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#1504792 --- 09/15/17 08:36 AM Is hate among us? Oh my!
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http://fingerlakes1.com/2017/09/14/reports-geneva-officer-posted-racist-memes-to-facebook/

http://www.fltimes.com/news/city-cop-s-f...m_medium=social

What is going on in our fair (pardon the pun) city?!

I saw the city's Facebook post about the city not tolerating bigotry and being deverse etc. and wondered what was going on.

I remember when a city employee created a gigantic Trump/Pence yard sign before the election. That action was the catalyst for so many conversations across the community. Was the sign legal? It appeared to be - and, to be fair, a similar sign supporting the candidacy of City Councilor Gordon Eddington had been hanged in the same yard the year before. Was it in poor taste, an affront to the many citizens of Geneva who embrace diversity over the ethnocentrism being touted then by the Trump campaign? Opinions were mixed, but many seemed to come out against it for its sheer size. When balloons were hung for Trump's birthday on the same property, it seemed overkill to many. Then white supremacists in Virginia actually killed someone protesting Nazis, and the people rabidly supporting Trump went into the shadows a bit.

The shadows, I've said all along, is the last place we want these people. And now, it seems, another city employee with Trump-like views may have been brought into the light. There will almost certainly be spirited debate, again. First amendment rights to post material as racist/xenophobic as one wants to post on his or her own time? Or does the city have a responsibility to ensure that those who represent it don't hold - or, at least, publicly express - these types of beliefs? Hmm.

At least one thing should be clear: the fact that a city employee felt so comfortable posting a huuuuuuge Trump yard billboard, and birthday balloon yard celebration... and the fact that a city police officer felt so comfortable posting confederate flags and "trust me, I'm white" messages on Facebook... may just be an indication that holding these types of beliefs isn't as frowned upon within the City of Geneva as some expressed here that they wished it to be.

We'll all be waiting and watching to see what happens next. In the meantime I sure hope people will take the city manager up on his request. If you witness discrimination, harassment, racism, or hate speech, report it to a city councilman or leader.

And I'll add this: report it to EVERY city councilman. And every city leader. And to the Finger Lakes Times, and FingerLakes1, and the Geneva Believer, and [insert any new publications here]. Share it on Facebook, even. Our goal should be to bring people expressing racist, bigoted, and/or homophobic views into the light.


Edited by Kells (09/15/17 08:37 AM)

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#1504804 --- 09/15/17 07:55 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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This person has a legal right to express his opinions on his own time whether you like the message or not! These are his first amendment rights! No where have I seen that his comments were posted on city time or affected his job performance! Just because you don't like the message doesn't give you the right to censor it!

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#1504806 --- 09/16/17 06:06 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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You being offended doesn't negate others right to free speech.
There are extremists on BOTH sides.
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#1504807 --- 09/16/17 08:23 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Roadtrip2nowhere]
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Originally Posted By: Roadtrip2nowhere
There are extremists on BOTH sides.

Extremism in the fight AGAINST bigotry and racism is NOT comparable to the extremism OF bigotry and racism. Not even close.
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#1504808 --- 09/16/17 08:25 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
This person has a legal right to express his opinions on his own time whether you like the message or not! These are his first amendment rights! No where have I seen that his comments were posted on city time or affected his job performance! Just because you don't like the message doesn't give you the right to censor it!

He does NOT have the right to violate the city's sign ordinances. As has already been pointed out, he was indeed in violation of multiple codes.
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#1504814 --- 09/16/17 09:03 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
This person has a legal right to express his opinions on his own time whether you like the message or not! These are his first amendment rights! No where have I seen that his comments were posted on city time or affected his job performance! Just because you don't like the message doesn't give you the right to censor it!

He does NOT have the right to violate the city's sign ordinances. As has already been pointed out, he was indeed in violation of multiple codes.
Where did you get that he was in violation ? Are you inventing your own facts again ?
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#1504818 --- 09/16/17 10:49 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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Police officersare supposed to treat everyone fairly. If one is posting online about a propensity to discriminate against minorities, that's a cause for concern.

That being said, sometimes people make dumb jokes that don't reflect how they actually behave on the job.

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#1504824 --- 09/16/17 01:23 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: scwoodchuck]
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The sign violated size and placement restrictions, as well as those limiting the length of time signs can be displayed.

Think you can wrap your little head around that concept?
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#1504825 --- 09/16/17 07:02 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Wrap your little head around this-
http://www.fltimes.com/news/update-horn-...d443e47a46.html

"UPDATE: Horn says city resident's huge Trump sign is legal"


Edited by scwoodchuck (09/16/17 07:03 PM)
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#1504828 --- 09/16/17 10:03 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
This person has a legal right to express his opinions on his own time whether you like the message or not! These are his first amendment rights! No where have I seen that his comments were posted on city time or affected his job performance! Just because you don't like the message doesn't give you the right to censor it!

He does NOT have the right to violate the city's sign ordinances. As has already been pointed out, he was indeed in violation of multiple codes.
Two different people! If you don't know what you are talking about don't comment! I guess that means bye bye for you! LOL!

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#1504830 --- 09/16/17 10:06 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

The sign violated size and placement restrictions, as well as those limiting the length of time signs can be displayed.

Think you can wrap your little head around that concept?
Obviously you can't get it right! OH BOY!

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#1504841 --- 09/17/17 03:01 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
This person has a legal right to express his opinions on his own time whether you like the message or not! These are his first amendment rights! No where have I seen that his comments were posted on city time or affected his job performance! Just because you don't like the message doesn't give you the right to censor it!

