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#1501074 --- 07/08/17 11:48 AM Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia
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#1501076 --- 07/08/17 01:47 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Festus]
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http://m.thesundaily.my/news/1686458

Landfills is the way forward for Malaysia, says Abdul Rahman Dahlan
Posted on 4 February 2016 - 04:48pm


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/08/17 01:48 PM)
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#1501126 --- 07/09/17 07:26 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/landfills-can-be-nightmares-nurul-ashikin

JULY 4 Nurul AshikinMost people never heard about Seneca Meadows Landfill. It is in the United States of America. Most importantly, it serves the City of New York as in taking the trash from the Big Apple.

Before Malaysians become all excited about landfills here in our country, they should consider the 275 feet of waste the residents over in Seneca County deal with daily. The situation is not great as the waste releases a stench so powerful it makes those not used to it throw up. Literally have everything come out of you. Those living there have learned to live with it, I don’t know whether I want to live there or in any place in Malaysia with landfills. And if incinerators are not approved for Kepong, then it will stink even more, and I pity the Malaysians who have to live next to a landfill.

Some people have said the Bukit Tagar landfill is the best, and we have no need to worry about incinerators. Berjaya is a public listed company and has commercial priorities. So, I am not quickly going to agree with some people saying there is zero-problem in Bukit Tagar, which is why there is no need for any incinerator.

Populations grow, and garbage will increase with the people, even with recycling.

Better recycling will give us less waste, but the waste remaining meaning the waste which cannot be recycled.

So a choice must be made, to send to a large landfill or incinerate. Landfills will always be large and produce methane, and are risks to waterways. The drinking water can be compromised. Incinerators will have regulatory issues too, but if strictly enforced they do not take up too much space or produce methane.

Transportation to landfills is cost hole over time. If now it is 50km away from the city, when there is more housing and development, any possible incinerator will be further away. What will a landfill 100km away from Kuala Lumpur cost the city?

Bukit Tagar costs RM49 per ton, clearing up to 3000 tons a day. Beringin is RM32 per ton for up to 2500 tons daily. Those places require up to RM145,000 a day to clear the trash into the landfill. So being scared of the cost of incinerators which will be in the millions ignores if the landfill charge is calculated for the long term, it will also be high.

Studying in the US, there was not that much stigma attached to incinerators. Friends joke about how social science students will only get jobs at the incinerator because what is the point of a history degree. But a large landfill is no joke.

I was scarred looking at pictures of landfills in countries like Philippines and Indonesia. Of course the modern landfill is not like those places, but to imagine landfills as perfect solutions is very short-sighted.

Telling people that it’s OK to die from stabbing rather than a shooting is kinda like informing people that death is not a problem, just the manner. Which is how trash is. Recycling is great, but this thinking that landfill is equivalent to recycling is dangerous.

I don’t want people to live in a Malaysian version of Seneca County.

This is exactly why New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has promised to end landfills, even while supporting recycling. He wants to make New York City meet a “zero waste to landfills” goal by 2030.

Let’s keep the support for recycling go on. But after that, we still have to choose a method. It is wrong to package recycling and landfills as complementary. Only thing complementary to recycling, are reducing and reuse, the other parts of 3R

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#1501127 --- 07/09/17 07:30 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/what-you-think/article/landfills-can-be-nightmares-nurul-ashikin

Populations grow, and garbage will increase with the people, even with recycling.

http://www.npg.org/

Negative Population Growth, Inc. (NPG) is a national nonprofit membership organization. It was founded in 1972 to educate the American public and political leaders about the devastating effects of overpopulation on our environment, resources and standard of living. We believe that our nation is already vastly overpopulated in terms of the long-range carrying capacity of its resources and environment.


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#1501133 --- 07/09/17 09:48 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Garbage processing Kyle!

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#1501241 --- 07/10/17 03:14 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Garbage processing Kyle!
You are processing garbage? grin

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#1501246 --- 07/10/17 07:30 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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So much garbage

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2017/07/10/earth-faces-sixth-mass-extinction/465655001/

During the past 500 million years, there were five "mass extinctions" during which many species rapidly died.

