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#1502652 --- 07/31/17 02:48 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: KRedfoot]
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I take it you've never been to Montreal where they refuse to speak anything but French. I was told a totally different story by the way. crazy
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#1502656 --- 07/31/17 07:10 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: Top Dog
I am accusing National Park employees of being biased against heterosexual employees.
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No need to accuse anyone, just as with her statement I hear the same.

There's a lot of that happening.

I'm sure she also thinks straight white males should be systematically eradicated as well.

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#1502657 --- 07/31/17 07:24 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: KRedfoot]
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Originally Posted By: KRedfoot
I was at the meeting when Ghazala spoke to the board about this young man leaving because he felt unwelcome. She described it as a situation where he simply was speaking Spanish on the phone, the business owner or worker overheard him speaking Spanish and told him to leave and go back to where he came from (or similar language to that). It had nothing to do with being loud or obnoxious to anyone in the establishment. This is a situation of intolerance. To blame the victim and call them a name is to support the intolerance. Seneca Falls cannot grow in tourism if such behavior is tolerated.

Imagine you were some place where everyone spoke another language, you are bilingual and use another language when speaking to a friend or relative on the phone while at a business. Suddenly the business owner yells at you and tells you to go back where you came from. With the increase of hate crimes in this country, I can imagine that I would perhaps feel "unsafe" in a community that treated me that way. Would I stay there? I don't think so.

If nothing else, this situation does merit a discussion about how Seneca Falls treats tourists / outsiders. There are many closed storefronts in downtown Seneca Falls. They will not reopen if Seneca Falls is not seen as a welcoming community, whether it be for health reasons because of the dump or because the business community is intolerant.


Lets say the story is true. I guess it makes us all bigots. But it doesn't make it the town board's problem. If a business is refusing to take cash from someone for stupid reasons, my tax dollars don't need to fix it. Sorry, that is the cold truth.

Newsflash...downtown was emptied long before the landfill became a mountain.

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#1502658 --- 07/31/17 08:02 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: deadphilosopher]
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Originally Posted By: deadphilosopher
Wow, I didn't think this would happen. This is a thread that was about a claim that Seneca falls is Unfriendly. Kyle tried derailing it to a Landfill thread which stopped rather quickly.
But now it has derailed to Trump and taxes. Let's try to get back to the subject. Seneca Falls has become unfriendly because of several things. 1. The National Park does not promote the area well. 2. The local community is tired of outsiders coming in and telling them what to do. 3. The Town itself is a disaster and people are not happy with how it is being ran. 4. Tourists that come here are not the most pleasant either. I have had tourists give me a hard time in Seneca Falls. 6. The biggest problem is that most people are friendly in Seneca falls, But there is a segment of the population that is very rude in this town. They have been here for a long time for generations in fact and it seems to be some families. What I see is that the residents need to look at what this town is like compared to 10 years ago, 20 years ago and see what has changed. It boils down to 3 things Lost of employment, the increase of Social Service recipients that were moved here or came here for the services, and the lack of reasons to be proud of the town. Anyone remember when Convention Days was a Huge ordeal or when St Anthonies festival was something to go to or when there was a parade downtown and entertainment was available? Canal fest is OK but it is not enough. Seneca Falls needs to do a lot of soul searching but the biggest problem is that it needs to fix it's leadership and get rid of some of the excess that the town has created in the past few years. But the only way to do that is to have the masses make their voices be heard. What would happen at a town board meeting if 5000 voters showed up? What would happen if 5000 residents started calling the elected clowns demanding to be heard? The problem is that the parties and the politicians have divided the masses. Remember a divided house will fall. So let's fix the problem as a group ignoring the politicians and the leaders of the political parties. There is no need for that especially at the local level we should be looking out for each other and the town itself. just some random thoughts on how to fix the problems with Seneca Falls and to answer yes to some degree Seneca Falls is unfriendly but it can be fixed and everyone will be better off. Unfortunately, this is only philosophy because the people won't come together as on voice.