Wrong. An individual does not have the right to public obscenity. It depend on whether or not the speech is ruled to be obscene. Certain hate speech CAN and occasionally is. But hate speech itself is not limited under the Constitution.
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#1504842 --- 09/17/17 03:01 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

The sign violated size and placement restrictions, as well as those limiting the length of time signs can be displayed.

Think you can wrap your little head around that concept?
Obviously you can't get it right! OH BOY!

Obviously you didn't read the first post of this thread.
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#1504843 --- 09/17/17 03:05 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wrap your little head around this-
http://www.fltimes.com/news/update-horn-...d443e47a46.html

"UPDATE: Horn says city resident's huge Trump sign is legal"

I've read the codes and and I've seen the sign, both repeatedly. The sign did NOT meet the size, location and time restrictions.

Horn is wrong. Period.
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#1504844 --- 09/17/17 03:09 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
This person has a legal right to express his opinions on his own time whether you like the message or not! These are his first amendment rights! No where have I seen that his comments were posted on city time or affected his job performance! Just because you don't like the message doesn't give you the right to censor it!

Not without limitations and not when it threatens to undermine the "brand"or ability to carry out your employer's primary function. Especially in the case of public servants.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/...html/?a=viewall
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#1504845 --- 09/17/17 09:49 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

The sign violated size and placement restrictions, as well as those limiting the length of time signs can be displayed.

Think you can wrap your little head around that concept?
Obviously you can't get it right! OH BOY!

Obviously you didn't read the first post of this thread.
Obviously you have no clue as usual!

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#1504846 --- 09/17/17 09:51 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wrap your little head around this-
http://www.fltimes.com/news/update-horn-...d443e47a46.html

"UPDATE: Horn says city resident's huge Trump sign is legal"

I've read the codes and and I've seen the sign, both repeatedly. The sign did NOT meet the size, location and time restrictions.

Horn is wrong. Period.
In your opinion which amounts to zilch!

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#1504847 --- 09/18/17 05:34 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Timbo, I suggest you go to the Geneva Believers blog where they only allow one sided propaganda and block and delete any opposing views or anything that may resemble the truth. grin
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#1504848 --- 09/18/17 05:48 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wrap your little head around this-
http://www.fltimes.com/news/update-horn-...d443e47a46.html

"UPDATE: Horn says city resident's huge Trump sign is legal"

I've read the codes and and I've seen the sign, both repeatedly. The sign did NOT meet the size, location and time restrictions.

Horn is wrong. Period.
Did you read this, " City Manager Matt Horn said the sign is legal, but he is unsure whether its illumination abides by city codes.

“Political signs are specifically exempted from the city code/zoning text regulations,” he said Saturday. “ So you can't even read a 2 sentence quote from the newspaper and you want us to believe that you read the codes and understood them perfectly.
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#1506862 --- 10/20/17 06:22 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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What I don’t understand is that the city counsel is going after a gpd officers job for his comments 5 years ago, but city counselor Marino had three arrestable domestic violence incidents and is still on the city counsel!!! How is this fair?
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#1506867 --- 10/20/17 10:22 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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Because Mr. Marino does not have the legal authority and backing of the U.S. court system to put a bullet in another person's head on a whim, probably.
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#1506868 --- 10/20/17 11:20 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Originally Posted By: Mr. 2U
What I don’t understand is that the city counsel is going after a gpd officers job for his comments 5 years ago, but city counselor Marino had three arrestable domestic violence incidents and is still on the city counsel!!! How is this fair?


Good point, city council should call for an investigation into why GPD let Marino get away with criminal behavior after they get done investigating the racist cop.

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#1506874 --- 10/21/17 07:30 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Because Mr. Marino does not have the legal authority and backing of the U.S. court system to put a bullet in another person's head on a whim, probably.
Marino is a female
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#1506887 --- 10/21/17 01:32 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Wrap your little head around this-
http://www.fltimes.com/news/update-horn-...d443e47a46.html

"UPDATE: Horn says city resident's huge Trump sign is legal"

I've read the codes and and I've seen the sign, both repeatedly. The sign did NOT meet the size, location and time restrictions.

Horn is wrong. Period.
Did you read this, " City Manager Matt Horn said the sign is legal, but he is unsure whether its illumination abides by city codes.

“Political signs are specifically exempted from the city code/zoning text regulations,” he said Saturday. “ So you can't even read a 2 sentence quote from the newspaper and you want us to believe that you read the codes and understood them perfectly.

Political signs are STILL restricted by size, time and location parameters.
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#1506891 --- 10/21/17 03:41 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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[/quote]Political signs are STILL restricted by size, time and location parameters. [/quote]
crazy dead issue


Edited by Hello_Governer (10/21/17 03:45 PM)
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#1506892 --- 10/21/17 06:28 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
dead issue

Not according to 'chuckles", it isn't.

Additionally, facts are never a "dead issue".
whistle
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#1506901 --- 10/21/17 08:56 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Unless they're your facts. In which case at least they smell dead.
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#1506911 --- 10/22/17 12:16 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Unless they're your facts. In which case at least they smell dead.

Go ahead... challenge my facts. Give it your best shot, tuff-guy. I DARE you. cool
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#1506923 --- 10/22/17 06:05 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Unless they're your facts. In which case at least they smell dead.

Go ahead... challenge my facts. Give it your best shot, tuff-guy. I DARE you. cool
Seems that both you and wolf king have anger issues. May I suggest some anger management therapy.
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#1506936 --- 10/22/17 11:45 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: scwoodchuck]
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And it seems to us that YOU and The GOV have some major honesty issues. I'd suggest that you bone up on the value of developing some personal integrity.
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#1506948 --- 10/22/17 03:40 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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crazy were you trained by Trailblazers, you know the far left political action committee ? That is one of their tactics, lie and call everyone else a liar.


