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#1498313 --- 05/03/17 12:56 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: newsman38]
bluezone Offline
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Originally Posted By: newsman38
The agreement between the state and the Senecas ó a Western New York tribe ó provided the state with a percentage


thought the 'tribe' could not make 'agreements' with NYS without the feds holding the 'tribes' hand?

is that not what the 'tribes' claimed with the false land claims?

there are no federal 'reservations' in NYS

congress gave US citizenship to 'tribal members' in 1924

there is not any clause in the US Constitution stating a US citizen can form a 'nation'
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#1498322 --- 05/03/17 07:03 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: newsman38
The agreement between the state and the Senecas ó a Western New York tribe ó provided the state with a percentage


thought the 'tribe' could not make 'agreements' with NYS without the feds holding the 'tribes' hand?

is that not what the 'tribes' claimed with the false land claims?

there are no federal 'reservations' in NYS

congress gave US citizenship to 'tribal members' in 1924

there is not any clause in the US Constitution stating a US citizen can form a 'nation'
That makes sense to me.

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#1498401 --- 05/06/17 09:50 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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On April 26, 2017 UCE filed a Petition for Certiorari with the United States Supreme Court seeking review of the decision of the United States Court of Appeal's decision in Upstate Citizens for Equal., Inc. v. United States at 841 F.3d 556 (2d Cir. 2016). The Supreme Court docket on our petition is available at: Supreme Court Docket

The petition presents the following questions:

1. Can Congress in the exercise of its Article 1 powers infringe, reduce or diminish the territorial integrity of a State without its prior consent?

2. Does Congress possess plenary power over Indian affairs and if so does it expand the Indian Commerce Clause to authorize the displacement of State rights to territorial integrity?

3. Does the land acquisition in this case via the mechanism of 25 USC ß 465 (now 25 USC ß 5108), represent a violation of the limits inherently expressed in the Indian Commerce Clause that limit Congressí power to Ďregulateí Ďcommerce?í

4. Does the 300,000-acre ancient Oneida Indian reservation in New York still exist?




Edited by dwarren (05/06/17 09:52 AM)

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#1498656 --- 05/12/17 02:28 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: dwarren]
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Awww... and just when I was starting to miss "ol' what's-his-name".grin
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#1498668 --- 05/12/17 06:10 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Awww... and just when I was starting to miss "ol' what's-his-name".grin

Hehehe. cool
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#1500526 --- 06/27/17 12:58 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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https://daplpipelinefacts.com/
The Dakota Access Pipeline flows thanks to President Trump


http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article156554199.html
Tribal Casino Closes

Feds order Nooksack Tribe to close its last remaining casino. It did so Friday
By Kie Relyea
krelyea@bhamherald.com

The Nooksack Indian Tribe closed its Northwood Casino Friday Ė one day after the National Indian Gaming Commission ordered it to immediately do so over alleged violations.
The casino closed at 6 p.m., according to its website, and will stay closed until further notice.


Another good case accepted by SCOTUS
CERTIORARI GRANTED 16-498 PATCHAK, DAVID V. ZINKE, SEC. OF INTERIOR, ET AL. The motion of Federal Courts Scholars for leave to file a brief as amici curiae is granted. The petition for a writ of certiorari is granted limited to Question 1 presented by the petition.
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#1500551 --- 06/27/17 09:17 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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There you go, puttin' the preverbal cart before the horse... again.

"U.S. District Judge James Boasberg ruled that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which permitted the pipeline, didnít adequately consider how an oil spill might affect the tribe. He ordered the agency to reconsider parts of its environmental analysis." whistle

Judge: Dakota Access Pipeline needs further environmental review:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.b6b4528c826a

A swing and a miss, straight out of the gate upon your return, eh, Richie?
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#1500552 --- 06/27/17 09:24 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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The Company Behind the Dakota Access Pipeline Has Another BIG Problem in Ohio whistle

"Energy Transfer Partners LP is making a mess of its biggest project since the Dakota Access pipeline.

