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#1501074 --- 07/08/17 11:48 AM Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia
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#1501076 --- 07/08/17 01:47 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Festus]
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http://m.thesundaily.my/news/1686458

Landfills is the way forward for Malaysia, says Abdul Rahman Dahlan
Posted on 4 February 2016 - 04:48pm


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/08/17 01:48 PM)
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#1501126 --- 07/09/17 07:26 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/landfills-can-be-nightmares-nurul-ashikin

JULY 4 Nurul AshikinMost people never heard about Seneca Meadows Landfill. It is in the United States of America. Most importantly, it serves the City of New York as in taking the trash from the Big Apple.

Before Malaysians become all excited about landfills here in our country, they should consider the 275 feet of waste the residents over in Seneca County deal with daily. The situation is not great as the waste releases a stench so powerful it makes those not used to it throw up. Literally have everything come out of you. Those living there have learned to live with it, I don’t know whether I want to live there or in any place in Malaysia with landfills. And if incinerators are not approved for Kepong, then it will stink even more, and I pity the Malaysians who have to live next to a landfill.

Some people have said the Bukit Tagar landfill is the best, and we have no need to worry about incinerators. Berjaya is a public listed company and has commercial priorities. So, I am not quickly going to agree with some people saying there is zero-problem in Bukit Tagar, which is why there is no need for any incinerator.

Populations grow, and garbage will increase with the people, even with recycling.

Better recycling will give us less waste, but the waste remaining meaning the waste which cannot be recycled.

So a choice must be made, to send to a large landfill or incinerate. Landfills will always be large and produce methane, and are risks to waterways. The drinking water can be compromised. Incinerators will have regulatory issues too, but if strictly enforced they do not take up too much space or produce methane.

Transportation to landfills is cost hole over time. If now it is 50km away from the city, when there is more housing and development, any possible incinerator will be further away. What will a landfill 100km away from Kuala Lumpur cost the city?

Bukit Tagar costs RM49 per ton, clearing up to 3000 tons a day. Beringin is RM32 per ton for up to 2500 tons daily. Those places require up to RM145,000 a day to clear the trash into the landfill. So being scared of the cost of incinerators which will be in the millions ignores if the landfill charge is calculated for the long term, it will also be high.

Studying in the US, there was not that much stigma attached to incinerators. Friends joke about how social science students will only get jobs at the incinerator because what is the point of a history degree. But a large landfill is no joke.

I was scarred looking at pictures of landfills in countries like Philippines and Indonesia. Of course the modern landfill is not like those places, but to imagine landfills as perfect solutions is very short-sighted.

Telling people that it’s OK to die from stabbing rather than a shooting is kinda like informing people that death is not a problem, just the manner. Which is how trash is. Recycling is great, but this thinking that landfill is equivalent to recycling is dangerous.

I don’t want people to live in a Malaysian version of Seneca County.

This is exactly why New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has promised to end landfills, even while supporting recycling. He wants to make New York City meet a “zero waste to landfills” goal by 2030.

Let’s keep the support for recycling go on. But after that, we still have to choose a method. It is wrong to package recycling and landfills as complementary. Only thing complementary to recycling, are reducing and reuse, the other parts of 3R

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#1501127 --- 07/09/17 07:30 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/landfills-can-be-nightmares-nurul-ashikin

Populations grow, and garbage will increase with the people, even with recycling.

http://www.npg.org/

Negative Population Growth, Inc. (NPG) is a national nonprofit membership organization. It was founded in 1972 to educate the American public and political leaders about the devastating effects of overpopulation on our environment, resources and standard of living. We believe that our nation is already vastly overpopulated in terms of the long-range carrying capacity of its resources and environment.


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#1501133 --- 07/09/17 09:48 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Garbage processing Kyle!

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#1501241 --- 07/10/17 03:14 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Garbage processing Kyle!
You are processing garbage? grin

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#1501246 --- 07/10/17 07:30 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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So much garbage

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2017/07/10/earth-faces-sixth-mass-extinction/465655001/

During the past 500 million years, there were five "mass extinctions" during which many species rapidly died.

Now scientists say we've entered a sixth mass extinction, and humans are the primary cause, according to a new study.

“This is the case of a biological annihilation occurring globally,” said co-author Rodolfo Dirzo, a professor of biology at Stanford University.

Previous mass extinctions were due to natural climate changes, huge volcanic eruptions or catastrophic meteor strikes. But this one is due to human activities such as deforestation, overpopulation, pollution, poaching and extreme weather events tied to man-caused global warming, the study said.

"The massive loss of populations and species reflects our lack of empathy to all the wild species that have been our companions since our origins," said the new study's lead author, Gerardo Ceballos of the National Autonomous University of Mexico. "It is a prelude to the disappearance of many more species and the decline of natural systems that make civilization possible."

The study suggests that as much as 50% of the number of animal individuals that once shared Earth have disappeared. Researchers determined that billions of mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibian populations have been lost worldwide.

This amounts to "a massive erosion of the greatest biological diversity in the history of Earth," the authors said.

Particularly hard hit have been the mammals of south and southeast Asia, where all the large-bodied species of mammals analyzed lost more than 80% of their geographic ranges.

Even if it's far from extinction, a species in decline can cause "cascading effects on vegetation and habitat" in ecological networks that depend on balance between animals, plants and microorganisms, scientist Robin Naidoo of the World Wildlife Fund told CBS News.

At the conclusion of the study, the authors write that "the resulting biological annihilation obviously will have serious ecological, economic and social consequences. Humanity will eventually pay a very high price for the decimation of the only assemblage of life that we know of in the universe.”

"All signs point to ever more powerful assaults on biodiversity in the next two decades, painting a dismal picture of the future of life, including human life," the researchers said.

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#1501253 --- 07/10/17 09:56 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Garbage processing Kyle!
You are processing garbage? grin
Obviously you have no clue which isn't unexpected!

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#1501254 --- 07/10/17 09:57 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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So much garbage

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2017/07/10/earth-faces-sixth-mass-extinction/465655001/

During the past 500 million years, there were five "mass extinctions" during which many species rapidly died.

Now scientists say we've entered a sixth mass extinction, and humans are the primary cause, according to a new study.

“This is the case of a biological annihilation occurring globally,” said co-author Rodolfo Dirzo, a professor of biology at Stanford University.

Previous mass extinctions were due to natural climate changes, huge volcanic eruptions or catastrophic meteor strikes. But this one is due to human activities such as deforestation, overpopulation, pollution, poaching and extreme weather events tied to man-caused global warming, the study said.

"The massive loss of populations and species reflects our lack of empathy to all the wild species that have been our companions since our origins," said the new study's lead author, Gerardo Ceballos of the National Autonomous University of Mexico. "It is a prelude to the disappearance of many more species and the decline of natural systems that make civilization possible."

The study suggests that as much as 50% of the number of animal individuals that once shared Earth have disappeared. Researchers determined that billions of mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibian populations have been lost worldwide.

This amounts to "a massive erosion of the greatest biological diversity in the history of Earth," the authors said.

Particularly hard hit have been the mammals of south and southeast Asia, where all the large-bodied species of mammals analyzed lost more than 80% of their geographic ranges.

Even if it's far from extinction, a species in decline can cause "cascading effects on vegetation and habitat" in ecological networks that depend on balance between animals, plants and microorganisms, scientist Robin Naidoo of the World Wildlife Fund told CBS News.

At the conclusion of the study, the authors write that "the resulting biological annihilation obviously will have serious ecological, economic and social consequences. Humanity will eventually pay a very high price for the decimation of the only assemblage of life that we know of in the universe.”

"All signs point to ever more powerful assaults on biodiversity in the next two decades, painting a dismal picture of the future of life, including human life," the researchers said.
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!

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#1501267 --- 07/11/17 12:31 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.

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#1501268 --- 07/11/17 12:32 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2017/07/10/earth-faces-sixth-mass-extinction/465655001/

Now scientists say we've entered a sixth mass extinction, and humans are the primary cause, according to a new study.