Edited by Hello_Governer (10/22/17 03:44 PM)
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#1506949 --- 10/22/17 04:16 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
crazy were you trained by Trailblazers, you know the far left political action committee ? That is one of their tactics, lie and call everyone else a liar.

And yet, each and every time that you're provided the opportunity to point out a single specific incidence of me allegedly lying, you fail to provide the tiniest crumb of evidence to support your asinine allegations.

So, who's the liar, here?
crazy
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#1506955 --- 10/22/17 06:54 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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You are! Everybody knows that! LOL!

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#1507007 --- 10/23/17 10:01 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
crazy were you trained by Trailblazers, you know the far left political action committee ? That is one of their tactics, lie and call everyone else a liar.

And yet, each and every time that you're provided the opportunity to point out a single specific incidence of me allegedly lying, you fail to provide the tiniest crumb of evidence to support your asinine allegations.

So, who's the liar, here?
crazy
Originally Posted By: gassy one
You are! Everybody knows that! LOL!

Yup! Just like THAT!
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#1507029 --- 10/23/17 08:19 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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That's right!

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#1508276 --- 11/06/17 01:32 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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This city is just full of hypocrisy and lies by the government.
City Council is a joke and as corrupt as they come.
The city manager turns his head for his friends and the chief that doesn't even live in the city and took money for relocation but never relocated.
We have a city council woman that was recorded abusing her wife and saying that the police wouldn't help because they don't like gay people and she openly admits to sexual relations with police officers and uses this to intimidate her wife.
Another council man that poisoned the city for years and may have also made money from it and he is still sitting there making decisions for the city.

I can remember when Mark Gramling was running for council and D'Amico was harassing him on facebook and bullying him openly. Not once did the mayor or city manager come out publically and denounce tbat behavior.
Racists police officers...this entire city is sick and it's about time that Albany stepped in and cleaned the slate.

Originally Posted By: Kells
http://fingerlakes1.com/2017/09/14/reports-geneva-officer-posted-racist-memes-to-facebook/

http://www.fltimes.com/news/city-cop-s-f...m_medium=social

What is going on in our fair (pardon the pun) city?!

I saw the city's Facebook post about the city not tolerating bigotry and being deverse etc. and wondered what was going on.

I remember when a city employee created a gigantic Trump/Pence yard sign before the election. That action was the catalyst for so many conversations across the community. Was the sign legal? It appeared to be - and, to be fair, a similar sign supporting the candidacy of City Councilor Gordon Eddington had been hanged in the same yard the year before. Was it in poor taste, an affront to the many citizens of Geneva who embrace diversity over the ethnocentrism being touted then by the Trump campaign? Opinions were mixed, but many seemed to come out against it for its sheer size. When balloons were hung for Trump's birthday on the same property, it seemed overkill to many. Then white supremacists in Virginia actually killed someone protesting Nazis, and the people rabidly supporting Trump went into the shadows a bit.

The shadows, I've said all along, is the last place we want these people. And now, it seems, another city employee with Trump-like views may have been brought into the light. There will almost certainly be spirited debate, again. First amendment rights to post material as racist/xenophobic as one wants to post on his or her own time? Or does the city have a responsibility to ensure that those who represent it don't hold - or, at least, publicly express - these types of beliefs? Hmm.

At least one thing should be clear: the fact that a city employee felt so comfortable posting a huuuuuuge Trump yard billboard, and birthday balloon yard celebration... and the fact that a city police officer felt so comfortable posting confederate flags and "trust me, I'm white" messages on Facebook... may just be an indication that holding these types of beliefs isn't as frowned upon within the City of Geneva as some expressed here that they wished it to be.

We'll all be waiting and watching to see what happens next. In the meantime I sure hope people will take the city manager up on his request. If you witness discrimination, harassment, racism, or hate speech, report it to a city councilman or leader.

And I'll add this: report it to EVERY city councilman. And every city leader. And to the Finger Lakes Times, and FingerLakes1, and the Geneva Believer, and [insert any new publications here]. Share it on Facebook, even. Our goal should be to bring people expressing racist, bigoted, and/or homophobic views into the light.

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#1508934 --- 11/14/17 08:23 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Mr. 2U]
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Agreed....Maybe people should look into why she has been given preferential treatment. Why didn't GPD follow protocol...simple, she says it in the recording when she was drunk and committing crimes. (She admits to sexual relationships with GPD and says that GPD is homophobic and also says that she will lie and say she was assaulted). Everyone there works hard at covering up for the other person.

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#1509043 --- 11/17/17 09:50 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gtownresident1]
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What a bunch of whiners! Why don't you run for council and improve things? But then you would expose yourself and all your misdeeds!

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#1509083 --- 11/17/17 07:34 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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I think that would be you loser! Can't handle the truth can you!

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#1509108 --- 11/17/17 09:18 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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*Sigh*

Once again, nice rebuttal.
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#1509112 --- 11/17/17 10:42 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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I have to sink down to your level!

