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#1504943 --- 09/21/17 08:58 AM The Extremes War for Control
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Geneva is turning into a fascist city, where both the "progressive" left and "backward" right tangle to impose their vision on the citizens of Geneva.  Personally, I'm sick of being regulated into compliance for every little blimp that shows up on some extremist's radar.

Common good sense and respect for all when dealing with most issues, preach/teach that, educate to that, strive for that and stop regulating and/or shaming people to comply with your idea of what is right.  remember the word "tolerance" people.  Stop looking for injury and overblowing things.  Look for truth and reason and negotiate with reason and good will. 

People stink!  Life is messy!  We are all sinners, we all fall short of perfection.  How about celebrating diversity and creativity in all things Geneva.  Loosen up progressives and backwards, take a breather and relax your vigilence at least a little bit.

Leave the garbage the way it was, let the shop keepers be more creative with their store fronts and street displays, let the guy with the trump sign do his thing (unless it turns into a sign war, e.g. my sign is bigger than yours).  I can't think of all the issues that have come up over the years dumb and not so dumb, hope you get the idea.

Be black, be proud, be brown, be proud, be white, be proud, be Asian be proud, be Muslim, be proud, etc, but allow the other guy/gal to stretch and celebrate who they are also, like conservative, like liberal, like gay, like straight, etc.

People have diff interests, diff lifestyles, diff goals, etc Be a diverrse community in every way.  I feel there's a war going on for my mind, your mind, our minds. I feel I'm being forced to see things in extremes when my tendency, and desire, is to be moderate and tolerant.   What about me?  Is there a place for me?

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#1504949 --- 09/21/17 09:39 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Very well written and very well said ruby2.

ANd when will the time come that City Councilor Gramling refers to himself as just that - City Councilor - not the African American City Councilor? He does a great job but he needs to remind himself he represents everyone in the City.

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#1504969 --- 09/21/17 06:41 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Couldn't agree with you more but it ain't ever going to happen. The ringleaders want to run the show and will never stop causing trouble because they are true psychopaths.
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#1504982 --- 09/21/17 09:12 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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With all due respect to the main point of this thread. People who use the term "fascist" should educate themselves to its correct meaning and use. LITERALLY many tens of millions of people died as a result of 20th century fascism and it's perhaps the greatest insult to humanity to use the term in such a casual, uneducated, throwaway manner.

Such increasing "dumbing-down" of history may actually give rise to the next great ascent of true fascism. There are many different flavors and definitions of the word, but one thing's for sure... what ruby2 is describing above categorically has NOTHING to do with it. Respectfully.

Fascism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism



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#1504993 --- 09/21/17 11:47 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Oh my, here we go, A SHAMING from Timbo and ANOTHER FORBIDDEN WORD to add to an ever growing list.  Soon there will be so many forbidden words whole books will have to be burned.  I may even be burned as a WITCH for speaking my mind using a forbidden word.

Your lesson on the history of the word in question was quite restrained for you, Timbo, and is appreciated and duly noted.  It is the only reason I'm bothering to respond to your attempt to burn a word by controlling its use.   SHAME ON YOU MISTER!

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#1505001 --- 09/22/17 04:14 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Oh my, here we go, A SHAMING from Timbo and ANOTHER FORBIDDEN WORD to add to an ever growing list.  Soon there will be so many forbidden words whole books will have to be burned.  I may even be burned as a WITCH for speaking my mind using a forbidden word.

Your lesson on the history of the word in question was quite restrained for you, Timbo, and is appreciated and duly noted.  It is the only reason I'm bothering to respond to your attempt to burn a word by controlling its use.   SHAME ON YOU MISTER!

It's not a "forbidden" word. It's a word with very specific meanings and dramatically important connotations, and considering the atrocities suffered under it's oppression, it's fair to say that at the very least it deserves proportional respect and proper usage. Ignorance, apathy and agendas to rewrite history are simply no excuse for not doing so. I believe that the holocaust is a good enough reason, don't you?

Instead of publicly nailing yourself to a cross, perhaps you should consider the millions that died and TRUELY suffered from fascism rather than retaliating for some petty, perceived slight. I didn't believe then that you deserved shaming, but I may be forced to adjust my opinion.