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#1501269 --- 07/11/17 06:59 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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AND the number one human activity causing this, AGRICULTURE.
SAVE THE PLANET, EAT PEOPLE crazy
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#1501271 --- 07/11/17 07:34 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.
Not facts they are theories! Which are about as good as some of yours! LOL!

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#1501282 --- 07/11/17 08:37 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/the-mystery-of-easter-island-151285298/
"In his book Collapse, Jared Diamond refers to the Rapanui's environmental degradation as "ecocide" and points to the civilization's demise as a model of what can happen if human appetites go unchecked "
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#1501311 --- 07/11/17 08:07 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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AND the number one human activity causing this, AGRICULTURE.

Uh, No.

The IUCN Red List now includes 77,340 species that were assessed for extinction risk, of which 22,784 are threatened. Loss and degradation of habitat was identified as the main threat to 85 percent of all species on the list, with illegal trade and invasive species as other key drivers of population decline.
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#1501312 --- 07/11/17 08:09 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.
Not facts they are theories! Which are about as good as some of yours! LOL!

You must be laughing at your own lack of knowledge. Make no mistake, scientific theories can most assuredly be FACT. To suggest otherwise only confirms an abject ignorance of science and the scientific process.

Read and Learn:

https://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html
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#1501314 --- 07/11/17 08:22 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.
Not facts they are theories! Which are about as good as some of yours! LOL!

You must be laughing at your own lack of knowledge. Make no mistake, scientific theories can most assuredly be FACT. To suggest otherwise only confirms an abject ignorance of science and the scientific process.

Read and Learn:

https://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html
You are so full of crap bimbo! If you put ten scientists in a room and give them all the same data you are going to get ten different interpretations of the same data!

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#1501319 --- 07/11/17 08:36 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
AND the number one human activity causing this, AGRICULTURE.

Uh, No.

The IUCN Red List now includes 77,340 species that were assessed for extinction risk, of which 22,784 are threatened. Loss and degradation of habitat was identified as the main threat to 85 percent of all species on the list, with illegal trade and invasive species as other key drivers of population decline.
What is the one human activity that causes degradation of habitat more than any other ? Unless you consider corn and soy bean fields habitat, it would be agriculture.
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#1501321 --- 07/11/17 08:40 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Gassy, my theory is timbo is really a chimpanzee.

https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Habitat-Loss.aspx

What are the main drivers of habitat loss in the U.S.?


Agriculture: Much of the habitat loss from agriculture was done long ago when settlers converted forests and prairies to cropland. Today, there is increasing pressure to redevelop conservation lands for high-priced food and biofuel crops.
Land conversion for development: The conversion of lands that once provided wildlife habitat to housing developments, roads, office parks, strip malls, parking lots and industrial sites continues, even during the current economic crisis.
Water development: Dams and other water diversions siphon off and disconnect waters, changing hydrology and water chemistry (when nutrients are not able to flow downstream). During the dry season, the Colorado River has little to no water in it by the time it reaches the Sea of Cortez.


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/11/17 08:47 PM)
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#1501328 --- 07/11/17 09:22 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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http://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/1027/1052055/Regional_Updates/update30.htm

" Significant improvement in the quality of U.S. waters since enactment of the Clean Water Act has been due mainly to reductions in point-source pollution from industrial and municipal sources. Agricultural contamination of waters remains a major source of water pollution. Estimates by the US Environmental Protection Agency indicate that agriculture is the leading source of pollution of the nation's rivers, lakes, and wetlands, and among the leading sources of pollution of estuaries. The status of groundwaters is not as well known as that of surface waters. However, when groundwater pollution has been found, agriculture is most often cited as the source."


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/11/17 09:24 PM)
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#1501338 --- 07/12/17 03:48 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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If you put ten scientists in a room and give them all the same data you are going to get ten different interpretations of the same data!

Tell that to a mathematician, you troglodyte. As I said... "You've confirmed your abject ignorance of science and the scientific process." crazy

Stay in school, Kids!
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#1501339 --- 07/12/17 03:56 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
AND the number one human activity causing this, AGRICULTURE.

Uh, No.

The IUCN Red List now includes 77,340 species that were assessed for extinction risk, of which 22,784 are threatened. Loss and degradation of habitat was identified as the main threat to 85 percent of all species on the list, with illegal trade and invasive species as other key drivers of population decline.
What is the one human activity that causes degradation of habitat more than any other ? Unless you consider corn and soy bean fields habitat, it would be agriculture.

Sorry, Charlie. Your conclusions are utterly incorrect. You're making the very same flawed assumptions as your partner in scientific illiteracy, 'gassy'.

Now, go back and actually read the article and this time, pay attention to ALL the words written.
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#1501342 --- 07/12/17 04:23 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Gassy, my theory is timbo is really a chimpanzee.

https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Habitat-Loss.aspx

What are the main drivers of habitat loss in the U.S.?

Agriculture: Much of the habitat loss from agriculture was done long ago when settlers converted forests and prairies to cropland. Today, there is increasing pressure to redevelop conservation lands for high-priced food and biofuel crops.
Land conversion for development: The conversion of lands that once provided wildlife habitat to housing developments, roads, office parks, strip malls, parking lots and industrial sites continues, even during the current economic crisis.
Water development: Dams and other water diversions siphon off and disconnect waters, changing hydrology and water chemistry (when nutrients are not able to flow downstream). During the dry season, the Colorado River has little to no water in it by the time it reaches the Sea of Cortez.

At least a chimp has a chance of understanding the basic scientific information surrounding the discussion. crazy

So, first of all, your little cherry-pick assumes that events leading up to this newest extinction level event only relate to the US. Obviously NOT.

Secondly, for the several comprehension-ally challenged posters dragging their hairy knuckles around these forums, the greatest contributions to world-wide species extinction is Logging and Urbanization.

Tropical forests contain MORE than 1/2 of the Earth's species. Such habitat loss has been identified as the main threat to 85% of all species described in the IUCN's Red Lists. Humans have wiped out more than half of the world's old-growthl forests over the past 150 years and it's projected to increase to over 70% in less than 30 years.

http://www.iucnredlist.org/

Learning can be fun, kiddies!
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#1501344 --- 07/12/17 04:52 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
http://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/1027/1052055/Regional_Updates/update30.htm

" Significant improvement in the quality of U.S. waters since enactment of the Clean Water Act has been due mainly to reductions in point-source pollution from industrial and municipal sources. Agricultural contamination of waters remains a major source of water pollution. Estimates by the US Environmental Protection Agency indicate that agriculture is the leading source of pollution of the nation's rivers, lakes, and wetlands, and among the leading sources of pollution of estuaries. The status of groundwaters is not as well known as that of surface waters. However, when groundwater pollution has been found, agriculture is most often cited as the source."
https://www.ecowatch.com/wotus-epa-clean-water-act-2449664043.html

Continuing its march toward elimination of key Clean Water Act protections, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on Tuesday issued a formal notice of withdrawal of the Obama administration's rule defining which waters can be protected against pollution and destruction under federal law.

This is the first step in EPA administrator Scott Pruitt's plan to eliminate essential Clean Water Act protections for waterways across the country that have been in place since the 1970s.

Within the next few months, Pruitt is expected to take the more dangerous second step—adopting a narrow definition of "waters of the United States" (WOTUS) long sought by industry that will allow uncontrolled pollution and destruction of our nation's rivers, streams, lakes and wetlands.