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#1509138 --- 11/18/17 11:04 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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We are getting this from one side here. One cannot judge an entire group of people based on the actions of one person from that group. "Racist cops" how are they racist? Do you know them? have you spoke with them? most people are basing their opinions of police officers on what other people have told them, or what they've read or seen on the internet. Let's not be so quick to judge here. people in general are ignorant of the law and how it works. So when a police officer tells someone something that is maybe not to their favor, or something they don't care to hear, they immediately go to "oh the cop is racist," or "the cop is crooked," or "the cop is homophobic." If the person is wrong, they're wrong. Being gay, straight, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, etc. has nothing to do with it. People say the cops don't do anything, maybe some don't. If people don't have whatever issue they've gone to the police for taken care of in the time frame they think is suitable for that particular issue, all the sudden "it's the cops fault and they don't do anything." Are there bad police officers, of course there are, there are bad people in every profession. I think we all need to take a step back and start making some observations based on fact and not other people's opinions on what's popular in the media this week. Should police officers and city officials be held accountable? or course they should, but bashing them over the internet wont solve anything. I know there are plenty of police officers out there who do the job well and genuinely want to help people. "Is hate among us?", did we ever stop to think we are contributing to this hate by bashing officers and city officials without even getting their side of the story or getting some facts? "Well, police lie!", PEOPLE lie! Every day and mostly lie to the police. You want change? Fine, but don't hide behind a computer/smartphone and bash people. Go out and do something about it. If you are a tax paying citizen, you owe it to yourself to see that your money is being spent the best way possible on the best services possible. Let's grow up.
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#1509140 --- 11/18/17 11:39 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
We are getting this from one side here. One cannot judge an entire group of people based on the actions of one person from that group. "Racist cops" how are they racist? Do you know them? have you spoke with them? most people are basing their opinions of police officers on what other people have told them, or what they've read or seen on the internet. Let's not be so quick to judge here. people in general are ignorant of the law and how it works. So when a police officer tells someone something that is maybe not to their favor, or something they don't care to hear, they immediately go to "oh the cop is racist," or "the cop is crooked," or "the cop is homophobic." If the person is wrong, they're wrong. Being gay, straight, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, etc. has nothing to do with it. People say the cops don't do anything, maybe some don't. If people don't have whatever issue they've gone to the police for taken care of in the time frame they think is suitable for that particular issue, all the sudden "it's the cops fault and they don't do anything." Are there bad police officers, of course there are, there are bad people in every profession. I think we all need to take a step back and start making some observations based on fact and not other people's opinions on what's popular in the media this week. Should police officers and city officials be held accountable? or course they should, but bashing them over the internet wont solve anything. I know there are plenty of police officers out there who do the job well and genuinely want to help people. "Is hate among us?", did we ever stop to think we are contributing to this hate by bashing officers and city officials without even getting their side of the story or getting some facts? "Well, police lie!", PEOPLE lie! Every day and mostly lie to the police. You want change? Fine, but don't hide behind a computer/smartphone and bash people. Go out and do something about it. If you are a tax paying citizen, you owe it to yourself to see that your money is being spent the best way possible on the best services possible. Let's grow up.

Public servants should ALWAYS be held to a higher standard than the general population. The courts have upheld that fact time and time again.

If such a public servant publicly posts multiple abjectly racist pieces of content, then it is only natural that they will be held up to precisely the same public scrutiny (online or otherwise). It is not 'bashing' as you characterize it, but rather well-deserved outrage for despicable acts that should instantly disqualify someone from serving based upon the obvious psychological requirements for the job.

To suggest that those who publicly express their outrage online are somehow 'hiding' or un-entitled to do so, is merely victim-blaming. Not only do public demonstrations of outrage indeed 'change things', they're at the very heart of establishing fair, just, community standards.

An argument simply can't be made that negates the justifiable outrage at the epidemic abuse of power endemic in most police forces today. You speak of word-of-mouth vs direct evidence... If scrubbing YouTube for endless examples of barbaric violence committed by police doesn't offer sufficient evidence to warrant utter distrust of law enforcement, then nothing does.

Again, police are not 'just people'. They have controversially been given greater powers and legal authority than the the citizenry (contrary to clear constitutional laws forbidding such 'super citizens'), and as such, are under greater legal obligation to perform their duties at a more elevated level of functioning.

One is born a citizen. Not so with public servants, therefore, one willingly and without qualification, accepts the burdens of the job (be that as they are). And since the police in America have systemically failed to police themselves, don't expect people to alter their views on the matter. This will assuredly only get worse until someone finally gets a hand on this rampant, vile behavior. Bringing such acts to the forefront of public discourse (in whatever manner necessary) is the first and inevitable step in the process.
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#1509141 --- 11/18/17 11:41 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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#1509158 --- 11/18/17 02:41 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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I don't disagree with you at all timbo. I think public officials and police officers should be held to a higher standard and I do not condone any type of behavior that would be racially motivated. I respect people's opinions and don't expect to change anyone's views. I'm simply saying that we need facts in order to make any sort of valid argument. I'm also saying that actions speak louder than words. Not all police officers think alike on everything and to group them together as all being "racist" by the actions of one particular officer is being childish. No one wants to be labeled by the negative behavior of one individual. I also respect that the forum is a way for some to vent!
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#1509159 --- 11/18/17 02:56 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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Everyone watches the negative videos on YouTube, but what about the positive ones? Are there any? Police officers do good everyday and no one seems to take notice or record anything because it's not the "popular" thing to do. Everyone is so negative all the time that no one stops to look at any of the positives. Its always someone else's fault and people pass the buck, not taking responsibility for their actions. Unless any of us are or have been police officers, then we really have no idea what the job is like and only "know" through our experiences with our interactions with police, be it negative or positive. Oh and police are people too and weren't born police officers. They were citizens at one point and will be again when they are no longer police officers. Most people have no clue what policing is like, myself included.
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#1509172 --- 11/18/17 04:20 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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I don't think anyone was implying "all" police officers are bad. Only that the blatantly racist and hateful ones do need to be removed from that position. I dare say most people understand not all police are bad and that they do in fact do many good things. But the ones that are bad (and there are many, it's far more than a few bad apples, unfortunately) have the capacity to hurt many people. I do not agree at all that people critical or less-than-trusting of the police are that way simply because they believe it's the popular view to have. People base their perceptions on real-world experiences. When someone is treated poorly by a law-enforcement officer, that will naturally alter their perception. That person may or may not have deserved such treatment. I'm not talking about the murderers and child predators, because I honestly don't care how they are treated. But an unarmed and cooperating person should not be berated, beaten and even cut down in cold blood over jaywalking or weed possession or even a perceived disrespect. And it happens, every day. The "unless you've worked as a police officer" does not exactly fit here, because police are not any old job. They are not doctors, or janitors or truck drivers or bank tellers. These people have the capacity to immediately take life or freedom, and on a whim. Given the capacity these people possess, I would hardly say the general public is being too hard on them. We have every last right to hold them to this heightened standard. As you stated yourself, you don't know what the job is like. Neither do I. But I do know that an unarmed and compliant human being should not be cut down in cold blood because an officer claimed he or she "feared for my life". If that is the case, they do not need to be employed in that profession in any capacity.