Now scientists say we've entered a sixth mass extinction, and humans are the primary cause, according to a new study.

“This is the case of a biological annihilation occurring globally,” said co-author Rodolfo Dirzo, a professor of biology at Stanford University.

Previous mass extinctions were due to natural climate changes, huge volcanic eruptions or catastrophic meteor strikes. But this one is due to human activities such as deforestation, overpopulation, pollution, poaching and extreme weather events tied to man-caused global warming, the study said.

"The massive loss of populations and species reflects our lack of empathy to all the wild species that have been our companions since our origins," said the new study's lead author, Gerardo Ceballos of the National Autonomous University of Mexico. "It is a prelude to the disappearance of many more species and the decline of natural systems that make civilization possible."

The study suggests that as much as 50% of the number of animal individuals that once shared Earth have disappeared. Researchers determined that billions of mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibian populations have been lost worldwide.

This amounts to "a massive erosion of the greatest biological diversity in the history of Earth," the authors said.

Particularly hard hit have been the mammals of south and southeast Asia, where all the large-bodied species of mammals analyzed lost more than 80% of their geographic ranges.

Even if it's far from extinction, a species in decline can cause "cascading effects on vegetation and habitat" in ecological networks that depend on balance between animals, plants and microorganisms, scientist Robin Naidoo of the World Wildlife Fund told CBS News.

At the conclusion of the study, the authors write that "the resulting biological annihilation obviously will have serious ecological, economic and social consequences. Humanity will eventually pay a very high price for the decimation of the only assemblage of life that we know of in the universe.”

"All signs point to ever more powerful assaults on biodiversity in the next two decades, painting a dismal picture of the future of life, including human life," the researchers said.

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#1501253 --- 07/10/17 09:56 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Garbage processing Kyle!
You are processing garbage? grin
Obviously you have no clue which isn't unexpected!

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#1501254 --- 07/10/17 09:57 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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So much garbage

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2017/07/10/earth-faces-sixth-mass-extinction/465655001/

During the past 500 million years, there were five "mass extinctions" during which many species rapidly died.

Now scientists say we've entered a sixth mass extinction, and humans are the primary cause, according to a new study.

“This is the case of a biological annihilation occurring globally,” said co-author Rodolfo Dirzo, a professor of biology at Stanford University.

Previous mass extinctions were due to natural climate changes, huge volcanic eruptions or catastrophic meteor strikes. But this one is due to human activities such as deforestation, overpopulation, pollution, poaching and extreme weather events tied to man-caused global warming, the study said.

"The massive loss of populations and species reflects our lack of empathy to all the wild species that have been our companions since our origins," said the new study's lead author, Gerardo Ceballos of the National Autonomous University of Mexico. "It is a prelude to the disappearance of many more species and the decline of natural systems that make civilization possible."

The study suggests that as much as 50% of the number of animal individuals that once shared Earth have disappeared. Researchers determined that billions of mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibian populations have been lost worldwide.

This amounts to "a massive erosion of the greatest biological diversity in the history of Earth," the authors said.

Particularly hard hit have been the mammals of south and southeast Asia, where all the large-bodied species of mammals analyzed lost more than 80% of their geographic ranges.

Even if it's far from extinction, a species in decline can cause "cascading effects on vegetation and habitat" in ecological networks that depend on balance between animals, plants and microorganisms, scientist Robin Naidoo of the World Wildlife Fund told CBS News.

At the conclusion of the study, the authors write that "the resulting biological annihilation obviously will have serious ecological, economic and social consequences. Humanity will eventually pay a very high price for the decimation of the only assemblage of life that we know of in the universe.”

"All signs point to ever more powerful assaults on biodiversity in the next two decades, painting a dismal picture of the future of life, including human life," the researchers said.
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!

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#1501267 --- 07/11/17 12:31 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.

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#1501268 --- 07/11/17 12:32 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2017/07/10/earth-faces-sixth-mass-extinction/465655001/

Now scientists say we've entered a sixth mass extinction, and humans are the primary cause, according to a new study.