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#1501354 --- 07/12/17 09:09 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Put they only plan to change what Obama changed in 2015, so your article is a little misleading.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-regulation-idUSKBN19I2L0
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#1501357 --- 07/12/17 09:14 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Edited by scwoodchuck (07/12/17 09:20 AM)
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#1501359 --- 07/12/17 09:25 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Bigger question is is why the selective blindness?
Try ditching the disconnection. Everything is related.
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#1501363 --- 07/12/17 10:39 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck

Bigger question is is why the selective blindness?
Try ditching the disconnection. Everything is related.
I'm not blind to anything. Humans have altered the face of the planet for thousands of years and will continue to do so. We have to determine what is acceptable and what is not. Playing the blame game will accomplish nothing because you all want the benefits of our modern society but refuse to accept the responsibility or make a sacrifice.
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#1501366 --- 07/12/17 11:10 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Humans have altered the face of the planet for thousands of years and will continue to do so. We have to determine what is acceptable and what is not.
Yes a much smaller number of people for thousands of years with hand tools. It took millions of years for the human population to reach 1.6 billion people in 1900. Now we have 7 billion people and large machines. This can't go on at this pace forever without completely destroying our planet.

The world population was estimated to have reached 7.5 billion in April, 2017. The United Nations estimates it will further increase to 11.2 billion in the year 2100. World population has experienced continuous growth since the end of the Great Famine of 1315–17 and the Black Death in 1350, when it was near 370 million.

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#1501367 --- 07/12/17 11:44 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
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#1501368 --- 07/12/17 11:58 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
It tells me we must work on consuming less. Do you agree?

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#1501369 --- 07/12/17 12:12 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
It tells me we must work on consuming less. Do you agree?
That would be totally un american grin I mean how would you expect someone to live without the fancy car, the big house, the boat and camper ? I mean people would actually be able to pay off all their credit card debt, maybe even pay off the mortgage. That is simply not the American way !!!!! And do you really think my neighbor should have to go to work without his 4x4 $60,000 pickup truck when he lives 2 blocks away ? RIDICULOUS


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#1501373 --- 07/12/17 12:26 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck

Bigger question is is why the selective blindness?
Try ditching the disconnection. Everything is related.
I'm not blind to anything. Humans have altered the face of the planet for thousands of years and will continue to do so. We have to determine what is acceptable and what is not. Playing the blame game will accomplish nothing because you all want the benefits of our modern society but refuse to accept the responsibility or make a sacrifice.

First of all, many millions of people (though I doubt you) make great personal sacrifices for the good of the planet every day. So you can ditch that lame argument.

Secondly, it's no blame-game. it's unequivocal hard science that establishes through peer review, a fleshed-out series of facts in order to correctly understand true cause-and-effect.

The only blame to be had is your intransigent denials in the face of mountains of irrefutable supporting evidence.
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#1501374 --- 07/12/17 12:29 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
It tells me we must work on consuming less. Do you agree?
That would be totally un american grin I mean how would you expect someone to live without the fancy car, the big house, the boat and camper ? I mean people would actually be able to pay off all their credit card debt, maybe even pay off the mortgage. That is simply not the American way !!!!! And do you really think my neighbor should have to go to work without his 4x4 $60,000 pickup truck when he lives 2 blocks away ? RIDICULOUS
Your comments here make you sound like an environmentalist. Is that what you consider yourself?

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#1501375 --- 07/12/17 12:31 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
It tells me we must work on consuming less. Do you agree?
That would be totally un american grin I mean how would you expect someone to live without the fancy car, the big house, the boat and camper ? I mean people would actually be able to pay off all their credit card debt, maybe even pay off the mortgage. That is simply not the American way !!!!! And do you really think my neighbor should have to go to work without his 4x4 $60,000 pickup truck when he lives 2 blocks away ? RIDICULOUS
Your comments here make you sound like an environmentalist. Is that what you consider yourself?


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#1501376 --- 07/12/17 12:35 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
It tells me we must work on consuming less. Do you agree?
That would be totally un american grin I mean how would you expect someone to live without the fancy car, the big house, the boat and camper ? I mean people would actually be able to pay off all their credit card debt, maybe even pay off the mortgage. That is simply not the American way !!!!! And do you really think my neighbor should have to go to work without his 4x4 $60,000 pickup truck when he lives 2 blocks away ? RIDICULOUS

And yet, it's a virtual certainty that the majority of those owners of massive, non-essential off-road Pigs, McMansions and powerboats are of the conservative bent. Those who flip the finger to the causes of environmental protection. Nor is it "un-American" to mind the impact your family has on the planet.

Canards all.
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#1501377 --- 07/12/17 12:38 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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It took millions of years for the human population to reach 1.6 billion people in 1900.

Uh, sorry can't let this one slide...

The earliest fossils of anatomically modern humans are from the Middle Paleolithic, about 195,000 years ago.
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#1501378 --- 07/12/17 12:41 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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EVERYTHING.
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#1501385 --- 07/12/17 02:18 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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It took millions of years for the human population to reach 1.6 billion people in 1900.

Uh, sorry can't let this one slide...

The earliest fossils of anatomically modern humans are from the Middle Paleolithic, about 195,000 years ago.
LOL. OK. I didn't do a lookup on it. I tried gassy's method of no research. grin

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#1501386 --- 07/12/17 02:20 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
It tells me we must work on consuming less. Do you agree?
That would be totally un american grin I mean how would you expect someone to live without the fancy car, the big house, the boat and camper ? I mean people would actually be able to pay off all their credit card debt, maybe even pay off the mortgage. That is simply not the American way !!!!! And do you really think my neighbor should have to go to work without his 4x4 $60,000 pickup truck when he lives 2 blocks away ? RIDICULOUS
I have read numerous times that the earth could not sustain this level of luxury for the current entire world population so the earth is already populated beyond the earth's carrying capacity.

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#1501389 --- 07/12/17 03:43 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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correct kyle and the biggest fear is that the devoloping countries should catch up with the US in the near future. So the short term answer is either they pring us down or we keep them down.
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#1501390 --- 07/12/17 03:56 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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correct kyle and the biggest fear is that the devoloping countries should catch up with the US in the near future. So the short term answer is either they pring us down or we keep them down.
Wow. That is a sad choice isn't it? I don't really think they are going to catch up with us for at least another generation?

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#1501394 --- 07/12/17 04:46 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
And the average American consumes 32 times what someone consumes in a devoloping country. Tell you anything ?
It tells me we must work on consuming less. Do you agree?
That would be totally un american grin I mean how would you expect someone to live without the fancy car, the big house, the boat and camper ? I mean people would actually be able to pay off all their credit card debt, maybe even pay off the mortgage. That is simply not the American way !!!!! And do you really think my neighbor should have to go to work without his 4x4 $60,000 pickup truck when he lives 2 blocks away ? RIDICULOUS
Your comments here make you sound like an environmentalist. Is that what you consider yourself?
I am a realist, environmentalists refuse to see the whole picture. With current trends in population growth, nearly depleted resources and the obsession to sanitize the planet we are wasting to much time and money trying to save the planet when it is the human species we should be concerned about. This whole "GREEN IDEOLOGY " may upset the balance of power worldwide, and it's closer than you think. Environmentalism bolsters the " Globalization " movement and that may start a war for control.
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#1501395 --- 07/12/17 04:55 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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With current trends in population growth, nearly depleted resources and the obsession to sanitize the planet we are wasting to much time and money trying to save the planet when it is the human species we should be concerned about. This whole "GREEN IDEOLOGY " may upset the balance of power worldwide, and it's closer than you think. Environmentalism bolsters the " Globalization " movement and that may start a war for control.
How in the world can you save the human species if they don't have a decent planet to live on? Wow.

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#1501422 --- 07/12/17 10:45 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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What is the object of our space program ? What if the whole global warming thing is wrong and there is another ice age ?
https://youtu.be/YF8AAJSTJoM


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#1501432 --- 07/13/17 02:14 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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What is the object of our space program ? What if the whole global warming thing is wrong and there is another ice age ?
https://youtu.be/YF8AAJSTJoM
We landed a man on the moon in 1969. That was 48 years ago! At this rate, the earth will be destroyed before we find a new home.

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#1501439 --- 07/13/17 05:43 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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#1501443 --- 07/13/17 06:14 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

(PhysOrg.com) -- Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.