Concerning this particular officer with the GPD, I do believe posting the flag of an enemy nation of these United States (confederate) should be grounds for termination. He should have been a bit more intelligent than to post such things on his Facebook, being a police officer.
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#1509190 --- 11/18/17 08:03 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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The problem with your theories is the majority of Americans don't buy into them! The first thing minorities do when they are interacting with police is play the race card and accept no responsibility for their actions! It's always somebody Else's fault! There is a reason why there are 5 times more blacks in jail than whites and it isn't because of racism!

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#1509202 --- 11/18/17 08:30 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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The police know of the atrocities their "brother in blue" do, but are too cowardly to come forward, and/or try to put a stop to it; that makes them just as guilty. The prosecutors, judges, FBI, NYSAG, and attorneys also know when the police do something illegal, and instead of serving justice they let innocent people suffer. Then we have completely ignorant uneducated people who believe what the media says therefore repeats on this forum. They are all tools and players. Why do we allow it?

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#1509205 --- 11/18/17 08:38 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Cowgirl]
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Everything is a big conspiracy! LOL!

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#1509207 --- 11/18/17 09:21 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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No - what they (the police, judges, lawyers, politicians) do is criminal. Its a crime against the laws created by man and a crime against humanity.

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#1509208 --- 11/18/17 10:01 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
The problem with your theories is the majority of Americans don't buy into them! The first thing minorities do when they are interacting with police is play the race card and accept no responsibility for their actions! It's always somebody Else's fault! There is a reason why there are 5 times more blacks in jail than whites and it isn't because of racism!




Just LOL at this entire post. How are you using the internet from 1865?
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#1509215 --- 11/19/17 03:09 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
There is a reason why there are 5 times more blacks in jail than whites and it isn't because of racism!

Almost entirely untrue. Perhaps the greatest reason being, that they're prosecuted at many times the rate and for FAR longer sentences than for equal crimes committed by white men.

But to hell with the cold, hard facts issued by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, isn't that right, my li'l Peckerwood friend?


https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...emographics.pdf
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#1509234 --- 11/19/17 11:00 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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What if he had posted a pic with the Japanese flag? Or the United kingdom's? Both were "enemy nations" at one point. I don't view the confederate flag as racist or that is represents racism. I realize that some people may, but it's freedom of speech for one thing and just because someone posts pics of it, doesn't make them racist. I'm more concerned about the comments that were posted. While it's freedom of speech, they shouldn't have been posted on social media especially by an officer of the law. Also, I would like to see the numbers on there being far more bad cops than good. And I do believe people get their views of the police from the media and what is popular. People do group all cops together and generalize them by the actions of a few. I'm sorry if you've had a negative experience with the police, but I have not. Anytime I've had any interactions with police officers, they've been respectful. Do you know why? Because I'm respectful. Simple as that. Are there dumb cops? Sure, but there are a lot of dumb people too.


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#1509239 --- 11/19/17 12:51 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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What if he had posted a pic with the Japanese flag? Or the United kingdom's? Both were "enemy nations" at one point. I don't view the confederate flag as racist or that is represents racism. I realize that some people may, but it's freedom of speech for one thing and just because someone posts pics of it, doesn't make them racist. I'm more concerned about the comments that were posted. While it's freedom of speech, they shouldn't have been posted on social media especially by an officer of the law. Also, I would like to see the numbers on there being far more bad cops than good. And I do believe people get their views of the police from the media and what is popular. People do group all cops together and generalize them by the actions of a few. I'm sorry if you've had a negative experience with the police, but I have not. Anytime I've had any interactions with police officers, they've been respectful. Do you know why? Because I'm respectful. Simple as that. Are there dickhead cops? Sure, but there are a lot of dickhead people too.

1) Freedom of speech does NOT extend to one's place of employment (as both state and federal supreme courts have consistently ruled).

2) The south was NOT an enemy "nation". They were, by every legal definition, traitors to the nation and they were defeated in war.

3) Contrary to your 'beliefs", the stars and bars were ALL about slavery. The designer of the Confederate Battle Flag, the Proclamation of Secession and the 'legal' foundation for the creation of the electoral college each state, in total specificity, that a slavery-based economy was the sole reason behind it. I'm sorry, but the historical record trumps your lack of knowledge on this subject.

