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#1505258 --- 09/25/17 10:32 AM Take a Knee
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Take a little trip to Valley Forge in January. If you don't know where that is, just Google it from the sidelines. Hold a musket ball in
your fingers and imagine it piercing your flesh and breaking a bone or two. There won't be a doctor or trainer to assist you until after
the battle, so just wait your turn. Take your cleats and socks off to get a real experience. Then take a knee.

Then, take one at the beach in Normandy where man after American man [including Blacks who served] stormed the beach, even
as the one in front of him was shot to pieces...the very sea stained with American blood. The only blockers most had were the dead
bodies in front of them, riddled with bullets from enemy fire.

Take a knee in the sweat soaked jungles of Vietnam. from Khe San to Saigon.. Anywhere will do. REAL Americans died in all those
jungles. There was no playbook that told them what was next, but they knew what flag they represented. When they came home,
they were protested as well..and spit on for reasons only cowards know.

Take another knee in the blood drenched sands of Fallujah in 110 degree heat.. Wear your Kevlar helmet and battle dress.. Your
number won't be printed on it unless your number is up! You'll need to stay hydrated but there won't be anyone to squirt Gatorade
into your mouth. You're on your own.

There's a lot of places to take a knee. Real Americans have given their lives all over the world. When you use the banner under which
they fought as a source for your displeasure, you dishonor the memories of those who bled for the very freedoms you have. That's
what the red stripes mean. It represents the blood of those who spilled a sea of it defending your liberty.

While you're on your knee, pray for those that came before you, not on a manicured lawn striped and printed with numbers to
announce every inch of ground taken...but on nameless hills and bloodied beaches and sweltering forests and bitter cold mountains..
every inch marked by an American life lost serving that flag you protest.

No cheerleaders, no announcers, no coaches, no fans...just American men and women...delivering the real fight against those who
chose to harm us...blazing a path so you would have the right to "take a knee."

You haven't an inkling what it took to get you where you are; but your "protest" is duly noted. Not only is it disgraceful to a nation of
real heroes, it serves the purpose of pointing to your ingratitude for those who chose to defend you under that banner that will still
wave long after your jersey is issued to another...

If you really feel the need to take a knee, come with me to church on Sunday and we'll both kneel before Almighty God. We'll thank
Him for preserving this country for as long as He has. We'll beg forgiveness for our ingratitude for all He has provided us. We'll appeal
to Him for understanding and wisdom. We'll pray for liberty and justice for all..because He is the one who provides those things.
And there will be no protest. There will only be gratitude for His provision and a plea for His continued grace and mercy on the land
of the free and the home of the brave. It goes like this..

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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#1505275 --- 09/25/17 03:20 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: young guns]
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As a long-serving US Fleet Veteran, at least I understood full well that I swore an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution, not to crap all over its most cherished tenets.
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#1505457 --- 09/27/17 03:12 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: young guns]
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Originally Posted By: young guns
Not only is it disgraceful to a nation of
real heroes, it serves the purpose of pointing to your ingratitude for those who chose to defend you under that banner that will still
wave long after your jersey is issued to another...


"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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#1505486 --- 09/28/17 04:10 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: young guns]
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Four star general: “I know something about the flag … put me down with Kaepernick”

Trump's vicious and racist attack on NFL players protesting racism has convinced a 39-year military veteran to stand with the NFL players:

https://shareblue.com/four-star-general-i-know-something-about-the-flag-put-me-down-with-kaepernick/
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#1505487 --- 09/28/17 04:14 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: young guns]
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There is a false rumor about the national anthem in the NFL rulebook

There is no mention of the national anthem in the NFL rulebook. There are no pages A62 or A63, either.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-col...l#storylink=cpy

This has been fabricated by those who wish to suppress discussing the epidemic cases of Police Violence perpetrated on African American's and other minorities.

As far as 'respecting' those who've served, we ALL swore an oath to "Uphold the Constitution". In fact, it is the foundation of military service to the country. All other principals are secondary. It's a bullspit argument and every veteran is (or should be) fully aware of their duty and the principals for which they serve. Freedom of speech is clearly the cornerstone of American Democracy. The flag and the National Anthem are merely SYMBOLS of the people's Constitution. It is not a thing unto itself. The constitution is the living will of the American citizenry.
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#1505488 --- 09/28/17 04:21 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: young guns]
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The flag code is simply a list of customs. No more, no less.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170
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#1505492 --- 09/28/17 07:01 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

The flag code is simply a list of customs. No more, no less.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170
It's called respect for the flag but morons like you and your lefty petunias don't get it! There is a place and time for everything! Protesting and acting like morons during the National Anthem isn't the time!