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#1501444 --- 07/13/17 06:16 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Do you believe in a God or a supreme being? If all humans are wiped out, then it seems like all religious life is a waste?

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#1501462 --- 07/13/17 09:21 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Man had about 9, what are called cousins, that are now extinct. The scientific community figures the human population was down to about 2000 about 70,000 years ago. Man may have been on the brink of extinction about 5 times in the past. So if there is a god, tell me does he care ? I think not.
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#1501481 --- 07/13/17 03:55 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

(PhysOrg.com) -- Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.



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#1501580 --- 07/15/17 06:57 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Festus]
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So can we get back to LANDFILLS ?
202-331-1010 • www.cei.org • Competitive Enterprise Institute
Americans like to recycle, and recycling
is indeed an important part of our integrated
waste management system. This system recog-
nizes that some portions of our waste are most
efficiently recycled, some are most efficiently
placed in landfills, and some should be burned
in incinerators. The key is finding the mix of op-
tions that conserves the most resources, while
protecting the environment. Market-driven
competition is the best way to achieve this goal.
Each option represents its costs to society: the
value of the water, energy, land, labor, and other
resources that the disposal option requires.
Hence, by allowing competition between dis-
posal options, we enable the most resource-effi-
cient (the least expensive) option to win in any
given case. Yet state and local governments do
not follow this advice. They try to manage their
waste with plans similar to the economic plans
of the former socialist nations, creating a host of
economic and environmental problems.
Legislative Background
For the most part, state and local laws govern
waste management. However, federal law has
an important effect on how they operate. The
federal Resource Conservation and Recovery
Act (RCRA) sets voluntary guidelines for states
to develop solid waste management plans. When
devising these plans, state and local officials esti-
mate how much waste they expect each commu-
nity to create over a 5- to 30-year period; then
they plan ways to manage that waste. Because the
federal government provides financial assistance
to state bureaucracies that gain approval of their plans from the U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA), nearly all states and localities use
waste management planning.
Misplaced Political Priorities
Relying on 30-year waste management
plans presents serious problems. Public offi-
cials cannot possibly estimate future waste gen-
eration, nor can they envision future disposal
technology. As a result, they often make poor
decisions, invest in the wrong technologies, and
choose less efficient disposal options.1
In addition, with more government involve-
ment, waste management increasingly serves
politically popular goals at the expense of safe
and efficient disposal. In particular, the EPA’s
system of politically preferred waste disposal
options, called the waste management hierar-
chy, governs most state and local waste man-
agement plans. According to the hierarchy,
waste policy should first focus on reducing the
amount of trash that people make—so-called
source reduction. Second, it should emphasize
recycling. And wastes that we cannot reduce or
recycle should go to the politically unpopular
options: to the landfill (third on the list) or to
an incinerator (fourth on the list). By relying on
this political formula, bureaucrats often work
to promote source reduction and recycling at
any cost to the environment and consumers.
In contrast, private sector recycling is always
driven toward the most efficient mix of disposal
options. Professor Pierre Desrochers documents
1. Numerous states and localities have invested in
waste disposal facilities—primarily waste-to-energy
incinerators—only to find that these facilities are not
economically efficient. As a result, states and localities
went so far as to ban competition with these plants, until
the Supreme Court ruled such laws unconstitutional. See
the policy brief titled “Interstate Waste Commerce.”
that recycling and reuse of materials have always
been a part of industrial processes because wast-
ing resources does not make economic sense.2
It is also true that private markets promote re-
cycling only when it makes sense, whereas the
government regulates recycling even when it
requires more resources than it saves.
Source Reduction
The desire to reduce waste—defining waste
as not using our resources efficiently—is a wor-
thy goal. But source reduction confuses waste
reduction with plans to abolish useful products.
Ironically, attempts to eliminate useful products
can increase refuse by eliminating packaging
that prevents spoilage or product damage. For
example, developing countries experience food
spoilage of 30 percent to 50 percent because
of inadequate packaging, storage, and distribu-
tion. With sophisticated packaging, storage, and
distribution, developed nations experience food
spoilage of only 2 percent to 3 percent.3
Manufacturers know that more efficient packaging—
rather than its elimination—saves resources.
It makes more sense to use such market forces
than to assume that government bureaucrats can
mandate more efficient options. For example,
between 1980 and 1998, manufacturers reduced
the material necessary to make a two-liter plastic
bottle from 65 grams to 48 grams, an aluminum
can from 19 grams to 14 grams, a glass bottle
from 255 grams to 170 grams, a steel can from
48 grams to 36 grams, and a plastic grocery sack
from 9 grams to 6 grams.4
In the rush to serve the politically preferred
goal of source reduction, some public officials
seek to reduce disposable products, such as pa-
per cups and utensils. But a Waste Policy Center
report that reviewed 34 studies on disposable
packaging highlights why this policy does not
necessarily serve public health or environmen-
tal goals.5
The study found that disposables
reduce exposure to dangerous bacteria. For ex-
ample, one study examined a sample of utensils
from restaurants, hotels, medical institutions,
and schools. It found, on average, 410 bacterial
colonies on reusable utensils compared with 2
bacterial colonies on disposable utensils.
Because it does not require washing, dispos-
able packaging uses less water and produces
less wastewater. For example, the Waste Policy
Center study found that washing a china cup in
the dishwasher just once produces more water
pollution than the entire life cycle of a dispos-
able cup. Reusable products are better for the
environment (in regard to solid waste disposal,
air pollution, and energy usage) only if they are
used several hundred times.
Recycling
Similarly, because recycling is so politically
popular, public officials developed goals as part
of their waste management plans to recycle a
specific percentage of household waste. To meet
these goals, local governments have used man-
dated recycling programs and required that cer-

tain products contain a percentage of recycled
content.
As a result, local governments expend
enormous resources to promote recycling, even
when that means using more resources than re-
cycling saves. Note the following facts:
• Despite conventional wisdom, recycling has
environmental tradeoffs. In many cases it
can be the less environmentally sound op-
tion, because recycling can use more energy
and water and can emit more air pollution
than other alternatives.7
States spend $322
million annually to subsidize recycling, ac-
cording to one study.8
• Recycling costs are passed to the consumer
through trash bills or taxes. One study
found that the average cost per household
with curbside recycling was $144 annually;
without recycling, the cost of trash disposal
was $119.9
These costs can consume a con-
siderable amount of a city’s budget. For example Sanford Maine spent $90,990 to recycle waste that it could have safely placed
in landfills for $13,365.10
• As citizens sort their trash for recycling,
most assume that those materials then go
to a recycling facility. But many times, local
governments cannot find markets for all the
goods they collect, and much of the material
ends up in a landfill.11 It is very difficult to
determine how much governments actually
recycle.
Landfills and Incinerators
Recycling is pushed largely to avoid using
landfills or incinerating waste. Anti-landfill sen-
timents arose because many needlessly feared
that we would run out of landfill space. The
battle against landfills heated up in the 1990s
when public officials wrongly proclaimed that
we faced a garbage crisis because we were run-
ning out of landfill space. One reason for this
problem, they said, was that existing landfills
would close in 5 to 10 years.12 But that is true
at any point in time, because landfills last only
that long. Problems arise when states fail to
permit new facilities.
There was in the 1990s (and still is) plenty
of land on which to place new landfills. Dur-
ing the alleged landfill crisis, A. Clark Wiseman
of Gonzaga University pointed out that, given
projected waste increases, we would still be able
to fit the next 1,000 years of trash in a single
landfill 120 feet deep, with 44-mile sides.13
Wiseman’s point is clear: land disposal needs
are small compared with the land available in
the 3 million square miles of the contiguous
United States.
The real landfill problem is political. Fears
about the effects of landfills on the local envi-
ronment have led to the rise of the not-in-my-
backyard (NIMBY) syndrome, which has made
permitting facilities difficult. Actual landfill ca-
pacity is not running out. The market response
to this problem is the construction of larger
landfills, creating greater disposal capacity even
with fewer landfills.14
Landfills are politically unpopular because
many citizens fear the public health risks. But es-
timates of landfill risks—based on EPA assump-
tions that “maximally exposed” individuals face
a cancer risk of one in a million—reveal that the
risks to public health are not significant. When
compared with most other forms of business
and activities that we experience in daily living,
the risks posed by landfills to the surrounding
communities are miniscule (see chart).