As a long-serving US fleet veteran, you can be most certain that I've acquitted myself honorably and free of shame with regards to this subject.

May I suggest purchasing a dictionary or word-a-day calendar as to avoid similar public faux pas. Then again, maybe a history book would be more helpful. In the end, nobody is suggesting that this word should be 'banned' as you suggest. Instead, you might simply make the effort to learn it's actual meaning.

In other words... just because you put kittens in the oven, it doesn't mean that you should call them 'biscuits'.



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#1505006 --- 09/22/17 07:34 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Timbo]
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What is this world coming to? Everybody is offended by this or that! This world is turning into a bunch of wussies! Suck it up and grow up! Things like the issues with the confederate flag are just a bunch of baloney and a excuse for people to raise hell!

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#1505007 --- 09/22/17 07:37 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Cool your jets Timbo. I wasn't all up in the word hating on the Jews and ignoring history!  Perhaps I should have used autocratic, dictatorial, or totalitarian. ... get some sleep, little fellow, your righteous outrage is misdirected.

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#1505021 --- 09/22/17 09:11 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Wickipedia, in a long article on Fascism, says this: " Following the defeat of the Axis Powers in World War II, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative, often referring to widely varying movements across the political spectrum.  George Orwell wrote in 1944 that "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'"

Dumb luck, I guess, I think I chose the right word after all when using fascist.

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#1505034 --- 09/22/17 12:59 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Wickipedia, Dumb luck, I guess, I think I chose the right word after all when using fascist.
Only if you ignore ninety nine percent of the Wikipedia Article and ALL of twentieth century history. crazy
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#1505035 --- 09/22/17 01:04 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Perhaps I should have used autocratic, dictatorial, or totalitarian

And by their easy to divine definitions, you would be equally as wrong.
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#1505036 --- 09/22/17 01:14 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
What is this world coming to? Everybody is offended by this or that! This world is turning into a bunch of wussies! Suck it up and grow up! Things like the issues with the confederate flag are just a bunch of baloney and a excuse for people to raise hell!

Whose 'offended'? I'm just disgusted by the uneducated rewriting history (intentionally or otherwise). And to that end you can fully expect that those of us with extensive, first-hand knowledge and experience with this particular obscenity. to push back HARD each and every time some clueless noob or ruiner tries to whitewash history.

So if you think that this is raising hell, then you haven't seen anything yet
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#1505038 --- 09/22/17 01:25 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Wickipedia, in a long article on Fascism, says this: " Following the defeat of the Axis Powers in World War II, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative, often referring to widely varying movements across the political spectrum.  George Orwell wrote in 1944 that "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'"

I know, I was the one who posted the link.

While it's good that you took the time to read the only part within, that even remotely comes close to defending your inappropriate use of the word... it's unfortunate that you conveniently excluded the other 99% that doesn't. Historical context being the foremost example.
I would wholeheartedly agree that the word 'bully' would have been a better choice. Perhaps you should lead with that next time. As I said above... 'words have meaning' and you weren't being shamed. You were being educated by someone who knows better. Learn or don't, but don't attack those who have.

I digress.

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#1505045 --- 09/22/17 02:10 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
What is this world coming to? Everybody is offended by this or that! This world is turning into a bunch of wussies! Suck it up and grow up! Things like the issues with the confederate flag are just a bunch of baloney and a excuse for people to raise hell!

What is this world coming to when history no longer matters and people's overblown sense of self-entitlement turns them into "out"house scholars who delude themselves into believing that their uneducated and unreflected OPINIONS somehow qualify as facts??? crazy
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#1505052 --- 09/22/17 03:47 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Cool your jets Timbo. I wasn't all up in the word hating on the Jews and ignoring history!  Perhaps I should have used autocratic, dictatorial, or totalitarian. ... get some sleep, little fellow, your righteous outrage is misdirected.



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#1505056 --- 09/22/17 07:38 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: young guns]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Cool your jets Timbo. I wasn't all up in the word hating on the Jews and ignoring history!  Perhaps I should have used autocratic, dictatorial, or totalitarian. ... get some sleep, little fellow, your righteous outrage is misdirected.

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Interesting point since WWII Fascists were decidedly NOT cold war Viet Nam.