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#1505522 --- 09/28/17 08:26 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

As a long-serving US Fleet Veteran, at least I understood full well that I swore an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution, not to crap all over its most cherished tenets.


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As a long-serving US Fleet Veteran


So that makes you an expert on the NFL, and the Constitution.
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#1505525 --- 09/28/17 08:37 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

There is a false rumor about the national anthem in the NFL rulebook

There is no mention of the national anthem in the NFL rulebook. There are no pages A62 or A63, either.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-col...l#storylink=cpy

This has been fabricated by those who wish to suppress discussing the epidemic cases of Police Violence perpetrated on African American's and other minorities.

As far as 'respecting' those who've served, we ALL swore an oath to "Uphold the Constitution". In fact, it is the foundation of military service to the country. All other principals are secondary. It's a bullspit argument and every veteran is (or should be) fully aware of their duty and the principals for which they serve. Freedom of speech is clearly the cornerstone of American Democracy. The flag and the National Anthem are merely SYMBOLS of the people's Constitution. It is not a thing unto itself. The constitution is the living will of the American citizenry.



And it's Right of every American to boycott the NFL for ANY REASON Master Timbo!

So keep talking Master Timbo, someone is bound to find you.
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#1505538 --- 09/28/17 01:38 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
There is no mention of the national anthem in the NFL rulebook.


The US border is 'open'

in BOTH directions

need any further clues?

"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."

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#1505539 --- 09/28/17 02:04 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

The flag code is simply a list of customs. No more, no less.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170
There is a place and time for everything! Protesting and acting like morons during the National Anthem isn't the time!

And when IS the right time... SPECIFICALLY? crazy crazy crazy
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#1505540 --- 09/28/17 02:10 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As a long-serving US Fleet Veteran, at least I understood full well that I swore an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution, not to crap all over its most cherished tenets.

So that makes you an expert on the NFL, and the Constitution.

It makes me expert enough to know that which all military personnel are in true service of. The same apparently can not be said about you and others. As far as the NFL goes,... I can actually read. Can you? crazy
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#1505541 --- 09/28/17 02:16 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
keep talking Master Timbo, someone is bound to find you.

Then "someone" better come come heavily-armed and sporting body armor! whistle
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#1505542 --- 09/28/17 02:20 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
There is no mention of the national anthem in the NFL rulebook.

The US border is 'open'

in BOTH directions

need any further clues?

"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."

Schizophrenia much??? crazy
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#1505543 --- 09/28/17 02:21 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
As far as 'respecting' those who've served





"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."



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#1505551 --- 09/28/17 02:46 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Schi much???


clueless much?

notice my sig line below?

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#1505553 --- 09/28/17 02:55 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
It makes me expert enough to know that which all military personnel


how many military personnel have lost their life so far this year?
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#1505554 --- 09/28/17 03:02 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Kaepernick


he has plenty of time now

he can sign up for military service and be put on the front line

lets see if he gains a different view
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#1505563 --- 09/28/17 04:33 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Kaepernick


he can take a knee every time a hero is brought home that has made the ultimate sacrifice

some never make it back


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#1505571 --- 09/28/17 07:10 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
he can take a knee every time a hero is brought home that has made the ultimate sacrifice

some never make it back

And unlike you, some of us have actually served. The fact that some DON'T make it back, is all the more important to remember that THE REASON FOR MILITARY SERVICE is to UPHOLD the US Constitution by DEFENDING it rather than INVENTING FALSE NARRATIVES such as those repeatedly made by you and others like you.
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#1505572 --- 09/28/17 07:11 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
It makes me expert enough to know that which all military personnel

how many military personnel have lost their life so far this year?

Utterly IRRELEVANT.
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#1505573 --- 09/28/17 07:12 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Kaepernick

he has plenty of time now

he can sign up for military service and be put on the front line

lets see if he gains a different view

He won't if he understands the reason for serving. whistle
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#1505576 --- 09/28/17 07:18 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

The flag code is simply a list of customs. No more, no less.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170
It's called respect for the flag but morons like you and your lefty petunias don't get it! There is a place and time for everything! Protesting and acting like morons during the National Anthem isn't the time!

The flag (national ensign) is mereley an emblem of the Nation, and the Constitution is the documented sum-principals OF the Nation. You respect the Constitution's principals, NOT the flag. What you're suggesting is entirely counter to that idea.

Or is that simple concept just too difficult for you to wrap your head around?
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#1505583 --- 09/28/17 08:06 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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You're an idiot too! Got that concept flower petal!

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#1505619 --- 09/29/17 07:57 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
You're an idiot too!

I don't recall saying that you're and idiot. Willfully ignorant, yes.
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#1505621 --- 09/29/17 07:59 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

The flag code is simply a list of customs. No more, no less.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170
There is a place and time for everything! Protesting and acting like morons during the National Anthem isn't the time!

