steele's reputation as a reliable source. It should have been transparently disclosed to FISA judges, not withheld and obfuscated.

One last point, via McCarthy, that I feel obliged to flag: In my original post about the Nunes memo, I partially downplayed the seriousness of the Obama Justice Department targeting Carter Page because the warrant application was filed after Page had left the Trump campaign. That struck me as a salient strike against the notion that a Democratic administration may have been spying on a Republican campaign operative for sketchy reasons. But it's not quite that simple, McCarthy writes (emphasis his): "The Schiff memo repeats the canard that the Obama administration was not really spying on the Trump campaign because the DOJ waited until the Trump campaign cut ties with Page before seeking a surveillance warrant. What Democrats fail to mention is that the surveillance enabled the FBI to intercept not only his forward-going communications but also any stored emails and texts he might have had. Clearly, they were hoping to find a motherlode of campaign communications. Remember, Page was merely the vehicle for surveillance; the objective was to probe Trump ties to Russia."

I'm still not convinced that we're looking at some malicious conspiracy to prevent Trump from getting elected (if that's what it was, it manifestly failed), but the warrant's capacity to ensnare retroactive communications is a relevant piece of information that cuts against an argument I'd previously advanced. All in all, it seems to me that the Nunes memo was over-hyped in advance by some of its supporters, then the Democrats similarly oversold the impact of their response. The good news is that when taken together, the Nunes, Schiff and Grassley/Graham documents paint a clearer picture of what happened here. Namely, it appears as though the DOJ may have cut ethical corners (I don't know if any of this amounts to misconduct or illegality) in the process of tracking a Trump-tied figure (of whom they'd been wary long before Trump sought the presidency) and his connections with the Kremlin.

I'm hopeful that Robert Mueller's eventual conclusions will address not only any crimes that may have been committed by Russians -- or by members of the Trump administration and campaign -- but any overreach or abuses undertaken by the Justice Department in the early stages of the probe he inherited. Separately but relatedly, a nonpartisan Inspector General will soon render a verdict about the Justice Department's bizarre and controversial handling of the Clinton email scandal, which I hope will also be clear-eyed and definitive.
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#1513443 --- 02/27/18 06:11 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: cwjga]
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When will we ever learn that partisan issues only divide the country, he said she said along with opinion. It's very evident that your narrowed minded issue is just that but in the end reality and truth will find it's way to the surface. Fact, several Trump associates plead guilty, fact, our nation is in turmoil in regard to race, gender, gun control but you harp on submitted suggestions......Let's see what materialize in November but I'll guaranteed you this much, I have the common sense to keep my mouth shut and see what happens versus a idiot tweeting everyday with nonsense and nothing else.

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#1513444 --- 02/27/18 06:14 AM Re: Breaking News [Re: cwjga]
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The reason we know that you're narrowed minded, where is the other side of the equation of a dysfunctional government that is criminally crooked, corrupted and dirty? or do you submitted that this is only a Democratic issue? Yep, you're just that one sighted in your thinking. laugh

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