Cancer Risks
(assumes 70 years of maximum exposure)
One-in-a-Million Risks of Death
(assumes one year of exposure)
60 percent of landfills pose a one-in-10-billion risk.
6 percent pose a one-in-a-billion risk.
17 percent pose one-in-a-million risk.
Incinerators pose one-in-a-million risk.
Modern landfills pose lowest of risks.
Smoking 1.4 cigarettes
Drinking half liter of wine
Living two days in New York or Boston
Traveling 6 minutes by canoe
Traveling 10 miles by bicycle
Traveling 300 miles by car
Flying 1,000 miles by jet
One chest x-ray
Eating 40 tablespoons of peanut butter
Sources: Jennifer Chilton and Kenneth Chilton, “A Critique of Risk Modeling and Risk Assessment of Municipal Waste Management


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#1501873 --- 07/19/17 06:36 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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The DEC public hearing is advertised in yesterdays paper. It will be August 10, one at 3pm and another at 6pm at the, get this, Douglas Avery Performing Arts Center, Mynderse Academy, 105 Troy Street. What a suitable location, we can all watch the drama queens perform and make fools of themselves. grin

Gotta feel sorry for the judge though, he has suffered thru many of these hearings and has heard it all before. Can't wait to see his ruling. If he were smart he would just change the date of his last ruling.


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#1502298 --- 07/24/17 12:46 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Festus]
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Quote:
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#1502303 --- 07/24/17 01:27 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: Festus
So can we get back to LANDFILLS ?

Sure, just as long as you don't continue to inject Obama and incorrect deforestation statistics into the discussion. wink
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#1502304 --- 07/24/17 01:29 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Festus]
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Plenty of people in the area have signs opposing the dump in their front yards.

"Dump the Dump"

"Let's Not Trash Our Future"

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#1502306 --- 07/24/17 02:41 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Plenty of people in the area have signs opposing the dump in their front yards.

"Dump the Dump"

"Let's Not Trash Our Future"
Yes they do. I haven't see one yard sign up yet supporting the dump.

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#1502309 --- 07/24/17 02:58 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Plenty of people in the area have signs opposing the dump in their front yards.

"Dump the Dump"

"Let's Not Trash Our Future"
Yes they do. I haven't see one yard sign up yet supporting the dump.

I'm sure the old SM manager, DonG., would have one in his front yard supporting the dump. Oh wait, never mind, he moved out of SF. Must be he couldn't stand the smell. And to think he was bragging about how much of a community man he was.

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#1502326 --- 07/24/17 08:12 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Plenty of people in the area have signs opposing the dump in their front yards.

"Dump the Dump"

"Let's Not Trash Our Future"
Yes they do. I haven't see one yard sign up yet supporting the dump.
That's because only crybabies cry!

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#1502339 --- 07/24/17 08:40 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Gee, Kyle must have forgot about all the signs during the last election. The signs will be going up for the next November election too.
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#1502372 --- 07/25/17 07:10 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Festus]
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Kyle Black even claims he's a community man and really cares about the people in it. He's all about helping people until things don't go the way Stank Meadows wants them to go.

At that point, he's more than ready to get lawyers and take everyone to court to get his way. Do you really want this guy as a neighbor or a friend? Sounds two-faced.

This guy must really enjoy using people to get a paycheck. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

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#1502373 --- 07/25/17 07:45 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Gee, Kyle must have forgot about all the signs during the last election. The signs will be going up for the next November election too.
I was only talking about signs about the dump. Are there going to be pro-dump signs going up before the November election?

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#1502375 --- 07/25/17 08:22 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Kyle Black even claims he's a community man and really cares about the people in it. He's all about helping people until things don't go the way Stank Meadows wants them to go.

At that point, he's more than ready to get lawyers and take everyone to court to get his way. Do you really want this guy as a neighbor or a friend? Sounds two-faced.

This guy must really enjoy using people to get a paycheck. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

Black has a job that somebody has to do. If it ain't him it would just be somebody else. Besides, you are the one that should have problems sleeping because of all the lies that you have spread about the landfill.
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#1502377 --- 07/25/17 08:56 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Kyle Black even claims he's a community man and really cares about the people in it. He's all about helping people until things don't go the way Stank Meadows wants them to go.

At that point, he's more than ready to get lawyers and take everyone to court to get his way. Do you really want this guy as a neighbor or a friend? Sounds two-faced.

This guy must really enjoy using people to get a paycheck. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

Black has a job that somebody has to do. If it ain't him it would just be somebody else. Besides, you are the one that should have problems sleeping because of all the lies that you have spread about the landfill.

Stating the landfill STINKS is very truthful, far from a lie. Plus, even our friend from Malaysia, Nurul Ashikin, said "The situation is not great as the waste releases a stench so powerful it makes those not used to it throw up. Literally have everything come out of you."

I still stand behind my point about him. He said he cares about the community until the community says they do not want to be the dumping grounds for the Northeast. At that point, you've become Black's worst enemy and he wants to see you in court for not getting his way.

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#1502429 --- 07/25/17 10:08 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Kyle Black even claims he's a community man and really cares about the people in it. He's all about helping people until things don't go the way Stank Meadows wants them to go.

At that point, he's more than ready to get lawyers and take everyone to court to get his way. Do you really want this guy as a neighbor or a friend? Sounds two-faced.

This guy must really enjoy using people to get a paycheck. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

Black has a job that somebody has to do. If it ain't him it would just be somebody else. Besides, you are the one that should have problems sleeping because of all the lies that you have spread about the landfill.

Stating the landfill STINKS is very truthful, far from a lie. Plus, even our friend from Malaysia, Nurul Ashikin, said "The situation is not great as the waste releases a stench so powerful it makes those not used to it throw up. Literally have everything come out of you."

I still stand behind my point about him. He said he cares about the community until the community says they do not want to be the dumping grounds for the Northeast. At that point, you've become Black's worst enemy and he wants to see you in court for not getting his way.
How about all the crap about massive contamination?

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#1502433 --- 07/26/17 08:32 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Kyle Black even claims he's a community man and really cares about the people in it. He's all about helping people until things don't go the way Stank Meadows wants them to go.

At that point, he's more than ready to get lawyers and take everyone to court to get his way. Do you really want this guy as a neighbor or a friend? Sounds two-faced.

This guy must really enjoy using people to get a paycheck. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

Black has a job that somebody has to do. If it ain't him it would just be somebody else. Besides, you are the one that should have problems sleeping because of all the lies that you have spread about the landfill.

Stating the landfill STINKS is very truthful, far from a lie. Plus, even our friend from Malaysia, Nurul Ashikin, said "The situation is not great as the waste releases a stench so powerful it makes those not used to it throw up. Literally have everything come out of you."

I still stand behind my point about him. He said he cares about the community until the community says they do not want to be the dumping grounds for the Northeast. At that point, you've become Black's worst enemy and he wants to see you in court for not getting his way.
How about all the crap about massive contamination?

That's definitely not a lie either. I would also say contamination is all relative to a person's opinion. Obviously, you believe that the dump offers ZERO contamination to the area. Whereas another person might say the stench that residents are forced to breath would be enough to consider the environment contaminated.

There was a youtube video that was posted on here plenty of times. The trucker was on the CB asking where the dump wants the load of asbestos. I would say that's contamination.

And we all know that the dump does not check every single thing that is coming through on the trucks. So, who knows what's going in there. Im 100% sure it's not just unwanted household waste such as carrot peelings. If I want to throw a car battery in my trash, I could. Along with paint, chemicals, and any other CONTAMINANTS you can fit into a trashcan.