And when IS the right time... SPECIFICALLY? crazy crazy crazy

You still haven't answered the question.
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#1505622 --- 09/29/17 08:09 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Got that concept flower petal!

Do you understand the principals behind military personnel's sworn oath and first duty to uphold the Constitution?

United States Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces_oath_of_enlistment
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#1505637 --- 09/29/17 01:05 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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No? Didn't think so.
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#1505659 --- 09/29/17 09:08 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

The flag code is simply a list of customs. No more, no less.

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170
There is a place and time for everything! Protesting and acting like morons during the National Anthem isn't the time!

And when IS the right time... SPECIFICALLY? crazy crazy crazy

You still haven't answered the question.
Not when you are suppose to be showing respect for our country and flag!


Edited by gassy one (09/29/17 09:09 PM)

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#1505670 --- 09/29/17 11:03 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: gassy one]
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you are suppose to be showing respect for our country and flag!

Having Honorably Served at Sea for Many Long Years in the US Military, has long ago certified unequivocal respect of the highest order for the principals established within our Nation's Constitution.

Don't you wish YOU could claim as much?
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#1505688 --- 09/30/17 08:59 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
you are suppose to be showing respect for our country and flag!

Having Honorably Served at Sea for Many Long Years in the US Military, has long ago certified unequivocal respect of the highest order for the principals established within our Nation's Constitution.

Don't you wish YOU could claim as much?


"served at Sea for Many Long Years in the US Military"

Bound , and gagged in a rope locker ?
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#1505704 --- 09/30/17 12:23 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: ThomasDecker]
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Bound , and gagged in a rope locker ?

Just for You: grin

"Always Carry a Purse"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQmRYVVSrHQ
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#1505727 --- 09/30/17 01:24 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
you are suppose to be showing respect for our country and flag!

Having Honorably Served at Sea for Many Long Years in the US Military, has long ago certified unequivocal respect of the highest order for the principals established within our Nation's Constitution.

Don't you wish YOU could claim as much?
Not really! Not interested in the sea!

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#1505728 --- 09/30/17 01:26 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Bound , and gagged in a rope locker ?

Just for You: grin

"Always Carry a Purse"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQmRYVVSrHQ
I thought you played both sides of the field!

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#1506244 --- 10/08/17 06:17 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Having Honorably Served at Sea for Many Long Years in the US Military, has long ago certified unequivocal respect of the highest order for the principals established within our Nation's Constitution.

Don't you wish YOU could claim as much?


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Kaepernick


explain it to kaepernick
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#1506245 --- 10/08/17 06:22 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
It makes me expert enough to know that which all military personnel

how many military personnel have lost their life so far this year?

Utterly IRRELEVANT.


an individual that sacrificed their life for this country is irrelevant?
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#1506246 --- 10/08/17 06:26 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Kaepernick


about how many football players are there in the NFL?
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#1506249 --- 10/08/17 07:52 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As a long-serving US Fleet Veteran, at least I understood full well that I swore an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution, not to crap all over its most cherished tenets.
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It makes me expert enough to know that which all military personnel are in true service of. The same apparently can not be said about you and others. As far as the NFL goes,... I can actually read. Can you? crazy
how many military personnel have lost their life so far this year?
Utterly IRRELEVANT.
an individual that sacrificed their life for this country is irrelevant?
It's utterly irrelevant to the issue of grossly disproportionate police violence committed upon minorities, isn't it?

Besides, what would YOU know about military service to one's country?
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#1506250 --- 10/08/17 08:57 PM Re: Take a Knee [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As a long-serving US Fleet Veteran, at least I understood full well that I swore an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution, not to crap all over its most cherished tenets.
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It makes me expert enough to know that which all military personnel are in true service of. The same apparently can not be said about you and others. As far as the NFL goes,... I can actually read. Can you? crazy
how many military personnel have lost their life so far this year?
Utterly IRRELEVANT.
an individual that sacrificed their life for this country is irrelevant?
It's utterly irrelevant to the issue of grossly disproportionate police violence committed upon minorities, isn't it?

Besides, what would YOU know about military service to one's country?
Do you think DUMBO it could have anything to do with minorities committing the majority of the crimes?

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#1506275 --- 10/09/17 10:40 AM Re: Take a Knee [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Do you think DUMBO it could have anything to do with minorities committing the majority of the crimes?
I already KNOW what it has to do with. Endless hours of video content on YouTube (for example) clearly documents rampant police abuse of authority which not only proves that the issue is not only real, but is also epidemic in scope.

And even if there weren't this mountain of corroborating evidence, it still would have precisely SQUAT to do with flags, anthems, and dead servicemen.
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