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#1501269 --- 07/11/17 06:59 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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AND the number one human activity causing this, AGRICULTURE.
SAVE THE PLANET, EAT PEOPLE crazy
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#1501271 --- 07/11/17 07:34 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.
Not facts they are theories! Which are about as good as some of yours! LOL!

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#1501282 --- 07/11/17 08:37 AM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/the-mystery-of-easter-island-151285298/
"In his book Collapse, Jared Diamond refers to the Rapanui's environmental degradation as "ecocide" and points to the civilization's demise as a model of what can happen if human appetites go unchecked "
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#1501311 --- 07/11/17 08:07 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: scwoodchuck]
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Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
AND the number one human activity causing this, AGRICULTURE.

Uh, No.

The IUCN Red List now includes 77,340 species that were assessed for extinction risk, of which 22,784 are threatened. Loss and degradation of habitat was identified as the main threat to 85 percent of all species on the list, with illegal trade and invasive species as other key drivers of population decline.
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#1501312 --- 07/11/17 08:09 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.
Not facts they are theories! Which are about as good as some of yours! LOL!

You must be laughing at your own lack of knowledge. Make no mistake, scientific theories can most assuredly be FACT. To suggest otherwise only confirms an abject ignorance of science and the scientific process.

Read and Learn:

https://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html
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#1501314 --- 07/11/17 08:22 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Here we go with the DOOM & GLOOM!
What you call doom and gloom millions of highly educated scientists call facts. Human existence on this planet may not end with a big bang but with a whimper.
Not facts they are theories! Which are about as good as some of yours! LOL!

You must be laughing at your own lack of knowledge. Make no mistake, scientific theories can most assuredly be FACT. To suggest otherwise only confirms an abject ignorance of science and the scientific process.

Read and Learn:

https://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html
You are so full of crap bimbo! If you put ten scientists in a room and give them all the same data you are going to get ten different interpretations of the same data!

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#1501319 --- 07/11/17 08:36 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
AND the number one human activity causing this, AGRICULTURE.

Uh, No.

The IUCN Red List now includes 77,340 species that were assessed for extinction risk, of which 22,784 are threatened. Loss and degradation of habitat was identified as the main threat to 85 percent of all species on the list, with illegal trade and invasive species as other key drivers of population decline.
What is the one human activity that causes degradation of habitat more than any other ? Unless you consider corn and soy bean fields habitat, it would be agriculture.
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#1501321 --- 07/11/17 08:40 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: gassy one]
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Gassy, my theory is timbo is really a chimpanzee.

https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Habitat-Loss.aspx

What are the main drivers of habitat loss in the U.S.?


Agriculture: Much of the habitat loss from agriculture was done long ago when settlers converted forests and prairies to cropland. Today, there is increasing pressure to redevelop conservation lands for high-priced food and biofuel crops.
Land conversion for development: The conversion of lands that once provided wildlife habitat to housing developments, roads, office parks, strip malls, parking lots and industrial sites continues, even during the current economic crisis.
Water development: Dams and other water diversions siphon off and disconnect waters, changing hydrology and water chemistry (when nutrients are not able to flow downstream). During the dry season, the Colorado River has little to no water in it by the time it reaches the Sea of Cortez.


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/11/17 08:47 PM)
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#1501328 --- 07/11/17 09:22 PM Re: Seneca Meadows used as bad example in Malaysia [Re: Timbo]
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http://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/1027/1052055/Regional_Updates/update30.htm

" Significant improvement in the quality of U.S. waters since enactment of the Clean Water Act has been due mainly to reductions in point-source pollution from industrial and municipal sources. Agricultural contamination of waters remains a major source of water pollution. Estimates by the US Environmental Protection Agency indicate that agriculture is the leading source of pollution of the nation's rivers, lakes, and wetlands, and among the leading sources of pollution of estuaries. The status of groundwaters is not as well known as that of surface waters. However, when groundwater pollution has been found, agriculture is most often cited as the source."


Edited by scwoodchuck (07/11/17 09:24 PM)
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