The community is divided in many ways. There are the ones who have a sense of entitlement, there are those that are wanna be's who strive for that sense of entitlement, there are those that struggle just to survive, and there are those who have no hope. Each group lives in its own realm and is isolated from the others. Too bad people have lost how to come together. It is a spiritual problem.

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#1502659 --- 07/31/17 08:34 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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The community is divided in many ways. There are the ones who have a sense of entitlement, there are those that are wanna be's who strive for that sense of entitlement, there are those that struggle just to survive, and there are those who have no hope. Each group lives in its own realm and is isolated from the others. Too bad people have lost how to come together. It is a spiritual problem.

The Ami Ghazala's are the problem with the world today.

Instead of focusing on the positives and coming together, everybody wants to find the negatives and divide.

More and more people are dividing into groups (blacks, indians, women, muslims, kkk, terrorist, whites, koreans, and whatever other group you can think of) and looking out for their own interest group rather than coming together with everyone and work together and make sure everyone succeeds.

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#1502661 --- 07/31/17 08:47 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: hearallseeall]
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Agreed.

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#1502662 --- 07/31/17 08:53 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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and what was the "recent demonstration at the park" that was in question that the article refers to?

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#1502679 --- 08/01/17 05:47 AM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
The Ami Ghazala's are the problem with the world today.

Instead of focusing on the positives and coming together, everybody wants to find the negatives and divide.

More and more people are dividing into groups (blacks, indians, women, muslims, kkk, terrorist, whites, koreans, and whatever other group you can think of) and looking out for their own interest group rather than coming together with everyone and work together and make sure everyone succeeds.


I completely agree.........(DoctorD: Runs screaming down hallway realizing he agreed with hereall's statement)

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#1502712 --- 08/02/17 06:03 AM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: DR. D]
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Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
The Ami Ghazala's are the problem with the world today.

Instead of focusing on the positives and coming together, everybody wants to find the negatives and divide.

More and more people are dividing into groups (blacks, indians, women, muslims, kkk, terrorist, whites, koreans, and whatever other group you can think of) and looking out for their own interest group rather than coming together with everyone and work together and make sure everyone succeeds.


I completely agree.........(DoctorD: Runs screaming down hallway realizing he agreed with hereall's statement)


Not only did Dr. D agree with Hearall, they both agreed with Ghazala.

It strikes me that Ghazala was pointing out the very same problem. That he noted that there was a part of local society that was looking out for their interest group and not ready of come together with the staff at the park, or work together so Seneca Falls succeeds.

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#1502718 --- 08/02/17 08:04 AM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Too bad that the attitude of some preclude an overarching truth which stems from our community's history. It is there to be capitalized on but no.

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#1502725 --- 08/02/17 10:13 AM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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If the board is going to address anything, it should be how to make downtown more inviting and successful. The people who own the buildings can't go charging an arm and a leg for rent. Something has got to give. I understand they can charge what they want, but wouldn't they rather be collecting some rent, than no rent. I don't know, doesn't make much sense to me.

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#1502726 --- 08/02/17 11:05 AM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Red22]
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I don't agree. I don't believe the government should be allowed to tax landowners and dictate what they are allowed to charge for rent. We live in a free, capitalistic society.

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#1502728 --- 08/02/17 12:03 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Top Dog]
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I think we have become a nation of crybabies, we've all been discriminated against in some fashion at some point in our lives. Get over it and move on. Gee I can remember being picked on for wearing glasses when I was a kid. cry


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#1502730 --- 08/02/17 12:09 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
I don't agree. I don't believe the government should be allowed to tax landowners and dictate what they are allowed to charge for rent. We live in a free, capitalistic society.

With laws and rules in order to benefit the greater good of society.