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#1502434 --- 07/26/17 08:44 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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I took the time to find the video for you.
Start listening at 2:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xsRiNl7B6c

The video says, "What'd you say about the contaminated? I didn't hear you, you got walked on. . . . Is that the contaminated dirt with the asbestos in it errr?"

"bring it up"

"go ahead and bring the contaminated dirt up"

Are you really going to argue with this? I have nothing to do with this video. The dump workers themselves are calling the material they are taking in "CONTAMINATED."

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#1502441 --- 07/26/17 12:22 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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This was a good post in 2012 and still holds true 5 years later. . .

Originally Posted By: http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1376624
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Chicago Jesus
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: mikey
Chicago...it is never about what the right thing to do is; it is always about the money, including all the transport people. It's just a nasty business with nasty people taking care of too much of our nasty stuff in one nasty location for a nasty amount of profit.

We matter not.
Well said mikey. The big problem is that it is not just our local nasty stuff which we could easily deal with but SM is dealing with the nasty stuff for several northeastern states and even part of Canada. And furthermore they seem to have several employees with political "connections" to make it even nastier all around.

kyle, so you think the county can survive on cheap car dealers and nasty wine tasting?

Of course it can.

It could also survive from businesses like Goulds, Wadhams, Huntington nursing home, BonaDent, the outlet mall, the wineries, farming, and all the other small local businesses. These business do 1,000x more for this area vs. what the dump does to this area.

Maybe if Bob Aronson from SCIDA didnt have his head shoved so far up Don Gentilcore's butt, we could have attracted more businesses like this.

"NASTY WINE TASTING"??? Are you saying the 1,000's of people that come here every year, come here to taste something nasty. that really shows your intelligence!

Do you think 3,000+ people came here for just to run in the 5k?? Or because it's a tourist draw because they attached to the It's a Wonderful Life theme???

Are you really that numb in your head that you think SC needs the dump?? LOL.

What does the dump do for the county. Provide 70 jobs!?! Do you really think that is the saving grace for the area. hahhahahhahahhaha.

If the dump closed tomorrow, the only town that would be screwed is SF. That's only because PETER SAME relied so heavily on this trash cash to keep the taxes artificially lower. So, the leaders of SF today would have a huge issue to deal with.

If the dump went away tomorrow, everyone else in SC would easily adjust.

It's sad we have people such as Peter Same and Bob Aronson in leadership positions making such bad decisions that RUINED the area for potential development.

Stop acting so IGNORANT!

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#1502442 --- 07/26/17 01:17 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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SO, " If the dump went away tomorrow, everyone else in SC would easily adjust."

Well how come nobody has come up with the figures proving it will be easy to adjust ? Come on, how many millions will this adjusting cost ? What will adjusting consist of ? Composting under your kitchen sink and stinking up your whole house? Paying thousands of dollars to recycle so when there is no market for the recycables in can go to the nearest landfill 50 miles away ? COME ON COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS !!!!!!!!!
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#1502443 --- 07/26/17 02:06 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
SO, " If the dump went away tomorrow, everyone else in SC would easily adjust."

Well how come nobody has come up with the figures proving it will be easy to adjust ? Come on, how many millions will this adjusting cost ? What will adjusting consist of ? Composting under your kitchen sink and stinking up your whole house? Paying thousands of dollars to recycle so when there is no market for the recycables in can go to the nearest landfill 50 miles away ? COME ON COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS !!!!!!!!!

Boy, you just looove moving the goalpost when your arguments blow up in your face. eek
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#1502446 --- 07/26/17 02:24 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
SO, " If the dump went away tomorrow, everyone else in SC would easily adjust."

Well how come nobody has come up with the figures proving it will be easy to adjust ? Come on, how many millions will this adjusting cost ? What will adjusting consist of ? Composting under your kitchen sink and stinking up your whole house? Paying thousands of dollars to recycle so when there is no market for the recycables in can go to the nearest landfill 50 miles away ? COME ON COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS !!!!!!!!!


Your point is a good one. The day where people will have to spend more in Seneca County for trash removal won't be to far in the future. Since SM is taking in trash from all over the NE, the dump will reach capacity faster and be forced to close sooner.

Unless expansions get approved to fill in the land they are mining across from Burgess with trash, the dump will have to close at some point. With the exclusion of Waterloo and Seneca Falls, I don't think other towns in SC get any big breaks for trash disposal. SF even has a line in their taxes for trash removal. So, I know for a fact SF residents already pay for trash removal.

No matter what happens, it's a stinky situation.

**Edit. . .With a quick glance, it looks like every property in pays a $66.60 unit for a 'sf refuse charge' and Waterloo only charges a $30 unit 'recycling fee.' I would think SF would be cheaper or free since the dump is technically located in SF. Goes to show you how the residents of SF are getting screwed.


Edited by hearallseeall (07/26/17 02:44 PM)
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#1502450 --- 07/26/17 04:55 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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The $66.60 is for the private company that picks up the trash and takes it to the landfill. Waterloo village employees pick up Waterloo's trash. Recycling is done at the county level. Asbestos can be disposed of safely.
https://www.mesothelioma.com/asbestos-exposure/what-is-asbestos.htm
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#1502459 --- 07/26/17 07:22 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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How about all the crap about massive contamination?


NYS Exposed: Fracking waste dumped in Finger Lakes landfill

http://www.whec.com/news/fracking-waste-local-landfill-seneca-meadows/4526219/
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#1502462 --- 07/26/17 08:37 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
The $66.60 is for the private company that picks up the trash and takes it to the landfill. Waterloo village employees pick up Waterloo's trash. Recycling is done at the county level. Asbestos can be disposed of safely.
https://www.mesothelioma.com/asbestos-exposure/what-is-asbestos.htm

Yea sure, you want that flying around as you're driving behind the truck that's hauling asbestos.

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#1502463 --- 07/26/17 08:52 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Ghosts]
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Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: gassy one
How about all the crap about massive contamination?


NYS Exposed: Fracking waste dumped in Finger Lakes landfill

http://www.whec.com/news/fracking-waste-local-landfill-seneca-meadows/4526219/

Wow. And this was reported very recently, June 27, 2017. Disgusting.

Then the leachate goes to a local WWTP to be treated. Shouldn't SM be responsible for having their own water treatment facility on their property to take care of this. Why should SM use the town's equipment and taxpayer money to filter their garbage water.

The guy from the DEC in the video that Ghosts posted sounds like he is well bribed from Stank Meadows. Sounds like works for SM instead of the DEC and the people of NY. He must love his 6 figure job and protecting the interest of SM instead of the citizens of NY.

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#1502465 --- 07/26/17 09:38 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: gassy one
How about all the crap about massive contamination?


NYS Exposed: Fracking waste dumped in Finger Lakes landfill

http://www.whec.com/news/fracking-waste-local-landfill-seneca-meadows/4526219/

Wow. And this was reported very recently, June 27, 2017. Disgusting.

Then the leachate goes to a local WWTP to be treated. Shouldn't SM be responsible for having their own water treatment facility on their property to take care of this. Why should SM use the town's equipment and taxpayer money to filter their garbage water.

The guy from the DEC in the video that Ghosts posted sounds like he is well bribed from Stank Meadows. Sounds like works for SM instead of the DEC and the people of NY. He must love his 6 figure job and protecting the interest of SM instead of the citizens of NY.
Can't stand somebody who speaks the truth instead of your activist BS! As far as leachate SM has been treating most of it for a couple of years! Guess you have no clue as usual!
On the fracking waste subject do you actually know what is in fracking waste? I can guarantee you don't!


Edited by gassy one (07/26/17 09:42 PM)

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#1502478 --- 07/26/17 11:10 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: gassy one
How about all the crap about massive contamination?


NYS Exposed: Fracking waste dumped in Finger Lakes landfill

http://www.whec.com/news/fracking-waste-local-landfill-seneca-meadows/4526219/

Wow. And this was reported very recently, June 27, 2017. Disgusting.