4) You're applying severely hypocritical standards in your argument by assailing those who allegedly lump all cops into one group, by lumping them all into the same group. See the 'irony' in that???

5) You say you've 'never had a negative experience with the police'. Dollars to donuts (pun intended) says that you're Lilly-White.

6) Just because something 'popular' is posted on 'the media', in NO way, shape, or form lessens its accuracy.

7) I'm as white as they come and am ALWAYS respectful to those I deal with, but in spite of my courtesies, have more than a few times been treated with contempt, disrespect, intimidation and had my constitutional rights violated by law enforcement. Just imagine what abuses the most horrifically abused group in American history (after that of Native Americans) deals with on a regular basis. Oh wait... no one has to imagine. It's broadcast in full gory color on a daily basis (or there abouts).

8) My 'record' is and always has been spotless. As a US veteran, I've come to prize my constitutional rights with uncompromising gravity. The issue isn't wether it's some, most or all cops that are corrupted by power... it's that the corruption is no longer simply an endemic problem with some police. It is now utterly systemic and systematic in police forces and within the legal system nationwide.

Feel free to surrender your own Constitutional rights, I'll fight to the death to preserve mine and those of every American.
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#1509242 --- 11/19/17 02:27 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Where's an "eyes rolling" emoji when ya need one?
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#1509244 --- 11/19/17 02:49 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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Where's an "eyes rolling" emoji when ya need one?

That's OK, I understand. There's not much to be said when your entire argument has been laid-waste by unequivocal FACTS. smirk
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#1509251 --- 11/19/17 03:45 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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I don't disagree with you Timbo, I was just taking some quotes from Wolf's post when they referred to the Confederate States as an enemy nation. I will have to think the CSA was a nation, albeit an unrecognized one, and would assume the people living in the CSA saw themselves as a nation. The stars 'n' bars is actually not the confederate flag, but the battle flag of northern Virginia. the confederacy used many flags, but the stars 'n' bars is the one most associated with the CSA. The stars 'n' bars represents secession and that the southern states no longer wanted to be part of the union. Yes, slavery was part of it, but not the entire reason the states seceded. racists and white supremacists have adopted the flag to represent their racial beliefs because the CSA had slavery, but I do not believe that's what the flag was designed to represent. I'm not Lilly-white btw, I'm bi-racial and have a darker complexion. I have been pulled over by police, given tickets, have been spoken to by the police, however I do not consider these negative experiences. I got a ticket that I deserved, the officer was not an ahole. I never questioned your record either. I just have to go back to the whole thing about bad cops. they're out there for sure, but I think most are good PEOPLE. they're people too. They eat, shit and sleep just like everyone else. Wolf, I too agree with you when you say that being a police officer is no ordinary job, but to say they can take life on a whim? come on. you think that if an officer is to take a life, it's on a whim? you don't think it effects him/her? I find it hard to believe that anyone who is an officer, wakes up in the morning and says "hey, I think I'm going to take a life today", or "I think i'll violate someone's civil rights today", cops aren't robots. I just don't get all the sweeping generalizations that are being made. to even say a majority of cops are bad, is ridiculous. corrupt cops are out there, corrupt officials are out there, but most try to do good, IMO. go to the citizen's academy that GPD puts on every year. I did and it changed my perspective on some things. Timbo, thank you for your service and happy belated veteran's day.


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#1509253 --- 11/19/17 04:15 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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I don't disagree with you Timbo, I was just taking some quotes from Wolf's post when they referred to the Confederate States as an enemy nation. I will have to think the CSA was a nation, albeit an unrecognized one, and would assume the people living in the CSA saw themselves as a nation. The stars 'n' bars is actually not the confederate flag, but the battle flag of northern Virginia. the confederacy used many flags, but the stars 'n' bars is the one most associated with the CSA. The stars 'n' bars represents secession and that the southern states no longer wanted to be part of the union. Yes, slavery was part of it, but not the entire reason the states seceded. racists and white supremacists have adopted the flag to represent their racial beliefs because the CSA had slavery, but I do not believe that's what the flag was designed to represent. I'm not Lilly-white btw, I'm bi-racial and have a darker complexion. I have been pulled over by police, given tickets, have been spoken to by the police, however I do not consider these negative experiences. I got a ticket that I deserved, the officer was not an asshole. I never questioned your record either. I just have to go back to the whole thing about bad cops. they're out there for sure, but I think most are good PEOPLE. they're people too. They eat, shit and sleep just like everyone else. Wolf, I too agree with you when you say that being a police officer is no ordinary job, but to say they can take life on a whim? come on. you think that if an officer is to take a life, it's on a whim? you don't think it effects him/her? I find it hard to believe that anyone who is an officer, wakes up in the morning and says "hey, I think I'm going to take a life today", or "I think i'll violate someone's civil rights today", cops aren't robots. I just don't get all the sweeping generalizations that are being made. to even say a majority of cops are bad, is ridiculous. corrupt cops are out there, corrupt officials are out there, but most try to do good, IMO. go to the citizen's academy that GPD puts on every year. I did and it changed my perspective on some things. Timbo, thank you for your service and happy belated veteran's day.

First of all, I was the one to correctly refer to it as the confederate battle flag. So don't waste your time trying to pretend that you know something that I don't. Besides... your point is entirely irrelevant seeing as how it's the very same flag that you were referring to in your patently false assertion that it was only partially the reason for secession. It was entirely the reason. Go read the the exact wording of the terms for intent to secede for yourself. I won't waste my time trying to explain well-documented facts to someone who hasn't taken the time to explore them for themselves. It's also irrelevant how the Confederate States imagined themselves. They already were PART of a nation, otherwise they would have no call to secede. Period.