Municipalities for instance, have the right to set such rules in order to create urban planning that will attract what they deem to be in the best interest of the community. They hold public forums and make decisions based on what they interpret to be in line with the wishes of their constituents (compromises and all). Those same public officials are duly elected and empowered to make the decisions FOR us, ( again, compromises and all). That's the whole idea behind state's rights... the freedom of local/state governments to do as they establish are in the best interest of "the people". That's why in the US you are free to travel unmolested (to whatever place you choose live, visit or to conduct commerce). In the case of commerce, there are separate laws/rules.

We are a Democratic Republic which by definition has inherent elements of socialistic functions, like it or not. The fact that our economy functions by capitalistic principals, in no way negates that fact. Nor does it define our country solely by it's brand of economy.

It is a blend of multiple philosophies/principals, none of which are pure or without limitation.
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#1502738 --- 08/02/17 03:29 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Timbo]
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That is precisely what has turned NEW York State into a welfare state. crazy
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#1502739 --- 08/02/17 04:13 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
That is precisely what has turned NEW York State into a welfare state. crazy

Brilliant explanation. Care to elaborate, or should everyone simply go on faith that you actaully have a specific definition for the word "that"??? crazy crazy crazy

Really, now.
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#1502747 --- 08/02/17 06:32 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
That is precisely what has turned NEW York State into a welfare state. crazy

Brilliant explanation. Care to elaborate, or should everyone simply go on faith that you actaully have a specific definition for the word "that"??? crazy crazy crazy

Really, now.


The fundamentals of the economy only work one way. Finding ways to bring cash here makes more sense than shaming and blaming the welfare recipients. Sure it is easy point a false finger. It produces more harm than good. Just like being unfriendly to visitors. No wonder.....

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#1502752 --- 08/02/17 08:25 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Here's Johnny]
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Shovel ready available locations. Whether it is Seneca Falls, Waterloo, or south. We need to build our community to invite newcomer investments. There are dead downtowns throughout upstate. Cheap rent is not the answer. Argue over whatever you want to call it. One thing for sure, nobody will show up if we don't do it.

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#1502753 --- 08/02/17 08:29 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
With laws and rules in order to benefit the greater good of society.

Municipalities for instance, have the right to set such rules in order to create urban planning that will attract what they deem to be in the best interest of the community. They hold public forums and make decisions based on what they interpret to be in line with the wishes of their constituents (compromises and all). Those same public officials are duly elected and empowered to make the decisions FOR us, ( again, compromises and all). That's the whole idea behind state's rights... the freedom of local/state governments to do as they establish are in the best interest of "the people". That's why in the US you are free to travel unmolested (to whatever place you choose live, visit or to conduct commerce). In the case of commerce, there are separate laws/rules.

We are a Democratic Republic which by definition has inherent elements of socialistic functions, like it or not. The fact that our economy functions by capitalistic principals, in no way negates that fact. Nor does it define our country solely by it's brand of economy.

It is a blend of multiple philosophies/principals, none of which are pure or without limitation.


All but the most strident libertarian would recognize that some land use regulation is appropriate to ensure health, safety and liveability.

That's not the same thing as dictating how much people should charge for rent, however. That tends to touch more on a private contract between parties, with a lesser degree of imminment public risk.

I suppose one could point to NYC's rent control laws as an example of telling landlords what they can charge. However, putting aside that Seneca Falls is not NYC, either in size or economic activity, there's a sizeable body of evidence that rent control laws can actually decrease the pool of affordable housing.

In any event, considering that SF derives much of its income from property taxes, and property taxes on rental properties are often based on income, why would SF want to reduce potential tax revenue by reducing landlord income?

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#1502755 --- 08/02/17 09:00 PM Re: So, is Seneca Falls unfriendly? [Re: Top Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Shovel ready available locations. Whether it is Seneca Falls, Waterloo, or south. We need to build our community to invite newcomer investments. There are dead downtowns throughout upstate. Cheap rent is not the answer. Argue over whatever you want to call it. One thing for sure, nobody will show up if we don't do it.

It depends. A thriving residential population has at LEAST as much impact on a healthy urban environment (if not greater) than does retail/service property.

Civic Planning 101.
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