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#1505421 --- 09/27/17 06:13 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: kyle585]
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It's About Racism, Not the Flag: Jackie Robinson Didn't Stand for the Anthem

By Heather Digby Parton, Salon | News Analysis

September 26, 2017

That's what those athletes who are taking a knee are saying today, 45 years later. No matter how rich and successful they become, they are still black men in white America, facing potentially mortal danger every time a police officer pulls them over. Whatever Donald Trump and his deeply racist core of supporters believe, black men in America still do not have it made.

Deciding not to stand for the national anthem was also an explicit and intensely personal protest for the man who courageously broke the color barrier in professional sports at great cost to his pride and dignity. I'm speaking of the military veteran and lifelong Republican named Jackie Robinson, whose 1972 autobiography ends this way:


"Today as I look back on that opening game of my first world series, I must tell you that it was Mr. [Branch] Rickey's drama and that I was only a principal actor. As I write this twenty years later, I cannot stand and sing the anthem, I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world. In 1972, in 1947, at my birth in 1919, I know that I never had it made".

Read on: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42072...-for-the-anthem
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#1505432 --- 09/27/17 07:28 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: Teonan]
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Black people put themselves in the positions they are in mostly Petunia! Drop outs,drugs,to lazy to work and got their hand out for whatever they can get for free!

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#1505447 --- 09/27/17 11:20 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Black people put themselves in the positions they are in mostly Petunia! Drop outs,drugs,to lazy to work and got their hand out for whatever they can get for free!
This is what most Trump supporters believe. Trump hints at it all the time but he can't say it. That is how he keeps them in line.

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#1505477 --- 09/27/17 08:41 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: kyle585]
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Tell me it isn't true! Just look at the graduation rate in Rochester city schools as an example!

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#1505496 --- 09/28/17 07:11 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Tell me it isn't true! Just look at the graduation rate in Rochester city schools as an example!
The graduation rate from all high schools should be 99%. And no school system measures up or even comes close. I guess this has many causes: broken homes, drugs, poverty, etc. I don't know what the answer to all this is. But it would sure help if we had a president who was a uniter and not a divider.

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#1505506 --- 09/28/17 07:20 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: kyle585]
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You can't help people who don't want to help themselves!

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#1505508 --- 09/28/17 07:20 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
You can't help people who don't want to help themselves!
This is true but if you keep beating them down they tend to just give up.

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#1505584 --- 09/28/17 08:07 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: kyle585]
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They are not getting beat down!They are who they are!

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#1505597 --- 09/29/17 03:38 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
They are not getting beat down!They are who they are!
Some of them are outstanding. One was even president and is ranked the 12th best president ever! We need to treat everyone as an individual and not prejudge as a member of a group.

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#1505610 --- 09/29/17 07:39 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: kyle585]
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Yes some are outstanding! Highest uneducated,most incarcerated,highest unemployed doesn't fare well for turning things around! Obama 12th best president? Yeah ok! What a joke!

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#1505628 --- 09/29/17 08:29 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Black people put themselves in the positions they are in mostly Petunia! Drop outs,drugs,to lazy to work and got their hand out for whatever they can get for free!

Thank God white people never engage in such shenanigans! wink
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#1505632 --- 09/29/17 11:44 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Tell me it isn't true! Just look at the graduation rate in Rochester city schools as an example!

Want to talk TRUTH? Here are some Incontrovertible FACTS:

Why are students dropping out?

"One unchanging factor when it comes to the dropout rate is socioeconomic background. Since the National Center for Education Statistics first started tracking different groups of high school students in the late 1960s, the socioeconomic status of each pupil has impacted the graduation rate. Students from low-income families are 2.4 times more likely to drop out than middle-income kids, and over 10 times more likely than high-income peers to drop out"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-lynch-edd/cause-and-effect-the-high_b_6245304.html
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#1505638 --- 09/29/17 01:12 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Obama 12th best president? Yeah ok! What a joke!
As ranked by historians, not by gassy. Big difference.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149

Historians have ranked Barack Obama the 12th best president of all time, the highest rated since President Ronald Reagan, in a new C-SPAN survey released Friday.

Less than a month after exiting the White House, Obama received high marks from presidential historians for his pursuit of "equal justice for all" and for his commanding "moral authority," ranking third and seventh among all former presidents in each respective category. The 44th president also cracked a top 10 ranking for his "economic management" and public persuasion.


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#1505639 --- 09/29/17 01:16 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Yes some are outstanding! Highest uneducated,most incarcerated,highest unemployed doesn't fare well for turning things around!
A third of the people in West Virginia are on Medicaid. Their minority rate is very low.

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#1505661 --- 09/29/17 09:14 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: kyle585]
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What's West Virginia got to do with it! I don't think West Virginia has the same demographics as the nation!

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#1505679 --- 09/30/17 06:24 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
What's West Virginia got to do with it! I don't think West Virginia has the same demographics as the nation!
Correct but it shoots down you argument that all people on Medicaid are minorities.

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#1505692 --- 09/30/17 10:00 AM Re: Trump tweets [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
What's West Virginia got to do with it! I don't think West Virginia has the same demographics as the nation!
Correct but it shoots down you argument that all people on Medicaid are minorities.
Show me where I said that! But now you brought it up that is probably true!


Edited by gassy one (09/30/17 10:01 AM)

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#1505705 --- 09/30/17 12:23 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
What's West Virginia got to do with it! I don't think West Virginia has the same demographics as the nation!
Correct but it shoots down you argument that all people on Medicaid are minorities.
Show me where I said that! But now you brought it up that is probably true!
Oh you implied that a vast majority of them are minorities. It is what Trump says that is called a dog whistle.

A nursing home in Waterloo has 103 patients. 100 of them are on Medicaid. They were certainly almost all middle class hard working folks in their working years. Now their savings are all gone and they are on Medicaid.

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#1505726 --- 09/30/17 01:14 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
What's West Virginia got to do with it! I don't think West Virginia has the same demographics as the nation!
Correct but it shoots down you argument that all people on Medicaid are minorities.
Show me where I said that! But now you brought it up that is probably true!

You unmistakably implied a correlation and are now doing it again. Don't pretend otherwise
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#1505735 --- 09/30/17 01:44 PM Re: Trump tweets [Re: Timbo]
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I'm sure it is true! You're telling me it is not? When you have a graduation rate in cities like Rochester around 35% where do you think these people are headed? I'm supposed to feel sorry for these people when they can't even get an education! No wonder they live a life of crime,medicaid,drugs & no opportunities! They portray that as every bodies else's fault but their own!


Edited by gassy one (09/30/17 01:50 PM)

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