Then the leachate goes to a local WWTP to be treated. Shouldn't SM be responsible for having their own water treatment facility on their property to take care of this. Why should SM use the town's equipment and taxpayer money to filter their garbage water.

The guy from the DEC in the video that Ghosts posted sounds like he is well bribed from Stank Meadows. Sounds like works for SM instead of the DEC and the people of NY. He must love his 6 figure job and protecting the interest of SM instead of the citizens of NY.
Can't stand somebody who speaks the truth instead of your activist BS! As far as leachate SM has been treating most of it for a couple of years! Guess you have no clue as usual!
On the fracking waste subject do you actually know what is in fracking waste? I can guarantee you don't!

Hahahahaa.

Someone sounds defensive!

Speaks the truth? He's not working for SM. He's working for NY and he needs to keep his priorities in check.

Everybody knows they have been treating the leachate for years. Like I said, why should the town treat their garbage water. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. It's billion dollar company using taxpayer equipment to treat something that has nothing to do with the taxpayers.

Plus, you started with this by saying the contamination accusations were all lies.

The dump employees are calling it contamination.

You're only response is that people who do not think the dump is the holy grail of SC are activist and do not know anything. Of course, I really don't expect anything more from you.

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#1502495 --- 07/27/17 12:37 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
You're only response is that people who do not think the dump is the holy grail of SC are activist and do not know anything. Of course, I really don't expect anything more from you.
Why would anyone pick a name like gassy to post on here?

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#1502497 --- 07/27/17 05:49 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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#1502498 --- 07/27/17 06:56 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: gassy one
How about all the crap about massive contamination?


NYS Exposed: Fracking waste dumped in Finger Lakes landfill

http://www.whec.com/news/fracking-waste-local-landfill-seneca-meadows/4526219/

Wow. And this was reported very recently, June 27, 2017. Disgusting.

Then the leachate goes to a local WWTP to be treated. Shouldn't SM be responsible for having their own water treatment facility on their property to take care of this. Why should SM use the town's equipment and taxpayer money to filter their garbage water.

The guy from the DEC in the video that Ghosts posted sounds like he is well bribed from Stank Meadows. Sounds like works for SM instead of the DEC and the people of NY. He must love his 6 figure job and protecting the interest of SM instead of the citizens of NY.
Can't stand somebody who speaks the truth instead of your activist BS! As far as leachate SM has been treating most of it for a couple of years! Guess you have no clue as usual!
On the fracking waste subject do you actually know what is in fracking waste? I can guarantee you don't!

Hahahahaa.

Someone sounds defensive!

Speaks the truth? He's not working for SM. He's working for NY and he needs to keep his priorities in check.

Everybody knows they have been treating the leachate for years. Like I said, why should the town treat their garbage water. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. It's billion dollar company using taxpayer equipment to treat something that has nothing to do with the taxpayers.

Plus, you started with this by saying the contamination accusations were all lies.

The dump employees are calling it contamination.

You're only response is that people who do not think the dump is the holy grail of SC are activist and do not know anything. Of course, I really don't expect anything more from you.
BUT, BUT, BUT all this time you have been saying the leachate was being dumped in the river in Endicott.
https://youtu.be/KCg9vu-O0ks


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/27/17 06:59 AM)
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#1502503 --- 07/27/17 08:26 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck

BUT, BUT, BUT all this time you have been saying the leachate was being dumped in the river in Endicott.
https://youtu.be/KCg9vu-O0ks


They like to spread the misery and stink around.

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#1502504 --- 07/27/17 08:29 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
BUT, BUT, BUT all this time you have been saying the leachate was being dumped in the river in Endicott.
https://youtu.be/KCg9vu-O0ks


Nice video.

It amazes me that anyone would support bringing all of this crap into our area.

The video you posted says garbage water contains carcinogens such as:
-heavy metals
-hydrocarbons - oil and grease - benzene
-industrial solvents (methylene chloride)
-radioactive materials
-biohazard materials
-and many more toxins


The video also claims the shell casings from fracking are known to be radioactive.

Again. . .why is the town SF offering to filter out this crap?

You can sit there and say "Activist" all you want but it least I have the common sense to not welcome cancer causing materials to my community.

Only an incompetent fool would support bringing in trash from all over the Northeast.


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#1502505 --- 07/27/17 08:38 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Why would anyone pick a name like gassy to post on here?


The name fits. He and his twin, scwoodchuck, seem to relish breathing the air of millions of tons of other people's malodorous garbage. Right, gasman?
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#1502506 --- 07/27/17 08:53 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Wow. That video was amazing.

They are allowed to transfer this cancer causing garbage water all over the place without any placards! How would you like that rig wiping out in front of your home and dumping tons of contaminated water.

An un-permitted pilot program!

The NYS DEC is supposed to be looking out for the people of NY. Sounds like they are more interested in looking out to see how fat they can make their wallets than protecting the interests of NYS residents.

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#1502507 --- 07/27/17 08:55 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Ghosts]
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Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Why would anyone pick a name like gassy to post on here?


The name fits. He and his twin, scwoodchuck, seem to relish breathing the air of millions of tons of other people's malodorous garbage. Right, gasman?


He says he has nothing to do with the dump industry but nobody can possibly like trash that much or be that incompetent to not see there is real risk of bringing in millions of pounds of trash into a beautiful area.

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#1502508 --- 07/27/17 09:03 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Ghosts]
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Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck

BUT, BUT, BUT all this time you have been saying the leachate was being dumped in the river in Endicott.
https://youtu.be/KCg9vu-O0ks


They like to spread the misery and stink around.


Amazing!

21 MILLION GALLONS of cancer causing garbage water being treated at the SF WWTP.

and SF is worried about 'illegal' sump pump hookups. What a joke!

Maybe eliminating the treatment of 21 MILLION gallons of garbage water would be a better start.

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#1502509 --- 07/27/17 10:47 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.
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#1502512 --- 07/27/17 12:26 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.

When can I see you drink a glass of this 'almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water' garbage water from Stank Meadows???

This must be the dump Kool-Aid everyone refers to! laugh

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#1502513 --- 07/27/17 01:29 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.

Meaningless point considering that toxicity levels can be measured in parts-per-BILLION. People have a convenient choice of not buying bottled water if they so choose.
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#1502517 --- 07/27/17 03:04 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.


Why did you ignored the following challenge back in Nov. 2016?

If it's not toxic and so safe, why didn't Kyle Black accept Brad Jones' challenge to drink the treated leachate for 30 days? For that matter, why don't you, your various identities, the local DEC guy, and your dump supporting buddies take him up on that challenge? If you survive without any ill effects for a year, that might change a few minds.
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#1502520 --- 07/27/17 04:01 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.

Meaningless point considering that toxicity levels can be measured in parts-per-BILLION. People have a convenient choice of not buying bottled water if they so choose.
the treated leachate is tested in PARTS PER BILLION crazy


Edited by Hello_Governer (07/27/17 04:02 PM)
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#1502521 --- 07/27/17 04:13 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Wow. That video was amazing.

They are allowed to transfer this cancer causing garbage water all over the place without any placards! How would you like that rig wiping out in front of your home and dumping tons of contaminated water.

An un-permitted pilot program!

The NYS DEC is supposed to be looking out for the people of NY. Sounds like they are more interested in looking out to see how fat they can make their wallets than protecting the interests of NYS residents.
You have no proof of anyone ever getting cancer. The DEC conducted a pilot program without a DEC permit ? Hurry call the DEC and report it !!!! crazy
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#1502522 --- 07/27/17 04:17 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Ghosts]
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Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.


Why did you ignored the following challenge back in Nov. 2016?

If it's not toxic and so safe, why didn't Kyle Black accept Brad Jones' challenge to drink the treated leachate for 30 days? For that matter, why don't you, your various identities, the local DEC guy, and your dump supporting buddies take him up on that challenge? If you survive without any ill effects for a year, that might change a few minds.
Do you know that most Municipal water has at least a dozen toxic substances in it and usually 3 radio active elements in it ? grin


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#1502523 --- 07/27/17 04:50 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.


