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#1504863 --- 09/19/17 10:19 AM Bad news for SMI
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#1504865 --- 09/19/17 12:40 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Festus]
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I would assume this means that SMI restarts their lawsuit to overturn LL3.

What happens if the town board simply votes to not oppose the lawsuit?

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#1504878 --- 09/19/17 06:34 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Festus]
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My question is, who forgot to pay off the judge?

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#1505053 --- 09/22/17 03:53 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Festus]
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you were not brought into this world you were found on a porch at Christmas Time several,several years ago my friend.


Edited by young guns (09/22/17 03:54 PM)
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#1505321 --- 09/26/17 06:35 AM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Kells]
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Originally Posted By: Kells
My question is, who forgot to pay off the judge?
GEE, I was thinking just the opposite. I'm wondering who paid off the judge.
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#1505978 --- 10/04/17 11:44 AM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Festus]
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No one paid anyone off. Local Law 3 was well-written and researched based on existing case law from other communities with similar laws on the books. It was a sound law. Local Law 2 was hastily written and passed with very little public input. It was entirely a knee-jerk reaction and it was riddled with mistakes. The dump got scared and their puppet Lazzaro jumped for them. That's why it did not hold up in court. That's why an actual judge (not a town board member) threw it out and reinstated the entirely legal Local Law 3.
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#1505996 --- 10/04/17 08:15 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Wolf King]
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Blah, blah, blah ! Nobody gets the environmental review right the first time around. The local law 2 will be back on the books in no time. Local Law 3 was approved by appointed council members who lost when it came time for them to actually be elected.
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#1506003 --- 10/04/17 10:53 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Festus]
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"Blah, blah, blah"? That is your rebuttal? As I already stated, LL3 was well-written and passed based on what other communities have already done. It holds up. That's why a judge reinstated it. LL2 was done without a full SEQRA positive declaration. The only way LL2 could legally go back into effect is if the town board made a positive declaration that YES mega-landfills have severe and prolonged detrimental effects to the environment. This elicits a much more in-depth and intensive review, as it should. It requires serious research into the detrimental effects and how they should be remedied. It will take many months, as it should. I would hardly call that "back on the books in no time". And the two board members who helped enact the law were appointed at the time by the town supervisor. They did not need to be elected and the fact that they lost the subsequent election is of no consequence. They were members of the board at the time and their vote was entirely legal and legitimate. Again, that's why the judge ruled to reinstate the legal and community-protecting LL3. It was legal in the first place. Why are you so in favor of LL2, anyway? Do you believe that landfill can go on forever? Don't you agree that it should have an end date, that Seneca Falls should begin to plan for a time when they are no longer getting their landfill injection in the arm? No landfill goes on forever. They all close at some point. Better to prepare for it now instead of waiting until it's gone and the economy is in shambles because no one planned out the budgets and finances without the largest landfill in the state giving our own tax dollars (given to them as community benefits) back to us in the form of "donations".
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#1506039 --- 10/05/17 01:09 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Wolf King]
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The judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.
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#1506042 --- 10/05/17 01:37 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Th judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.
Instead of Canada sending their trash here, a different ideal location would seem to be 200 miles north of Toronto where almost no one lives for miles around.

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#1506050 --- 10/05/17 08:27 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: kyle585]
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Very little of SMI trash comes from Canada!

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#1506068 --- 10/05/17 09:25 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
"Blah, blah, blah"? That is your rebuttal?

"Wolf King"... allow me to introduce "scwoodchuck". smirk
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#1506072 --- 10/06/17 12:23 AM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Very little of SMI trash comes from Canada!
Why does any come from Canada all? A country larger than the USA with a very small population and huge empty spaces.

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#1506115 --- 10/06/17 02:28 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Th judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.
Instead of Canada sending their trash here, a different ideal location would seem to be 200 miles north of Toronto where almost no one lives for miles around.
Remote places in Canada are reserved for TOXIC waste from the United States grin
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#1506120 --- 10/06/17 03:34 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Th judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.
Instead of Canada sending their trash here, a different ideal location would seem to be 200 miles north of Toronto where almost no one lives for miles around.
Remote places in Canada are reserved for TOXIC waste from the United States grin
The Canadians are smarter than us.

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#1506121 --- 10/06/17 03:46 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
The judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.


He ordered LL3 to go back on the books, which it has:

http://fingerlakes1.com/2017/09/18/rulin...k-on-the-books/

You might want to take two seconds to do a little research before you make entirely false claims.
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#1506122 --- 10/06/17 03:49 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Th judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.
Instead of Canada sending their trash here, a different ideal location would seem to be 200 miles north of Toronto where almost no one lives for miles around.
Remote places in Canada are reserved for TOXIC waste from the United States grin




SMI accepts toxic waste. They accepted radioactive spent drill casings from hydraulic fracturing operations in Pennsylvania. They actively accept asbestos. The leachate produced in those mountains is EXTREMELY toxic. In fact, if that leachate is not toxic, nothing is. And this is to say nothing of the totally unknown substances coming in on those trucks on a daily basis. No one has any clue what potentially toxic substances are contained in all those bags. Do not try to tell me that landfill is not toxic.
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#1506133 --- 10/06/17 05:51 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Wolf King]
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And we are going to be hit by an asteroid at midnight.
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#1506137 --- 10/06/17 06:00 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Th judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.
Instead of Canada sending their trash here, a different ideal location would seem to be 200 miles north of Toronto where almost no one lives for miles around.
Remote places in Canada are reserved for TOXIC waste from the United States grin
The Canadians are smarter than us.
You can't imagine how much money they make taking stuff that is only dangerous in someone's imagination.


Edited by scwoodchuck (10/06/17 06:02 PM)
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#1506140 --- 10/06/17 06:38 PM Re: Bad news for SMI [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Th judge ruled that the SEQRA had to be done over, he never reinstated anything. Closing a landfill and building a new one or sending more trash someplace else doesn't protect anything it just puts the problem in a different location.
Instead of Canada sending their trash here, a different ideal location would seem to be 200 miles north of Toronto where almost no one lives for miles around.
Remote places in Canada are reserved for TOXIC waste from the United States grin




SMI accepts toxic waste. They accepted radioactive spent drill casings from hydraulic fracturing operations in Pennsylvania. They actively accept asbestos. The leachate produced in those mountains is EXTREMELY toxic. In fact, if that leachate is not toxic, nothing is. And this is to say nothing of the totally unknown substances coming in on those trucks on a daily basis. No one has any clue what potentially toxic substances are contained in all those bags. Do not try to tell me that landfill is not toxic.
U have no clue!


Edited by gassy one (10/06/17 06:39 PM)

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