Construction of the $4.2 billion Rover natural gas line has caused seven industrial spills, polluted fragile Ohio wetlands and angered local farmers. The company owes $1.5 million in restitution after demolishing an historic house. The Ohio Environmental Protection Agency is furious and a federal energy regulator has launched a rare public investigation that threatens to delay the pipelineís scheduled Nov. 1 completion.

ďWeíve not seen a project in Ohio with spills at this size and scale, and if we canít even trust Rover to construct this pipeline, how can we trust them to operate it when itís complete?Ē said Heather Taylor-Miesle, executive director of the Ohio Environmental Council."


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ipeline-in-ohio
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#1500562 --- 06/27/17 10:24 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Not at all - I said it flowed I didnít say it was complete. ďDakota Access Pipeline began commercial service June 1, 2017, transporting crude oil from the Bakken/Three Forks production areas in North Dakota to a storage and terminalling hub outside Pakota, Illinois.Ē
But I understand you canít connect a dot to itself.

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#1500563 --- 06/28/17 01:30 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Not at all - I said it flowed I didnít say it was complete. ďDakota Access Pipeline began commercial service June 1, 2017, transporting crude oil from the Bakken/Three Forks production areas in North Dakota to a storage and terminalling hub outside Pakota, Illinois.Ē
But I understand you canít connect a dot to itself.

See what I mean? Just like like always... shootin' yer wad prematurely without even looking' at what yer shootin' at, then missin' the mark by a country mile.

Consider those connections.

Welcome Back! grin
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#1500652 --- 06/29/17 08:54 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://fox11online.com/news/local/green-bay/wis-oneidas-file-suit-in-case-with-ny-oneidas
WS Oneidas sue NY Oneidas trying to prevent NY Oneida from registering the name Oneida as a trademark. Racist Ray has spent hundreds of millions to try and eliminate the term Redskins as a registered trademark. Now he is trying to register the name Oneida as a Trademark which could give his dissident faction of the WS Oneida tribe claim to the name.

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#1500653 --- 06/29/17 08:56 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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http://theindigenousamerican.com/2017/03...he-middle-east/

DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East.

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#1500656 --- 06/29/17 09:13 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Whoa cowboy. Not so fast there 'Patches'...

"People think that thereís a DNA test that can prove if somebody is Native American or not. There isnít."

ĎThere is no DNA test to prove youíre Native Americaní

Read on: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2...ative-american/[/size]

A DNA Test Wonít Explain Elizabeth Warrenís Ancestry
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology...h_warren_s.html
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#1500680 --- 06/30/17 09:49 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Teonan]
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No doubt Kim has written a book on her views and she may well be an anthropologist but her obvious goal in life is to dispel the obvious that NAís migrated here from somewhere else. Her frustrations sorting out differences between culture, politics, tribalism and DNA show the article, and no doubt her book, to be nothing less than an opinion piece. Thatís what happens when one tries to decide a conclusion based on rationale as opposed to science. She accepts DNA testing for parents because thatís what her tribe did. The only thing she makes clear is that sheís frustrated and confused. Undoubtedly you have the same frustrated and confused opinion based on the same lack of evidence.

Thatís a similar issue to Timboís argument that thereís no such thing as blood quantum although Kim accepts the tribal membership requirement of being one quarter (25%).

The Elizabeth Warren article appears logical even though itís compiled by groups trying to dispel the same conclusion. Their main argument is the same as Kimís being that people move and intermarry and claim that DNA may or may not include everything. Groups making money off DNA testing are generalized and their percentages may be general but even the articles agree on a personís DNA being similar to those in a different part of the world.

Pocahontas may not be able to prove she is descended from Cherokee or any other tribe through DNA. But DNA doesnít test for tribalism. Tribes have formed and divided many times throughout history and in this country they are recognized (or not) as political entities.

Some of my relatives knowing what their genealogy is through records have used ancestry.com DNA just to see if they agree and they did.

The only thing proven is that you and others disagree with the link article I posted. I donít care.