Why did you ignored the following challenge back in Nov. 2016?

If it's not toxic and so safe, why didn't Kyle Black accept Brad Jones' challenge to drink the treated leachate for 30 days? For that matter, why don't you, your various identities, the local DEC guy, and your dump supporting buddies take him up on that challenge? If you survive without any ill effects for a year, that might change a few minds.
Do you know that most Municipal water has at least a dozen toxic substances in it and usually 3 radio active elements in it ? grin

Yea, Yea, Yea.

Stop avoiding the question.

When are you taking the leachate/garbage water challenge??

I want to be there.

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#1502524 --- 07/27/17 05:52 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.


Why did you ignored the following challenge back in Nov. 2016?

If it's not toxic and so safe, why didn't Kyle Black accept Brad Jones' challenge to drink the treated leachate for 30 days? For that matter, why don't you, your various identities, the local DEC guy, and your dump supporting buddies take him up on that challenge? If you survive without any ill effects for a year, that might change a few minds.
Do you know that most Municipal water has at least a dozen toxic substances in it and usually 3 radio active elements in it ? grin

Yea, Yea, Yea.

Stop avoiding the question.

When are you taking the leachate/garbage water challenge??

I want to be there.
If you can get it I will drink it.
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#1502527 --- 07/27/17 08:02 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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#1502529 --- 07/27/17 09:56 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Ghosts]
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Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
Thank you, but do you know what pretreated concentrate from reverse osmosis is ? It is almost 99.9% pure water, cleaner than your drinking water, or about the same as your bottled water.


Why did you ignored the following challenge back in Nov. 2016?

If it's not toxic and so safe, why didn't Kyle Black accept Brad Jones' challenge to drink the treated leachate for 30 days? For that matter, why don't you, your various identities, the local DEC guy, and your dump supporting buddies take him up on that challenge? If you survive without any ill effects for a year, that might change a few minds.
NOT YOURS!

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#1502530 --- 07/27/17 10:01 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Ghosts]
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Originally Posted By: Ghosts
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Why would anyone pick a name like gassy to post on here?


The name fits. He and his twin, scwoodchuck, seem to relish breathing the air of millions of tons of other people's malodorous garbage. Right, gasman?

Not really! I see garbage much differently than you do! I see it as a commodity and you don't plus you blurt out all these accusations which you have no proof of any of it!

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#1502533 --- 07/27/17 10:58 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
the treated leachate is tested in PARTS PER BILLION crazy

MORE than ample to contain levels of agents significantly toxic to humans and animals.
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#1502537 --- 07/28/17 05:46 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
the treated leachate is tested in PARTS PER BILLION crazy

MORE than ample to contain levels of agents significantly toxic to humans and animals.
If that were true we would all be dead. The human body has developed ways of dealing with it.

https://www.liverdoctor.com/liver/the-liver-and-detoxification/


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/28/17 06:06 AM)
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#1502540 --- 07/28/17 08:44 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
THIS IS WHAT'S IN YOUR WATER;
Chlorine
Fluoride
Pesticides
Fertilizers
Heavy metals
Petrochemicals
Dioxins
Radioactive Materials
Microorganisms

HAVE A NICE DAY grin
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#1502548 --- 07/28/17 12:41 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
the treated leachate is tested in PARTS PER BILLION crazy

MORE than ample to contain levels of agents significantly toxic to humans and animals.
If that were true we would all be dead. The human body has developed ways of dealing with it.

https://www.liverdoctor.com/liver/the-liver-and-detoxification/

"Dr." Sandra Cabot is a notorious, proven fraud and you're an idiot if you believe her psuedoscientific quackery.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/drtrademark.htm
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#1502565 --- 07/28/17 05:32 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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:-P
http://www.liver.ca/liver-health/how-liver-works.aspx

Gee bimbo, this kinda says the same thing :-P
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#1502566 --- 07/28/17 05:34 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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#1502572 --- 07/28/17 08:01 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

"Dr." Sandra Cabot is a notorious, proven fraud and you're an idiot if you believe her psuedoscientific quackery.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/drtrademark.htm
OH, you mean like Dr. David O. Carpenter grin
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#1503597 --- 08/18/17 06:50 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Festus]
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http://fingerlakes1.com/2017/08/17/letter-blasts-dec-amid-permit-renewal-consideration/

The letter that Zamaelis wrote hits the nail on the head. At the end of the letter he points out a number of infractions that other companies have received for less severe violations by the DEC. Stank Meadows smells up a whole county and interferes with thousands of people's quality of life (for a good portion of the year and a majority of the day). Yet, the DEC turns their heads like nothing is happening and citizens are being affected. Maybe if the DEC wasn't so corrupt the citizens of Seneca County might be able to get represented by the people that are supposed to look out for their environment.

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#1503604 --- 08/18/17 09:21 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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For one a lawyer is not under oath and can say anything he wants. That doesn't mean that it's true,much like you're doing now.
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#1503605 --- 08/18/17 11:30 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
For one a lawyer is not under oath and can say anything he wants. That doesn't mean that it's true,much like you're doing now.

I knew you would disagree. The sky could be blue and 100 people would say it's blue but you would be the only one to say it's red.

Did you even bother reading the letter?

Any educated response as to why the DEC handed out fines to businesses for offenses that were less than the violations from Stank Meadows??

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#1503624 --- 08/19/17 05:41 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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So what you imply is that the DEC person who monitors SMI daily is asleep at the wheel an a lawyer hired by Waterloo Container is not exaggerating the issue for money. Looking at this objectively I'd say the DEC doesn't believe a word that lawyer is saying and I wouldn't either.


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#1503643 --- 08/19/17 09:14 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Hello_Governer]
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So what you imply is that the DEC person who monitors SMI daily is asleep at the wheel an a lawyer hired by Waterloo Container is not exaggerating the issue for money. Looking at this objectively I'd say the DEC doesn't believe a word that lawyer is saying and I wouldn't either.
I used to be in a job where we were routinely inspected by the DEC. They used to tell us all the time they don't give credence to activists much because 99.9% of what they say is BS!

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#1503690 --- 08/20/17 02:29 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
I used to be in a job where we were routinely inspected by the DEC.
Did they give you a mental exam?

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#1503701 --- 08/20/17 06:59 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
I used to be in a job where we were routinely inspected by the DEC.
Did they give you a mental exam?
After the DEC public hearing it's obvious that there are a lot of people in Seneca Falls that could use a mental exam.
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#1503720 --- 08/20/17 05:15 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Embarrassing but true.

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#1503723 --- 08/20/17 06:07 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
I used to be in a job where we were routinely inspected by the DEC.
Did they give you a mental exam?
Is that the pot calling the kettle black!

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#1503789 --- 08/21/17 07:56 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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That's what you get when Kyle is losing. Kyle can't possibly come up with a reasonable response so there has to be something wrong with you.
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#1503828 --- 08/21/17 12:59 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuc
k]That's what you get when Kyle is losing. Kyle can't possibly come up with a reasonable response so there has to be something wrong with you.
This is what he said:

Quote:
I used to be in a job where we were routinely inspected by the DEC.

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#1503900 --- 08/22/17 05:09 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Kyle seems to be avoiding the fact that there is a DEC monitor as SMI everyday. crazy
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#1503901 --- 08/22/17 05:12 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: hearallseeall]
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Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
For one a lawyer is not under oath and can say anything he wants. That doesn't mean that it's true,much like you're doing now.

I knew you would disagree. The sky could be blue and 100 people would say it's blue but you would be the only one to say it's red.

Did you even bother reading the letter?

Any educated response as to why the DEC handed out fines to businesses for offenses that were less than the violations from Stank Meadows??
then how come the sky is invisible from space ?
https://goo.gl/images/KLo1FY


Edited by Hello_Governer (08/22/17 05:16 PM)
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