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#1516883 --- 07/15/18 09:16 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
They don't need to have a better option


if the neighbors do not have a better plan are they in a position to complain?


Originally Posted By: Tacitus
The church is asking the neighbors to accept a significant damage to their neighborhood with no compensation.


hws has done far more damage to that neighborhood than one single project will ever do

will jobs be created?
will property taxes now be paid?
will school taxes now be paid?
will higher water/sewer revenue be generated?
will more sales taxes be collected?
will the structure be saved?
etc
etc
etc


Originally Posted By: Tacitus
Maybe they don't need the housing,


until all hws students reside inside the campus perimeter then hws will always need off campus student housing

are you suggesting that the off campus hws student housing creates little problems for any of the neighors near the units?

Originally Posted By: Tacitus
the expense of bringing it up to code?


how much did hws just spend on their performance center?

was it $25 million?


Originally Posted By: Tacitus
It's not as if they have infinite funds.


their students pay tuition
until they run out of students and tuition they have adequate funds

Originally Posted By: Tacitus
When the endowment is reduced,


hws will just start a fund drive to get more money from past graduates to increase the endowment

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#1516884 --- 07/15/18 09:35 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
Between the neighborhood opposition


is it true that St Peters wants to move parking from the west side of genesee street to the east side so they do not have to walk across the street?

they have areas on lewis street, geneva street and the street sections around the small city park next door to drop off people
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#1524237 --- 02/07/19 07:54 AM Re: Trinity Church Reuse [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
They don't need to have a better option


should the city use 'eminent domain' as an option to move this project forward for economic development reasons?
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#1525127 --- 03/04/19 03:56 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: bluezone]
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Quote:
Trinity Episcopal Church picks up legal win
GENEVA Trinity Episcopal Church and developer Mark McGroarty have cleared a legal hurdle that entwined two city agencies in their effort to redevelop the church into an inn, restaurant and events
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#1525141 --- 03/04/19 07:36 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: pingu]
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Bluezone,
Are you doing a bit of trolling on this subject??? Read this today in the FLTimes. It seems that the appellate authority of the ZBA was enforced by the courts. As you have written before HWS has done so much more to the character of the neighborhood but when a congregation attempts to stave off what could be a disaster of neglect the neighborhood suddenly objects. Yes, having student housing and all that goes with it and moving it off the tax rolls is so much better than finding a reuse for the church. Where were they when residential properties were bought and taken off the tax rolls?

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#1525175 --- 03/05/19 01:53 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: pingu]
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Would this project still make sense if there were 10 parishioners instead of 60?

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#1525717 --- 03/12/19 08:34 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: pingu]
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Originally Posted By: pingu
much better than finding a reuse for the church. Where were they when residential properties were bought and taken off the tax rolls?


Thinking Outside the Box

believe the new city manager is proposing spending around $4 million for 'improvements'(elevator) to the current city hall

believe the church needs about $1 million in repairs

the city should just buy the church for $250,000, make the $1 million in repairs and then move all city hall operations to the church (no elevator needed at the church)

the city (taxpayers) would save about $2 million or more by not making an additonal $4 million in upgrades (elevator) to the current city hall

the city could sell the current city hall for $750,000 or even more

the church has enough parking for the needs of city hall

the neighbors in the south main street area should not have a reason to resist that idea
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#1525819 --- 03/13/19 10:08 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: pingu]
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Bluezone,
You're hired!! If the city is even considering spending 4 mil to improve the 1912 city hall after a few recent "upgrades" maybe this not so far fetched.

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#1525833 --- 03/14/19 05:30 AM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: pingu]
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The huge assumptions here are that 1) a buyer could be found for City Hall that would not need to comply with ADA regulations, and 2) that Trinity is fully compliant with ADA regulations (parking is 1 floor down from the main level). This also assumes that the $1 million in repairs for Trinity would cover all of the changes required to suit the City's needs, which is probably not the case either.

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#1525895 --- 03/14/19 05:37 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: pingu]
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That's it Bluezone, you're fired.
Tough to live in the times we live in.... here today, gone tomorrow. Maybe the City could build a Morton building on the lakefront and move there. wait a minute.....

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#1526504 --- 03/22/19 01:15 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
The huge assumptions here are that 1) a buyer could be found for City Hall that would not need to comply with ADA regulations,


a buyer purchased the Dove block which is in far worse shape than city hall


Originally Posted By: Tacitus
2) that Trinity is fully compliant with ADA regulations (parking is 1 floor down from the main level).


they (Trinity church members) have chosen the current project to move forward with as it addresses those needs with funding from their new partners


Originally Posted By: Tacitus
This also assumes that the $1 million in repairs for Trinity would cover all of the changes required to suit the City's needs, which is probably not the case either.


the city would have $3 million (from the $4 million) to use for their needs

the city main needs are office space

should not cost $3 million to put up 'cubicle walls'
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#1526508 --- 03/22/19 01:34 PM Re: Trinity Church legal win [Re: Tacitus]
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Originally Posted By: Tacitus
The huge assumptions here


what options are the neighbors proposing?

believe the city (taxpayers) have paid out about $40,000 so far in attorney fees for this situation?

will that be coming out of the new city managers pay?

if the current project is rejected what will most likely happen to the property?

the church members abandon the structure (lack of funds)?
the city takes possession of it for code violations not being corrected?
the city puts it up for auction?
HWS buys it for $1?
HWS turns it into student housing or a staff building?
the neighbors buy it at auction and move forward in a different direction?


the city takes possesssion of it with emminent domain for economic development reasons?
the city acquires the surrounding homes with eminent domain - so the homes can be torn down to make room for development of the church structure - for more parking?
the city puts out an RFP for developers?
the property is turn into resort style operation - creating jobs - taxes - income for the city

if it does not sell at auction then the city (taxpayers) pay to tear down the church structure ($100,000 or more) and the vacant lot is sold to a neighbor for $1000?


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