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#1500683 --- 06/30/17 10:27 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
No doubt Kim has written a book on her views and she may well be an anthropologist but her obvious goal in life is to dispel the obvious that NAís migrated here from somewhere else. Her frustrations sorting out differences between culture, politics, tribalism and DNA show the article, and no doubt her book, to be nothing less than an opinion piece. Thatís what happens when one tries to decide a conclusion based on rationale as opposed to science. She accepts DNA testing for parents because thatís what her tribe did. The only thing she makes clear is that sheís frustrated and confused. Undoubtedly you have the same frustrated and confused opinion based on the same lack of evidence.

Thatís a similar issue to Timboís argument that thereís no such thing as blood quantum although Kim accepts the tribal membership requirement of being one quarter (25%).

The Elizabeth Warren article appears logical even though itís compiled by groups trying to dispel the same conclusion. Their main argument is the same as Kimís being that people move and intermarry and claim that DNA may or may not include everything. Groups making money off DNA testing are generalized and their percentages may be general but even the articles agree on a personís DNA being similar to those in a different part of the world.

Pocahontas may not be able to prove she is descended from Cherokee or any other tribe through DNA. But DNA doesnít test for tribalism. Tribes have formed and divided many times throughout history and in this country they are recognized (or not) as political entities.

Some of my relatives knowing what their genealogy is through records have used ancestry.com DNA just to see if they agree and they did.

The only thing proven is that you and others disagree with the link article I posted. I donít care.

As usual this post too is pure blather. Illustrated by the fact that I never once made such a clearly idiotic statement. What I've said is that the practice of applying a theoretical 'blood quantum' is meaningless psuedoscience. Not to mention the fact that the whole premise used as the foundation of your entire argument used here and in most of your political 'race'-based biases is historically and scientifically false since everyone came from somewhere at some point. The same thing goes for tribalism regardless of who "recognizes" it, or not.

You willfully subsist in a complete vacuum of any true scientific knowledge, yet, all-the-while, burble on using hopelessly inaccurate "science-y" Jibber Jabber in a futile attempt to suggest credibility of the absurd, which therefore warrants any and all derision.

For God's sake... you don't even understand the fundamentals of DNA testing and what it can and can NOT do.

Really, Junior, if you're going to make an argument for or against something, at least take the time to flesh-out the gross contradictions and inaccuracies. Less the dots be connected and you just wind up looking like a complete tool.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2...ative-american/
http://www.hcn.org/issues/41.2/blood-quantum-myth
http://www.weyanoke.org/reading/jdf-BloodQuantum.html
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#1500729 --- 06/30/17 05:23 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Donít be scared little Timmy, the DNA in your police file is confidential. They wonít tell who your ancestors are.

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#1500780 --- 07/02/17 01:49 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Donít be scared little Timmy, the DNA in your police file is confidential. They wonít tell who your ancestors are.
Nuh-uh.
You got the wrong guy. I'm squeaky clean and fully bonded.

Time for a new hat, Bullwinkle.
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#1500805 --- 07/02/17 10:29 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Donít be scared little Timmy, the DNA in your police file is confidential. They wonít tell who your ancestors are.
Nuh-uh.
You got the wrong guy. I'm squeaky clean and fully bonded.

Time for a new hat, Bullwinkle.


You'd think "Patches" would be more concerned with paying off his trail of old bar tabs. Go figure.
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#1500806 --- 07/02/17 10:39 AM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Teonan]
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Uh, one needs a soul to have a conscience.
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#1500809 --- 07/02/17 03:44 PM Re: Still More Tribal News [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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https://www.law360.com/articles/939800/trucker-beats-1-3m-fine-over-unstamped-cigarettes-in-ny
Trucker Beats $1.3M Fine Over Unstamped Cigarettes In NY
By Jimmy Hoover
Law360, Washington (June 29, 2017, 9:04 PM EDT) -- The New York tax tribunal threw out a $1.26 million fine against a Native American truck driver who was transporting unstamped cigarettes to an Indian territory, finding the man was legally acting within the scope of his employment.

The stateís tax division had slapped the driver with the penalty after he failed to stop at a commercial vehicle checkpoint in northeast New York near the town of Peru. The trucker, 22-year-old Shawn Snyder of the Seneca Nation of Indians, had been transporting 150 cases of untaxed cigarettes.

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