The point of mentioning that I have a spotless record was simply to eliminate the argument that my background may have somehow been a contributing factor in my unfortunate experiences with police and the legal system.

Regardless of your willingness to allow for police being 'people too', The courts have ruled very specifically, articles requiring police performance above and beyond that of the general population. Put simply... it's irrelevant that they are people too. They are law enforcement personnel and are responsible to behave at a higher standard and are to be prosecuted accordingly. The legal system however, is in direct opposition to those principals, colludes with those who suppress and/or destroy evidence, systematically refuse to release public records and with few exceptions fail to uphold official policies and disciplinary actions in meaningful, effective ways.

I have several family members in law and law enforcement. I have no need to have my feathers smoothed over by disingenuous public relations feel-good presentations.

And you are sincerely welcome.
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#1509254 --- 11/19/17 04:22 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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wow.
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#1509255 --- 11/19/17 04:29 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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The fact that you are of 'blended' heritage and have never had serious problems with members of law enforcement (whereas, for me, the complete opposite is true) simply goes to prove the obvious point... that "your milage may vary". wink
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#1509258 --- 11/19/17 05:05 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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#1509262 --- 11/19/17 06:33 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Cowgirl]
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No - what they (the police, judges, lawyers, politicians) do is criminal. Its a crime against the laws created by man and a crime against humanity.
Do you ever think it may have to do with your lifestyle and your life decisions!

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#1509263 --- 11/19/17 06:36 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
The problem with your theories is the majority of Americans don't buy into them! The first thing minorities do when they are interacting with police is play the race card and accept no responsibility for their actions! It's always somebody Else's fault! There is a reason why there are 5 times more blacks in jail than whites and it isn't because of racism!




Just LOL at this entire post. How are you using the internet from 1865?
All you have to do is look at graduation rates at inner city schools and you can tell where these kids are headed! Rochester is 35 to 40%! What kind of life do you think these kids are going to have?

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#1509264 --- 11/19/17 06:41 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
There is a reason why there are 5 times more blacks in jail than whites and it isn't because of racism!

Almost entirely untrue. Perhaps the greatest reason being, that they're prosecuted at many times the rate and for FAR longer sentences than for equal crimes committed by white men.

But to hell with the cold, hard facts issued by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, isn't that right, my li'l Peckerwood friend?


https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...emographics.pdf

Here's some facts for you DUMBO!
Add on the fact that 27% of federal prisoners are illegal aliens who shouldn't be here anyways if it weren't for petunias like Obama!


https://www.infowars.com/black-crime-facts-that-the-white-liberal-media-darent-talk-about/


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#1509339 --- 11/19/17 10:34 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: Cowgirl
No - what they (the police, judges, lawyers, politicians) do is criminal. Its a crime against the laws created by man and a crime against humanity.
Do you ever think it may have to do with your lifestyle and your life decisions!

Do you ever consider that it may not?

We'll consider the fact that you offer no supporting evidence whatsoever to be all that's required to shutdown your moronic supposition.
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#1509340 --- 11/19/17 10:44 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
There is a reason why there are 5 times more blacks in jail than whites and it isn't because of racism!

Almost entirely untrue. Perhaps the greatest reason being, that they're prosecuted at many times the rate and for FAR longer sentences than for equal crimes committed by white men.

But to hell with the cold, hard facts issued by the U.S. Sentencing Commission, isn't that right, my li'l Peckerwood friend?


https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files...emographics.pdf

Here's some facts for you DUMBO!
Add on the fact that 27% of federal prisoners are illegal aliens who shouldn't be here anyways if it weren't for petunias like Obama!

WRONG!

22% are non-US citizens, of that number, only a small fraction are undocumented. And of those, the VAST majority are in for being undocumented only.

You wouldn't recognize a "fact" if it punched you square in your booze-bloated, racist little puss.


Read and Learn:
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statemen...hird-federal-i/


Shooting racist fish in a barrel since 2012! grin


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#1509383 --- 11/20/17 05:17 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Cowgirl
No - what they (the police, judges, lawyers, politicians) do is criminal. Its a crime against the laws created by man and a crime against humanity.
Do you ever think it may have to do with your lifestyle and your life decisions!




What do the laws judges, police, etc. break have to do with his life decisions? Time for your meds, or what?
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#1509403 --- 11/21/17 09:20 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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If we are getting down to facts, let's try this one; nothing will change. We can protest and talk junk all we want on this forum and nothing is going to change. None of us are going to fix a "broken" government. Do you know why? We don't have the stones. Are there people in power who take advantage of those who are not? Of course there are, we've established that. If you're getting taken advantage of, it's going to continue. We can bash police and berate officials all we want. We can be uncooperative with the police all we want, my point is, nothing you do is going to stop that. We can cry and whine and think we are being righteous, but what is comes down to is that we are just a bunch of weenies who talk a big game and don't back it up with any action. If we did, we wouldn't be on here talking in circles. It's a dog eat dog world, deal with it. My last post got deleted by the forum moderator (s), hopefully this post isn't offensive to the snowflakes out there. Liberals unite...and do absolutely nothing!
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#1509410 --- 11/21/17 11:46 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
If we are getting down to facts, let's try this one; nothing will change. We can protest and talk junk all we want on this forum and nothing is going to change. None of us are going to fix a "broken" government. Do you know why? We don't have the stones.

Speak for yourself. I know for a FACT that there are more than one active mover-and-shaker forum members indeed contributing to and exacting meaningful change.