Thanks for the Kristofferson reprise. Gotta love the man!
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#1505061 --- 09/22/17 11:26 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
What is this world coming to? Everybody is offended by this or that! This world is turning into a bunch of wussies! Suck it up and grow up! Things like the issues with the confederate flag are just a bunch of baloney and a excuse for people to raise hell!

What is this world coming to when history no longer matters and people's overblown sense of self-entitlement turns them into "out"house scholars who delude themselves into believing that their uneducated and unreflected OPINIONS somehow qualify as facts??? crazy
Speaking of Wussies!

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#1505119 --- 09/23/17 05:24 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
What is this world coming to? Everybody is offended by this or that! This world is turning into a bunch of wussies! Suck it up and grow up! Things like the issues with the confederate flag are just a bunch of baloney and a excuse for people to raise hell!

What is this world coming to when history no longer matters and people's overblown sense of self-entitlement turns them into "out"house scholars who delude themselves into believing that their uneducated and unreflected OPINIONS somehow qualify as facts??? crazy
Speaking of Wussies!

Speaking of outhouse scholars. crazy
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#1505126 --- 09/23/17 06:41 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Timbo]
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Go slow Timbo. Remember, your trying to communicating with a bowling ball.
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#1505131 --- 09/23/17 09:30 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Go slow Timbo. Remember, your trying to communicating with a bowling ball.
Idiots like you & Timbo have made this country a bunch of pansies! Garbage people who think this country owes them a living! You know the Ithaca kind of people!

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#1505132 --- 09/23/17 09:35 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Teonan

Go slow Timbo. Remember, your trying to communicating with a bowling ball.
Idiots like you & Timbo have made this country a bunch of pansies! Garbage people who think this country owes them a living! You know the Ithaca kind of people!

Rantings of an ignorant manchild. Don't be scared homie. laugh
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#1505138 --- 09/23/17 09:46 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Teonan

Go slow Timbo. Remember, your trying to communicating with a bowling ball.
Idiots like you & Timbo have made this country a bunch of pansies! Garbage people who think this country owes them a living! You know the Ithaca kind of people!

Rantings of an ignorant manchild. Don't be scared homie. laugh
Just telling it like it is! I can hear you crying now! I'm so offended! LOL!

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#1505140 --- 09/23/17 09:50 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Teonan

Go slow Timbo. Remember, your trying to communicating with a bowling ball.
Idiots like you & Timbo have made this country a bunch of pansies! Garbage people who think this country owes them a living! You know the Ithaca kind of people!

Rantings of an ignorant manchild. Don't be scared homie. laugh
Just telling it like it is! I can hear you crying now! I'm so offended! LOL!


Hahaha. laugh

You really haven't reached puberty have ya.
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#1505144 --- 09/23/17 10:10 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Teonan]
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I'm so offended!

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#1505148 --- 09/23/17 10:21 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
I'm so "offensive"


Fify.
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#1505150 --- 09/23/17 10:45 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Teonan]
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Cry baby cry! Little petunia!


Edited by gassy one (09/23/17 10:46 PM)

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#1505285 --- 09/25/17 04:11 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan

Go slow Timbo. Remember, your trying to communicating with a bowling ball.

Are you saying that he'd be more useful if he were thrown down an alley? grin
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#1505291 --- 09/25/17 04:26 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Timbo]
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It's harder to deal with a bunch of wussie pansies like you two! I'm so OFFENDED! WAH! WAH!

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#1505306 --- 09/25/17 09:04 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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I would hope you men, with your extreme childish minds, and pettiness, weren't representative of who we are as a people today, but I fear you are in the majority.  You seem incapable of reflection, empathy , courtesy, honesty, kindness, real dialogue, compromise, concession, remorse.  It's sad and pathetic.  You don't have opinions or ideas, just rageful desires, hate.  The 7 deadly sins swirl around in you unchecked or even acknowledged.  Easily outraged and offended, you lash out at anyone with a dissenting opinion.  You lack good character and the true pride and compassion that goes with it, otherwise you would not post the things you do. Brutal, unkind and stupid is how I see all of you.

Now go ahead and hate on me for that, it's expected ..

