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#1504859 --- 09/18/17 09:28 PM Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why?
Lee Alias Offline
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As the years pass many of SF Neighborhoods show deteriorate, WHY?? Homes not being kept-up. People not taking pride in their properties. Abandon homes, etc. Are Our town boards not committed to enforcing codes/laws? The days of the Historical District went too far, to enforce home colors or types of building materials, etc. However, today drive down Millerd St., Mynderse St, Fall St. and Ovid St.for example; for many "nice" homes there is a "bad" home/property. Talking with other home owners, throughout the town, they see the same thing(s). You don't see this in Ken-Mor or College Hieghts, why?

Looking for your input.


Edited by Lee Alias (09/18/17 09:28 PM)

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#1504906 --- 09/20/17 10:42 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Lee Alias]
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Improve your property and your assessment/taxes increase. Out of control local government unable to curb spending. Uncertain about the future, living conditions, and property values of/in a town in the shadow of a massive, stinking dump.
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#1504915 --- 09/20/17 04:22 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Ghosts]
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Someone once said " IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID " the whole state of New York has the same problem. Funny thing is that places without landfills are actually worse.
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#1504917 --- 09/20/17 04:39 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Ghosts]
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#1504926 --- 09/20/17 06:36 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Lee Alias]
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Government at state, county, town and village level all played a role.

Long before the mountain of trash, sorry that this isn't about that, Seneca Falls failed economically.

Sylvania
Wescott
Seneca Army Depot
Seneca Knitting Mill
Goulds jobs to Cayuga County
Coca Cola
Guaranteed Parts

Thousands of jobs. It is about as simple as it gets.

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#1504929 --- 09/20/17 07:37 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Top Dog]
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Lets not forget the companies that were turned away because they might be bad for Seneca Falls including a car manufacturer, wind farm...just saying....

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#1504937 --- 09/21/17 07:25 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Top Dog]
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The number one job killer was the environmental movement. Certain politicians used people's ignorance of science and technology for their own personal gain. The EPA and the DEC were a big reason NEW YORK'S economy went to hell.
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#1504941 --- 09/21/17 08:04 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
The number one job killer was the environmental movement. Certain politicians used people's ignorance of science and technology for their own personal gain. The EPA and the DEC were a big reason NEW YORK'S economy went to hell.
The EPA operates at the national level. Yet our national economy has been growing ever since Bush's recession of 2008.

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#1504948 --- 09/21/17 09:27 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: kyle585]
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crazyeconomically New York State was #1 now it's #50


Edited by Hello_Governer (09/21/17 09:30 AM)
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#1504953 --- 09/21/17 10:25 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
crazyeconomically New York State was #1 now it's #50
It was #1? How long ago was that?

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#1504958 --- 09/21/17 11:47 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
The number one job killer was the environmental movement. Certain politicians used people's ignorance of science and technology for their own personal gain. The EPA and the DEC were a big reason NEW YORK'S economy went to hell.
The EPA operates at the national level. Yet our national economy has been growing ever since Bush's recession of 2008.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436001/are-clintons-real-housing-crash-villains
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#1504964 --- 09/21/17 02:34 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Lee Alias]
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Imagine how different the status of industry would be if the government had helped polluters fund the abatement needed.

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#1504966 --- 09/21/17 04:17 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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As usual you are grossly uninformed.
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#1505004 --- 09/22/17 05:35 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
crazyeconomically New York State was #1 now it's #50
Actually NEW York is still number 3 when NEW York city is included, Upstate by itself is #50.
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#1505005 --- 09/22/17 05:41 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Ghosts]
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Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Improve your property and your assessment/taxes increase. Out of control local government unable to curb spending. Uncertain about the future, living conditions, and property values of/in a town in the shadow of a massive, stinking dump.
fact is people don't like neighbors. People don't have respect for one another anymore. We have become a nation of inconsiderate slobs.
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#1505057 --- 09/22/17 08:41 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Lee Alias]
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For the most part, the houses that are deteriorating are houses that have been turned into rental properties.
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#1505079 --- 09/23/17 06:42 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Lee Alias]
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Seneca Falls is a dead zone. It stinks and it's toxic! Literally! Who wants to invest in a stinky unfriendly place? Look at all the empty stores. There isn't enough business to support a business. Not much hope for this stupid place! Goulds will be gone sooner or later. Then what? Better sell while you can!

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#1505121 --- 09/23/17 05:30 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
The number one job killer was the environmental movement. Certain politicians used people's ignorance of science and technology for their own personal gain. The EPA and the DEC were a big reason NEW YORK'S economy went to hell.
The EPA operates at the national level. Yet our national economy has been growing ever since Bush's recession of 2008.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436001/are-clintons-real-housing-crash-villains

Make NO mistake... house flippers triggered the US housing market crash, not poor subprime borrowers.