The reason more and faster change doesn't happen, is due to lazy cynics sitting back making excuses that nothing can be done to improve matters.

I bet you don't vote, either.
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#1509436 --- 11/21/17 06:59 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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I do vote. I wouldn't complain if I didn't. All I hear is excuses, btw. Why people can't or won't do something.
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#1509445 --- 11/21/17 07:54 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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The very same thing could be said about your own comments.
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#1509450 --- 11/21/17 09:54 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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I vote and also serve my country everyday. I do actually go out and put my words into action. And before anyone asks what I do to serve, it's none of their business. You'll have your assumptions.
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#1509452 --- 11/21/17 10:05 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: rock 963
If we are getting down to facts, let's try this one; nothing will change. We can protest and talk junk all we want on this forum and nothing is going to change. None of us are going to fix a "broken" government. Do you know why? We don't have the stones.

Speak for yourself. I know for a FACT that there are more than one active mover-and-shaker forum members indeed contributing to and exacting meaningful change.

The reason more and faster change doesn't happen, is due to lazy cynics sitting back making excuses that nothing can be done to improve matters.

I bet you don't vote, either.
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#1509453 --- 11/21/17 10:09 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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Originally Posted By: Wolf King
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Cowgirl
No - what they (the police, judges, lawyers, politicians) do is criminal. Its a crime against the laws created by man and a crime against humanity.
Do you ever think it may have to do with your lifestyle and your life decisions!




What do the laws judges, police, etc. break have to do with his life decisions? Time for your meds, or what?
Boy I think you are DUMBO 2! If you drop out of school,live a life of crime & drugs and are to lazy to work your chances of interacting with police greatly increase! Do you see the connection now! DUH!

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#1509461 --- 11/21/17 10:26 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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I just think that people are responsible for their own actions and feel that most people who feel they've been mistreated by the police was because of their own actions. Their actions first are what started the negative encounter. Have police poorly handled particular situations, sure, but it starts with the citizen.
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#1509464 --- 11/21/17 10:33 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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Exactly! You don't expect liberals to accept responsibility for anything they do do you? First comes the race card then it's police profiling and don't forget some sexual harassment too!

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#1509467 --- 11/21/17 10:57 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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I'm not saying that officials don't abuse their powers, there are some, not most, that do, but to immediately assume that all or most cops and city officials abuse their power is ludicrous. I refuse to believe that police officers as a whole go out and say "ok, let's focus on this particular group of people, they're the ones causing all the problems." Being a dirt bag knows no color in my opinion. You treat cops like crap, you're probably going to get a bit of attitude back.
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#1509475 --- 11/22/17 03:11 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Wolf King
What do the laws judges, police, etc. break have to do with his life decisions? Time for your meds, or what?
If you drop out of school,live a life of crime & drugs and are to lazy to work your chances of interacting with police greatly increase! Do you see the connection now! DUH!

You're very good at making assumptions, but fall way short in the 'supporting evidence' department.
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#1509476 --- 11/22/17 03:30 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: rock 963]
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Originally Posted By: rock 963
I just think that people are responsible for their own actions and feel that most people who feel they've been mistreated by the police was because of their own actions. Their actions first are what started the negative encounter. Have police poorly handled particular situations, sure, but it starts with the citizen.

What does it matter what you "feel"? Where's your evidence to support such nebulous feelings? Is it just some wild hunch on you're part? Who says that it starts with the citizen??? That's a preposterous notion that puts the onus entirely on the citizenry while unjustifiably granting the benefit of the doubt to the police. It's a ridiculous and utterly prejudicial conclusion with not a shred of logic behind it.

You're making your mind up far ahead of "the incident" (whatever that may be).
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#1509477 --- 11/22/17 03:35 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Exactly! You don't expect liberals to accept responsibility for anything they do do you? First comes the race card then it's police profiling and don't forget some sexual harassment too!

You don't have an original thought in your head, do you? You certainly don't have one that isn't loaded with pejoratives, hypocrisies or vague/unsubstantiated mischaracterizations.
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#1509558 --- 11/22/17 08:31 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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It's the truth and you know it! It's plan A every time a minority gets in trouble!

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#1509587 --- 11/22/17 10:19 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
It's the truth and you know it! It's plan A every time a minority gets in trouble!



Another intelligent and highly truthful post by the winner at life, "gassy one".
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#1509593 --- 11/22/17 10:52 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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All you gotta do is watch the news! It happens daily DP!

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#1509601 --- 11/22/17 11:56 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Kells]
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"Watch the news". OK, dinosaur.
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#1509636 --- 11/23/17 09:45 AM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Wolf King]
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Obviously you have no clue DP!

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#1509687 --- 11/23/17 03:49 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

The fact that you are of 'blended' heritage and have never had serious problems with members of law enforcement whereas, for me, the complete opposite is true simply goes to prove the obvious point... that "your milage may vary". wink
Imagine that ! So must be the only book you had while in jail was a dictionary grin


Edited by scwoodchuck (11/23/17 03:56 PM)
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#1509702 --- 11/23/17 07:57 PM Re: Is hate among us? Oh my! [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

The fact that you are of 'blended' heritage and have never had serious problems with members of law enforcement whereas, for me, the complete opposite is true simply goes to prove the obvious point... that "your milage may vary". wink
Imagine that ! So must be the only book you had while in jail was a dictionary grin

Sorry, never in my life have I received as much as a speeding ticket, my insufferably clueless friend. For better or worse, I'm squeaky clean, thank you.

I bought the dictionary with the money I saved on a criminal defense.
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