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#1505307 --- 09/25/17 10:21 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Easily outraged and offended, you lash out at anyone with a dissenting opinion.

She says while clutching her pearls.

No one 'hates on you' as you put it. But I would submit that when one is insensitive in their improper use of the language in spite of historical context, or when opinion is passed off as fact, outrage and offense are likely the inevitable outcome.

I strongly suspect that what you describe as 'lashing out' could also reasonably be interpreted by others as righteous indignation. To say that those you're referencing offer no ideas is simply absurd, as a cursory glance at the many forum threads will clearly demonstrate. You can bet that men hold no exclusive claim to petty childishness, rageful desires OR hate.

"Good Character" means different things to different people, and the argument could certainly be made that hypocrisy and sanctimony are also 'character deficits'. As such, your own responses to other's opinions hardly differentiate you from 'the men' if you would but earnestly look in a mirror.

You can take this as a hateful attack or you can see it for what it truly is... a sincerely reasoned debate perspective, attempting to illustrate the fact that not everyone views the world the in same way, and that EVERYBODY is 'guilty of EACH of the seven deadly sins, be they man or woman, devout Christian or otherwise.

If you look for flaws in the landscape, you can bet that you'll find them. I hope there's some perspective to be found here.
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#1505310 --- 09/25/17 11:45 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Once again, Timbo, you pick on a word here, a sentence there, then go off the trail pontificating and inventing as you see fit.  No relation to anything I said, not even half truth.  A sly lie.   Re the "men" reference, I believe the only participants on this thread were myself and several so-called "men". Are you not a man, of sorts?  I was being kind when I referred to you as "men" after reading your petty back and forth with the others of your kind?  And all that other "stuff" you were saying, just bla bla nonsence that had nothing to do with content and I certainly don't consider it an intelligent response to my post.  You are manipulative. You have convinced me you are a fascist.

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#1505319 --- 09/26/17 03:55 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
You have convinced me you are a fascist.

Well, with your apparent disregard for actual vocabulary definitions, it's not surprising that you're unable to divine the meaning behind my statements and by extension, there's little doubt that you could convince yourself of virtually anything. wink

Now, back on topic, shall we?
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#1505341 --- 09/26/17 08:42 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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I "divine" you take what people say, you give it the "Timbo Twist", assign that twisted version of what they said back to them and then you rail, pontificate, rage and indignate against your own "Twist" which has little to do with them.

Usually, in a good back and forth conversation on any subject heated or not, if some word or phrase is unclear, one asks the other individual to please clarify.

You, on the other hand,  take a word they used and/or put words in their mouth, assign your meaning to them, and proceed to build a false argument against them. No clarification needed or wanted.  Now that's manipulative and faschist and an ugly business. I divine, it speaks for itself and is a "tell" for who you are inside.

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#1505352 --- 09/26/17 10:32 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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#1505365 --- 09/26/17 03:30 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Wow, Ruby... all this because someone pointed out that you used a word improperly then they suggested that another term might have been less insensitive and therefore more appropriate. A simple "you're right, I hadn't thought of that and will make the effort in the future to say what I really mean" would have sufficed.

Who's the outraged and easily offended one now?

- Matthew 7:5
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#1505367 --- 09/26/17 03:31 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: tubby]
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I'll take arrogant and right over arrogant and ignorant ANY day.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tubby grin
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#1505388 --- 09/26/17 05:02 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Timbo]
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Ignorant yes!

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#1505391 --- 09/26/17 05:16 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Dumbo, you are exhausting and not worth further effort.  All I can say is wrong, wrong, wrong. 

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#1505395 --- 09/26/17 05:59 PM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: ruby2]
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Originally Posted By: ruby2
Dumbo, you are exhausting and not worth further effort.

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"You seem incapable of reflection, empathy , courtesy, honesty, kindness, real dialogue, compromise, concession, remorse."

And yet, here you are with personal attacks and name calling.

The defense rests.

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#1505423 --- 09/27/17 06:27 AM Re: The Extremes War for Control [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: ruby2
Dumbo, you are exhausting and not worth further effort.

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"You seem incapable of reflection, empathy , courtesy, honesty, kindness, real dialogue, compromise, concession, remorse."

And yet, here you are with personal attacks and name calling.

The defense rests.


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