The grim tale of America’s “subprime mortgage crisis” delivers one of those stinging moral slaps that Americans seem to favor in their histories. Poor people were reckless and stupid, banks got greedy. Layer in some Wall Street dark arts, and there you have it: a global financial crisis. Dark arts notwithstanding, that’s not what really happened, though:

More:
https://qz.com/1064061/house-flippers-tr...ew-study-shows/
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#1505142 --- 09/23/17 10:05 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Timbo]
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You're just trying to cover Hilary's butt! Which is a BIG job! LOL!


Edited by gassy one (09/23/17 10:06 PM)

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#1505163 --- 09/24/17 11:38 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
You're just trying to cover Hilary's butt! Which is a BIG job! LOL!

No... just separating fact from fiction. You might try it some time.
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#1505165 --- 09/24/17 11:43 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Timbo]
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The trouble is you have no idea what a fact is in your lefty weanie way!


Edited by gassy one (09/24/17 11:44 AM)

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#1505274 --- 09/25/17 02:19 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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It would have been different had financial assistance been provided to help polluters clean up, but no that was not done. As an example I submit the case of the JJ Rogers Paper Co. in Ausable Forks, NY. The paper mill closed when anti pollution regulations prevented further waste disposal in the Ausable River. The closure created havoc. Had there been funding to help them clean up the story would have changed.

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#1505289 --- 09/25/17 04:21 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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https://m.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.193187340724053.48067.125588860817235&type=3

http://www.adirondackalmanack.com/2011/07/a-short-history-of-johns-brook-lodge.html

GEE, you couldn't have picked a worse company to complain about. Do you realize the company started in the 1820s ? Now it's a tourist destination !
Access and reservation information can be found online.

Illustrations: Above, Johns Brook Lodge (photo courtesy ADK); below, a map of the Johns Brook Primitive Area included with the High Peaks Wilderness Complex UMP.

Sources: The May/June 2000 edition of Adirondac celebrated JBL with several articles including “Johns Brook Lodge: A Short History” by Bob Grimm. Also, the High Peaks Wilderness Complex UMP, The Forest Preserve by Eleanor Brown, Guides of the Adirondacks by Charles Brumley, Barbara McMartin’s Great Forests of the Adirondacks, and the ADK’s JBL Master Plan.



Edited by scwoodchuck (09/25/17 04:44 PM)
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#1505403 --- 09/26/17 07:26 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Lee Alias]
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Tourism dollars are better than no dollars....and the transition took time. So nice to hear that there was a turn around. I would submit that it didn't have to be that way. Polluting industries were squeezed and left to pollute where there were no restrictions. Luckily the Ausable River watershed and Lake Champlain were spared. Yet the factory could have continued to sustain the community if our politicians had had the intestinal fortitude to commit to funding pollution abatement. But no, the firms left. China and Mexico get to choke down those poisons now. Not that you care. As long as it isn't here, right? Or maybe you support more pollution here. Those pesky regulations are the problem. If we could just pour the benzene down the sink.....isn't that the reality? In Seneca Falls jobs left and the impact on the economy has been devastating. Neighborhoods are deteriorating because the folks that own the houses have lost their economic advantage. And no matter what ,tourism wages don't pay like manufacturing wages. The transition to a tourist economy is fraught with unanticipated expense.

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#1505433 --- 09/27/17 08:51 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Tourism causes polution too. Try to get into your twisted little mind that people cause polution and when you have millions of people visiting the Finger Lakes they create a tremendous amount of trash and air polution.
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#1505459 --- 09/27/17 03:40 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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I'm sure China will survive the pollution better than we will survive the shrinking economy.
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#1505468 --- 09/27/17 08:23 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Tourism causes polution too. Try to get into your twisted little mind that people cause polution and when you have millions of people visiting the Finger Lakes they create a tremendous amount of trash and air polution.
Plus all the vineyards polluting the lakes with runoff causing algae blooms!

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#1506032 --- 10/05/17 09:57 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Lee Alias]
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From Bryne Dairy to Nice And Easy there is only two houses that are kept up and very pleasant....I see that one of those is up for sale...wouldn't want to live next to that string of dumps.
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#1506036 --- 10/05/17 12:57 PM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: cortez]
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I agree however there are more then 2 homes. Did you notice the house or apartment building across from Byrne's had broken furniture, etc on the curb for days, last week? That tells me the Town doesn't care...welcome to SF!!!

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#1506527 --- 10/13/17 07:24 AM Re: Seneca Falls Deteriorating Neighborhoods - Why? [Re: Top Dog]
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Your right on target. There is no finacial security in seneca county as a whole. People have to travel outside the county to look for work that gives you 40 hours a week and not seasonal. Not saying thete isnt any jobs, but not so you can afford to pay to live. People can and will move closer to their jobs. But its much more than just a job thing. Theres a lot of things that factor into the decline of our communities. And sadly we arent the only communities hit by this decline, its hitting all over america.
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